My understanding is that "grand" does not feature at all in describing uncles, though, as you say, there are probably be other methods. So my grandfather's brother is my great uncle, great grandfather's brother my great great uncle etc. That's how my software (Family Historian) does it, though curiously it writes it out as eg "great x 6 great uncle" rather than "great x 7 uncle" Brian On 09/08/2010 09:07, Brian Sillett wrote: > My (Suffolk!) great grandfather's brother is my g.g.uncle. Is this great granduncle? > > My 6 x great grandfather's brother is my 7 x g. uncle. Is this 7 x granduncle? Why is it not 6 x great granduncle? > > Perhaps it depends on how the family tree software is set up and maybe UK and USA differences come in here. > > Grandfather is usually one word but granduncle is often two. > Professional genealogists have probably got this all buttoned up but I haven't! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Brian, Yes it is dependent on which Family Tree software you use. I have Legacy and you can change whether you use the word grand or great for uncles and aunts but then you get this which is just as confusing: for a 7x great uncle Legacy software will describe him as a 6th Great-Greatuncle or 6th Great-Granduncle.....grrr. I presume it is a USA term Dorri > From: brian.sillett010@btinternet.com > To: suffolk@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:07:09 +0100 > Subject: [SFK-UK] relation terminology > > My (Suffolk!) great grandfather's brother is my g.g.uncle. Is this great granduncle? > > My 6 x great grandfather's brother is my 7 x g. uncle. Is this 7 x granduncle? Why is it not 6 x great granduncle? > > Perhaps it depends on how the family tree software is set up and maybe UK and USA differences come in here. > > Grandfather is usually one word but granduncle is often two. > Professional genealogists have probably got this all buttoned up but I haven't! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Brian I have never come across anyone in the UK using the term Grand in any relationship but Grandfather or Grandmother, never Uncle or Aunt Some years ago whenever I came across this expression "grand uncle" it really grated on my ears however when I looked into it I found it was an English usage that was exported to the colonies and then fell out of use here Much of the available family tree software is written in America for Americans, hence the Grand Uncle etc I find the majority who use Grand Uncle or Aunt are of US origin, a few from Australia / New Zealand / Canada So its just terminology that means the same thing in different places Grand Uncle = Great Uncle Great Grand Uncle = Great Great Uncle It still doesn't sound right to my ears :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > My (Suffolk!) great grandfather's brother is my g.g.uncle. Is this great > granduncle? > > My 6 x great grandfather's brother is my 7 x g. uncle. Is this 7 x > granduncle? Why is it not 6 x great granduncle? > > Perhaps it depends on how the family tree software is set up and maybe UK > and USA differences come in here. > > Grandfather is usually one word but granduncle is often two. > Professional genealogists have probably got this all buttoned up but I > haven't!

My (Suffolk!) great grandfather's brother is my g.g.uncle. Is this great granduncle? My 6 x great grandfather's brother is my 7 x g. uncle. Is this 7 x granduncle? Why is it not 6 x great granduncle? Perhaps it depends on how the family tree software is set up and maybe UK and USA differences come in here. Grandfather is usually one word but granduncle is often two. Professional genealogists have probably got this all buttoned up but I haven't!

I wonder if we looked at the 1966 street directory for Ipswich if we could trace where he lived. If i get a chance I will drop in the record office and see if I can find him. Ken There is a possible death for Bertram in Ipswich in 1966. The entry reads: Name: Bertran A Wearing Death Registration Month/Year: 1966 Age at death (estimated): 64 Registration district: Ipswich Inferred County: Suffolk Volume: 4b Page: 1141 That is probably a good match for it is an unusual name and the age is correct. I would like to know if anyone has any information about Bertram in Suffolk, as none of my late relatives ever talked about him to me. Mike Wearing Nova Scotia, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Valerie, I found on Parish Records. John Fisher married on the 8th November 1821 Mary Ann DRYDEN at St Mary Stoke, Ipswich, Suffolk. I went all through the Parish records covering 5 years before and after the date you gave, and this was the only Mary Ann. Hope this helps you. regards, Mavis from Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Bowden" <valerie@richardscott.co.uk> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:19 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] More Fishers > I have two Fisher brothers who travelled from Hampshire to Norfolk/Suffolk > area, presumably to find work. They were John FISHER 1775 who married Mary > Ann Unknown from Wingfield, Suffolk in around 1818 and Thomas FISHER 1790 > who married Elizabeth Oakes in Thorpe Abbots, Norfolk 6 July 1819. > > Both brothers subsequently returned to Hampshire with their brides. > > Would love to have the details of John's marriage to find out who Mary Ann > might have been. > > Valerie > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Peter, You helped me find parents of George James FISHER family. It seems G.J. born at Redenhall & Harleston was because his father was an Inn Keeper at that time of his birth at that place, prior to that, the family came from Woolpit, and next census 1881 was in Ipswich. Interestingly his father George b 1837 had 3 wives Eliza Borley,md. 1857, Margaret Hill md. 1870 and Sarah Ann Thomas md .1897 Re Robert and Louise another interest was that Louise Fisher was with son George Fisher in 1841 with her parents the Burroughs family, I then found Robert Fisher in 1841 at Gaol and House of Correction, St Mary, Bury St Edmunds. Thereafter until his death in 1892 he was a butcher in Woolpit So thank you so much for giving me names to go on, it was good that I was able to follow the family through from 1841 till 1911 Census's and Parish Records. Without that bit of info, I would never have got all of this together. Mavis from Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J Richardson" <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Fisher Family > Hello Mavis, > > Redenhall is close to my Mendham/Fressingfield Fishers, but George James > was > born 150 years after my Sarah Fisher. > > Woolpit is at the other end of the county, so my question would be whether > the move from Woolpit to Redenhall was a return to George Fisher's roots > or > not. I had a quick look on Ancestry - it looks like George's parents were > Robert and Louisa also born Woolpit. > > Regards > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mavis Dent" <mavisdent@bigpond.com> > To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:14 AM > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Fisher Family > > >> Hello Nicole, >> I have some Suffolk FISHER 's >> >> George James FISHER b.1872 at Redenhall with Harleston Suffolk >> married Emma DIXEY in 1893 at Ipswich suffolk >> >> They had Ethel 1894, Florence 1912 >> >> >> Re George James FISHER, his father was >> >> George FISHER b.1836 at Woolpit Suffolk >> his mother was Margaret HILL from Easton, Suffolk >> >> They had George James as above >> Alice b.1874 at Woolpit >> James b.1881 at Woolpit >> >> Ido not know if these areas are anywhere near the one you are looking >> for. >> Regards Mavis >> also from Australia. >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Listers, Thankyou to all those people how responded to my query regarding the FISHER family. I will have to read through them all and make notes, hopefully one will connect with the family I am researching. Thankyou again. Regards Nicole AUSTRALIA

Hi Mike Not too Common I agree BUT there are 5 listed variations of the name listed for Marriages between 1920 and 1935.Non anywhere near Suffolk though. I note baptism for 1902 June Quarter in Chipping Norton. Do you have any idea what he did for a living.  Probably best thing to do would be to get Death cert as that might give you Occupation and who registerd the death. Honor Please don't judge me on what I have achieved, but what I have overcome. Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body. Rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Wearing <mwearing@eastlink.ca> wrote: From: Mike Wearing <mwearing@eastlink.ca> Subject: [SFK-UK] Bertram Alan WEARING To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, 8 August, 2010, 13:14 Does anyone have any information on Bertram Alan WEARING? What I know is that Bertram was born at Enstone Oxfordshire 26 February 1902, the son of Jennie (Jane) WEARING. No father's name given. (I have a copy of  the birth certificate). Jane was a sister of my late grandfather. There is a possible death for Bertram in Ipswich in 1966. The entry reads: Name:   Bertran A Wearing Death Registration Month/Year:  1966 Age at death (estimated):  64 Registration district:  Ipswich Inferred County:  Suffolk Volume:  4b Page:  1141 That is probably a good match for it is an unusual name and the age is correct. I would like to know if anyone has any  information about Bertram in Suffolk, as none of my late relatives ever talked about him to me. Mike Wearing Nova Scotia, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have any information on Bertram Alan WEARING? What I know is that Bertram was born at Enstone Oxfordshire 26 February 1902, the son of Jennie (Jane) WEARING. No father's name given. (I have a copy of the birth certificate). Jane was a sister of my late grandfather. There is a possible death for Bertram in Ipswich in 1966. The entry reads: Name: Bertran A Wearing Death Registration Month/Year: 1966 Age at death (estimated): 64 Registration district: Ipswich Inferred County: Suffolk Volume: 4b Page: 1141 That is probably a good match for it is an unusual name and the age is correct. I would like to know if anyone has any information about Bertram in Suffolk, as none of my late relatives ever talked about him to me. Mike Wearing Nova Scotia, Canada

Hi,  Thanks for the information. When I get round to following up the twigs I will get back to  you. Regards Carol ----- Original Message ---- From: k.finch <k.finch@ntlworld.com> To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 7 August, 2010 7:24:17 Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Fisher Families of Kelsale. Having a one name study on the HURREN family I can confirm that Fishers feature often in marriages. Kelsale is certainly Hurren territory Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Clarke" <as41400@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: [SFK-UK] Fisher Families of Kelsale. Hi, I have a SARAH FISHER baptised 16th. May 1771 in Campsea Ashe. The daughter of JOHN FISHER and HANNAH HURREN. I have also a few other FISHER names mainly the children of THOMAS FISHER and ANNE HURREN, also of Campsea Ashe so it looks like the HURREN and FISHER families intermarried on more than one occasion. I have not done much work on these families as they are twigs on the tree and not a direct line. Campsea Ashe is about 7 miles from Kelsale. If anyone thinks the other names and dates might be of interest to them please let me know. Regards Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Marg. I have seen the reply from K. Finch and this confirms HURREN and FISHER families intermarried and that HURREN's were known in Kelsale. Regards Carol ----- Original Message ---- From: Marg Keable <mkeable@netconnect.com.au> To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 6 August, 2010 23:18:48 Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Fisher Families of Kelsale. I believe Hurren is the subject of a one name study and the person doing the study is on the list so I assume he may answer you. Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Clarke" <as41400@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:02 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Fisher Families of Kelsale. Hi, I have a SARAH FISHER baptised 16th. May 1771 in Campsea Ashe. The daughter of JOHN FISHER and HANNAH HURREN. I have also a few other FISHER names mainly the children of THOMAS FISHER and ANNE HURREN, also of Campsea Ashe so it looks like the HURREN and FISHER families intermarried on more than one occasion. I have not done much work on these families as they are twigs on the tree and not a direct line. Campsea Ashe is about 7 miles from Kelsale. If anyone thinks the other names and dates might be of interest to them please let me know. Regards Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe Hurren is the subject of a one name study and the person doing the study is on the list so I assume he may answer you. Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Clarke" <as41400@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:02 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Fisher Families of Kelsale. Hi, I have a SARAH FISHER baptised 16th. May 1771 in Campsea Ashe. The daughter of JOHN FISHER and HANNAH HURREN. I have also a few other FISHER names mainly the children of THOMAS FISHER and ANNE HURREN, also of Campsea Ashe so it looks like the HURREN and FISHER families intermarried on more than one occasion. I have not done much work on these families as they are twigs on the tree and not a direct line. Campsea Ashe is about 7 miles from Kelsale. If anyone thinks the other names and dates might be of interest to them please let me know. Regards Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe Hurren is the subject of a one name study and the person doing the study is on the list so I assume he may answer you. Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Clarke" <as41400@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:02 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Fisher Families of Kelsale. Hi, I have a SARAH FISHER baptised 16th. May 1771 in Campsea Ashe. The daughter of JOHN FISHER and HANNAH HURREN. I have also a few other FISHER names mainly the children of THOMAS FISHER and ANNE HURREN, also of Campsea Ashe so it looks like the HURREN and FISHER families intermarried on more than one occasion. I have not done much work on these families as they are twigs on the tree and not a direct line. Campsea Ashe is about 7 miles from Kelsale. If anyone thinks the other names and dates might be of interest to them please let me know. Regards Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Having a one name study on the HURREN family I can confirm that Fishers feature often in marriages. Kelsale is certainly Hurren territory Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Clarke" <as41400@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: [SFK-UK] Fisher Families of Kelsale. Hi, I have a SARAH FISHER baptised 16th. May 1771 in Campsea Ashe. The daughter of JOHN FISHER and HANNAH HURREN. I have also a few other FISHER names mainly the children of THOMAS FISHER and ANNE HURREN, also of Campsea Ashe so it looks like the HURREN and FISHER families intermarried on more than one occasion. I have not done much work on these families as they are twigs on the tree and not a direct line. Campsea Ashe is about 7 miles from Kelsale. If anyone thinks the other names and dates might be of interest to them please let me know. Regards Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Nicole, I have some Suffolk FISHER 's George James FISHER b.1872 at Redenhall with Harleston Suffolk married Emma DIXEY in 1893 at Ipswich suffolk They had Ethel 1894, Florence 1912 Re George James FISHER, his father was George FISHER b.1836 at Woolpit Suffolk his mother was Margaret HILL from Easton, Suffolk They had George James as above Alice b.1874 at Woolpit James b.1881 at Woolpit Ido not know if these areas are anywhere near the one you are looking for. Regards Mavis also from Australia. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some of the Fisher families must have been in Suffolk for a long time. Looking at the hearth taxes of the extant records for Suffolk, the following records have survived for the Fisher families for the years indicated: 1662 3 records 1663 7 records 1664 10 records 1665 4 records 1666 21 records 1667 1 record 1669 31 records 1673 15 records 1674 35 records 1675 1 record Of the above, I am only aware that the 1674 records have been published. If you are interested in finding out about these records, then have a look at the following link which gives you some more background information on this data and what is given. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/suffolk/2007-05/1179087924 If after reading the link you are interested in seeing the data, then email me off list. You mention Kelsall in your email - which is not in Suffolk. I presume that you mean Kelsale near Saxmundham. If so none of the above records are in Kelsale, but some are in nearby villages. Wishing you every success in your researches Giles Colchester, Researching COLCHESTER family, any spelling, any time, any place And PACKARD in Suffolk -----Original Message----- From: Nicole Murphy [mailto:nookmook@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 05 August 2010 05:15 To: SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Fisher Family Dear Listers, I am new to this list and was wondering if anyone is doing, or has done research for the surname FISHER? I am trying to find out any information about FISHER's from the Kelsall area from about 1800. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Nicole AUSTRALIA

Hi,  I have a SARAH FISHER baptised 16th. May 1771 in Campsea Ashe. The daughter of JOHN FISHER and HANNAH HURREN. I have also a few other FISHER names mainly the children of THOMAS FISHER and ANNE HURREN, also of Campsea Ashe so it looks like the HURREN and FISHER families intermarried on more than one occasion. I have not done much work on these families as they are twigs on the tree and not a direct line. Campsea Ashe is about 7 miles from Kelsale.  If anyone thinks the other names and dates might be of interest to them please let me know. Regards Carol

I have two Fisher brothers who travelled from Hampshire to Norfolk/Suffolk area, presumably to find work. They were John FISHER 1775 who married Mary Ann Unknown from Wingfield, Suffolk in around 1818 and Thomas FISHER 1790 who married Elizabeth Oakes in Thorpe Abbots, Norfolk 6 July 1819. Both brothers subsequently returned to Hampshire with their brides. Would love to have the details of John's marriage to find out who Mary Ann might have been. Valerie

I have some Fishers who turned into Fisher-Hobbs. Anyone else have Fisher-Hobbs in their tree?  Gill ________________________________ From: John Barbrook <john@barbrook.info> To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 5 August, 2010 20:56:44 Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Fisher Family Hi Nicole I have around 70 FISHERs in my "possibly related" list. I can't claim that they are all related but in my case those that are come predominantly from Essex, just on the south side of the river Stour - the river that divides Suffolk from Essex. My ggf moved from Essex to Suffolk (where I am) in about 1860 following the spread of the railway network into Suffolk from Essex. I can get my FISHER tree back to 1750, but with many having large families, who knows where some of them migrated to. If you look at http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/Surnames.aspx you will see that in 1998 there were around 46,000 of them in the UK, with Norfolk, the north east and north west of England particularly strong. But none of mine appear to have origins in Suffolk. But if any of yours have an Essex connection, the possibilities are endless. John  -----Original Message----- From: Nicole Murphy [mailto:nookmook@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 05 August 2010 05:15 To: SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Fisher Family Dear Listers, I am new to this list and was wondering if anyone is doing, or has done research for the surname FISHER? I am trying to find out any information about FISHER's from the Kelsall area from about 1800. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Nicole AUSTRALIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message