If this is the same man Deaths Mar 1875 STIFF Edmund 73 Stow S. 4a 413 (Drinkstone is in the Stow registration district) the age indicates a birth in 1801/2 Anne South Australia Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Ivan > > Good to hear of your success > > Now on the Edmund parentage > > The Baptism that Brian pointed out as follows > > EDMUND STIFF > Birth: 27 SEP 1801 > Christening: 05 OCT 1801 Bradfield Saint George, Suffolk, England > Father: HENRY STIFF > Mother: HANNAH NICE > C061921 1733 - 1875 0952208 Film 6900949 Film > > Is the Edmund you seek, given all evidence seen so far , as you can see it > names his parents in full, which is a bonus > > Is there a reason you think this is not your man? > > Apart from the evidence seen so far suggesting it is your man, it would > appear to be the only option > > The second marriage > > Marriages Mar 1846 > Punchard Susan Stow 12 527 > Stiff Edmund Stow 12 527 > > Should also give his fathers name > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Hi Nivard Thanks for that but that is what I have can't seem to get >> back to his father! >> You may recall a few months back that at 83 I found my wife's father and >> am >> now trying to put the tree together and just to let you know we are coming >> back to England in Sept for a reunion with her brother and sister she did >> not know she had >> >> Ivan Spain > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Nivard. You're a great guy along with Brian thanks so much for all the input you have done for me . The wife will be so please Thank you all Ivan Mondron Spain

Hi again Ivan Well perhaps I need a STIFF drink <vbg> I was going to say early on that I have a reputed STIFFE connection myself but not having researched it myself I do not accept it until I have so did not mention it A cousin of mine has researched it through so I can't vouch for it myself until I get around to this line, I believe my cousin took someone elses research for the earlier period but visited Suffolk records office for the 1792 back to 1700 period What I can say with as much certainty as I can on any line is that my g.g.g.grandmother was Sarah BLOIS b1792 Norton Suffolk (she married Robert WELLS in 1814 Norton) and are in Horringer for many years and are buried there Sarahs parents were Stephen and Sarah BLOYCE Read STIFF for STIFFE and vice versa Variations of BLOIS = BLOYCE , BLOISE etc etc =========================================== Before 1792 I have not personally checked but is as follows Sarah BLOIS b1792 parents are said to be Stephen BLOIS b1756 & Sarah CAUDELL b1765 (married 1781 Mildenhall) Stephen BLOIS b1756 his parents are Stephen BLOIS b1734 & Sarah STIFFE b1743 Rattlesdon (married 1755 Drinkstone) Sarah STIFFE b1743 parents are Daniel STIFFE b1705 & Mary HINED b1725 Daniel STIFFE b1705 Drinkstones parents are John STIFF b1672 & Sarah KING b1670 John b1672 parents were John STIFF b1635 & Elizabeth BUTALL b1635 John STIFF b1635 parents are John STIFFE b1602 & Elizabeth BUTALL b1602 John STIFFE b1602 parents are John STIFFE b1573 & Katherina or Kateryne Barton DEICKES b1577 Robert STIFF b1535 & Martha b1540 ========================= Now I have certain issues with the above Sarah BLOIS b1792 is the oldest known child , so why when they married in 1781? (possible but raises doubts in my mind) If this is the correct marriage and Sarah CAUDELLs age is correct it would make her 16 on marriage , certainly not impossible but a question all the same If Sarah STIFFs age is correct it would make her 12 when she married in 1755 and gave birth to her first that year , that I do have to question It does not take a degree in quantum physics to see that there are apparently two John STIFFs who mary the same named Elizabeth BUTALL (coincidence? I think not) But if all pans out, Sarah STIFF b1743 Rattlesdon has a brother Henry STIFF So take this at present with a large pinch of salt but perhaps food for thought You will find over 30 trees on Ancestry with the STIFF line , I would advise some caution but they may give you some clues Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard Thanks for that but that is what I have can't seem to get > back to his father! > You may recall a few months back that at 83 I found my wife's father and > am > now trying to put the tree together and just to let you know we are coming > back to England in Sept for a reunion with her brother and sister she did > not know she had > > Ivan Spain

Hi Nivard That's great thank you and am pleased for your help It will be nice when we go back to Stowmarket to show the family some of the tree which I have manage to put together with the help from the Suffolk list Thank you Ivan Mondron Spain

Hi again Ivan In the 1841 on the page which shows Edmund in Drinkstone, two doors before him are a Henry STIFF with presumed wife Susannah (no relationships are recorded so she could be a sister perhaps) with them is a William NICE, all born Suffolk Could this be Henry the father of Edmund? Possibly a second wife or sister , and the William NICE some relation of Hannah NICE ? Food for thought Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard That's great thank you and am pleased for your help > It will be nice when we go back to Stowmarket to show the family some of > the > tree which I have manage to put together with the help from the Suffolk > list > Thank you > Ivan Mondron Spain

Hi Nivard Thanks for that but that is what I have can't seem to get back to his father! You may recall a few months back that at 83 I found my wife's father and am now trying to put the tree together and just to let you know we are coming back to England in Sept for a reunion with her brother and sister she did not know she had Ivan Spain

Hi Ivan Good to hear of your success Now on the Edmund parentage The Baptism that Brian pointed out as follows EDMUND STIFF Birth: 27 SEP 1801 Christening: 05 OCT 1801 Bradfield Saint George, Suffolk, England Father: HENRY STIFF Mother: HANNAH NICE C061921 1733 - 1875 0952208 Film 6900949 Film Is the Edmund you seek, given all evidence seen so far , as you can see it names his parents in full, which is a bonus Is there a reason you think this is not your man? Apart from the evidence seen so far suggesting it is your man, it would appear to be the only option The second marriage Marriages Mar 1846 Punchard Susan Stow 12 527 Stiff Edmund Stow 12 527 Should also give his fathers name Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard Thanks for that but that is what I have can't seem to get > back to his father! > You may recall a few months back that at 83 I found my wife's father and > am > now trying to put the tree together and just to let you know we are coming > back to England in Sept for a reunion with her brother and sister she did > not know she had > > Ivan Spain

That is very interesting as I have a whole slew of Ramplin's and their relations in my tree already but not this family. I can't figure out if the two children were listed as Ramplin on the Census then how do the births show up as Granger in the BMD? This is a puzzle but you have started me on the quest. Hopefully I can figure it out. Thanks so much for your help. I may need more help to figure this out though. Bye for now. Leona Jensen --- On Mon, 8/16/10, Brian Lummis <lummis@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: Brian Lummis <lummis@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] HENRY GRANGER - b 1851 Hadleigh > To: suffolk@rootsweb.com > Received: Monday, August 16, 2010, 3:24 PM > Leona Jensen <maillist1938@yahoo.ca> > wrote: > > I have Henry (Harry) Granger on the 1881 census.  > I am unable to find > > out much more about this family in the early > years.  Have tried Free BMD, > > Family Search old and new, Free census for all years > included,most Suffolk > > listings I can think of and beyond finding a couple of > the children's > > birth information am at a loss.  Any help > gratefully accepted.  Thanks > > in advance.  Leona Jensen > > Dwelling: 18 Kemball St > > Census Place: Ipswich St Margaret, Suffolk, England > > Source: FHL Film 1341453     PRO > Ref RG11    Piece 1875    Folio 44 > > Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace > > Henry GRANGER M 30 M Hadleigh, Suffolk, England > > Rel: Head > > Occ: Boiler Maker Labr > > Hannah GRANGER M 32 F Ipswich, Suffolk, England > > Rel: Wife > > Florence GRANGER 14 F Ipswich, Suffolk, England > > Rel: Daugh > > Occ: Scholar > > Robert GRANGER 12 M Ipswich, Suffolk, England > > Rel: Son > <snip> > > Leona > > You may have started one of those great mysteries as it > would seem to be > possible that the family may well have changed their name > from RAMPLIN to > GRANGER! > > In the 1871 census (RG10/1754/96) there is a family living > at 29 Duke Street > Ipswich as follows: > > Harry RAMPLIN Head Age 21 born Hadleigh,Suffolk Labourer > Hannah RAMPLIN Wife Age 23 born Ipswich > Florence RAMPLIN Daughter Age 3 born Ipswich > Robert RAMPLIN Son Age 1 born Ipswich > > Apart from the surname all the other details fit which > makes me believe that > there has been a name change. Just to add to the mystery > there is no record > of the births of Florence and Robert RAMPLIN but FreeBMD > does give births > for Florence and Robert GRANGER in 1867 and 1869 > respectively. > > >From Free BMD there is a marriage in the Ipswich > Registration District of > Henry RAMPLIN in the September quarter of 1867 which would > tie in and there > is a candidate wife called Hannah BROWN. > > The GRANGER family are still in Kemball Street in 1891. > > The big question is why did they change their name - > assuming that they are > one and the same. Maybe one of the people on the list can > make a suggestion > for you to follow up. > > Brian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Leona Jensen <maillist1938@yahoo.ca> wrote: > I have Henry (Harry) Granger on the 1881 census. I am unable to find > out much more about this family in the early years. Have tried Free BMD, > Family Search old and new, Free census for all years included,most Suffolk > listings I can think of and beyond finding a couple of the children's > birth information am at a loss. Any help gratefully accepted. Thanks > in advance. Leona Jensen > Dwelling: 18 Kemball St > Census Place: Ipswich St Margaret, Suffolk, England > Source: FHL Film 1341453 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1875 Folio 44 > Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Henry GRANGER M 30 M Hadleigh, Suffolk, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Boiler Maker Labr > Hannah GRANGER M 32 F Ipswich, Suffolk, England > Rel: Wife > Florence GRANGER 14 F Ipswich, Suffolk, England > Rel: Daugh > Occ: Scholar > Robert GRANGER 12 M Ipswich, Suffolk, England > Rel: Son <snip> Leona You may have started one of those great mysteries as it would seem to be possible that the family may well have changed their name from RAMPLIN to GRANGER! In the 1871 census (RG10/1754/96) there is a family living at 29 Duke Street Ipswich as follows: Harry RAMPLIN Head Age 21 born Hadleigh,Suffolk Labourer Hannah RAMPLIN Wife Age 23 born Ipswich Florence RAMPLIN Daughter Age 3 born Ipswich Robert RAMPLIN Son Age 1 born Ipswich Apart from the surname all the other details fit which makes me believe that there has been a name change. Just to add to the mystery there is no record of the births of Florence and Robert RAMPLIN but FreeBMD does give births for Florence and Robert GRANGER in 1867 and 1869 respectively. >From Free BMD there is a marriage in the Ipswich Registration District of Henry RAMPLIN in the September quarter of 1867 which would tie in and there is a candidate wife called Hannah BROWN. The GRANGER family are still in Kemball Street in 1891. The big question is why did they change their name - assuming that they are one and the same. Maybe one of the people on the list can make a suggestion for you to follow up. Brian

Hi Brian Thanks for that I have Edmund 1806 born Drinkstone wife Charlotte 1811 They have 5 children Edmund Henry William Marie And Mary 1830-1838 I am trying to get back to his father and more if possible Thanks Ivan Spain

Hi again Honor A little exercise to compare the three I just picked a more unusual name at random from my family, sorry its not Suffolk Searching for a George YOELL born in Surrey no dates ================================= Familysearch IGI George YOELL Great Britain - England - Surrey Familysearch = 11 hits all Surrey ================================== Record Search Pilot George YOELL Surrey England United Kingdom Record Search Pilot = 13 hits (includes a census) =================================== fsbeta George YOELL Birth place = Surrey England Death place = Surrey England (in basic search) fsbeta = 195 hits much of which is in the USA all over the UK etc etc ??? ==================================== Now can you see my problem with fsbeta :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi Have you tried to do a search on the new Pilpt search. I only ask > because its included the info on the Old site onto the new.. and may be > faster..?? > If you use the url below it should take you straight to the search > facility and or advanced search.. Pilot not just the 'new' records but all > of them to date, as far as I know.. > > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp > > As you say lots of confusion.. > > Honor

Hi Ivan The only Edmund STIFF I can find that matches your posted data in the following in 1841 Name: Edmund Stiff Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1806 Gender: Male Where born: Suffolk, England Civil parish: Drinkstone Hundred: Thedwestry County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Stow Sub-registration district: Rattlesden Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edmund Stiff 35 Charlotte Stiff 30 Edmund Stiff 14 William Stiff 10 Maria Stiff 7 Mary Ann Stiff 3 Henry Stiff 10 Mo HO107; Piece 1036; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Drinkstone; County: Suffolk; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 6; Page: 5; Line: 16; GSU roll: 474643. If you are basing your quest on this entry you need to remember the 1841 does not record birth places (only if born in County enumerated or Not, FS = foreign parts or S = Scotland I = Ireland) Edmund & family (again presumed as relationships are not enumerated) are born in Suffolk not neccesarily Drinkstone In 1841 the ages are rounded down so Edmund could be any age 39 down to 35, Charlotte 34 down to 30 Then looking at the 1851 census there is the following in Drinkstone Name: Edmund Stiff Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1806 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Susan Gender: Male Where born: Bradfield St George, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Drinkstone County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Stow Sub-registration district: Walsham ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Edmund Stiff 45 Susan Stiff 30 Rattlesdon SFK Mary Stiff 14 Henry Stiff 12 Daniel Stiff 3 Emma Stiff 2 Harriett Punchard 9 HO107; Piece: 1794; Folio: 296; Page: 10; GSU roll: 207443. As Brian suggests this one is born in Bradfield , I would suggest he has lowered his age to shorten the age gap between he and Susan What of Charlotte ? Deaths Mar 1846 STIFF Charlotte Stow 12 279 And the Susan in 1851 (helpfully a step daughter is with them in 1851) Marriages Mar 1846 Punchard Susan Stow 12 527 Stiff Edmund Stow 12 527 Edmund & Susan (Susannah in 1861) are still around in 1871, Edmund has given his correct age in 1861 & 1871 Name: Edmund Stiff Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Susannah Gender: Male Where born: Bradfield St Clare, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Drinkstone County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Stow Sub-registration district: Rattlesden ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 42 Household Members: Name Age Edmund Stiff 60 Susannah Stiff 41 Daniel Stiff 13 Emma Stiff 12 John Stiff 9 Alfred Stiff 7 Jeremiah Stiff 5 Eliza Stiff 4 Nelson Stiff 2 Ellen Stiff 1 Mo Harriett Punchard 19 RG9; Piece: 1145; Folio: 38; Page: 7; GSU roll: 542763. So it looks like the Bradfield baptism suggested by Brian is indeed the correct one Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Brian > Thanks for that I have Edmund 1806 born Drinkstone wife Charlotte 1811 > They have 5 children > Edmund > Henry > William Marie > And Mary > 1830-1838 > I am trying to get back to his father and more if possible > Thanks Ivan Spain

I can !! It's not even a common name either... Wish you had been at that talk with your Question.... Why?. Still seriously considering doing some transcribing of Essex Records... Honor Please don't judge me on what I have achieved, but what I have overcome. Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body. Rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" --- On Mon, 16/8/10, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Search on LDS.. To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 16 August, 2010, 21:55 Hi again Honor A little exercise to compare the three I just picked a more unusual name at random from my family, sorry its not Suffolk Searching for a George YOELL born in Surrey no dates ================================= Familysearch IGI George YOELL Great Britain - England - Surrey Familysearch = 11 hits all Surrey ================================== Record Search Pilot George YOELL Surrey England United Kingdom Record Search Pilot = 13 hits (includes a census) =================================== fsbeta George YOELL Birth place = Surrey England Death place = Surrey England (in basic search) fsbeta = 195 hits much of which is in the USA all over the UK etc etc ??? ==================================== Now can you see my problem with fsbeta :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi Have you tried to do a search on the new Pilpt search. I only ask > because its included the info on the Old site onto the new.. and may be > faster..?? > If you use the url below it should take you straight to the search > facility and or advanced search.. Pilot not just the 'new' records but all > of them to date, as far as I know.. > > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp > > As you say lots of confusion.. > > Honor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ivanmondron <ivanmondron@avired.com> wrote: > Hi List > Looking for parents of Edmund Stiff 1806 Born Drinkstone > Any Help Please? Ivan How sure are you of the place and date? According to the IGI there is an Edmund Stiff born 27th September 1801 - parents Henry Stiff and Hannah Nice - at Bradfield St George which is very close to Drinkstone. I guess you already have Edmund Stiff born c January 1827. If so do you have details of his Army Service with 68th Foot Regiment,which is held by the National Archives -Reference WO 97/814/43 Brian

Marriage after banns 2 Aug 1840 St John the Evangelist, Lambeth William Backhouse of full age, bachelor, Coach Smith, Newton, father John Backhouse Coach Smith Eliza Daniell of full age, spinster ?Shed/Sheel , father John Daniell Coach maker both signed witnesses John Daniell, Rosetta Heafond ? Heassond? Anne South Australia I Thompson wrote: > > Dear list, > > I am a new member and am interested - on behalf of a friend - in the name BACKHOUSE in St Giles in the > Fields, Finsbury, London and Benhall, Suffolk. > > William BACKHOUSE was christened in Benhall in 1817, I believe, and is found in the censuses for Little > Wild St., St Giles, London in 1851-1871 (confirming the place of birth and with age fitting). I am yet to > find him in 1841 but he married in Lambeth in 1840 to Eliza DANIELL, so would have been resident in or > around, I am pretty sure. > > There are a number of people on Ancestry interested in this name with whom I have been in touch - and who > seem to have information from the IGI or similar sources going back to a 1714 christening of Robert > BACKHOUSE in Yoxford. > > I would be grateful to hear from anybody interested in the name or who might be able to help, with whom I > can put my friend in touch. > > Yours, > > Ian Thompson > > Bromley > > London. > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message >

Hi again Still some confusion it seems :-) There is no map on fsbeta thats on Record Search Pilot Recordsearchpilot I am fine with and very useful it is, no its the fsbeta site that will eventually supersede it that is the problem Try it and let me know http://fsbeta.familysearch.org/ Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Hi Nivard Quickest way apparently is to click on England/Europe when the little map comes up. then it will give you a list of Europe then Just go to the parish you want. Norfolk is of course not indexed.. along with Durham?? As you say it can seem a littel long winded. The good news is of course thet it now only take a few mins to upload images etc. instead of Hours and new records are being added every week... But not neccessarily for UK. Honor

Hi Have you tried to do a search on the new Pilpt search. I only ask because its included the info on the Old site onto the new.. and may be faster..?? If you use the url below it should take you straight to the search facility and or advanced search.. Pilot not just the 'new' records but all of them to date, as far as I know.. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp As you say lots of confusion.. Honor Please don't judge me on what I have achieved, but what I have overcome. Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body. Rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

Hi List Looking for parents of Edmund Stiff 1806 Born Drinkstone Any Help Please? Ivan Rook Spain

Hi Nivard Quickest way apparently is to click on England/Europe when the little map comes up.   then it will give you a list of Europe then Just go to the parish you want. Norfolk is of course not indexed.. along with Durham?? As you say it can seem a littel long winded. The good news is of course thet it now only take a few mins to upload images etc. instead of Hours and new records are being added every week... But not neccessarily for UK. Honor Please don't judge me on what I have achieved, but what I have overcome. Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body. Rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" --- On Mon, 16/8/10, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Family search Pilot To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 16 August, 2010, 15:41 Hi all There is possibly some confusion over different LDS sites There is Record Search Pilot (access as described by Jean) for which you initially had to register but now do not need to and what will eventually take over from it http://fsbeta.familysearch.org/ http://blog.fsbeta.familysearch.org/whats_new For which you do need to register to access images ======================== Personally I find fsbeta *extremely* hard work Rather like new search on Ancestry, you get hundreds of totally unrelated hits and it takes an age to find anything of use Just my opinion of course Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Sorry Jean Not meaning to offend or confuse. We were told July by the lady who manages the Cambridge LDS centre that you do.... Hope they have changed it cos I have to write a piece for the Cambs journal.. on How to! access these records.. Honor ----------------------- No you don't have to register. www.Familysearch.org Click on record search (drop down menu) " on record search pilot " on browse record that appears under box. " on map :- Europe scroll down until you see Norfolk records click on these and Parishes come up. Jean ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all There is possibly some confusion over different LDS sites There is Record Search Pilot (access as described by Jean) for which you initially had to register but now do not need to and what will eventually take over from it http://fsbeta.familysearch.org/ http://blog.fsbeta.familysearch.org/whats_new For which you do need to register to access images ======================== Personally I find fsbeta *extremely* hard work Rather like new search on Ancestry, you get hundreds of totally unrelated hits and it takes an age to find anything of use Just my opinion of course Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Sorry Jean Not meaning to offend or confuse. We were told July by the lady who manages the Cambridge LDS centre that you do.... Hope they have changed it cos I have to write a piece for the Cambs journal.. on How to! access these records.. Honor ----------------------- No you don't have to register. www.Familysearch.org Click on record search (drop down menu) " on record search pilot " on browse record that appears under box. " on map :- Europe scroll down until you see Norfolk records click on these and Parishes come up. Jean