I've got the PACKARD Family somewhat confused Can someone please lookup these 2 families in the 1841 Census and 1851 Census   Rev. Harrison PACKARD wife Esther b.c1874 incumbent Middleton & Westleton,   Rev. Daniel PACKARD (son of above) b.c1810, wife Sarah ? also of Middleton   Thankyou   Helen

Hello Margaret I have an Elizabeth Jessup born 1825 who married William Tricker in Eye in 1848. Elizabeth's father Charles and four of her siblings died in Eye between June and December of 1838, presumably from some epidemic. Her mother Maria and one sister also called Maria survived. Mother Maria remarried in 1841 to James Bush. Best wishes Rosemary Brumfield

I am new to this list so I just thought that I would post my name interest in Suffolk. JESSUP/JESSOP. especially from the Thetford border area. Margaret Jessup

Hello Margaret, Rosemary and Suffolk Listers, I too have an interest in the Jessup family of the Norfolk/Suffolk border area.  I am descended from the QUINTON/QUINTIN family who lived in the parishes surrounding Diss and Eye in the 1500/1600s, and I am aware of the following three QUINTIN/JESSOP marriages: ELIZABETH QUINTIN m. JOHN JESSOP at Diss on 19 July 1607 THOMAS QUINTIN of Eye m. ABIGAIL JESSOP of Occold about 1619 (they had five children between 1620 and 1627)  FRANCES QUINTIN of Scole m. NICHOLAS JESSOP at Scole on 2 July 1633 I suspect (but cannot conclusively prove) that my QUINTON line descends through THOMAS and ABIGAIL.  Unfortunately many early parish records simply have not survived, and those that have are often far from complete.  For instance at Stuston there are no records whatsoever for 28 of the years between 1559 and 1630.  Similarly, there are gaps in the surviving records for various other North Suffolk parishes, especially Occold.  Again at Stuston there is an entry in the Bishops’ transcripts for 1605 which stated that ‘many dyed of the small pockes’; the strange thing is that the actual burial register recorded only 3 deaths in 1605 and 4 in 1606!  Another factor is that in general in early parish records there is a lack of vital information.  Often baptism records gave only the name of the father, while burial records seldom provided details of age at death or the status of the deceased (widow, wife, spinster, husband, etc).    Fortunately, some of these QUINTONS left wills, as did ABIGAIL's father, ADAM JESOPE, who bequeathed a house and land at Occold to his son-in-law THOMAS QUINTIN, and it appears that this same property remained in the QUINTON family for at least another 140 years.  It is thus through land ownership, rather than parish records, that I have (tentatively) traced back my 17th/18th century ancestry.   I hope that this mail is sufficiently provocative to warrant a response from listers!   John Quinton Flint Peru, South America   ________________________________ From: margaret jessup <maggie2lo@tiscali.co.uk> To: SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 8:28:37 AM Subject: [SFK-UK] Name interest I am new to this list so I just thought that I would post my name interest in Suffolk. JESSUP/JESSOP. especially from the Thetford border area. Margaret Jessup ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone, i would like to ask if someone living at or near or visiting the Boxford Cemetary would possably take a photo of the headstone (if there is one) of Sydney STEPHENSON/STEVENSON B: 1885 and wife Ellen Maria STEPHENSON/STEVENSON B: 1884 died 1947. Also in the cemetary would be their son George Henry STEPHENSON/STEVENSON b: 1908 died 1948 age 40. If there are any other STEPHENSON'S/STEVENSON'S they would probably be connected to this family? Can i also please ask if anyone is researching the PEARL or RATCLIFFE line from the same area. Thankyou Bob

I managed to spend some time looking through the Hadleigh records and ancestry for census. Additions & corrections most welcome. Regards, Don McArthur. Descendants of Thomas Joselin 1 Thomas JOSELIN Labourer d: Bet. 1814 - 1851 .. +Elizabeth ATMORE b: Abt. 1766 in Hadleigh 1851 77 Benton St., . Hadleigh m: 22 Oct 1797 in Hadleigh d: Aft. 1851 ... 2 Maria JOSLIN 25 Dec 1797 ~ Hadleigh 1871 9 Battle St., . Grimsby d: 10 Feb 1875 in Trinity Street, New Clee ....... +Edward DURRANT b: Abt. 1797 in Snape, Suffolk [1861 as b . Aldborough] m: 4 Apr 1818 in Manningtree d: Aft. 1861 ........ 3 Mary Ann DURRANT b: 1819 in Manningtree d: 1898 in Manningtree ............ +James BOLTON b: 1811 in Lawford, Essex . Groom/Publican m: 7 Oct 1840 in Manningtree . d: 1884 in Manningtree ........ 3 Maria DURRANT 9 Dec 1821 ~ Manningtree d: 1896 in Grimsby ............ +George BACON b: 1819 in Mistley, Essex . Mariner m: Dec 1842 in Tendring d: Aft. 1871 ........ 3 Sarah DURRANT 9 Feb 1824 ~ Manningtree ............ +John WINNEY b: 1827 in Ardleigh, Essex . Sawyer/Journeyman m: 26 Sep 1845 in Manningtree . . d: Abt. 1903 in Grimsby Father: Thomas WINNEY Mother: . Mary NN ........ 3 John DURRANT 25 Jun 1826 ~ Manningtree ........ 3 Edward DURRANT 25 Jan 1830 ~ Manningtree . 1841 in Mistley, with siblings [as 13y] d: Aft. 1841 ........ 3 George DURRANT b: 1831 in Manningtree . Mariner d: Aft. 1871 ........ 3 Harriet DURRANT b: 2 Jan 1836 in Mistley, Essex d: 9 Jan 1918 ............ +Edward Philip JENKINS b: 21 Dec 1825 24 Dec 1825 ~ . Grimsby 26 Jul 1852 Freeman of Grimsby customs . officer m: 5 Jun 1856 in Grimsby d: 16 Oct 1895 . in Chapman St., Grimsby Father: Edward Philip JENKINS . Mother: Elizabeth PARKER ........ 3 Charlotte DURRANT b: 8 Apr 1838 in Manningtree d: 7 Jan 1917 in Leeds ............ +George DICKSON b: c. 1835 m: 9 May 1854 in Grimsby ........ *2nd Husband of Charlotte DURRANT: ............ +James ROBINSON b: 25 May 1836 in Biggin, co. Derby m: 12 Dec 1858 in Grimsby d: 29 Dec 1909 in . Grimsby Father: Thomas ROBINSON Mother: Mary RODGERS ... 2 James JOSLIN 21 Jul 1799 ~ Hadleigh d: 28 Oct 1799 ... 2 Thomas JOSLIN 6 Feb 1801 ~ Hadleigh ... 2 Robert JOSLIN b: 24 Apr 1804 25 Apr 1804 ~ Hadleigh d: Bef. 1851 ....... +Sarah NN b: Abt. 1806 in Hadleigh 1851 nurse, Benton . St., Hadleigh d: Aft. 1851 ........ 3 John JOSLIN 22 Jun 1829 ~ Hadleigh ........ 3 John JOSLIN 3 May 1830 ~ Hadleigh ........ 3 Mary JOSLIN 13 Jan 1830 ~ Hadleigh d: 8 Jul 1845 ........ 3 Sarah JOSLIN 13 Jan 1830 ~ Hadleigh ........ 3 Harriet JOSLIN b: 1833 27 Mar 1833 ~ Hadleigh ... 2 Benjamin JOSLIN b: 2 Jan 1806 19 Feb 1806 ~ Hadleigh 1841 Ag Lab, Benton St., Hadleigh ....... +Maria NN b: Abt. 1810 d: Aft. 1841 ........ 3 Maria JOSLIN b: Abt. 1826 ........ 3 Benjamin JOSLIN 3 Jul 1832 ~ Hadleigh d: 14 Jul 1832 ........ 3 Benjamin JOSLIN 25 Dec 1833 ~ Hadleigh ... 2 Peter JOSLIN b: Abt. 1808 in Assumed here d: Aft. 1881 ....... +Mary NN b: Abt. 1805 in Hadleigh d: Aft. 1881 ........ 3 Henry JOSLIN b: Abt. 1837 in Hadleigh d: Aft. 1851 ........ 3 Thomas JOSLIN b: Abt. 1843 in Hadleigh d: Aft. 1851 ........ 3 Mary Ann JOSLIN b: Abt. 1847 d: Aft. 1851 ... 2 George JOSLIN b: 29 Nov 1811 19 Jan 1812 ~ Hadleigh 1851 Ag. Lab., Baton St., Hadleigh d: Aft. 1851 ....... +Maryan NN b: Abt. 1812 in Belstead d: Aft. 1851 ........ 3 George JOSLIN b: Abt. 1836 in Belstead d: Aft. 1851 ... 2 Harriet JOSLIN 6 Apr 1814 ~ Hadleigh d: Aft. 1851

Hello Alec, Looked him up on Google, read everything I could ( plus there is a good caracature picture of him ) But unfortunately no mention of Suffolk. he seemed quite a person, and travelled the world, no wonder you would like to find out anything of his taking over the Shingle Street property. Mavis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALEC BURWOOD" <alecburwood@btinternet.com> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 6:55 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Sir Joseph Walton > Looking for any information on Sir Joseph Walton, who took over Alde > House, Shingle Street, after the death of Commander Charles Kerr Hope died > in June 1892. > > Any info will be much appreciated > > Alec Burwood > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Looking for any information on Sir Joseph Walton, who took over Alde House, Shingle Street, after the death of Commander Charles Kerr Hope died in June 1892. Any info will be much appreciated Alec Burwood

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If you have any questions about the Boards or what the following is, pls contact me off-list at: mailto:SUFFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com . Thanks, Peter SUFFOLK List Admin. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Marjoram Family Tree This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ejw2713 Surnames: MARJORAM, WALNE, STANLEY, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8528.6.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I love your sketches! I am more of a photographer myself but I wish I could draw. I can't help you any further with those you've trancribed yet, but I did come across a Marjoram gravestone in Hempnall yesterday while looking for another part of my tree - not far away from any of the places you've been. It was for a James Marjoram and his wife Sarah Ann - James died in 1892. While I don't have Marjorams in Pulham I have Walnes (my own surname) and Stanleys and links to a few other names, so it could just be a matter of time before I unearth a second line. Happy to do additional look ups in the NRO for you as I feel sure there is a link to my line somewhere. -------------------------------------------------- Edward and William Brackett 1522 militray survey Baberg hundred-Sudbury This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: brackettwilliam Surnames: Brackett Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8594/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am researching the Brackett families of Sudbury, Suffolk, England from about 1522-1640. My ancester Richard Brackett came to New England by 1630. Richard was the son of Peter and Rachel Brackett of Sudbury. Peter Brackett died in 1616 in Sudbury and Rachel remarried to Martin Saunders. Richard, his brother Peter, their sister Rachel (Brackett) Newcomb; wife of Francis Newcomb, their remarried mother and her second husband were all in the Boston/Braintree area of Massachusetts by 1640. I am interested in contacting anyone working on these families in Sudbury or elsewhere. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Goodchild FamilySuffolk UK. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DavidWalton63 Surnames: Goodchild/Foggin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/3002.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, David was the son of George Goodchild 1820-1893 from what I can gather he married three times, his eldest daughter from his thired marriage was Alice Mary who was born 1863 in Barkingside Essex. She eventualy moved to Corbridge to be housekeeper and subsequently married Robert Foggin in 1901 she had a son Robert Allen Goodchild born Hartlepool 1892 who lived at Corbridge until enlistment in 1914. Alice Mary and Robert foggin had two children Annie, 1901 and Joseph Edward 1903, Alice Mary died in 1933 aged 70 years her sibblings were all in the Hartlepool area at that time. -------------------------------------------------- ADOPTIONS This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 9generationsmanynames Surnames: SAGON / KING Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8595/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Finally looks like I made headway on my double surname, "Sagon-King". by records I've found my gr.grandfather James Sagon, s/o Mary Sagon. James was christened 17 July 1849 Suffolk County Bts. Mary his mother was single, she married Henry John King 20 Jun 1858. My question now is did Henry John adopt James as he uses "Sagon-King" on occassion & that surname has been brought down 2 my generation. Any help would be appreciated. Mary's was daughter of William Sagon & Mary Gardener, Henry John was the son of Robert King. -------------------------------------------------- Re: ADOPTIONS This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8595.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It depends what you mean by 'adoption'. Until 1927 there were no formal adoptions in England, but prior to that there are many instances of informal arrangments. It was quite normal for children of Widows who married again to be called by the surname of a second husband, so I cannot see any problem in the illegitimate child of a single woman being called by the surname of a later husband. There will not however be any formal procedure. In this case it seems that James wished to preserve his roots and retained both names. Often in such cases one of these names are just passed on as a second given name but in this case has been preserved as a surname. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Sir Mackenzie Bowell / John Bowell This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: geoffnorcott1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/704.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Regarding Norcott / Bowell. Unfortunately Uncle David died a few years ago and Antie Joan. Gran (Phyllis nee Gardener)Norcott is still alive and well and living in Perth Aus at the grand age of 99 not out. Geoff Norcott -------------------------------------------------- CARMAN / KEABLE/Keeble This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vivian669 Surnames: Carman/Keeble Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8596/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to locate the marriage of Abraham CARMAN to Sarah KEABLE/Keeble,which would be in the Suffolk area. They were married before 1769. I have located on the IGI a marriage which may be mine but it does not give grooms name.If SKS lives near Martlesham Ipswich could they have a look for me at 18th Jan 1764 Martlesham, Suffolk. Sarah Keeble marriage. film no 184171 page 129 ref no 3722. Thanks a lot. Viv -------------------------------------------------- Re: ROW: Suffolk Wills - 1700 to 1900 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vivian669 Surnames: KEABLE/CARMAN Classification: will Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2832.12/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Peter, I am intrested in the name of KEABLE, they were from Laxfield, Fressingfield, with possible MENDHAM & WITHERSDALE links. My Sarah had a child with Abraham CARMAN although they said they were married I have yet to trace this. He was arrested in 1783 and was hung in 1785 approx. She was then sent transported to Australia. Hoping you can help. Cheers Viv -------------------------------------------------- Edward Baker from Herringswell late 1700's This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: goldengirlynnl55 Surnames: Baker, Munson, Rutledge, Cobbon(Cobbin) Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8597/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I would be interested in hearing from anyone who is researching the Baker family. So far I have ancestors from Mildenhall and the surrounding areas. I can go back as far as 1772 for a definite birth. -------------------------------------------------- Re: HOBART This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: franhobart Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/268.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thomas William Hobart was son of John Robart Hobart and Harriet Podd. John Robert was a well known animal artist from Monks Eleigh -------------------------------------------------- Re: ROW: Suffolk Wills - 1700 to 1900 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: helbow76 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2832.13/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi peter, I would be interested to find out any info on the Fisk and Gooch surnames you have listed. My paternal ancestors are from the mutford/ beccles/kessingland region in suffolk. Any info would be much appreciated Regards Helen -------------------------------------------------- John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: baker18651 Surnames: Baldwin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Not sure if this is the correct area but I hope someone can send me in the right direction. I just found my ancestor's military record. Name was John Baldwin (born 1806-died 1871) at Bures Suffolk. He enlisted in the 49th Regitment at Colchester on the 15th November 1825 and served for 20 years, with 11 years being in the East Indies. I've seen on WDYTYA, some people searching for BDM records in East Indies. Where are they? Can't seem to find them on Ancestry at the moment. Are they on Ancestry or somewhere else? Thank you.. -------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: baker18651 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Additional question: Are there any passenger lists to & from the East Indies during this time? -------------------------------------------------- Re: Arthur Ward/Harriett Gates This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8598.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Not much help really, but 1911 census says Arthur born c1848 in Coddenham Suffolk and Harriett c1857 Croydon. It also says they had been married 28years but I couldn't find a marriage. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Pain family of England This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: peggysullivan114 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8599.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1841 census Thomas Pain 60 Farmer Mary Pain 45 John Pain 20 Hannah Pain 12 Elizabeth Pain 7 John Pain 71 Ind: All born here living Hall,Ellough,district of Wangford Sub:District of Beccles Suffolk -------------------------------------------------- Re: Pain family of England This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: peggysullivan114 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8599.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1841 census Thomas Pain 60 Farmer Mary Pain 45 John Pain 20 Hannah Pain 12 Elizabeth Pain 7 John Pain 71 Ind: All born here living Hall,Ellough,district of Wangford Sub:District of Beccles Suffolk -------------------------------------------------- The Folly, Monewden This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: robert1sahvncvul3qbj9vchkvjltfsgdk4 Surnames: Peck Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8601/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My nan Grace Hilda Peck lived in Monewden from 1914 - 1930. She lived at a place called The Folly or Folly Farm, which was just north of Church Road. I am trying to find anybody that may have any memories of the Peck's, or the Folly. If there are any photo's or drawings of the folly from that period. Many thanks Robert Ireland -------------------------------------------------- Re: ADOPTIONS This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 9generationsmanynames Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8595.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you -------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: What are you looking for in the overseas BMDs? John was born and died in Bures, it is possible that he was married abroad and I have looked through the overseas marriages and there is nothing showing for a John Baldwin during his lifetime. I expect however that he married before central registration began in 1837 and as his wife Sarah was born in Boxford Suffolk, then I suggest that you start your search in the parish registers their. In 1851 they had a daughters Mary Ann b.c.1836 born in what appears to be Halstead, Suffolk (possibly Halstead Essex) and Sarah c1844, Stoke by Nayland, Suffolk. All these places are local to Bures, so it would seem that they did not travel far during this period. I cannot though see the family in Suffolk in 1841. I am not aware of any passenger lists available, but would think that military records are your best chance. I think however that his service was when he was young and he returned to Suffolk, married and settled afterwards. There is a chance that he had more than one marriage and had children born abroad, but without evidence it is difficult to undertake a search. ------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: baker18651 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the reply. I also could not see the family in 1841 but they are in the 1851 and 61 (though Sarah was deceased by 1861). John is living with Maryann and her husband James Rice in 1871. What I wanted to see if it was possible that he did marry overseas. I do think the marriage that occured in 1826 to Sarah Reason in Suffolk is the more likely one but I just wanted to see if there were any other marriages to see if there was a possibility that the Sarah Reason marriage was not the correct one. His service records say that he spent 11 years 11 months in East Indies and 1 year 11 months in NSW & VDL (Australia). That totals almsot 14 years. He enlisted in 1825 and discharged in 1846.I was thinking maybe the 14 years was one long stretch of services overseas starting in 1825 and ending in 1840, but as Maryannn is born in 1836, then, the overseas service was more likely split. My guess is that if the family were not in the 1841 census then they were OS then. Just now need to see if there are any records to show him leaving the UK for the Indies & AUS, to get a time line. The service record only shows the total amount of service overseas. Thanks & Regards ------------------------------------------------- Re: Arthur Ward/Harriett Gates This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ELLinSpain Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8598.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: TIP: if you obtain one of the childrens birth certs, it will prove mums maiden name ------------------------------------------------- Re: John Baldwin - Chelsea Pensioner - Servered East Indies This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8600.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I assume that you obtained the Sarah Reason marriage via the IGI. This does seem feasable as it took place in Newton, about half way between Boxford and Bures. The only way to confirm if it is the correct couple would be to check the origional entry and see what it gives for the Groom's occupation and also possibly see if you can make a connection between the witnesses and your family. It also would still make sense to go through the Parish Registers of Boxford and Bures and maybe other local parishes to see if there are other possibilities. If John only signed up in 1825 and they married in 1826 then either Sarah must have travelled with him or they spent a lot of time apart. That might account for gap between the birth of Mary Ann and Susan. Incidentally the IGI gives a baptism 28 Jan.1828 in Bures of a John Baldwin, the son of John and Sarah. He could very well be another child and would tie in with an 1826 marriage. I cannot see this John in any census. There were also a John & Sarah Baldwin in the village of Wilby (in the north of Suffolk) with a family (including a John b.c.1828) at the same time. I doubt if the Newton marriage would relate to them. If there were children born abroad it would seem that none survived. If John had met a girl and married abroad it would be a great coincidence that she happenned to be a local Suffolk girl and it is very unlikely in those days that a single girl would travel abroad with a boyfriend and then marry whilst away. They would marry before departure ------------------------------------------------- Re: Pain family of England This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tkpain Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8599.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank-you Peggy. This is my husbands family. His sister did up a family book and it just starts with John Pain/Rebecca, so this is an excellent start to see how far back I can go and now to find out about his siblings. Thank-you so much ------------------------------------------------- Re: Arthur Ward/Harriett Gates This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: flowerbunny5 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8598.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Thanks for replying, I couldn't find a marriage either! And in one of the census' they have both lost (or gained I can't remember which!) 10 years! Thanks for looking, I will add the info to my tree Anna ------------------------------------------------- Re: Arthur Ward/Harriett Gates This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: flowerbunny5 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8598.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Thanks for replying, I ordered the birth certificate of one of the daughters - Violet Victoria Ward as that was the most uncommon name and so more likely to be their daughter and that's where the Gates name comes from, but I can't find a marriage for Arthur and Harriett and the closest likely marriage is a Harriett Collins! Anna ------------------------------------------------- Re: ROW: Suffolk Wills - 1700 to 1900 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Peter_Row Surnames: ROW, PIERCE, COLE, FISK, AVIS, GOOCH, MASTERTON, WRIGHT, SCXHULDMAN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2832.13.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Helen, William Gooch was one of three witnesses of the Will of Nicholas Row of Bruisyard signed 07 Oct 1777. The others were Joseph Wright and William Schuldman. John Gooch and James Masterson occupied Real Estate in Bruisyard which was bequeathed to Ann Pierce, a daughter of Nicholas and the wife of Row Pierce, an Executor. Other beneficiaries were son, Robert Row and his son, John Row; daughter, Elizabeth Cole and her children, John Cole, Martha Cole and married daughter, Elizabeth Fisk and her daughter, Myrtilla; grand-daughter, Elizabeth Row; and grandson, William Row whose father William was deceased. Mary Avis, a servant, and her daughter, Elizabeth were also beneficiaries. Nicholas's son, Robert was also an Executor. Peter ------------------------------------------------- Sinclair This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ValerieWalton54 Surnames: Sinclair Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8603/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information about Mary S T Sinclair born about 1856 in Ipswich, Suffolk. Married William David Jones b. about 1857 in Chislett, Kent. I have searched census, birth, death and marriage records but can not find any more information or any trace of the Sinclair family in Ipswich at the time of her birth. Explored the possiblity of the name being St.Clair but one of her grand-daughters has Sinclair as a middle name which confirms that Sinclair is the correct last name for Mary. Can anyone suggest anywhere else that I can look? ------------------------------------------------- Re: Sinclair This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Jones,Chaplin Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8603.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I take it you hadn't found their marriage record. 1911 census says they have been married 36 years, so found the following. William Thomas Jones Mary Sinclair F Chaplin 1877 Dec qtr. District: Maidstone County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 1057 In the 1881 census Mr. Jones is listed as Thomas. ------------------------------------------------- Re: Sinclair This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Chaplin Classification: birth Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8603.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This looks like the birth record. Mary Sinclair Chaplin 1856 Dec qtr. District: Ipswich County: Suffolk Volume: 4a Page: 517 ------------------------------------------------- Re: Sinclair This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8603.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1861, Mary is in Kent with a couple and listed as niece. RG9; Piece: 530; Folio: 155; Page: 29; 1871, Mary still in Kent and listed with a different couple and still niece. RG10; Piece: 971; Folio: 10; Page: 12 I think it best to get the marriage and birth certs as this looks like the only way of finding out who her parents were. Let me know how you get on as I have Ipswich Chaplins in my ttree. -------------------------------------------------

Thanks Don Yes I know of this JOSLIN family but, not much on Edward DURRANT apart from having him as a Mariner. Maria had six siblings and was the daughter of Thomas JOSLIN. Regards Peter Joslin www.joslins.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of suffolk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:01 AM To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 5, Issue 209 Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:26:37 +0200 From: "Don McArthur" <donmac@netactive.co.za> Subject: [SFK-UK] Edward DURRANT m 1818 Maria JOSLIN To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <bb4c6a$5afa53@iport-01.v931.wbs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Edward DURRANT m 1818 Maria JOSLIN I have found this couple as ancestors of a friend in the PRF and a rootsweb database. Edward DURRANT b c 1797 in Snape m Manningtree, Essex in 1818 to Maria JOSLIN b c 1794 in Hadleigh. Does anyone have a connection to them? Regards, Don McArthur, Johannesburg.

researching the above, prior to be sent to Calais in May 1940, from where most died or were POW,s the 1 st Bn Rifle Brigade was stationed or on manourves in Needham Market from abot 10 - 19th May does anyone have any info regarding this or could suggest some sources Tony Waugh

Edward DURRANT m 1818 Maria JOSLIN I have found this couple as ancestors of a friend in the PRF and a rootsweb database. Edward DURRANT b c 1797 in Snape m Manningtree, Essex in 1818 to Maria JOSLIN b c 1794 in Hadleigh. Does anyone have a connection to them? Regards, Don McArthur, Johannesburg.

Hi again Yes what you suggest is quite possible This is one reason I had not ventured into this line, it really needs hands on research in Suffolk to get to the bottom of it I just have doubts on the research thats been done so far, as usual most of the online trees have the same data , copied from one to another with the odd extra mistake thrown in for good measure Without finding good reason (such as in the PRs) its hard to pinpoint where any given couple were for a period of years in that time frame The 1781 marriage tells us :- Parish Register Mildenhall Page 25 The Year 1781 No79 Stephen Bloyce Widower Militia Man of this Parish and Sarah Caudell of this Parish single woman Married in this Church by Banns this eighteenth day of December in the year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty One - By me G Emly Curate This marriage was solomnized between us The mark of Stephen Bloyce (signed) Sarah Caudell In the presence of Tho Dyson and Francis Brown Unusual for a girl to sign her name at that time I have been unable so far to find a first marriage for Stephen There is a burial in Norton for a Stephen BLOYCE 6th March 1818 aged 63 So the only occupation I have so far is Militiaman in 1781 but that would be short lived Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Yes, Nivard, I did get the Sarahs mixed up ! :-[ > > "the years between marriage and children still raises questions in my mind > though" > > It's of no help, but, other than still births and hubby being away at > the wars, could the couple have lived elsewhere than Norton between the > supposed marriage and 1792 - maybe with earlier children in parishes not > covered by I.G.I. or other indexes ? Given the 1781 marriage was in > Mildenhall, Cambridgeshire could be possible. > > Any idea what Stephen's occupation was ? > > Hope this adds to the merriment ;-) > Michael Walsby

Yes as I said it does happen I have one in Leicestershire, he born 1830 has three children with first wife, she dies and he has a young girl to do domestic chores He married her when she was 14 or 15 in 1861, he was 31 They would call it something today but they went on to have seven children to add to the first three, the eldest was five years younger than his step mum Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Yes she was born Apr 54 during the time her parents were in Barcelona > between brothers born in England in Jun 1851,d bef 61 Oct 52 [died in > Barcelona in o'seas index ] 56 England apprenticed in 71 census. None > of my family seem to have known of the child born in 1856 maybe they > were apart so too young to remember

Yes, Nivard, I did get the Sarahs mixed up ! :-[ "the years between marriage and children still raises questions in my mind though" It's of no help, but, other than still births and hubby being away at the wars, could the couple have lived elsewhere than Norton between the supposed marriage and 1792 - maybe with earlier children in parishes not covered by I.G.I. or other indexes ? Given the 1781 marriage was in Mildenhall, Cambridgeshire could be possible. Any idea what Stephen's occupation was ? Hope this adds to the merriment ;-) Michael Walsby On 17/08/2010 20:11, Nivard Ovington wrote: > You may butt in all you like Michael , the more the merrier :-) > > You are quite right in that a baptism is usually soon after birth but far > from always > > But I believe you have the Sarahs mixed up unfortunately :-( > > The Sarah I was questioning if she married at age 16 was the Sarah CAUDELL > who is said to be born 1765 and married 1781 > > I can believe the marriage at 16 but why did she have no children until 1792 > some nine years later ? > > Its possible she had several still births or her hubby was away at the wars > or .....? > > As far as Sarah BLOIS/BLOYCE b1792 is concerned, I am pretty certain she was > born that year > > In 1841 with husband in Horningsheath aged 45 (but 1841 rounded down to > nearest five) > In 1851 again with family in Horningsheath aged 58 > In 1861 a widow living in Horningheath on her own in Church Green aged 69 > In 1871 at 1 Flint Cottages living with a Mary Copely in Horringer aged 79 > > (her husband) > Suffolk: Horringer - Parish Registers with appendices and biographical > notes, 1558-1850 > Monumental Inscriptions in Horringer Churchyard. > 1699. > County: Suffolk > Country: England > 179. Robert Wells who died 12 Dec 1857 , aged 64 years. > > Suffolk: Horringer - Parish Registers with appendices and biographical > notes, 1558-1850 > Monumental Inscriptions in Horringer Churchyard. > 1699. > County: Suffolk > Country: England > Also Sarah Wells his wife, who died 10 Feb 1880 , in her 88th year. > > I forgot to mention in my last post > > My g.g.g.grandmother Sarah had three siblings the two youngest have the > mothers maiden name on their baptism as follows > > VINE BLOYCE > > Birth: 16 APR 1798 > > Christening: 06 MAY 1798 Norton, Suffolk, England > > Father: STEPHEN BLOYCE Family > > Mother: SARAH CORDWELL > > C062061 1775 - 1879 0950447 Film 0883873 Film > > And > > ISABELL BLOYCE > > Birth: 18 MAY 1800 > > Christening: 06 JUL 1800 Norton, Suffolk, England > > Father: STEPHEN BLOYCE Family > > Mother: SARAH CAWDWELL > > C062061 1775 - 1879 0950447 Film 0883873 Film > > Hence the reasoning behind the CAUDELL marriage in 1781, the years between > marriage and children still raises questions in my mind though > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes she was born Apr 54 during the time her parents were in Barcelona between brothers born in England in Jun 1851,d bef 61 Oct 52 [died in Barcelona in o'seas index ] 56 England apprenticed in 71 census. None of my family seem to have known of the child born in 1856 maybe they were apart so too young to remember Her father d 1861 & I think mother early 60s leaving 2 children, her brother was apprenticed & she was probably in service where my Gt Grandfather was in lodgings, [his parents & siblings had emigrated to Canada in 1858] he was almost 6 yrs older. Because events were between census it is hard to find out what happened - her grandfather also died & step gr mother may have been around but was in Devon in 71 (Devon & Lambeth in 61). Her parent Samuel & Rebecca Green are very difficult to follow. Jo

Hi Jo Not that I doubt your statement but are you absolutely sure she was that age? We know it happened just not that often In 1871 of 190,112 marriages there were just 35 females married under the age of 16 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > My gt grandmother married age 15y5m in 1869 but didn't have children > until 1878 then had 4. > Cheers > Jo

My gt grandmother married age 15y5m in 1869 but didn't have children until 1878 then had 4. Cheers Jo

You may butt in all you like Michael , the more the merrier :-) You are quite right in that a baptism is usually soon after birth but far from always But I believe you have the Sarahs mixed up unfortunately :-( The Sarah I was questioning if she married at age 16 was the Sarah CAUDELL who is said to be born 1765 and married 1781 I can believe the marriage at 16 but why did she have no children until 1792 some nine years later ? Its possible she had several still births or her hubby was away at the wars or .....? As far as Sarah BLOIS/BLOYCE b1792 is concerned, I am pretty certain she was born that year In 1841 with husband in Horningsheath aged 45 (but 1841 rounded down to nearest five) In 1851 again with family in Horningsheath aged 58 In 1861 a widow living in Horningheath on her own in Church Green aged 69 In 1871 at 1 Flint Cottages living with a Mary Copely in Horringer aged 79 (her husband) Suffolk: Horringer - Parish Registers with appendices and biographical notes, 1558-1850 Monumental Inscriptions in Horringer Churchyard. 1699. County: Suffolk Country: England 179. Robert Wells who died 12 Dec 1857 , aged 64 years. Suffolk: Horringer - Parish Registers with appendices and biographical notes, 1558-1850 Monumental Inscriptions in Horringer Churchyard. 1699. County: Suffolk Country: England Also Sarah Wells his wife, who died 10 Feb 1880 , in her 88th year. I forgot to mention in my last post My g.g.g.grandmother Sarah had three siblings the two youngest have the mothers maiden name on their baptism as follows VINE BLOYCE Birth: 16 APR 1798 Christening: 06 MAY 1798 Norton, Suffolk, England Father: STEPHEN BLOYCE Family Mother: SARAH CORDWELL C062061 1775 - 1879 0950447 Film 0883873 Film And ISABELL BLOYCE Birth: 18 MAY 1800 Christening: 06 JUL 1800 Norton, Suffolk, England Father: STEPHEN BLOYCE Family Mother: SARAH CAWDWELL C062061 1775 - 1879 0950447 Film 0883873 Film Hence the reasoning behind the CAUDELL marriage in 1781, the years between marriage and children still raises questions in my mind though Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Nivard, > Excuse my butting in, but the discussion on the STIFF line is > interesting even though my own ancestors are not concerned ! > > You wrote : > > Sarah BLOIS b1792 is the oldest known child , so why when they married in > 1781? > (possible but raises doubts in my mind) > If this is the correct marriage and Sarah CAUDELLs age is correct it would > make her 16 on marriage , certainly not impossible but a question all the > same > > > However, if this info is from I.G.I., 1792 is Sarah's baptism date, > which may be some time later than her birth date. If so, this would > mean she was older than 16 when she married. > > Just a thought .... > > Michael Walsby

Hello Nivard, Excuse my butting in, but the discussion on the STIFF line is interesting even though my own ancestors are not concerned ! You wrote : Sarah BLOIS b1792 is the oldest known child , so why when they married in 1781? (possible but raises doubts in my mind) If this is the correct marriage and Sarah CAUDELLs age is correct it would make her 16 on marriage , certainly not impossible but a question all the same However, if this info is from I.G.I., 1792 is Sarah's baptism date, which may be some time later than her birth date. If so, this would mean she was older than 16 when she married. Just a thought .... Michael Walsby On 17/08/2010 13:22, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi again Ivan > > Well perhaps I need a STIFF drink<vbg> > > I was going to say early on that I have a reputed STIFFE connection myself > but not having researched it myself I do not accept it until I have so did > not mention it > > A cousin of mine has researched it through so I can't vouch for it myself > until I get around to this line, I believe my cousin took someone elses > research for the earlier period but visited Suffolk records office for the > 1792 back to 1700 period > > What I can say with as much certainty as I can on any line is that my > g.g.g.grandmother was Sarah BLOIS b1792 Norton Suffolk > (she married Robert WELLS in 1814 Norton) and are in Horringer for many > years and are buried there > > Sarahs parents were Stephen and Sarah BLOYCE > > Read STIFF for STIFFE and vice versa > > Variations of BLOIS = BLOYCE , BLOISE etc etc > > =========================================== > > Before 1792 I have not personally checked but is as follows > > Sarah BLOIS b1792 parents are said to be Stephen BLOIS b1756& Sarah CAUDELL > b1765 > (married 1781 Mildenhall) > > Stephen BLOIS b1756 his parents are Stephen BLOIS b1734& Sarah STIFFE b1743 > Rattlesdon > (married 1755 Drinkstone) > > Sarah STIFFE b1743 parents are Daniel STIFFE b1705& Mary HINED b1725 > > Daniel STIFFE b1705 Drinkstones parents are John STIFF b1672& Sarah KING > b1670 > > John b1672 parents were John STIFF b1635& Elizabeth BUTALL b1635 > > John STIFF b1635 parents are John STIFFE b1602& Elizabeth BUTALL b1602 > > John STIFFE b1602 parents are John STIFFE b1573& Katherina or Kateryne > Barton DEICKES b1577 > > Robert STIFF b1535& Martha b1540 > > ========================= > > Now I have certain issues with the above > > Sarah BLOIS b1792 is the oldest known child , so why when they married in > 1781? > (possible but raises doubts in my mind) > If this is the correct marriage and Sarah CAUDELLs age is correct it would > make her 16 on marriage , certainly not impossible but a question all the > same > > If Sarah STIFFs age is correct it would make her 12 when she married in 1755 > and gave birth to her first that year , that I do have to question > > It does not take a degree in quantum physics to see that there are > apparently two John STIFFs who mary the same named Elizabeth BUTALL > (coincidence? I think not) > > But if all pans out, Sarah STIFF b1743 Rattlesdon has a brother Henry STIFF > > So take this at present with a large pinch of salt but perhaps food for > thought > > You will find over 30 trees on Ancestry with the STIFF line , I would advise > some caution but they may give you some clues > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Hi Nivard Thanks for that but that is what I have can't seem to get >> back to his father! >> You may recall a few months back that at 83 I found my wife's father and >> am >> now trying to put the tree together and just to let you know we are coming >> back to England in Sept for a reunion with her brother and sister she did >> not know she had >> >> Ivan Spain > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >