I am still trying to locate a picture of Daniel Sutton Jnr (1768 - 1859 - Essex and, latterly, Tasmania )- son of Daniel Sutton [ the great small-pox inoculator ] Having tried every possible source in Tasmania - with a total lack of success ! I think I must revert back to his earlier home, and accept an image at a much earlier age. My only reference is a book - published 1913 - " Ingatestone and the Great Essex Road including Fryerning -Author : E E Wilde - published by Humphrey Milford - Oxford University Press - 1913, which on page 277 states : " There is still in the possession of the family a fine oil painting by Sir Joshua Reynolds, of Daniel Sutton, the inoculators, in the prime of life, seated, in plum coloured coat, knee-breeches, white silk stockings and powdered hair; also another portrait of him, one of his wife, and others of his children, and their descendants - all with the sharp-cut nose that is so marked a feature in the father and son, and most of them very good-looking" Are any of the correspondents to this list a member of the family, or know of any descendants who may be able to assist with locating one, or some, of the pictures referred to above. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated James P <jamesp006@optusnet.com.au> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have an Abigail HOWE (b c1790) married William MEDCALF in Long Melford in 1821. Do you know of a connection with your HOWEs of Glemsford? Regards Robert -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lummis Sent: 26 August 2010 22:16 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] WILLIAM HOWE. GLEMSFORD. > I have this chap in my direct family tree,but i seem to have lost my > notes as to the source of the information i have about him and his > family.I am certain it was sent to me from a fellow lister,and these > facts came from the parish registers,could someone please confirm them for me. > William Howe. bpt.c.1765. Glemsford. > Marriage to Ann Wright 1786.Glemsford. > Three children Joseph,1788,William,1789,James,1792 baptised Glemsford ? All the events are on the IGI so may be that is where the information came from - if you go to www.familysearch.org you will also find his parents! Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Colin Gooch <ch.gooch@ntlworld.com> wrote: > His marriage cert (1904, Rochford) gives his age as 30 (probably an > approximation) and his father as Robert, a gardener. > Searching all the possible Robert Tydemans in the census records > (1861-1901) lead me to Robert Tydeman in Mickfield as a the most likely > contender, but there are others outside Suffolk. > The William you mention is listed as the son of Jesse so I think this is > not a likely option. Colin Not so quick this time ! Your date of birth looks right as his death is on FreeBMD in the Jan-Mar quarter 1909 in the Rochford District and age is given as 35. Did you notice a possible son, Horace C Tydeman age 2 in the 1911 census who was being looked after as a Nurse Child and not with his mother and then died in July-Sept quarter 1919 aged 10. There is a Emma Tydeman, widow who was a servant working in Southend in 1911 - is that the wife of Robert on the marriage certificate or am I trying to get 2 and 2 to make 5! There is also a Jane Tydeman on the 1911 census, widow age 71 who could have been the mother of Robert as she is living in Prittlewell,Southend. She was born in Paddington and I have traced her back through the census but there is no sign of a Robert with her. Not much to go on and I now appreciate your problem. Regards Brian

it's a wild shot, but you might try Tildman/Tyldman/Tyldeman. seems I've seen that spelling in the very distant past. and what if a transcriber mistook the y for ij? or g? if the handwriting's especially flowery or especially bad, that's a possibility. try dingbats in place of the vowels, and try partial name searching if you haven't done that yet. BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } On Fri 08/27/10 12:33 PM , "Brian Lummis" lummis@btinternet.com sent: Colin Gooch wrote: > His marriage cert (1904, Rochford) gives his age as 30 (probably an > approximation) and his father as Robert, a gardener. > Searching all the possible Robert Tydemans in the census records > (1861-1901) lead me to Robert Tydeman in Mickfield as a the most likely > contender, but there are others outside Suffolk. > The William you mention is listed as the son of Jesse so I think this is > not a likely option. Colin Not so quick this time ! Your date of birth looks right as his death is on FreeBMD in the Jan-Mar quarter 1909 in the Rochford District and age is given as 35. Did you notice a possible son, Horace C Tydeman age 2 in the 1911 census who was being looked after as a Nurse Child and not with his mother and then died in July-Sept quarter 1919 aged 10. There is a Emma Tydeman, widow who was a servant working in Southend in 1911 - is that the wife of Robert on the marriage certificate or am I trying to get 2 and 2 to make 5! There is also a Jane Tydeman on the 1911 census, widow age 71 who could have been the mother of Robert as she is living in Prittlewell,Southend. She was born in Paddington and I have traced her back through the census but there is no sign of a Robert with her. Not much to go on and I now appreciate your problem. Regards Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com [2] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] mailto:ch.gooch@ntlworld.com [2] mailto:SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com

Brian ..that was quick His marriage cert (1904, Rochford) gives his age as 30 (probably an approximation) and his father as Robert, a gardener. Searching all the possible Robert Tydemans in the census records (1861-1901) lead me to Robert Tydeman in Mickfield as a the most likely contender, but there are others outside Suffolk. The William you mention is listed as the son of Jesse so I think this is not a likely option. Regards Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lummis" <lummis@btinternet.com> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Horace William Tydeman > Colin Gooch <ch.gooch@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> I am trying to find the birth and parents of Horace William Tydeman. >> He was born about 1874, possibly in Mickfield. >> His name, or obvious variations, does not appear in the GRO birth index, >> nor in census 1881-1901, the first record of him being his marriage. >> If any one has ready access to the Mickfield registers I would >> appreciate a search for any record of him from 1870 to 1880, or any one >> with the first names Horace William as he may have been adopted. >> Colin Gooch > > Colin > > Your query has intrigued me! Like you I can find no trace of him in the > GRO > indexes or the census records from 1881 to 1911 neither is there any > Horace > William first name combinations in the Bosmere District which is where > Mickfield is situated. He also does not appear in the National Burials > Index > as far as I can see. > > You say that the first record of him is his marriage - when did this take > place and have you seen the marriage entry in parish records or have you > obtained a marriage certificate? How did you arrive at the possible birth > date of 1874? Are you certain that Horace William was the name given at > birth - there is a William Tydeman b1869 in Coddenham, living at Little > Stonham - the next village to Mickfield - in the 1881 census which is a > possibility. > > Legal adoptions did not take place until after the Adoption Act 1926 and > before then children were often looked after by a relative if the mother > could not cope or had died - most tended to keep there birth name although > some did not, so your theory of a change of name is possible. > > Brian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Colin Gooch <ch.gooch@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I am trying to find the birth and parents of Horace William Tydeman. > He was born about 1874, possibly in Mickfield. > His name, or obvious variations, does not appear in the GRO birth index, > nor in census 1881-1901, the first record of him being his marriage. > If any one has ready access to the Mickfield registers I would > appreciate a search for any record of him from 1870 to 1880, or any one > with the first names Horace William as he may have been adopted. > Colin Gooch Colin Your query has intrigued me! Like you I can find no trace of him in the GRO indexes or the census records from 1881 to 1911 neither is there any Horace William first name combinations in the Bosmere District which is where Mickfield is situated. He also does not appear in the National Burials Index as far as I can see. You say that the first record of him is his marriage - when did this take place and have you seen the marriage entry in parish records or have you obtained a marriage certificate? How did you arrive at the possible birth date of 1874? Are you certain that Horace William was the name given at birth - there is a William Tydeman b1869 in Coddenham, living at Little Stonham - the next village to Mickfield - in the 1881 census which is a possibility. Legal adoptions did not take place until after the Adoption Act 1926 and before then children were often looked after by a relative if the mother could not cope or had died - most tended to keep there birth name although some did not, so your theory of a change of name is possible. Brian

I am trying to find the birth and parents of Horace William Tydeman. He was born about 1874, possibly in Mickfield. His name, or obvious variations, does not appear in the GRO birth index, nor in census 1881-1901, the first record of him being his marriage. If any one has ready access to the Mickfield registers I would appreciate a search for any record of him from 1870 to 1880, or any one with the first names Horace William as he may have been adopted. Colin Gooch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Stephenson" <rstephenson3@cogeco.ca> To: <SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:45 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Pearl > Researching the line of Alfred M PEARL b: 1911. Married Grace Ellen > STEPHENSON b: 1913 Boxford. I think i may have found 4 children for them > but they may be alive so i will not enter any information on them. If > anyone is researching this line please contact me. Grace also had six > sibblings. > > Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helen, On the 1871 they are living at the rectory Lakenheath rd Eriswell Fitzwilliam aged 40 rector of Eriswell Augusta aged 33 lady and 2 servants ref RG10 piece 1730 folio 18 page 6 Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Carter" <helen.carter28@yahoo.com> To: <SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:51 AM Subject: [SFK-UK] 1871 + 1891 Census EVANS Can some one please do a lookup for me Rev. Fitzwilliam EVANS b.c Oxford Jane Augusta EVANS b. Yoxford, Suffolk wife Living at Eriswell in 1881 and both died at Eriswell after 1900 Thankyou Helen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helen On the 1891 they are living at the rectory in Eriswell Fitzwilliam Evans aged 63 rector of Eriswell clergy born Dean Oxfordshire Jane A aged 54 born Middleton Suffolk with 2 servants ref RG12 piece 1453 folio 12 page 2 Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Carter" <helen.carter28@yahoo.com> To: <SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:51 AM Subject: [SFK-UK] 1871 + 1891 Census EVANS Can some one please do a lookup for me Rev. Fitzwilliam EVANS b.c Oxford Jane Augusta EVANS b. Yoxford, Suffolk wife Living at Eriswell in 1881 and both died at Eriswell after 1900 Thankyou Helen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can some one please do a lookup for me   Rev. Fitzwilliam EVANS b.c Oxford Jane Augusta EVANS b. Yoxford, Suffolk wife   Living at Eriswell in 1881 and both died at Eriswell after 1900   Thankyou   Helen

> I have this chap in my direct family tree,but i seem to have lost my notes > as to the source of the information i have about him and his family.I am > certain it was sent to me from a fellow lister,and these facts came from > the parish registers,could someone please confirm them for me. > William Howe. bpt.c.1765. Glemsford. > Marriage to Ann Wright 1786.Glemsford. > Three children Joseph,1788,William,1789,James,1792 baptised Glemsford ? All the events are on the IGI so may be that is where the information came from - if you go to www.familysearch.org you will also find his parents! Brian

Hi, I have this chap in my direct family tree,but i seem to have lost my notes as to the source of the information i have about him and his family.I am certain it was sent to me from a fellow lister,and these facts came from the parish registers,could someone please confirm them for me. William Howe. bpt.c.1765. Glemsford. Marriage to Ann Wright 1786.Glemsford. Three children Joseph,1788,William,1789,James,1792 baptised Glemsford ? Many thanks, Richard. Richard Myhill richardmyhill43@btinternet.com

Researching the line of Alfred M PEARL b: 1911. Married Grace Ellen STEPHENSON b: 1913 Boxford. I think i may have found 4 children for them but they may be alive so i will not enter any information on them. If anyone is researching this line please contact me. Grace also had six sibblings. Bob

Hi Shirley You can order online at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ 9.25 per cert post paid anywhere (with GRO reference) Or from local Office at http://www.suffolk.gov.uk/BirthsMarriagesAndDeaths/ 9gbp per cert but there is a 2gbp postage and packing fee for overseas (.50p in UK) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I want to send for a marriage certificate. It is a long time since I > have bought one and I remember reading that the price has recently > risen. > Could someone please advise me where the cheapest place is to order it > from and the cost involved. > The marriage took place in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk in 1840. > Many thanks > > Shirley

I want to send for a marriage certificate. It is a long time since I have bought one and I remember reading that the price has recently risen. Could someone please advise me where the cheapest place is to order it from and the cost involved. The marriage took place in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk in 1840. Many thanks Shirley

There is no need to be confused on this part of the Packard family! Davy in MSS 19144 compiled information on them. This Packard line goes back to a marriage in 1713 of Daniel Packard and Grace Virtue, but I have had no luck in pushing back earlier than that with any certainty - too many Daniel Packards at that point, and I haven't yet looked at the various property records to establish the links. 1851 census HO107/1803/226/15 Malt Office Farm, Darsham Suffolk [the Warren family have the same address of Malt Office Farm] Packard Harrison Head mar 67 Rector of Fordley Suffolk Middleton Packard Esther Wife mar 66 Ryde Isle of White Packard Jane Elizabeth dau U 34 Clergyman's daughter Suffolk Blaxhall Knights Mary Ann Servant U 23 House Servants Suffolk Westleton 1841 census HO 107/1016 page 8 Fordley Rectory Middelton with Fordley Suffolk Harrison Packard 55 born in county Esther Packard 56 born in county Jane Packard 20 born in county Ann Borritt 20 Female Servant, born in county 1851 census: Great Chesterford Essex HO107/1786/245/26 Saffron Walden Reg Dist Daniel Packard head M 40 Clerk? illegible Suffolk Blaxhall Sarah Packard Wife M 36 Suffolk Beccles Jane Agusta Packard Daur U 14 Suffolk Yoxford Emily Ester Packard Daur U 11 Yoxford Francis Joseph Packard Son 8 Herts Kapendon Ada Elizabeth Packard Daur 6 Herts Redburn Frederick Jas Packard Son 5 Northampton[shire] Harringworth John Harrison Packard Son 4 Essex Gt Chesterford Alice Jane Packard Daur 4 Gt Chesterford Charles Robert Packard Son 4M Gt Chesterford Eliza Jeane Lee Housekeeper U 27 Housekeeper Middlesex, London Susan Roberg Servt U ?16?domestic Servant Essex Gt Chesterford Mary Ann Wynn Servt U 20 [illegible] Gt Chesterford 1841 census HO 107/1016 page 6 Parsonage Middelton with Fordley Suffolk Daniel Packard 30, born in county Sarah Packard 25, born in county Jane Packard 4, born in county Harrison Packard 3, born in county Emily Packard 1, born in county Emma Bezants 15 Female servant, born in county If you have more information on the Packards, I would be most interested in hearing from you. Harrison is my first cousin 5 times removed. Wishing you every success in your researches Giles Colchester, Researching COLCHESTER family, any spelling, any time, any place And PACKARD in Suffolk Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Helen Carter <helen.carter28@yahoo.com> Subject: [SFK-UK] PACKARD To: SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com I've got the PACKARD Family somewhat confused Can someone please lookup these 2 families in the?1841 Census and 1851 Census Rev. Harrison PACKARD wife Esther b.c1874 incumbent Middleton & Westleton, Rev. Daniel PACKARD (son of above)?b.c1810, wife Sarah ? also of Middleton Thankyou Helen

Hi Helen I see you are searching for Packard's? I would like to expand my Packard Tree. I Only have Oliver Jack Packard (1907) Who married my wife's Mother in Sept 1933 if you have any help on this please let me know Ivan Spain

I have returned from a week in Suffolk researching the names SANGSTER and PLUMMER to find 17 messages about the STIFF family on my computer. GREGORY STIFF married my great great grandmother EMMA PLUMMER in Stowlangtoft in 1869 after both their former partners had died. They were both aged 50. EMMA had had my great grandmother JANE PLUMMER, later BETTS, before then of course, so the STIFF family are not blood relations. However I would be interested to know something about the children Gregory had with his first wife. If anyone has this information I would be very interested to know. Shirley ( formerly Sangster)

John, Have you any interest in JAMES JESSOP who married ELIZABETH NUNN at St. Marys Church, Huntingfield, near Halesworth, Suffolk on 14th Feb 1777. Between 1778 and 1805 they had fourteen children. More info if interested Regards Alec Burwood ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Flint" <jflint_peru@yahoo.com> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] JESSUP/JESSOP Name interest > Hello Margaret, Rosemary and Suffolk Listers, > > I too have an interest in the Jessup family of the Norfolk/Suffolk border > area. > I am descended from the QUINTON/QUINTIN family who lived in the parishes > surrounding Diss and Eye in the 1500/1600s, and I am aware of the > following > three QUINTIN/JESSOP marriages: > > ELIZABETH QUINTIN m. JOHN JESSOP at Diss on 19 July 1607 > THOMAS QUINTIN of Eye m. ABIGAIL JESSOP of Occold about 1619 (they had > five > children between 1620 and 1627) > FRANCES QUINTIN of Scole m. NICHOLAS JESSOP at Scole on 2 July 1633 > > I suspect (but cannot conclusively prove) that my QUINTON line descends > through > THOMAS and ABIGAIL. Unfortunately many early parish records simply have > not > survived, and those that have are often far from complete. For instance at > Stuston there are no records whatsoever for 28 of the years between 1559 > and > 1630. Similarly, there are gaps in the surviving records for various other > North Suffolk parishes, especially Occold. Again at Stuston there is an > entry > in the Bishops’ transcripts for 1605 which stated that ‘many dyed of the > small > pockes’; the strange thing is that the actual burial register recorded > only 3 > deaths in 1605 and 4 in 1606! Another factor is that in general in early > parish > records there is a lack of vital information. Often baptism records gave > only > the name of the father, while burial records seldom provided details of > age at > death or the status of the deceased (widow, wife, spinster, husband, etc). > > > Fortunately, some of these QUINTONS left wills, as did ABIGAIL's father, > ADAM > JESOPE, who bequeathed a house and land at Occold to his son-in-law THOMAS > QUINTIN, and it appears that this same property remained in the QUINTON > family > for at least another 140 years. It is thus through land ownership, rather > than > parish records, that I have (tentatively) traced back my 17th/18th century > ancestry. > > I hope that this mail is sufficiently provocative to warrant a response > from > listers! > > John Quinton Flint > Peru, South America > > > ________________________________ > From: margaret jessup <maggie2lo@tiscali.co.uk> > To: SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 8:28:37 AM > Subject: [SFK-UK] Name interest > > I am new to this list so I just thought that I would post my name interest > in > Suffolk. > JESSUP/JESSOP. especially from the Thetford border area. > Margaret Jessup > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret, On my mothers side are a Jessop family. WILLIAM JESSOP who married ELIZABETH NUNN at St. Mary's Church, Huntingfield, near Halesworth on 14th February 1777. Between 1778 and 1805 they had fourteen children. The interest from my mothers side is in 4th son James bap 14th Nov 1784 later to marry Mary French. Have much detail about James, he joined the army, was caught with others stealing whilst stationed at Woodbridge, was sentenced to death, but then because of his good army record was sent to Van Dieman Land (Tasmania) aboard the convict ship 'Indefatigable' which left England on 9th May 1812 arriving Hobart 19th Oct 1812. His wife here died soon after his sailing. He never returned to this country, he married a convict girl and had four daughters, am in touch with descendents. His life in Tasmania was a rocky one but he did live to a good age. Can send all details if required, but it would have to be by post, to large to e-mail Success with your research Regards Alec Burwood ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret jessup" <maggie2lo@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Name interest >I am new to this list so I just thought that I would post my name interest >in Suffolk. > JESSUP/JESSOP. especially from the Thetford border area. > Margaret Jessup > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message