Hi Pat ! Thanks for putting me right on this ! - I hadn't used the CWGC site for quite a long while and I had completely forgotten about the 2nd page that you can get when you click on the man's name ! Silly me - old age creeping on !! Thanks also to Nivard for finding all the extra details on that other site - what a tough and heroic job they did on those convoys ! It makes my time on Fishery Patrol in the 1950s off Norway in winter- time look like an absolute picnic ! Brrrrrrrrrr ! Best Wishes ! Roger. ---------------------- On 15 Sep 2010, at 17:35, Patricia Bridges wrote: > My chum Roger wrote : ..... >> You can find most of the information that you need on the "CWGC" >> (Commonwealth War Graves Commission) website - all except >> the name of his ship ! > > > Ah ha! I beg to differ (or am I reading the information > incorrectly on the > page link that I gave earlier). > > The ship appears to be the M.V. Shillong (London) > > Best wishes, Pat ... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Partridge" <r.partridge@ukonline.co.uk> > To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com>; "Richard Clark" > <richard.clark47@ntlworld.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Re Bernhard Codd born c1912 Ipswich? >> Hi Richard & Listers !> >> You can find most of the information that you need on the "CWGC" >> (Commonwealth War Graves Commission) website - all except >> the name of his ship ! Their website is at> >> http://WWW.CWGC.ORG/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14 > > .....clipped..... >

There are lots of Emms in South Norfolk,especially around the Diss area,i have 30 alone from Tharston.Not too far away. Richard. Richard Myhill richardmyhill43@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Emms" <john@emms.freeserve.co.uk> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Emms > Hello Fellow Suffolk List members, > > I've been 'listening' on the list for a long time now and thought I would > ask if anyone is researching the 'Emms' family in Suffolk? I believe the > IGI's are not a lot of help because many parishes have not been submitted, > but I'm hoping that someone out there can help me trace back further in my > 'Emms' family please? My earliest information I have is as follows: > > James Emms (my 3x Great grand father) born 1796 in 'Barton?' Suffolk > I asked the researcher in Bury St Edmands archives Library to search for > James Emms but only came up with a marriage of William Emms and Mary Deeks > in Timworth, which backs on to Great Barton in 1787. I did a search on the > IGI's and discovered a James Eames C. 9/9/1792 in Sudbury IGI Batch No. > C026529. The parents were William Eames (note name change) and Mary Deeks > Eames . I thought this was too much of a coincidence and fingers crossed > are the persons I'm looking for. The 1841 census ref HO 107/701/6 for the > Borough of Tower Hamlets Limehouse informs that he was age 45 and had a > profession of Lockeeper. It also indicates that the family moved to London > between 1821 and 1826. In the 1851 census ref H.O107 1554 for Borough > ofTower Hamlets St. Annes, Limehouse, it informs that he was born in > Barton? Suffolk and had a profession of Dealer in Coal and Wood. > > Regards and good luck, > John Emms > email: john@emms.freeserve.co.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat You are quite correct, see my previous which has a nice write up Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > My chum Roger wrote : ..... >> You can find most of the information that you need on the "CWGC" >> (Commonwealth War Graves Commission) website - all except >> the name of his ship ! > > > Ah ha! I beg to differ (or am I reading the information incorrectly on > the > page link that I gave earlier). > > The ship appears to be the M.V. Shillong (London) > > Best wishes, Pat ...

Hi again Richard I think this may be of interest http://www.jwnewport.co.uk/HStory/A027/Casualty/Codd.htm >From http://www.jwnewport.co.uk/HStory/A027/Casualties.htm Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello listers > I wonder if any body can help or point me in the right direction? > A 1st cousin of mine was killed during WWII whilst serving in the > Merchant Marine. He would have died any time between 1940 and the end of > the war. I am looking for a date of death and name of the ship he was on. > Any suggestions would be most welcome > regards > Richard C

My chum Roger wrote : ..... > You can find most of the information that you need on the "CWGC" > (Commonwealth War Graves Commission) website - all except > the name of his ship ! Ah ha! I beg to differ (or am I reading the information incorrectly on the page link that I gave earlier). The ship appears to be the M.V. Shillong (London) Best wishes, Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Partridge" <r.partridge@ukonline.co.uk> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com>; "Richard Clark" <richard.clark47@ntlworld.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Re Bernhard Codd born c1912 Ipswich? > Hi Richard & Listers !> > You can find most of the information that you need on the "CWGC" > (Commonwealth War Graves Commission) website - all except > the name of his ship ! Their website is at> > http://WWW.CWGC.ORG/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14 .....clipped.....

And Description Medal listing of Codd, Bernhard Stanley Discharge number: R116825 Date 29 June 1912 Catalogue reference BT 395/1links to the Catalogue Dept Records of the Board of Trade and of successor and related bodies Series Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Database of World War II Medals issued to Merchant Seamen Piece Database of World War II medals issued to merchant seamen Image contains 1 medal listing of many for this collection Number of image files: 1 Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages Price (£) 14500 / 2286 PDF 1.2 1 95 1 3.50 Total Price (£) 3.50 Available for download from the National Archives I do not know if it might name the ships but suspect not Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello listers > I wonder if any body can help or point me in the right direction? > A 1st cousin of mine was killed during WWII whilst serving in the > Merchant Marine. He would have died any time between 1940 and the end of > the war. I am looking for a date of death and name of the ship he was on. > Any suggestions would be most welcome > regards > Richard C

Hi Richard & Listers ! You can find most of the information that you need on the "CWGC" (Commonwealth War Graves Commission) website - all except the name of his ship ! Their website is at http://WWW.CWGC.ORG/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14 then fill in the details in the boxes: Surname, Initial, War, Force (which is Merchant Navy) and Nationality (U.K.) and he comes up straightaway - Date of Death 5/April/1943; and the fact that he is commemorated on the Merchant Navy War Memorial at Tower Hill, London. But you may have to contact the Maritime Museum at Greenwich or the Imperial War Museum to find out the names of ships sunk on that day ?? Good Hunting ! Roger. ----------------------------------- On 15 Sep 2010, at 16:00, Richard Clark wrote: > Hello listers > I wonder if any body can help or point me in the right direction? > A 1st cousin of mine was killed during WWII whilst serving in the > Merchant Marine. He would have died any time between 1940 > and the end of the war. I am looking for a date of death and name > of the ship he was on. > Any suggestions would be most welcome > regards > Richard C > >

Is this your relative? http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2799013 Also found CODD , BERNHARD STANLEY Chief Engineer Officer 05/04/1943 age 30 Merchant Navy United Kingdom Panel 96.TOWER HILL MEMORIAL Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Clark" <richard.clark47@ntlworld.com> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Re Bernhard Codd born c1912 Ipswich? > Hello listers > I wonder if any body can help or point me in the right direction? > A 1st cousin of mine was killed during WWII whilst serving in the > Merchant Marine. He would have died any time between 1940 and the end of > the war. I am looking for a date of death and name of the ship he was on. > Any suggestions would be most welcome > regards > Richard C

Hello Fellow Suffolk List members, I've been 'listening' on the list for a long time now and thought I would ask if anyone is researching the 'Emms' family in Suffolk? I believe the IGI's are not a lot of help because many parishes have not been submitted, but I'm hoping that someone out there can help me trace back further in my 'Emms' family please? My earliest information I have is as follows: James Emms (my 3x Great grand father) born 1796 in 'Barton?' Suffolk I asked the researcher in Bury St Edmands archives Library to search for James Emms but only came up with a marriage of William Emms and Mary Deeks in Timworth, which backs on to Great Barton in 1787. I did a search on the IGI's and discovered a James Eames C. 9/9/1792 in Sudbury IGI Batch No. C026529. The parents were William Eames (note name change) and Mary Deeks Eames . I thought this was too much of a coincidence and fingers crossed are the persons I'm looking for. The 1841 census ref HO 107/701/6 for the Borough of Tower Hamlets Limehouse informs that he was age 45 and had a profession of Lockeeper. It also indicates that the family moved to London between 1821 and 1826. In the 1851 census ref H.O107 1554 for Borough ofTower Hamlets St. Annes, Limehouse, it informs that he was born in Barton? Suffolk and had a profession of Dealer in Coal and Wood. Regards and good luck, John Emms email: john@emms.freeserve.co.uk

Hello listers I wonder if any body can help or point me in the right direction? A 1st cousin of mine was killed during WWII whilst serving in the Merchant Marine. He would have died any time between 1940 and the end of the war. I am looking for a date of death and name of the ship he was on. Any suggestions would be most welcome regards Richard C -- -------------------------------------- This email and any attachments to it are confidential and intended solely for the individual or organisation to whom they are addressed. You must not copy or retransmit this e-mail or its attachments in whole or in part to anyone else without permission. If you have received this email in error, then please destroy it and contact the sender. This email has been scanned by ZoneAlarm. However, whilst I would never knowingly transmit anything containing a virus I cannot guarantee that this e-mail is virus-free and you should take all steps that you can to protect your systems against viruses.

Hello again, Found this information on Simon's web site with regard to the Chapel at Bulcamp. (http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/bulcamp.htm) quote .... the Chaplain here was Thomas Harrison. He received £50 a year (about £10,000 in today's money) for performing two services a week. He was also perpetual curate of Blythburgh itself, which brought in £45 annually (about £9,000 today) and Walberswick, £50 annually (£10,000 today). Given that Blythburgh had less than fifty in the congregation on a good day, and Walberswick only slightly more, it might be thought that the hundreds of souls here would have formed the greater part of his work. How fascinating it would be to go back in time and ask him.... unquote So records are most likely under Blythburgh, but possibly under Walberswick St Andrew? Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Wearing" <mwearing@eastlink.ca> To: "Patricia Bridges" <patricia@bridgessuffolk.plus.com>; <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] BULCHAMP House of Industry > Where would someone who was born at the Bulcamp House of Industry likely > be christened?> I have not found a christening for my ancestor Charles > NUNN, who was born about 1825 in Bulcamp, the son of Robert NUNN and Ann > JESUP. I have checked all the surrounding parishes plus Bramfield (where > they eventually settled).> Mike Wearing > Nova Scotia, Canada > >

Hello Mike, There was a chapel at Bulcamp, but I always understood that the records came under the parish of Blythburgh Holy Trinity. http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/bulcamp.htm Maybe someone who has experience of researching ancestors in Bulcamp can help further? Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Wearing" <mwearing@eastlink.ca> > Where would someone who was born at the Bulcamp House of Industry likely > be christened? I have not found a christening for my ancestor Charles > NUNN, who was born about 1825 in Bulcamp, the son of Robert NUNN and Ann > JESUP. I have checked all the surrounding parishes plus Bramfield (where > they eventually settled).> Mike Wearing > Nova Scotia, Canada

Hi Colin & Phil You beat me to it re looking at the past through todays eyes Perhaps also reflected by Phils liberal thoughts :-) In the period in question, the prisons were overflowing and things were getting out of hand, coupled with the need for labour in the colonies, so an obvious solution was to transport the prisoners to supply a source of labour at the same time as lowering the prison population It does not surprise me in the slightest that it was thought to be a good solution at the time, I also rather suspect that many sentences were passed on people who may have been innocent (no legal aid or clever barristers for them) However, theft is theft and you can't break the law "a bit" , you either do or you don't, of course the motivation behind the crime then was rather more desperate than perhaps today, no social services or support agencies but then as now there were career criminals So whether it was a silk handkerchief or pearls, its still breaking the law It could have been worse, uttering a forged note could result in hanging Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi , > I think you've made the mistake of looking at the past through modern > spectacles. > > Back then it was not a theft of "minimum value", as pearls were not the > common jewellery items that we know today. They were not cultured until > the early C20th, instead they were a treasured find, a rare natural > "gem". Pearls were more valued than diamonds. A pair of pearl earrings > was extravagant - a pearl necklace was the domain of the fabulously > wealthy. > > I suspect they were the sort of high-value contraband that a jewellery > thief couldn't have just pawned back then - he would need underworld > connections to find a 'fence' who could pass them on to a buyer. > So maybe he got off lightly with transportation for "just 10 years" ! > > Best regards, > -- > Colin Fenn > London

Bulcamp was originally a very good Union House where families lived together. Later it became a really dreadful place with segretation and hard labour, gradually being improved by the Victorians and becoming the local hospital for that area of the county (see more on Simon's website). A pair of pearl earrings? a rare commodity in those days. Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil White" <pwgrandmapa@comcast.net> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:55 AM Subject: [SFK-UK] BULCHAMP House of Industry > Many thanks Nivard, once again you have come up with a good answer. The > piece you sent me certainly does fit and provides an interesting > description of the practices at the old Workhouses, certainly shows a > great deal of just plain cruelty by the ruling classes of the day. > In my search for the Osborne family in Suffolk I also recvd some > data about a member of the family transported to Tasmania after breaking > and entering a house and stealing two things of minimum value, 2 pearl > earings and a silver coin Result 10 years transportation. Shows > very little concern for less fortunate people, and almost a vicious > attitude. > > Anyway Thanks again Nivard, and I might also add that Mevagissey is one > of my very favorite spots in Cornwall

Phil White <pwgrandmapa@comcast.net> writes > In my search for the Osborne family in Suffolk I also recvd some >data about a member of the family transported to Tasmania after >breaking and entering a house and stealing two things of minimum value, >2 pearl earings and a silver coin Result 10 years transportation. >Shows very little concern for less fortunate people, and almost a >vicious attitude. ---------- Hi , I think you've made the mistake of looking at the past through modern spectacles. Back then it was not a theft of "minimum value", as pearls were not the common jewellery items that we know today. They were not cultured until the early C20th, instead they were a treasured find, a rare natural "gem". Pearls were more valued than diamonds. A pair of pearl earrings was extravagant - a pearl necklace was the domain of the fabulously wealthy. I suspect they were the sort of high-value contraband that a jewellery thief couldn't have just pawned back then - he would need underworld connections to find a 'fence' who could pass them on to a buyer. So maybe he got off lightly with transportation for "just 10 years" ! Best regards, -- Colin Fenn London

Where would someone who was born at the Bulcamp House of Industry likely be christened? I have not found a christening for my ancestor Charles NUNN, who was born about 1825 in Bulcamp, the son of Robert NUNN and Ann JESUP. I have checked all the surrounding parishes plus Bramfield (where they eventually settled). Mike Wearing Nova Scotia, Canada

Stuston: http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/stuston.html and Stutton: http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/stutton.html There is also a Sutton. Incidentally, if you confuse Stuston and Stutton, you are in good company! Nikolaus Pevsner, in 'The Buildings of England: Suffolk', places Stutton's Romano-British remains on the banks of the River Waveney, 40 miles away! They are, of course, not in Stutton at all, but at Stuston - looks like his card index file got mixed up :-) Simon Knott www.suffolkchurches.co.uk On 14/09/2010 23:49, Elizabeth Inmon wrote: > Hello Phil, > > Others have kindly told you the location of Stuston but William Stannard was > my 2nd great grandfather. Mary Osborne was his first wife, Sophia Burrows > his second wife was my 2nd great grandmother. I have many of the Stuston > parish records on microfiche so can also give you information (if you don't > already have it) on William and Mary. Mary died 1 April 1844 and I'm quite > sure I have her death certificate. Let me know if I can help in any way. > > Elizabeth > PS You may be familiar with Simon's (can't remember his last name) site for > Suffolk Churches and Stuston is on that. I also have a picture of the > church if you would like it forwarded. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Phil White"<pwgrandmapa@comcast.net> > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:50 PM > To:<suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [SFK-UK] STUSTON Suffolk > >> Hi Folks, Another question re Suffolk IGI has a Mary Osborne and >> William Stanard marriage at STUSTON Suffolk on 12 Oct 1824, >> but I cannot locate the village Think it was STUTTON but need some >> opinions Phil White in NH USA >

www.suffolkchurches.co.uk Pat ... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Inmon" <elizabethinmon@verizon.net> clipped .. . . . . > PS You may be familiar with Simon's (can't remember his last name) site > for > Suffolk Churches and Stuston is on that. I also have a picture of the > church if you would like it forwarded. > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Phil White" <pwgrandmapa@comcast.net> >> Hi Folks, Another question re Suffolk IGI has a Mary Osborne and >> William Stanard marriage at STUSTON Suffolk on 12 Oct 1824, >> but I cannot locate the village Think it was STUTTON but need some >> opinions Phil White in NH USA

Phil This should be Bulcamp. It's a hamlet between Blythburgh and Halesworth. The house of industry was the workhouse for Blything Union. I have seen the spelling Bulchamp before. I think they were influenced by Belchamp in Essex. Dudley -------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil White" <pwgrandmapa@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:33 PM To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SFK-UK] Houses of Industry-Suffolk > Hello Folks, I have found an IGI entry for a birth at "Bulchamp House of > Industry" but cannot find any other listing of such in the lists of such > workhouse , Can anyone help? Phil White in New Hampshire USA Roots on > Sussex & IOW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Phil Stuston is a village just south of Diss, near the border with Norfolk. Stutton is way down near the Essex border, south of Ipswich. So if your Osbornes and Stanards are located near one of those places, that should guide you to the right village. Best wishes Dudley -------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil White" <pwgrandmapa@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:50 PM To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SFK-UK] STUSTON Suffolk > Hi Folks, Another question re Suffolk IGI has a Mary Osborne and > William Stanard marriage at STUSTON Suffolk on 12 Oct 1824, > but I cannot locate the village Think it was STUTTON but need some > opinions Phil White in NH USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >