Hi List Is there someone who has access to England & Wales Christening Records, 1530 - 1906 ? I am looking for the record for; James Lustrous FRESTON Male Birth Date: abt 1821 Christening Date: 30 Dec 1821 Christening Place: St Clement Ipswich, Suffolk, England Fathers name: James Freston Mothers name: Mary I would like to know . If it really is Lustrous, it seems like such an unusual name. Could it be Augustus? Augustus is used in another family members name. . Does the record give the Mothers maiden name? I think it may be QUINTON who married a James FRESTON in Wingfield in 1819 . Are there any other children to this couple? Thank you in advance for any help or suggestions, it is greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Janine Fisher Geelong Australia

Thank you to everyone for helping me with my divorce query. Regards, Syd

Hi Pat, That was very interesting. William Spanton Jnr, was a photographer like his father and it was interesting to see that H I Jarman was also living at the same address maybe they were linked my marriage. William Jnr died in 1930 so I wonder if Jarman took over when William died. I saw the Jarman Spanton collection online and there are some great photo's. Thank again this is great information to have. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Bridges<mailto:patricia@bridgessuffolk.plus.com> To: suffolk@rootsweb.com<mailto:suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] 1851-1861 census Bury St Edmund_SPANTON Lori, I have the little booklet, 'An Abbeygate Street Story, memories of Abbeygate Street in the 1920s and 30s' by Dudley White, in the index it shows that H Jarman was the photographer at number 16. On page 7 there is a reproduction of an advertisement for H I Jarman. It would appear that the famous Jarman photographers were a part of the extended Spanton family. H I Jarman Art Photographer Proprietor of J Palmer Clarke's Negatives Children's Portraits a Speciality Personal Attention to all Sitters Groups and Outdoor Photography Oil Paintings and Prints carefully restored Picture Framing ---------------- Agent for Winsor and Newton's Artist colours and requisites ---------------------------- 16, Abbeygate Street, Bury St Edmund's. ------------------------------------------ Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "LORI ADKINS" <lacodak@msn.com<mailto:lacodak@msn.com>> > Hi Marg, Thank you so much for that. I also found it quite interesting as I have a lot of old photographs and on the back they show "W.S. SPANTON Photographers, 16 Abbey Gate Street, Bury St Edmunds" So they must have had living quarters at they same place of their business..... clipped ........ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marg, Thank you so much for that. I also found it quite interesting as I have a lot of old photographs and on the back they show "W.S. SPANTON Photographers, 16 Abbey Gate Street, Bury St Edmunds" So they must have had living quarters at they same place of their business. There surname may have been spelt differently on the 1851 census. Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac and Marj McCulley<mailto:mcculley@wideband.net.au> To: suffolk@rootsweb.com<mailto:suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] 1851-1861 census Bury St Edmund_SPANTON Hi Lori In 1861 living at 16 Abbeygate Street There were no more children The Mother is Sarah born 1820 BSE Living in the same house is the Grandmother Hannah Spanton aged 57 and a Shopwoman. There is also a servant. William appears to be a very multi talented gentleman. He is listed as Plumber, Glazier Painter, Paper Hanger, Decorator and Carver of Silver. No mention of photographer so maybe he added that to his repertoire later on! I will keep looking for them in 1851 Marj. -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LORI ADKINS Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2010 3:37 PM To: SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com<mailto:SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SFK-UK] 1851-1861 census Bury St Edmund_SPANTON Hello, would someone be kind enough to find a family on the 1851-1861 census for Bury St Edmund. Family are as follows.... William SPANTON brn 1823 Bury St Edmund married in 1843 to ? Children: William Silas SPANTON brn 1845 Bury St Edmund Sarah Rebecca SPANTON brn 1850 Bury St Edmund Hannah Kate SPANTON brn 1852 Bury St Edmund Both William Snr and Jnr were photographers I am trying to find out the mother of these children, and to see if they had anymore children after Hannah. Thank you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, Thanks for that. I will have a look. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Bridges<mailto:patricia@bridgessuffolk.plus.com> To: suffolk@rootsweb.com<mailto:suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] 1851-1861 census Bury St Edmund_SPANTON The Bury St Edmunds Past and Present Society* have the Spanton Jarman collection of photographs and glass plate negs. http://www.burypastandpresent.org.uk/<http://www.burypastandpresent.org.uk/> *Local History Group for Bury. Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "LORI ADKINS" <lacodak@msn.com<mailto:lacodak@msn.com>> > Hello, would someone be kind enough to find a family on the 1851-1861 > census for Bury St Edmund. Family are as follows.... > > William SPANTON brn 1823 Bury St Edmund married in 1843 to ? > Children: > William Silas SPANTON brn 1845 Bury St Edmund > Sarah Rebecca SPANTON brn 1850 Bury St Edmund > Hannah Kate SPANTON brn 1852 Bury St Edmund > > Both William Snr and Jnr were photographers> > I am trying to find out the mother of these children, and to see if they > had anymore children after Hannah.> > Thank you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Bury St Edmunds Past and Present Society* have the Spanton Jarman collection of photographs and glass plate negs. http://www.burypastandpresent.org.uk/ *Local History Group for Bury. Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "LORI ADKINS" <lacodak@msn.com> > Hello, would someone be kind enough to find a family on the 1851-1861 > census for Bury St Edmund. Family are as follows.... > > William SPANTON brn 1823 Bury St Edmund married in 1843 to ? > Children: > William Silas SPANTON brn 1845 Bury St Edmund > Sarah Rebecca SPANTON brn 1850 Bury St Edmund > Hannah Kate SPANTON brn 1852 Bury St Edmund > > Both William Snr and Jnr were photographers> > I am trying to find out the mother of these children, and to see if they > had anymore children after Hannah.> > Thank you.

Hi Lori In 1861 living at 16 Abbeygate Street There were no more children The Mother is Sarah born 1820 BSE Living in the same house is the Grandmother Hannah Spanton aged 57 and a Shopwoman. There is also a servant. William appears to be a very multi talented gentleman. He is listed as Plumber, Glazier Painter, Paper Hanger, Decorator and Carver of Silver. No mention of photographer so maybe he added that to his repertoire later on! I will keep looking for them in 1851 Marj. -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LORI ADKINS Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2010 3:37 PM To: SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] 1851-1861 census Bury St Edmund_SPANTON Hello, would someone be kind enough to find a family on the 1851-1861 census for Bury St Edmund. Family are as follows.... William SPANTON brn 1823 Bury St Edmund married in 1843 to ? Children: William Silas SPANTON brn 1845 Bury St Edmund Sarah Rebecca SPANTON brn 1850 Bury St Edmund Hannah Kate SPANTON brn 1852 Bury St Edmund Both William Snr and Jnr were photographers I am trying to find out the mother of these children, and to see if they had anymore children after Hannah. Thank you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James William CROW[E]was, I think the James Crowe at Sustead Norfolk in 1841. He m Eleanor Sophia TOLVER 1853 Yarmouth Reg Dist. Dau Rebecca b 1855 Chesterton Cambs, Ellen 1857 Bury S E. none found in 1861. 1871 Eleanor & daughters in Westminster & she is head of the household, 81 & 91 Ipswich (Elena) where she died 1894. James died in B SE January 1880. In 1876 on his dau Rebecca's marriage cert. he was a whitesmith. I have tried initials, all variations. Certificates will not help to try to find him or about the family life. The family had a chequered lifestyle - Rebecca 'ran away with her daughter Florence's boyfriend' but I don't know when & I found a marriage in 1917 to Herbert H RAWKINS in Camberwell, just after her husband Edward Foulsham died! Thanks for reading this, any help or suggestions appreciated. Jo

The spelling of parish names varied considerably over time and one spelling is no more correct than the other. There's no point in saying 'this' is definitively correct, when 'that' was correct at another time and that's what one should be searching for. Anne South Australia Phil White wrote: > Hi Folks, AS I said in my previous email I am working on putting > together a clear and accurate file of the Registration Districts in > Suffolk for the period from abt 1841(1836)to 1911 (1937) and am finding > conflicting data on the most common websites that cover such data. > I have been using The GENUKI site, but it is here I find "errors", in > spelling of Parishes and unless one is very familiar with Suffolk, and I > am not, they are not easy to check. Also I have been using the maps of > R.D's and here again are spelling differences, and in the case of > Hartismere RD one parish is not named. That is why I asked if someone > had previous experience along this line. > Nivard says I appear to be re-inventing the wheel but he is wrong, I am > building a wheel for my "Vehicle", try putting a Volkswagen wheel on a > Jaguar. What I am trying to do is put a reference file together for a > nephew in New Zealand who has not done any genealogical researc, and to > save him time while he learns am attempting to put basic references > together in one file so he doesnt have to hunt so much while he learns. > I apologise for the soap box. Phil White in New Hampshire USA Roots > in Sussex and IOW

It should have the name she goes by which would be her ex-husband, but if she has gone back to her maiden name it should give any other name she used This is the same if a someone changes their name by deed poll they have the name they use plus what was their previous name I know this for a fact as it happened to my DD when she got married Regards Janice -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Syd Hockey Sent: 04 October 2010 17:11 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] DIVORCE Hello Everybody, When A lady has divorced her husband and then remarries will the G.R.O.entry for her new Marriage be in her maiden name or the name of her first husband. Thanks for any help. Regards, Syd

Hi Phil Sorry to harp on but you are trying to reinvent the wheel There has been a great deal of work ploughed into Genuki and should there be any inaccuracies or errors I am sure they would be glad to hear of them, rather than try and do the whole thing again You say you have found spelling differences and a missing Parish but don't name them As spelling has been very much a floating affair over the centuries I am not in the least surprised you have found more than one for the same place Perhaps if you mention the places you are having trouble with listers can advise better Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Folks, AS I said in my previous email I am working on putting > together a clear and accurate file of the Registration Districts in > Suffolk for the period from abt 1841(1836)to 1911 (1937) and am finding > conflicting data on the most common websites that cover such data. > I have been using The GENUKI site, but it is here I find "errors", in

Hello, would someone be kind enough to find a family on the 1851-1861 census for Bury St Edmund. Family are as follows.... William SPANTON brn 1823 Bury St Edmund married in 1843 to ? Children: William Silas SPANTON brn 1845 Bury St Edmund Sarah Rebecca SPANTON brn 1850 Bury St Edmund Hannah Kate SPANTON brn 1852 Bury St Edmund Both William Snr and Jnr were photographers I am trying to find out the mother of these children, and to see if they had anymore children after Hannah. Thank you.

Hi Phil You appear to be trying to reinvent the wheel <g> See http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/ Where you will find http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/sfk.htm Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Folks, I am working on putting together a clear and accurate file of > the Registration Districts in Suffolk for the period from abt 1841(1836) > to 1911 (1937) and am finding conflicting data on the most common > websites that cover such data. Can anyone advise me of the most(or > completely ) accurate source. Phil White in New Hampshire USA Roots > in Sussex and IOW

Hi Folks, AS I said in my previous email I am working on putting together a clear and accurate file of the Registration Districts in Suffolk for the period from abt 1841(1836)to 1911 (1937) and am finding conflicting data on the most common websites that cover such data. I have been using The GENUKI site, but it is here I find "errors", in spelling of Parishes and unless one is very familiar with Suffolk, and I am not, they are not easy to check. Also I have been using the maps of R.D's and here again are spelling differences, and in the case of Hartismere RD one parish is not named. That is why I asked if someone had previous experience along this line. Nivard says I appear to be re-inventing the wheel but he is wrong, I am building a wheel for my "Vehicle", try putting a Volkswagen wheel on a Jaguar. What I am trying to do is put a reference file together for a nephew in New Zealand who has not done any genealogical researc, and to save him time while he learns am attempting to put basic references together in one file so he doesnt have to hunt so much while he learns. I apologise for the soap box. Phil White in New Hampshire USA Roots in Sussex and IOW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Syd, The site below does give a good explanation. A registrar once told me the rules for any bmd registration in England and Wales. The name put down should be the one the person is using at the time of the event. They should also add any names under which they used in the past (name changes, maiden names, previous marriages etc.). So in your case if she reverted to her maiden name then the marriage should have been registered in her maiden name. No proof of who you were/are was required. However this is not explained to all parties so you could get anything. Add to that I have found marriage certificates can rather fictious. I have one for a very close relative where the groom declares himself a batchelor (he was divorced), he gave the incorrect name for his father and the bride's age is incorrect. Difficult if you are searching for a second marriage. Best wishes, Dorri ---------------------------------------- > From: segansmith@blueyonder.co.uk > To: suffolk@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:21:00 +0100 > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] DIVORCE > > > Hello Syd > > You may find the explantion of the data on the certificate given at this > site helpful > > http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm > > Regards > > Simon > >> >> Hello Everybody, >> When A lady has divorced her husband and then >> remarries will the G.R.O.entry for her new Marriage be in her maiden >> name >> or the name of her first husband. Thanks for any help. >> Regards, >> Syd >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Syd It *should* be under her last used name (ie her previous married name) But doesn't always I have known a divorcee to be under her maiden name, her previous married name and even under a first married name where she then married again Sorry its not going to clear things for but thats the way of it In more recent years (say last 40, 50 years or so) there was often proof of identity requested but before that nothing was required so the bride or groom could say more or less what they wanted and it was taken as such Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hello Everybody, > When A lady has divorced her husband and then > remarries will the G.R.O.entry for her new Marriage be in her maiden > name > or the name of her first husband. Thanks for any help. > Regards, > Syd >

Hello Syd You may find the explantion of the data on the certificate given at this site helpful http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm Regards Simon > > Hello Everybody, > When A lady has divorced her husband and then > remarries will the G.R.O.entry for her new Marriage be in her maiden > name > or the name of her first husband. Thanks for any help. > Regards, > Syd >

Hello Everybody, When A lady has divorced her husband and then remarries will the G.R.O.entry for her new Marriage be in her maiden name or the name of her first husband. Thanks for any help. Regards, Syd

Hi Folks, I am working on putting together a clear and accurate file of the Registration Districts in Suffolk for the period from abt 1841(1836) to 1911 (1937) and am finding conflicting data on the most common websites that cover such data. Can anyone advise me of the most(or completely ) accurate source. Phil White in New Hampshire USA Roots in Sussex and IOW

Hi Sue Many thanks! I have no idea where I found HOWELL!! HOWLETT unlocks all the mysteries and the family is found! Regards Marj. -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Hodgson Sent: Monday, 4 October 2010 12:36 AM To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Earl Stonham Hello Marj I've looked up the marriage in Earl Stonham and the groom is down as William HOWLETT from Henley Regards Sue