Hello Jo The James William CROW who married Eleanor Sophia TOLVER at Great Yarmouth (St Nicholas) in March 1853 was an army surgeon, probably baptized at Bradwell in 1826. His parents were James and Sophia CROW(E) of Gorleston. He died at sea or on the island of Madeira in 1863. His widow Eleanor was a daughter of Samuel TOLVER (c.1779-1865), the Town Clerk at Yarmouth for many years. She died at Southport, Lancashire, in 1870. More details can be found in the indexes of wills and administrations (e.g. Ancestry's new collection: National Probate Calendar, 1861-1941) and in 19th-century newspapers (accessible free if you join Lancashire's Online Reference Library: http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries/borrower/join.asp). But I think you are trying to trace the couple who were married at the parish church of St Bartholomew Moor Lane (Moorfields) in the City of London on 12 July 1852 after banns (Ancestry / Guildhall Library): James William CROW, 27, bachelor, whitesmith, 10 Chiswell St, father James Isaac CROW, whitesmith & Ellen HAYWARD, 28, widow, charwoman, 10 Chiswell St, father John BROWN, stonepaviour They both signed the register. The witnesses were Edward MAY and Elizabeth MAY. They had already been together for more than a year, judging from the census of March 1851, when whitesmith James CROW (26, b. Bury St Edmunds) and his "Wife" Ellen (26, b. Ipswich) were lodging at 2 Corn Exchange Street, Cambridge. In 1841, 15-year-old James CROW (not born in Suffolk) and apparently four younger siblings were in Brent Govel Street, Bury St Edmunds, with James CROW (40, smith) and Rebecca CROW (40). The 1851 census shows bell-hanger Isaac James CROWE (50, b. Bury St Edmunds) at 28 Brentgovel St with his wife Rebecca (51, b. Wickham St Pauls [Essex]) and two daughters. Although Isaac James CROWE and Rebecca HALE had married at Bury St Edmunds in 1824, James (possibly their first child) may well have been born in Essex if his mother's parents were there. Rebecca Mary CROWE was buried in St James, Bury St Edmunds, at the age of 56 in 1855, a few years before Isaac James CROWE married Jane JONES (1859 Q1, Bury St E. district). Many of the 1861 returns are missing. I found only James CROW (60, whitesmith & greengrocer) and his wife Jane (42) at 1 Church Lane, Islington, Middlesex. In 1871 widower Isaac James CROW (70) and his married son James William (46) were at 13a St John's Street, Bury St Edmunds. They were whitesmiths, both recorded as born at Bury St Eds. The Bury St Edmunds whitesmiths in Kelly's directories of Suffolk include James CROWE at 18 Butter Market in 1858 (page 577) and James Isaac CROW at 13 St John's St in 1865 (p. 652). Jane, the wife of James CROWE of 13 St John St, was buried in the cemetery at Bury St Edmunds in August 1870, aged 52, followed by whitesmith Isaac James CROWE of the same address in May 1873, aged 72, and tinman James William CROWE of 13a St Johns St in 1880, aged 54. And that's where "Mrs." CROW was listed as a whitesmith in White's December 1874 directory (p. 586), although not under the whitesmiths, locksmiths & bellhangers in the trades section (p. 767). This seems unlikely to have been Ellen / Eleanor, since her husband was still alive at that time and she had been in London in 1871, but her Suffolk background looks fairly clear: 1809 Widower John BROWN m. Charlotte TURNER Ipswich (St Clement) 28 June (Suffolk Marriage Index) 1820 Eleanor daur of John & Charlotte BROWN bap. Ipswich (St Clement) 17 March (IGI) 1841 Salt House Lane, Ipswich (St Clement): Ellen BROWN (18; b. c.1823) with labourer John HAYWARD (25) & charwoman Charlotte BROWN (60) 1843 Q4 Ipswich district marriages: Ellen BROWN & John HAYWARD 1844 Charlotte BROWN of Albion Street bur. Ipswich (Holy Trinity) 8 June, aged 66 (Suffolk Burial Index) Best of luck with your research David Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:32:44 +0100 From: jo mason <jo.mason@swsmail.net> Subject: [SFK-UK] lost in 1851,61,71 census CROW[E] & TOLVER To: suffolk@rootsweb.com James William CROW[E]was, I think the James Crowe at Sustead Norfolk in 1841. He m Eleanor Sophia TOLVER 1853 Yarmouth Reg Dist. Dau Rebecca b 1855 Chesterton Cambs, Ellen 1857 Bury S E. none found in 1861. 1871 Eleanor & daughters in Westminster & she is head of the household, 81 & 91 Ipswich (Elena) where she died 1894. James died in B SE January 1880. In 1876 on his dau Rebecca's marriage cert. he was a whitesmith. ... Jo

Dear All, This is slightly off-topic but I thought the listers might find it interesting. In 1958, when I was about to get married, I discovered a spelling mistake on my middle name on my Birth Certificate. My father contacted the Registrar at Stockport and the error was put right. The replacement certificate has on it: 'Clerical error in Col.2. Corrected on the 24th March 1958 by me Eric Thorniley Superintendent Registrar in the presence of ........ Father on the authority of the Registrar General.' Best wishes to all, Frank Huxley

Hi all Thanks for the many and varied answers to my question all are very helpful and welcome. Some specific details, to assist further with further replies The birth of the first child was registered during the quarter ending June 1903. The birth of the second child was registered by the quarter ending September 1904. The parents, both single, married during the quarter ending December 1904. The bride raised her age by 2 years on the marriage certificate! The first child married in during the quarter ending June 1925, the mother's maiden surname was used in this case. The second child married in 1941; the father's surname was used in this marriage Both children had their births re-registered during the quarter ending March 1935 Below is from my 1st message viz: In 1935, the births of these two children were re-registered by the FATHER, (same volume and page number), with him indicating that he was the father, i.e he re-registered them with his surname. Nivard (and anyone ) can you please offer me your wisdom and any further comments on this matter? I do have a very poor photocopy of 1935 birth certificate of one of these two children. Column 8 of this document: When Registered says "Nineteenth January 1935, On the authority of the Register General." The words "On the authority of the Register General", appear to be the only difference between this 1935 birth certificate and a normal birth certificate. Any further wisdom and advice gratefully accepted eddie tricker Australia

I am looking for a Rev Robert HOWETT said to have had a parish in Suffolk after his return from India .Wether this is correct i don't know but need to see if i can get it checked .Any suggestions please. Jean Lees

Hi Eddie The wording should be "On the authority of the Registrar General" (not Register) That wording is used for a change to a registration, or a late registration or registration out of district (if I remember correctly, there may be more) I do not know if the local registrar sought that approval or if it was just a indication the Registrar General would be notified (I think the latter) I do not think there will be anything recorded at GRO level but would ask the local registrar if they have mention of the reason, they may not tell you of course but worth asking , I believe the local Registrar keeps a record of those changes but I don't know how detailed that record might be, as it was the right of the father to do so there may be no reason In my opinion I would suggest its more likely to do with inheritance than anything else, it does not seem as though it was to hide the illegitimacy as one had already married by the time of reregistration Perhaps the father went to make a will and it was mentioned to him, or one or other of his children wanted it doing if they needed to supply a birth cert for some reason (passport for example) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi all > Thanks for the many and varied answers to my question all are very > helpful and welcome. > > Some specific details, to assist further with further replies > > The birth of the first child was registered during the quarter ending > June 1903. The birth of the second child was registered by the > quarter ending September 1904.

Last year my daughter got married her husband was the father of both children and he and my daughter had gone to register the birth of both children and therefore he was included as the father. After the marrige my daughter went to reregister both children as the law requires. However the father was working and i was allowed to go with her and look after the two children. i was surprised that i was allowed to go in with my daughter and I can confirm that the registrar went though the details from the original registration and enteed it on the register, electronic this days of course.. The only difference that I can see is that my daughter now uses her married name with the usual note of her maiden name. Ken

Giles, I can have a look for you. How will I know if it mentions the house? Does the house have a name, or am I looking for a surname? Dudley -------------------------------------------------- From: "Giles Colchester" <gsc@mydsq.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:54 PM To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SFK-UK] History of Ipswich by GR Clarke of 1830 > Does anyone happen to have a copy of a History of Ipswich by GR Clarke of > 1830 and could do a look up for me on what it says about St Peter's street > Ipswich in it? I have been told that it refers to the house where by ggg > grandfather lived. > > > > Giles Colchester, > > Researching COLCHESTER family, any spelling, any time, any place > > And PACKARD in Suffolk > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all Looking for some help, by way of explanation, of a couple of birth re-registrations for a couple of my family members. Two members of a family were born out of wedlock, so as is the case each of these two children bore their mother's maiden surname at birth. These births occurred in the early 1900s. The father subsequently married the mother, shortly after the birth of the 2nd child. In 1935, the births of these two children were re-registered by the father, with him indicating that he was the father, i.e he re-registered them with his surname. On what grounds under English law, at that time, (1935), could the initial birth registrations of these children be overturned; from mother's maiden surname to father's surname??? Nivard (and anyone ) can you please offer me your wisdom on this matter? eddie tricker Australia

Does anyone happen to have a copy of a History of Ipswich by GR Clarke of 1830 and could do a look up for me on what it says about St Peter's street Ipswich in it? I have been told that it refers to the house where by ggg grandfather lived. Giles Colchester, Researching COLCHESTER family, any spelling, any time, any place And PACKARD in Suffolk

Up untill at least the 1970 a birth could be re-registered up to at 1 year after the birth if the parents got married only proof of marriage and filling in the relevent forms stating that he was the father. There was a set period in which one could do this after the marriage. There will be a note on the subseguent birth certs stating that the re- registration was on the authority of the registar general of England. I know because I was one of those parents. Honor Please don't judge me on what I have achieved, but what I have overcome. Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body. Rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" ________________________________ From: Eddie Tricker <etricker@ozemail.com.au> To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 10 October, 2010 12:37:27 Subject: [SFK-UK] Birth Re-Registrations Hi all Looking for some help, by way of explanation, of a couple of birth re-registrations for a couple of my family members. Two members of a family were born out of wedlock, so as is the case each of these two children bore their mother's maiden surname at birth. These births occurred in the early 1900s. The father subsequently married the mother, shortly after the birth of the 2nd child. In 1935, the births of these two children were re-registered by the father, with him indicating that he was the father, i.e he re-registered them with his surname. On what grounds under English law, at that time, (1935), could the initial birth registrations of these children be overturned; from mother's maiden surname to father's surname??? Nivard (and anyone ) can you please offer me your wisdom on this matter? eddie tricker Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Legitimacy Act 1926 The Act allowed children to be legitimised by the subsequent marriage of their parents, provided that neither parent had been married to a third party at the time of the birth. When this occurred the legitimised birth was re-entered in the birth indexes for that year (sometimes many years after the original birth). The original entry would be annotated to refer to the new entry. Adrian

A interesting one Eddie .my son was born out of wedlock almost 25 yrs ago now ,we had him re registered as he would not have had a claim on house ect in event of my husband out living me.. But son born after marriage would have . not sure how things would have gone in 1900. i shall watch with interest . Jean On 10 October 2010 12:37, Eddie Tricker <etricker@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > Hi all > > Looking for some help, by way of explanation, of a couple of birth > re-registrations for a couple of my family members. > > Two members of a family were born out of wedlock, so as is the case > each of these two children bore their mother's maiden surname at > birth. These births occurred in the early 1900s. > > The father subsequently married the mother, shortly after the birth > of the 2nd child. > > In 1935, the births of these two children were re-registered by the > father, with him indicating that he was the father, i.e he > re-registered them with his surname. > > On what grounds under English law, at that time, (1935), could the > initial birth registrations of these children be overturned; from > mother's maiden surname to father's surname??? > > Nivard (and anyone ) can you please offer me your wisdom on this matter? > > eddie tricker > Australia > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Little known fact: Apparently a re-registration is required by law to reflect the fact that the parents have married since the child's birth. (from my local government web site) Dorri ---------------------------------------- > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: suffolk@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:14:25 +0100 > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Birth Re-Registrations > > Hi Eddie > > Re the Acts Parliament relevant to Civil Registration (and more besides) see > :- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/actind.htm > > But as with all things they are open to a certain amount of interpretation > depending upon the individual person applying the law > > They can be heavy reading :-( > > The following goes some way to explain what you should find on various > Certificates and why > http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm > > But the original birth registrations were not overturned, they will still be > there , where there is a change or addition there will be a new registration > at that time > > For them to reregister the births under the fathers & mothers names they > would both have to be present, in the original case if the mother went on > her own and was asked if she was married and answered no, the Registrar > should not have entered the fathers details (name and occupation) even if > they were living together as man and wife > > In the years up to about the last 40 or so there was little asked (if > anything) in the way of proof, so if a mother turned up and said she was > married that was taken as such > > The reasons for the later registration could be many, to legitimise the > births, for removing doubt over inheritance, the father wanting to claim > paternity etc > > These days there is a statutory declaration form which the party registering > the birth can give to the Registrar but I don't think that came in much > before the 1980's > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Hi all >> >> Looking for some help, by way of explanation, of a couple of birth >> re-registrations for a couple of my family members. >> >> Two members of a family were born out of wedlock, so as is the case >> each of these two children bore their mother's maiden surname at >> birth. These births occurred in the early 1900s. >> >> The father subsequently married the mother, shortly after the birth >> of the 2nd child. >> >> In 1935, the births of these two children were re-registered by the >> father, with him indicating that he was the father, i.e he >> re-registered them with his surname. >> >> On what grounds under English law, at that time, (1935), could the >> initial birth registrations of these children be overturned; from >> mother's maiden surname to father's surname??? >> >> Nivard (and anyone ) can you please offer me your wisdom on this matter? >> >> eddie tricker >> Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eddie Re the Acts Parliament relevant to Civil Registration (and more besides) see :- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/actind.htm But as with all things they are open to a certain amount of interpretation depending upon the individual person applying the law They can be heavy reading :-( The following goes some way to explain what you should find on various Certificates and why http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm But the original birth registrations were not overturned, they will still be there , where there is a change or addition there will be a new registration at that time For them to reregister the births under the fathers & mothers names they would both have to be present, in the original case if the mother went on her own and was asked if she was married and answered no, the Registrar should not have entered the fathers details (name and occupation) even if they were living together as man and wife In the years up to about the last 40 or so there was little asked (if anything) in the way of proof, so if a mother turned up and said she was married that was taken as such The reasons for the later registration could be many, to legitimise the births, for removing doubt over inheritance, the father wanting to claim paternity etc These days there is a statutory declaration form which the party registering the birth can give to the Registrar but I don't think that came in much before the 1980's Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi all > > Looking for some help, by way of explanation, of a couple of birth > re-registrations for a couple of my family members. > > Two members of a family were born out of wedlock, so as is the case > each of these two children bore their mother's maiden surname at > birth. These births occurred in the early 1900s. > > The father subsequently married the mother, shortly after the birth > of the 2nd child. > > In 1935, the births of these two children were re-registered by the > father, with him indicating that he was the father, i.e he > re-registered them with his surname. > > On what grounds under English law, at that time, (1935), could the > initial birth registrations of these children be overturned; from > mother's maiden surname to father's surname??? > > Nivard (and anyone ) can you please offer me your wisdom on this matter? > > eddie tricker > Australia

If it had been just after 1926 I would have immediately thought of legal adoption, which until then had not been possible, to regularise the situation under law. But it could still be a possibility. How early in the 1900s? Could 1935 have coincided with either the coming of age (at 21) or the marriage of one of the children when the family wanted to make a "togetherness" statement? Just a couple of thoughts. Anne On 10 October 2010 12:37, Eddie Tricker <etricker@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > Hi all > > Looking for some help, by way of explanation, of a couple of birth > re-registrations for a couple of my family members. > > Two members of a family were born out of wedlock, so as is the case > each of these two children bore their mother's maiden surname at > birth. These births occurred in the early 1900s. > > The father subsequently married the mother, shortly after the birth > of the 2nd child. > > In 1935, the births of these two children were re-registered by the > father, with him indicating that he was the father, i.e he > re-registered them with his surname. > > On what grounds under English law, at that time, (1935), could the > initial birth registrations of these children be overturned; from > mother's maiden surname to father's surname??? > > Nivard (and anyone ) can you please offer me your wisdom on this matter? > > eddie tricker > Australia > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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John and Henry both moved to Yorkshire, John probably after his marriage to Jane Thompson (b.abt 1850) in 1868 (Vol 4b Pg 1104) both brothers are in Yorkshire from the 1871 census until thier deaths. There is a death registration for a William MEALING b. abt 1806 June quarter 1880, Thetford District 4b Pg 259 and a Rebecca MEALING b. abt 1807 Dec quarter 1880 Thetford District 4b pg 273. As I have been unable to find any record of William or Rebecca on the 1871 census I cannot be sure if these are the same people. MEALING is a variation of the Surname recorded on census records for John and Henry and thier son Williams marriage certificate (to Rebecca Garner b.abt 1832 Chatham, Kent m. 1854 Vol 4b, Pg 701). MALING is another variation on some census records. Any help would be appreciated. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Help request, Malin - Brandon, Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rshaw20 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8615.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It seems William and Rebecca's son William also moved with his family, to Yorkshire, I have just found a possible census record for William in 1881 living in Marske, the surname is recorded as MEALING. -------------------------------------------------- relationship link to Game and Langston This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: langstonhome1 Surnames: Cole Middleton Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8616/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am searching records for a deceaased aunt - I knew her as Dorothy Middleton and she lived in Cambridge. I believe her maiden name was Cole and she married Stanley Middleton. I believe Cole may be the adoptive name as I think Dorothy is could be the illegitimate daughter of Jessie GAme and Fred Langston. Any information gratefully received. ------------------------------------------------- Re: Help request, Malin - Brandon, Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Mealing Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8615.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This marriage appears on the Suffolk Marriage Index 1813-1837 William Mealing Rebecca Nunn 30th January, 1831 Brandon Burials William Mealing 22nd April, 1880 aged 74yrs. Rebecca Mealing 4th October, 1880 aged 73yrs. both at Brandon. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Help request, Malin - Brandon, Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8615.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1871, they are in Brandon under MALIN RG10; Piece: 1872; Folio: 51; Page: 5; -------------------------------------------------- Re: relationship link to Game and Langston This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8616.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You have not given us any aproximate dates to work from, but assuming the events took place in the 20th c. there have been 3 deaths of a Dorothy Middleton registered in Cambridge between 1984-2005. these were in Feb.2005, Nov.2005 and Oct.1996. These had respective dates of birth 26 Oct1910, 25 Jan.1915 and 25 May 1902. The latter person had a second name of May, the others just Dorothy. There was a marriage registered in the Bury St Edmunds district, June quarter 1933 between a Dorothy Cole and a Stanley Middleton, GRO Ref. Volume 4a, Page 2374. A copy of the certificate will tell you what she gave for 'Father's name and occupation'. >From the information you have given I cannot be certain whether she was registered with the surname 'Cole' at birth. There were, however, quite a lot of Dorothy Coles registered around the birth dates that I have given above, but there was in particular a Dorothy M Cole registered in Ipswich during the September quarter 1916, volume 4a, page 1905 who had a mother's maiden name of 'Game'. Again to get full details you would need to purchase a copy of the certificate. Providing Dorothy Cole was born before 1911 you may be able to find her in the 1911 census but you would have to pay for full access. From the index I can see that there was 2 in Suffolk and 1 in Cambridgeshire, born 1900-1910. -------------------------------------------------- Re: relationship link to Game and Langston This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: janet_sains Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8616.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: As a possibilty, 1911 Bury St Edmunds - there is a Dorothy Game, 4 months old, in the household of John Cole. John Cole 55 born Depden, Boot Maker also Ellen Cole 45, two children "Elsey" Game John is possibly the John Samuel Cole registered Thingoe in Dec 1855 But also a marriage -Sep qtr 1914 Bury St Edmunds John S Cole Ellen Game A Dorothy Beatrice Cole born around the same time is also around in the 1911 census, Bury, so the the one in the Cole family is probably registered December qtr 1910 Bury St Edmunds Janet -------------------------------------------------- Re: Help request, Malin - Brandon, Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rshaw20 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8615.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much for finding the information. The 1871 census tripped me up as the age/DoB had William and Rebecca as being 10 years younger than previous records, I have not come across such a large discrepency before and usually search with a 5 year -. -------------------------------------------------- Re: relationship link to Game and Langston This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: janet_sains Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8616.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It might be the Dorothy you are looking for - Dorothy Game, 4 months, is given as granddaughter in 1911 Bury St Edmunds It would appear likely that Ellen Cole, 45 born Ixworth, is the mother of Jessie Game 1901 in Troston - Jessie Game, 11, daughter of George Thomas Game, 50, born Troston, Labourer, and Ellen, 37, born Ixworth George Thomas Game died later that year, aged 51 (Dec qtr 1901, Thingoe) Ellen Game then seems to have lived with John Cole, but did not marry him until 1914. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Joseph Willoughby - Ewarton, Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8613.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The baronetcy created for Baron Willoughby de Eresby was in the early 1300s. I am not aware of any strong links to Suffolk, but would love to hear more. A look up in the Parish Records for Erwarton St Mary might yield more information on 'your' family? They are available to search from 1558 - 1900 on just 8 fiche from the Suffolk Record Office and if SKS is visiting any of the three branches they would be able to access them (they have been filmed and should be available to order to your local LDS centre). As Erwarton is pronounced Arwarton, there are often transcription errors :-) Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Quote ... I've had a look round and the local RO has them, and they don't strike me as particularly helpful - their list of rules and charges is enough to terrify anyone! ... All three branches of the Suffolk Record Office have census returns and parish records available to search at no charge at all. The staff are always extremely patient and helpful and knowledgeable. Depending on the incumbent at the time of filming for the LDS records, not every one agreed and so there are still some parishes which have not been filmed. In other cases, such as with St Mary and St James (now St Edmundsbury Cathedral) some of the register pages were larger and have been filmed, so some years and events are on film and others are on fiche. Regarding the parish of St Peter and St Paul in Clare, this has always been an active large parish and there are 32 fiche covering the years 1558 - 1900. No doubt you have had a look at all of the churches you are researching on Simon's wonderful Suffolk Churches web site at www.suffolkchurches.co.uk ? Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: TATUM, 1907, England - FILBY This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/828.859.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are still many Tatum families in the Long Melford/Sudbury area. However, it is not appropriate to be discussing living people on this message board. Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: diamondlifestyle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Quote...All three branches of the Suffolk Record Office have census returns and parish records available to search at no charge at all. The staff are always extremely patient and helpful and knowledgeable... I consider myself chastised. Their website does have a pretty extensive list of rules and regulations, and never having been to this RO in person I was just going off the way they've presented themselves online. I'm sure they're doing a wonderful job (as are the other ROs across the country). Kate -------------------------------------------------- Trusson family This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rmtaylor471 Surnames: Trusson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8617/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Would be interested to hear from anyone interested in the Trusson family of Kelsale, Great Glemham, Stratford St Andrew, Benhall area. Also if anyone can look the name up in 1524 Subsidy list and/or Able Men of Suffolk, I'd be really grateful. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.2.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thanks Kate, I know how hard they work, the SRO is the Cinderella of Suffolk County Council. Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: Help need to find a Violet G Scott. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryrush15 Surnames: scott Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2226.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi all thee scotts you are looking for are my relitives. frederick scott was my uncle that is he was my mums brother. So valerie john tony michial eric brian joan were my cousins. Have a good amount of info. mary. -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rmtaylor471 Surnames: Trusson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you have access to Benhall pre 1700 and if so, can you check for Trusson for me? Thanks -------------------------------------------------- Re: MARKHAM of Halesworth, Suffolk. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: YCoe24 Surnames: MARKHAM Classification: biography Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/3130.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi . I am related to MARKHAM through VALLANCE and STOKES. CHARLES GARROD MARKHAM (1835-1911)is my great great grandfather (married to Elizabeth Mary Wells (1837-1893). His father was Thomas Markham 1803-1844 married to Charlotte Smith 1813-1855. Charles and Elizabeth Markham had Mary Elizabeth (1865) Alice Jane (1866) Charles Frederick (1870) Charlotte Edith (1872) Prescilla Jane (1874-1879) and my Great Grandmother Elizabeth Edith (1876). Elizabeth Edith Markham married Charles Jasper Vallance (1875) and had my Grandmother Emma Prescilla Vallnce and possibly 12 other children . My Gran married George Henry Stokes and had my Dad, George Leonard Stokes 1923-1977. More info available if required. Regards Yvonne -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: diamondlifestyle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, sorry not got those records. Hope you find them! Kate -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Christinemaloney53 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, My name is Christine Maloney. I am tracing my family in Depden and Poslingford Suffolk. I have already paid a researcher to do the ground work form, but some of the information does not connect with other information. I am from the Thomas Coleman and Mary Ann Debenham family line. I have the marriage list from the parish register for Thomas and Mary Ann it said that they were married on the 22/10/1816. I also have the Birth register of Mary Ann Debenham for the 16/11/1786. On the marriage cert. It said that Thomas was a widower. Their son Arthur Coleman came to Australia on the ship the Theresa in 1840 but his parents were listed as Thomas Coleman and Elizabeth Clarke. On his death cert. It said that his mother was Mary Ann Debenham and Father was Arthur Coleman it can get confusing. I have his birth register as Arthur son of Thomas Coleman and Mary Ann Coleman 29/02/1823 in Poslingford it said that Thomas was a farmer. I also have a copy of Thomas Colemans will dated 24! /10/1825. He died on the 08/06/1828. I also have a copy of his siblings births from the parish Register. I hope some one can shed some light on this for me. Regards Chris Maloney

.............for 1887 and 1889 respectively is freely accessible at www.originaldatabases.co.uk. Gerry.

You might also want to have a look at the latest offering from FamilySearch which has the option of being able to show which registration district parishes fall into Try http://maps.familysearch.org Regards John Hanson -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 04 October 2010 23:23 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Parishes & Reg. Districts Hi Phil Sorry to harp on but you are trying to reinvent the wheel There has been a great deal of work ploughed into Genuki and should there be any inaccuracies or errors I am sure they would be glad to hear of them, rather than try and do the whole thing again You say you have found spelling differences and a missing Parish but don't name them As spelling has been very much a floating affair over the centuries I am not in the least surprised you have found more than one for the same place Perhaps if you mention the places you are having trouble with listers can advise better Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Folks, AS I said in my previous email I am working on putting > together a clear and accurate file of the Registration Districts in > Suffolk for the period from abt 1841(1836)to 1911 (1937) and am > finding conflicting data on the most common websites that cover such data. > I have been using The GENUKI site, but it is here I find "errors", in ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hello Lori, I found William Living with his parents, William & Hannah in 1841,it stated they were Plumber and Glaziers. in 1851 William a Plumber and wife Sarah plus a son William and a daughter Sarah 1861 William plumber,glazier,Paper Hanger,&Decorator,wife Sarah, son William,Daughters Sarah &Hannah, Plus Hannah mother b.1804 a shopwoman William died Mar qtr.1870 1871 William Silas is now Head of household, his mother Sarah and his grandmother are with him . 1881 Sarah is Head in her own house 1891 Sarah a Lodger, living on her own means 1901 sarah, Head of her own house Sarah died Sep qtr.1909 I did find in Dec qtr.1844 a William Spanton married a Sarah Chandler but registered at Tunstead Norfolk, so may not be your one you are looking for. Hope this helps. Mavis ----- Original Message ----- From: "LORI ADKINS" <lacodak@msn.com> To: <SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:36 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] 1851-1861 census Bury St Edmund_SPANTON > Hello, would someone be kind enough to find a family on the 1851-1861 > census for Bury St Edmund. Family are as follows.... > > William SPANTON brn 1823 Bury St Edmund married in 1843 to ? > Children: > William Silas SPANTON brn 1845 Bury St Edmund > Sarah Rebecca SPANTON brn 1850 Bury St Edmund > Hannah Kate SPANTON brn 1852 Bury St Edmund > > Both William Snr and Jnr were photographers > > I am trying to find out the mother of these children, and to see if they > had anymore children after Hannah. > > Thank you. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lori, I have the little booklet, 'An Abbeygate Street Story, memories of Abbeygate Street in the 1920s and 30s' by Dudley White, in the index it shows that H Jarman was the photographer at number 16. On page 7 there is a reproduction of an advertisement for H I Jarman. It would appear that the famous Jarman photographers were a part of the extended Spanton family. H I Jarman Art Photographer Proprietor of J Palmer Clarke's Negatives Children's Portraits a Speciality Personal Attention to all Sitters Groups and Outdoor Photography Oil Paintings and Prints carefully restored Picture Framing ---------------- Agent for Winsor and Newton's Artist colours and requisites ---------------------------- 16, Abbeygate Street, Bury St Edmund's. ------------------------------------------ Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "LORI ADKINS" <lacodak@msn.com> > Hi Marg, Thank you so much for that. I also found it quite interesting as I have a lot of old photographs and on the back they show "W.S. SPANTON Photographers, 16 Abbey Gate Street, Bury St Edmunds" So they must have had living quarters at they same place of their business..... clipped ........