Good morning John, could you please send me the link for the Parish Register Lookup Group. I have parish records on fiche and would like to offer lookups through this group if it is not already there. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McLinden" <orange483137@yahoo.com> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: [SFK-UK] Postings Following this thread, I would point out that while many registers have now been transcribed by various organisations (usually for profit) the errors, typos etc., call them what you will, can be horrendous. The Parish Register fiche held by the Look-up Group contain the actual data - and we do it for free! All the more reason for using this board rather than paying out good money for sometimes very poor data! John McLinden ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3352 - Release Date: 01/01/11

A timely warning to use or lose the List, Nivard. My inquiry on Dec. 19th. for birth details of Thomas Garrard brought one reply off list only, and I am still looking for the answer. Perhaps the date, 1712, recorded on his grave stone as the year of his birth is not correct, or his name on other records is spelt differently, Garrod for example, or the records of his birth do not exist. The first date we can reasonably be sure of is 19th June 1732, when he married Mary Everson at Thorndon. Yet Thomas was a successful farmer who left property at Saxtead and Framlingham to his sons and other bequests to family members. His considerable estate might indicate that he was, in turn, the beneficiary of his father's estate, but no such will, to my knowledge, has been discovered. Any help or advice on how to "bring him home" for his 300dth. birthday would be appreciated. Geoff Aslett geoff@asletts.com In Queensland, where the area of the flood now exceeds the area of France and Germany combined.

Hi Geoff. Sadly sometimes the only way to find people from this time frame is to look at parish reg/fiche etc one by one. I do know that most if not all, of the early colleges at Cambridge held lands or the benifice of various parishes in Suffolk and Norfolk and other counties, There are number of Wills etc held within the Cambridge record office archives. The may not be recorded in the Suffolk record office records. Honor Please don't judge me on what I have achieved, but what I have overcome. Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body. Rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" ________________________________ From: Geoff Aslett <geoff@asletts.com> To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 1 January, 2011 21:42:32 Subject: [SFK-UK] Thomas Garrard of Saxtead A timely warning to use or lose the List, Nivard. My inquiry on Dec. 19th. for birth details of Thomas Garrard brought one reply off list only, and I am still looking for the answer. Perhaps the date, 1712, recorded on his grave stone as the year of his birth is not correct, or his name on other records is spelt differently, Garrod for example, or the records of his birth do not exist. The first date we can reasonably be sure of is 19th June 1732, when he married Mary Everson at Thorndon. Yet Thomas was a successful farmer who left property at Saxtead and Framlingham to his sons and other bequests to family members. His considerable estate might indicate that he was, in turn, the beneficiary of his father's estate, but no such will, to my knowledge, has been discovered. Any help or advice on how to "bring him home" for his 300dth. birthday would be appreciated. Geoff Aslett geoff@asletts.com In Queensland, where the area of the flood now exceeds the area of France and Germany combined. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy New Year to all. In 1851 the family still in Hengrave has three more children and son Arthur is age 10. 1841 is close to illegible but ancestry transcribed the name as Auther. Carol B. in Syracuse, NY On Jan 1, 2011, at 3:01 AM, suffolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Hi Folks, I have another very difficult Census sheet that I cannot decipher > The ref is HO107-1037Bk 9 folio 3 Page 19 and its for Hengrave SFK > The family is ORSBORNE and it is the last childs name that I cannot > understand age 1 mth > Hope someone can help. I have been very pleased with all the help I > have obtained from > the Suffolk listers and continue to get direct help from some and > thought all should know. > Its typical of the folks involved in tracking down their family > history Phil White >

Quite so Richard It is such a vast subject that no one person will ever know all there is to know about it, so a great reason for discussions on the list I have noticed the slow decline of the lists over the last couple of years, as you suggest mostly due to the greater accessibility to online records be that by subscription or via the likes of the LDS There is so much knowledge in the lists subscribers experience that it would be a great shame for it to dwindle away for lack of posts Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Following on from this thread in Nivard's letter,he is so right with his > comments below.As a long term member of the Norfolk list the decline in > postings since the Norfolk Parish Registers have been available online is > huge,just down to a trickle some days.I used to visit the record office at > least once a week and i would always help listers if possible with > look-ups,but that has all gone now unless a particular parish register is > not on the IGI.pilot search. > So ,yes it is important to keep our mailing lists active otherwise we all > lose out. > Happy new year to you all, > Richard Myhill

Hi Phil, I think the name has been correctly indexed as Auther. The first stroke is just a marker where the enumerator (or someone else) has been counting. If you look further down the page there is an 'Alfred' where the same thing has happened. Presumably neither the family nor the enumerator knew the normal spelling for Arthur! Happy New Year to all! Shirley Levon On 1 Jan 2011, at 08:01, suffolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:48:06 -0500 > From: Phil White <pwgrandmapa@comcast.net> > Subject: [SFK-UK] 1841 Census help > To: suffolk@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4D1E95E6.5070701@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Folks, I have another very difficult Census sheet that I cannot > decipher > The ref is HO107-1037Bk 9 folio 3 Page 19 and its for Hengrave SFK > The family is ORSBORNE and it is the last childs name that I cannot > understand age 1 mth > Hope someone can help. I have been very pleased with all the > help I > have obtained from > the Suffolk listers and continue to get direct help from some and > thought all should know. > Its typical of the folks involved in tracking down their family > history Phil White

Following on from this thread in Nivard's letter,he is so right with his comments below.As a long term member of the Norfolk list the decline in postings since the Norfolk Parish Registers have been available online is huge,just down to a trickle some days.I used to visit the record office at least once a week and i would always help listers if possible with look-ups,but that has all gone now unless a particular parish register is not on the IGI.pilot search. So ,yes it is important to keep our mailing lists active otherwise we all lose out. Happy new year to you all, Richard Myhill richardmyhill43@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] 1841 Census help > Just a further point, I noticed your mention of subscribers off list help > which is to be commended in one sense but only wish they would also reply > to > list where its relevant to the enquiry > > Without the input of subscribers the lists are slowly crawling to a halt > and > if we are not careful we may find they cease completely which would be a > great loss to all > > That is not to say I think all posts must go to the list, I still believe > that is the choice of the responder, I would just like to see a little > more > list activity :-) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > PS I wonder how many replies you have had off list to this enquiry? > > > >> Hi Folks, I have another very difficult Census sheet that I cannot >> decipher >> The ref is HO107-1037Bk 9 folio 3 Page 19 and its for Hengrave SFK >> The family is ORSBORNE and it is the last childs name that I cannot >> understand age 1 mth >> Hope someone can help. I have been very pleased with all the help I >> have obtained from >> the Suffolk listers and continue to get direct help from some and >> thought all should know. >> Its typical of the folks involved in tracking down their family >> history Phil White > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2011/01/01 04:48, Phil White wrote: > Hi Folks, I have another very difficult Census sheet that I cannot decipher > The ref is HO107-1037Bk 9 folio 3 Page 19 and its for Hengrave SFK > The family is ORSBORNE and it is the last childs name that I cannot > understand age 1 mth > Hope someone can help. I have been very pleased with all the help I > have obtained from > the Suffolk listers and continue to get direct help from some and > thought all should know. > Its typical of the folks involved in tracking down their family > history Phil White At first sight, it would appear to be Mathew - but that's probably wrong. Then again, Ancestry has transcribed it as Auther. As an added complication, FreeBMD has a birth of an Auther Hubbard OSBORNE registered in Dec 1841 in Bury St Edmunds (which covers Hengrave). This could be a late registration! Take your pick! -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Hello Listers, First regarding my request for help reading the First name in the 1841 Census, I have come to the conclusion that the name is Arthur or Aurthur. On reading the various replies it helped in a basic way, I had the engine running but had not put my head in gear!! First I realized that the 1841 Census was taken on Jun 7 so a birth one month earlier was late April or early May. Then I looked for a birth record in the correct period and District and found one for Arthur. Then I looked at the1851 Census for that same family and there was Arthur. Several people's comments helped me and that is the one thing you dont get with just using on line data, so I agree we need to pronmote what Nivard was saying in regard to the Lists Use 'em or lose 'em Phil White

Morning Phil And happy new year to all The transcriber on Ancestry has entered Alfred for 1841, my interpretation would be a variation of Arthur often seen in the census as Aurthur Which appears to be confirmed by the 1851 where a 10 year old Aurther is found between 12 year old Elizabeth and 8 year old Caroline all born Hengrave Just a further point, I noticed your mention of subscribers off list help which is to be commended in one sense but only wish they would also reply to list where its relevant to the enquiry Without the input of subscribers the lists are slowly crawling to a halt and if we are not careful we may find they cease completely which would be a great loss to all That is not to say I think all posts must go to the list, I still believe that is the choice of the responder, I would just like to see a little more list activity :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS I wonder how many replies you have had off list to this enquiry? > Hi Folks, I have another very difficult Census sheet that I cannot > decipher > The ref is HO107-1037Bk 9 folio 3 Page 19 and its for Hengrave SFK > The family is ORSBORNE and it is the last childs name that I cannot > understand age 1 mth > Hope someone can help. I have been very pleased with all the help I > have obtained from > the Suffolk listers and continue to get direct help from some and > thought all should know. > Its typical of the folks involved in tracking down their family > history Phil White

I've got my own "Auther" in a census, I no longer recall which census and am a little dicey on whether he's a Cross or a Waterfall or yet another, but I do remember his name being misspelled. consider the accent, and chances are good he's not born in county. Cornelia On 1 Jan 2011, at 08:01, suffolk-request@rootsweb.com [1] wrote: > > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:48:06 -0500 > From: Phil White > Subject: [SFK-UK] 1841 Census help > To: suffolk@rootsweb.com [3] > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Folks, I have another very difficult Census sheet that I cannot > decipher > The ref is HO107-1037Bk 9 folio 3 Page 19 and its for Hengrave SFK > The family is ORSBORNE and it is the last childs name that I cannot > understand age 1 mth > Hope someone can help. I have been very pleased with all the > help I > have obtained from > the Suffolk listers and continue to get direct help from some and > thought all should know. > Its typical of the folks involved in tracking down their family > history Phil White ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com [5] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] mailto:suffolk-request@rootsweb.com [2] mailto:pwgrandmapa@comcast.net [3] mailto:suffolk@rootsweb.com [4] mailto:4D1E95E6.5070701@comcast.net [5] mailto:SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com

Hi Folks, I have another very difficult Census sheet that I cannot decipher The ref is HO107-1037Bk 9 folio 3 Page 19 and its for Hengrave SFK The family is ORSBORNE and it is the last childs name that I cannot understand age 1 mth Hope someone can help. I have been very pleased with all the help I have obtained from the Suffolk listers and continue to get direct help from some and thought all should know. Its typical of the folks involved in tracking down their family history Phil White

Thank you for your reply Nivard, The Census record I am looking at is 1841, Registration district Stow, Sub - registration Walsham le Willows, Civil Parish Ash Badwell Henry Faires Age 20 birth 1821 Suffolk England. Regards Janine -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 7:31 PM To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Shoe on Hi Janine Its always best to supply the census reference, name and details with enquiries like this But suspect your "Shoe on" is more likely "Shoe m" which is the abbreviation for shoe maker , if the m was a capital M it would mean shoe manufacturer If you supply the census ref we can take a look for you to be sure Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Could anyone tell me what a "Shoe on" would do ? It is listed as > occupation > for a potential relative in the 1841 Census. > > > > Thank you in advance > > Janine Fisher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could anyone tell me what a "Shoe on" would do ? It is listed as occupation for a potential relative in the 1841 Census. Thank you in advance Janine Fisher

Brilliant! Thanks Jim. Janine -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Mackay Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 7:41 AM To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] FW: Emigrants to Australia 1886 A problem area! The records appear to have not yet been digitised - see http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/collection/passenger.asp which is the State Records Office page about arrivals. In general, when looking for possible web sites about Australian genealogy http://www.coraweb.com.au/ is a good starting point. Good luck. Jim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David- Thanks for that inventory record. He may have been the elder Humphrey Diver or one of several in the next generation. I haven't got them sorted out yet. The spelling of Diver appears frequently as Diner when transcdribed - the 'v' is read as an 'n'. Also 'y' was often used instead of 'i' in the "creative" spelling of that time period - spelled as it sounded to the writer. Having recently transcribed several wills of the 1600s-1700s, it is quite a challenge to read them. Ruth USA From: David Gobbitt Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:04 AM To: SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Does anyone have access to Gazeley registers? (for 1651) Hi Ruth I don't have access to the Gazeley registers but I see that the Bury St Edmunds branch of the Suffolk Record Office has an inventory (although apparently no will or admon) dated 1694 for a yeoman named Humphrey DYNOR of Isleham (Index of the Probate Records of the Court of the Archdeacon of Sudbury: ref. In. 9/91). David From: Ruth Dunlap <rdunlap@tsf.net> Sent: Monday, 27 December, 2010 4:59:13 I would like to confirm this marriage at Gazeley, Suffolk: 1651 (no day/month) HUMPHREY DIVER (was he from elsewhere? I hope it says he was of Isleham, Cambs. or near there) to JANE MAST (The name Diver is sometimes transcribed as Diner)

Hi again For the benefit of others the Ancestry transcript is as follows with census reference Name: Henry Faires Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where born: Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Ash Badwell Hundred: Blackbourn County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Stow Sub-registration district: Walsham le Willows Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James Bentick 50 Emily Bentick 40 Charles Bentick 15 William Bentick 15 Maria Bentick 15 Mary Bentick 13 Edmond Bentick 10 Ellen Bentick 8 Charles Hubbard 25 Henry Faires 20 HO107; Piece 1013; Book: 2; Civil Parish: Ash Badwell; County: Suffolk; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 8; Page: 9; Line: 8; GSU roll: 474634. And as I suggested it does show "Shoe m" ie Shoe maker Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Thank you for your reply Nivard, > > The Census record I am looking at is 1841, Registration district Stow, > Sub > - registration Walsham le Willows, Civil Parish Ash Badwell > Henry Faires Age 20 birth 1821 Suffolk England. > > Regards > Janine

Hi Janine Its always best to supply the census reference, name and details with enquiries like this But suspect your "Shoe on" is more likely "Shoe m" which is the abbreviation for shoe maker , if the m was a capital M it would mean shoe manufacturer If you supply the census ref we can take a look for you to be sure Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Could anyone tell me what a "Shoe on" would do ? It is listed as > occupation > for a potential relative in the 1841 Census. > > > > Thank you in advance > > Janine Fisher

A problem area! The records appear to have not yet been digitised ­ see http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/collection/passenger.asp which is the State Records Office page about arrivals. In general, when looking for possible web sites about Australian genealogy http://www.coraweb.com.au/ is a good starting point. Good luck. Jim

From: Janine Fisher [mailto:janinef@aapt.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2010 5:06 PM To: 'suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com' Subject: Emigrants to Australia 1886 I have a newspaper cutting from 1926 as follows: FIFTY YEARS AGO EXTRACTS FROM THE "STAR OF THE EAST" OF NOVEMBER 3RD, 1886 IPSWICH The Magistrate's Room, Ipswich Town Hall presented quite a festive appearance on Tuesday evening, when The Mayor and Mayoress (Mr. and Mrs. Grimsey), entertained the first party of intending emigrants to tea, liberally catered by Mr James Hardwick, of the Queen Street restaurant. The emigrants consisted of the following eight families; James Barber, wife and one child; R.W. Collings, wife and one child ; J.J. Fisher, wife and one child; Walter Sporle and wife; G.S. Stannard, wife and three children; David Woodrow, wife and three children; Jas. A.C. Walker, wife and two children. The party will leave Ipswich next Tuesday, proceeding to the Emigrants' Home, Blackwall, where they will stay two days, prior to embarking on the Steamship Elderslie, in which , on the 11th inst., they will start for their new home in Western Australia. My relatives are the family of James Barber. I was wondering if anyone else on the list was related to any of the other families. Also could anyone point me in the right direction to find a passenger list that would include them. Kind Regards Janine Fisher