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If you have any questions about the Boards or what the following is, pls contact me off-list at: mailto:SUFFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com . Thanks, Peter SUFFOLK List Admin. -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ctb10 Surnames: RACKHAM CHURCHYARD Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.17.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you, Kevin for the RACKHAM-CHURCHYARD marriage. This is helpful information and the witnesses' names are a bonus. -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: diamondlifestyle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.19.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi Lisa, I checked the Kersey records and found the following: Sarah, born 23 Jan 1809 bap 19 Feb 1809 Thomas, born 19 Jul 1810 bap 09 Sep 1910 John, Lucy and Elizabeth all bap 05 Feb 1818 No other Syretts listed. Unfortunately my Bacton records only start at 1849 so no record of them there. As they were the only Syretts in the Kersey records Robert, Ann and the unknown child must have been born later; or in the period 1810-18, if they also died in that period. Kate -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: diamondlifestyle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.19.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi Emma, it does seem wrong doesn't it? possibly one of them is his parent (via a first marriage) and whoever found the orinal link assumed that they were both his parents? I've looked in the Stoke by Nayland record transcripts (1558-1812) and there's no record of his baptism, however it might be worth checking with the record office, they have all the originals from this date. it might also be worth doing some digging around the vicar, he must have trained somewhere, and the colleges usually keep info on the alumni which has probably been published and are usually floating around the internet if pdf form. it seems unlikely he had a child (unless he was illigitimate) as they were usually studying from the ages of 15/16 - 18/19 before getting jobs. hope you untangle it! Kate -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: diamondlifestyle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.20.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi, I've not got the Ashen records but I've looked on the web and I can't find either his baptism or his father's marriage. it might be worth contacting the record office for the baptism record if you're pretty sure it was Ashen Kate -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LisaSyrette Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.19.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Kate, that is very helpful. Will keep looking for the others elsewhere. Thanks Again Lisa -------------------------------------------------- Melton Lunatic Asylum - Suffolk - death certificate deciphering! This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mlightvt Surnames: Thorndike Classification: death Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8652/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello! I have found that my 5th Great Grandfather, Isaac Thorndike, died at the age of 65, in the Melton Lunatic Asylum. I ordered an official copy of his death certificate, and received it today. It says the following: date of admission: 4/19/1849 date of death: 1/26/1850 cause of death: "Gradual Exhaustion Certified" Preliminary research indicates to me that this COULD mean a death from cancer. However, I would like to know if anyone here has a different perspective, or greater knowledge of any medical euphemisms used at Melton. Thank you!! -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: karencackett Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.20.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thanks for looking for me. i have the right village but cannot find out anything else about him. on the 1866 cencus it said he had two sons walter and charles and again i cannot find any birth records for them. have contacted 3 records offices and still no joy, totally stumped!! -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I do not have access to Walsham le Willows, parish register which is what you require, but I have had a look at the 1841 census which gives 2 Richard Clarke both living in Palmer Street. In case you are not aware the 1841 does not give relationships within a household, places of birth or accurate ages for adults. One Richard is age 5 and living with a John and Elizabeth Clarke, the other is age 10 and living with a Samuel & Elizabeth Clarke. As the census was taken on 6 June 1841 neither fits your given date of birth, however is this date definitely a date of birth or is it a date of baptism? as there is no record of birth dates prior to 1837 unless recorded alongside the baptism record or is in some other personal family record such as a family bible. If it is a baptism then he was born prior to 23 Dec 1832. Unfortunately I cannot identify either of these families in 1851, when more information would be available. -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: colinclarke1945 Surnames: CLARK CLARKE HANCOCK Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks for the note. I found this information via online search, and (of course !) it was a "birth/christening" date. So, I cannot be more specific. The Richard I seek (my great grandfather) sailed for Australia in Nov 1856 and his immigrant record of age points to a birth date 1831/1832. "Born Cambridgeshire, educated there. Mother Eliza dead, Father John whereabouts unknown" and at his wedding, his mother is shown as Eliza HANCOCK. But his UK pre migration history has all been a huge brick wall since (drum roll) 1979 when I began the search. I am also looking at a Richard CLARKE aged 10 at the 1841 Census, a 'resident' of the North Witchford Workhouse, because I have also seen that an Eliza(beth) CLARKE was recorded as having died at that place. However, the records are mainly all destroyed or lost from North Witchford. Basically, although I have chased 'ghosts' all over the UK, I have focused on that area around Cambridge and East of it. So, the Richards you have noted at Palmer Street - the 5 yr old with John and Elizabeth is too young I expect, and the 10 yr old is about right, with Samuel as father. =:-/ I really appreciate your help. Maybe someone here will have access to the Parish Register, or has some more on the North Witchford Workhouse. -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I think that you are clutching at straws in extending your search over such a wide area. If you have information that he was born in Cambridgeshire then stick to that county, Thats big enough and Clark/e being a common name you might be better off looking for Eliza Hancock although that could mean searching every Parish Register in the County. Every Richard Clark/e that I can see seems to have a mother calles Eliza/Elizabeth. There was one in Bourn for instance b.1831 who I can see in 1841 and 1851 but not in 1861, although he does seem to reappear in 1871. Also in 1851 there is a 19 year old born Fulbourn lodging with a widow so could be an orphan, who does not appear on later census. Have you been in contact with the Cambridge Family History Society, their website is very useful for births and deaths around that time. They may have members that can help you. Go to http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: colinclarke1945 Surnames: CLARKE CLARK HANCOCK Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: :-) Thanks for the reply. I am at the 'straw clutching' phase, after 32 years of fruitless searches for Richard, John, Eliza et al, and the 'dead ends' also found by paid researchers etc. to boot. I've been looking so long, it was pre-internet !!! and using the IGI and local history societies. BTW, the 'Bourn' Richard lived and died in the UK I am told. The 19 yr old Richard, a "Farm Labourer", lodging with the glove maker named Sarah Anne POOLEY in 1851 census is a good possibility, but in many searches by me or paid researchers, we have never pinned this Richard down. The census says born "Cambshire Fulbourn" (sic). The collective 'We' have searched for marriage death baptism records in much of Cambridgeshire and Cambridge (city) without joy. There are a few reasons I have looked at East Cambs in particular. - One is the Workhouse connection. The Elizabeth Clarke who died Nov 5, 1843 aged 26 years (Pauper in Union) Union Doddington is a possible mother to the Richard in the Workhouse, whose age is about right. - Another is the Walsham Le Willows Richard Clarke. - Another is the numbers of Hancock and Clarke families around Westley Waterless (including an Eliza Hancock living in a Clarke household at Census time). I have tried 'coming around the back' by researching Hancock histories looking for a Clarke. - And then there is a statement written by Richard Clarke in the 1880s in Australia in which he stated in note form:"Born Cambridge 1831, educated there, worked as farm labourer and employed on the railways". >From what I can see, the 'railways' are more likely on the east of Cambs - Great Eastern and Great Northern, although there were branches etc. I am not a railways expert. :-) - His immigration record on arrival (Feb 1857) Australia shows him as "Age 25, Cambridgeshire, AgLab, CofE, read and write" and for the question 'Parent's Names, and, if alive, their residence' the answer is "Mother Eliza Dead Father unknown." So, a rather lengthy explanation to your note. As you can guess, I have been on this horse for a few years by now. :-) Made tougher by being an Australian expat in the US researching an Australian ancestor born in the UK. But helped quite a great deal by the www. Cheers, Colin -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just a thought, I was born near Cambridge and worked there for some years so I know the locality and local people. If he said he was born in Cambridge I would say he meant just that. Not that he was born in Cambridgeshire. Fulbourn is a village on the outskirts of Cambridge and could be construed as part of the city. Any body that came from Witchford is far more likeley to say that they came from Ely. I would suggest that you focus on tracing the Richards in either the Cambridge or Chesterton districts, which surround the city, rather than some many miles away or in other Counties. Sometimes however we just have to decide that we are not going to find the person we are seeking. Whilst writing the above I thought that I would see if I could find Richard Clark of Fulbourn in 1841. I found a Richard Hart age 10 living in Fulbourn with what I assume are parent's James & Eliza, his next nearest sibling is an Alfred age 4. The family previous on the census are Clark. In the marriage index I can see that James Hart only married in March 1939 to an Eliza Clark. At a guess Richard is a son of Eliza Clark's before her marriage to James Hart and that his name has just been entered on the census as Hart for convienience. By 1851 James Hart is a widower and Richard Hart/Clark is not at home. I cannot say that this connects with a Hancock unless Eliza Clark had a previous marriage or is it possible that you have got it wrong and the name metioned was Hart and not Hancock. -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: colinclarke1945 Surnames: CLARKE CLARK HANCOCK HANDCOCK Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you. Some solid and local advice. It is true that Richard Clarke in the 1880s did write 'born Cambridge etc ...', although of course, the Immigration sheet 1857 (I have a copy) notes "Cambridg(squiggle)" which elsewhere on the sheet is more clearly Cambridgeshire. But then again, these records were being taken in a primitive setting in Moreton Bay on his arrival as the clerks were processing all the ship's passengers. I am lucky to have this much ! So, I'll stay closer to the city, so to speak. The Eliza Hart is interesting, as is your theory. I have to be wary that this is not a school of red herrings - I have followed many. But it's a good thought and may well be a breakthrough. I will check it out. Let me ask you this on another track. IF Richard and his mother Eliza (living 'somewhere' in or around Cambridge city) became 'paupers' before Richard was 10, and the father John had already moved out/away, and Eliza and Richard were placed in a pauper's workhouse, was there a closer location to Fulbourn than the N Witchford place? The reason I ask is that with a Richard and Eliza noted as N Witchford 'residents' in the records, and Eliza dying Nov 1843, that Richard who was 10 at the 1841 census more or less fits the age criterion, too. But I can find no information on either of these residents or where they originated. Finally, if you know, did these younger residents get any education while there, and at what time were they 'set free' to fend for themselves. And were they 'pointed' in some direction like 'a farm' or 'the railway'. The reason I ask is that the Richard 10 in 1841 could feasibly have become the Richard aged 19 as a lodger with POOLEY in 1851 in Judge Passage, Cambridge. (Recorded as a Farm Labourer, born Fulbourn, HO107/1760/F. BTW, I've checked a lot of Pooleys for a Clarke connection but have seen none. Although some workhouses have excellent existing records, North Witchford is not one of them ... (about typical for my research :-) ) Anyway, thanks for the help. Cheers, Colin -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I very much doubt if someone who lived in the Cambridge/Fulbourn area would have much of a connection with the Witchford area. It could though be possible that someone from Witchford may migrate down to Cambridge to look for work. The areas are completely different geographically, North of Cambridge is the area known as the Fens, which have land that is below sea level and was drained in the 18 century and consisted of Marshes and fertile land used for growing horticultural crops. Around Cambridge and to the South was normal arable farming land. You say that an Eliza Clark mother of a Richard from Witchford died in 1843. The only death that I can see around that time were children with the exception of a 23 year old which was registered in the Duxford sub district of Linton. This is South of Cambridge. Returning to the Hart family of Fulbourn. Eliza Clark married John Hart in 1839 in the Chesterton district which includes Fulbourn. Unfortunately we have no idea where she was born as she died in 1845, this was registered in Fulbourn. In 1841 her age was given as 36 which was the same age given at her death 4 years later. She gave birth to son Richard c1831, before the Hart marriage and although he was listed as a 'Hart' in 1841 he reverted to Clark by 1851. The question is did Eliza Clark have a prior marriage and therefore Clark was not her maiden name, she must have been at least 29 at her marriage to John Hart, rather late for a first marriage. It is possible that she was a Hancock. You could ascertain this by purchasing a copy of her marriage certificate which will say whether she was a spinster or widow. It should also give her father's name, providing she knew it. If you do not wish to purchase the certificate which will cost the equivalent of �9.25 you might be able to get the information from the Cambridge FHS if they have a member with access to it. -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: colinclarke1945 Surnames: CLARKE CLARK HANCOCK HART Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks for sticking with this riddle. I am pursuing the HART lead, and will try Cambridge FHS. Also very happy to get the certificate - although it takes some time to get to me. (That is how I got the death certificate for the Eliza Clark who died Nov 5th, 1843 in Union Doddington Sub District Chatteris. (I also got other death certs for that area for Eliza(beth) but they turned out to be aged 85 (d1839) and aged 75 (d1839)) Anyway, I like this HART CLARK(E) theory because it could well explain how this brick wall has been so solid for so long. Richard HART/CLARKE and Eliza(beth) HANCOCK CLARK(E) HART have never been in the spotlight before. I really do appreciate your help. (Don't stop now. ;-) ) Cheers, Colin -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know you found the Richard in the Witchford Union House in 1841 aged 10 yrs, forward to 1851 and a Richard Clark aged 25yrs born Chatteris is in there, it also says he is blind. Now whether the two Richards are one and the same, I don't know. -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking at the Hart/Clarke household in 1841, I see a George Clarke born c1820. Going onto the http://www.cfhs.org.uk/cgi-bin/baptismindex.cgi I see George baptised to a William and Mary Clarke in 1821 in Fullbourn. Also among other children to this couple are an Eliza bap 1810 and a Richard in 1803 (thinking along the lines of using family names). Lastly I found the following marriage on Boyds index. 1800 / CLARK WM / HANCOCK MARY / FULBOURN ALL SAINTS -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Hart,Clark Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Hart/Clark marriage is on Familysearch at Fulbourn 9th February, 1839 fathers Eliza = William James = Benjamin -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: colinclarke1945 Surnames: CLARKE CLARK HANCOCK HANDCOCK HART Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Aah! Thanks for the note. Could be the same Richard in both cases, and my GGF was not blind, so maybe this takes me off the Witchford Richard. Although, I do notice a 5 yrs of age issue in your note - 10 at 41 should be ~20 at 51. The blind man was ~25, if an accurate census. And was there more than one Richard. But you do give me food for thought there. You may have seen that I also just got a lead to another Richard closer to Cambridge than N Witchford so (as usual) the fox is in the fowl pen again and feathers are flying. LOL Really appreciate your note, though. Cheers. Colin -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: colinclarke1945 Surnames: CLARKE CLARK HANCOCK HANDCOCK HART Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Wow. Thanks for this note on the HART CLARKE household, and the HANCOCK connection as well. There are some 'family names' there for sure. My father was George. One of his brothers was William. My father's father was Richard Francis. In fact, my GGF Richard CLARKE (with an E) - whose history we are searching - had 7 children, and apart from Richard Francis, there was Alfred, Mary, Eliza, Andrew, Catherine and John. I admit they were popular names, but a nice coincidence at least. Of course, this whole thing now causes me to consider if Eliza CLARK(E) HART was actually a spinster at marriage to HART, or was she a widow or ?divorced? from John CLARK(E). Will a marriage certificate show me more than you have there? I'm happy to send off for it. The 10 yr old Richard HART (Clarke?) living there at the 1841 census could be truly a HART and related to the head of house, or he could be a CLARKE and related to Eliza or he could be Eliza's son by a first union. Hmmm. Do you think getting the certificates from GRO at a tenner a pop will help me? -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: colinclarke1945 Surnames: CLARKE CLARK HANCOCK HANDCOCK HART Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you ! Does it say Eliza=William, or WIlliam CLARKE? Sorry for my ignorance about what may appear. Cheers. (I trying to find that at Familysearch.) You have been very helpful and kind. -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is an Alfred Clarke baptised in Fulbourn in 1836, on the Cambs bap list,also on Familysearch and it just says son of Eliza. So I think this is the Alfred with the Hart family in 1841, couldn't find one for a Richard though. This brings me to think that Eliza was unmarried when she had Richard and Alfred. I wonder if there are any bastardy records to be found, you could enquire at Camb record office. You could get the marriage cert and then you would know one way or the other if Eliza is the daughter of William and Mary, but I think the household in 1841 is too strong a possibilty for her not to be. -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking at the immigration record on Ancestry, what was said seems to sum things up. If he is the Richard Hart from 1841, then its true, if born out of wedlock he would probably have not known who his father was and said Eliza was dead before he immigrated. -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In 1861 Alfred has reverted to the name Clark RG9; Piece: 1020; Folio: 28; Page: 15 - Fulbourn by 1871 hes still Clark and married RG10; Piece: 1581; Folio: 27; Page: 8; -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: colinclarke1945 Surnames: CLARKE CLARK HANCOCK HANDCOCK HART Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is all going along nicely (at breakneck speed today). Earlier in this thread I was told by 'Robesure' that Eliza CLARK(E) HART's death is recorded in 1845 in Fulbourn, so Richard would be correct in 1856/57 when he arrived Australia as saying his mother was dead. And if it is the case that he was the son of a John CLARKE, then 'wherabouts unknown' sounds right, too. But why would Richard have always maintained in Aust. documents that his mother was Eliza HANCOCK? Easy enough if she was HANCOCK then 'common law' CLARKE then married to HART. Do you have a recommendation for me as to how I dig into Eliza's past with a little more certainty. It seems that if all this is THE Richard I am after, then chasing down his father John, and ancestors, may get even more tricky! Cheers, Colin -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: colinclarke1945 Surnames: CLARKE CLARK HANCOCK HANDCOCK HART Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: So Alfred CLARK(E) stayed in the UK and presumably lived all his life in that Fulbourn area. If this IS my same bloodline, then I may have found my Richard, and my way into Richard's father, John, may be via Alfred ... and of course, someone will have a bound volume with all his history for 10 generations (right?). But I have been SO close to answers before and got 'shut down' by new information. So, I'm eager to follow the leads, but relaxed about possible outcomes. -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Don't forget many of our ancestors were prone to telling porkies, we have all found that out at one time or another. He could have invented a father for respectability. As to why he called his mother Hancock is anyones guess. Start be getting the marriage cert and take things fro there. We'll see what Robsure thinks about all of this as well. -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: colinclarke1945 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Wait a minute now, I never told a Porky .. well, maybe this one (gulp) ... LOL Yes, I think I better invest in the GRO certificates ... but why HANCOCK instead of HART ??? Let's see ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: CLARKE, Richard 23 Dec 1832 Walsham Le Willows Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8653.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Present company accepted. LOL!!! I have a theory, I'm full of them. Maybe he didn't get on with his stepfather and would have rather have forgotten the name Hart. Makes you wonder with Alfred reverting to Clarke. Have you noticed many of the Clarke records are coming up with the E on the end. :-) --------------------------------------------------

Hi Ben, I have some Glemsford people in my family tree,and i have noticed that we share some Surnames.I have the following, WILLIAM HOWE. 1789 SARAH BROCKWELL. 1786 and their seven children. WILLIAM HOWE.1765 ANN WRIGHT. 1766 and their three children. EDWARD HOWES. 1742 JANE ALLEN. ? and their nine children. JOSEPH HOWE. 1712 ELIZABETH ? and their six children. JOHN BROCKWELL.1754 SUSANNA ARGENT. 1754 one child only found. JOHN ARGENT1717 SARAH BREWSTER. 1723 and their eight children SARAH BRUSTER. no other details Do you connect to any of these? Richard Richard Myhill richardmyhill43@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Oakley" <the_oakster@hotmail.co.uk> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Jarmin family from Glemsford > The vast majority of my family come from Glemsford and I have a very small > number of Jarmin /Jarmyn's so if you look at my site you can see if they > are connected to yours. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~oakleyfamilytree/ > > Ben >

>From The Bury and Norwich Post, and Suffolk Herald ( Bury Saint Edmunds, England ), Tuesday, April 14, 1885; pg. 7; Issue 5354. LINDSEY. SUDDEN DEATH. - An inquest was held at the Red Rose, Lindsey, on Wednesday, before Mr. Woolnough GROSS, deputy coroner for the Liberty of Bury St. Edmund's, touching the death of John DURRANT , 50 years of age. Sarah FARTHING , wife of James FARTHING , labourer, deposed that about quarter past eight o'clock on Sunday morning she saw the deceased, and he appeared to be in his usual health. A short time after she was called by deceased's daughter, and on going upstairs she saw him in bed. He was then quite cold and appeared to be insensible. He was breathing very heavily. Witness remained with him and he died about half-past three in the afternoon. Emma ELMER, wife of Geo. ELMER , said that between eleven and twelve on Sunday morning she was returning from the well, and she saw the deceased with a pail in his hand. He was walking on the path, which was about two feet higher than the road. When she got near him he fell off the path on to the road. He managed to crawl on to the path and witness called for assistance. - Alfred THOMPSON ,surgeon, Boxford, said that he was called to see the deceased on Sunday, but being absent at the time he was unable to go until the evening. The deceased was then dead. He believed the deceased died from natural causes. A verdict was returned in accordance with the medical evidence.

>From The Bury and Norwich Post, and Suffolk Herald ( Bury Saint Edmunds, England ), Tuesday, April 14, 1885; pg. 7; Issue 5354. STOWMARKET PETTY SESSIONS, April 9th. ( Before R. J. PETTIWARD, Esq., ( chairman ) and Hon. and Rev. A. BAILLIE-HAMILTON. LICENCE TRANSFERS. - The licence of the Vulcan Arms was transferred to James LILLINGSTONE ; White Horse to Jas. COBBOLD ; interim certificate to Robert CHAPMAN, the Royal William.

>From The Bury and Norwich Post, and Suffolk Herald ( Bury Saint Edmunds, England ), Tuesday, April 14, 1885; pg. 7; Issue 5354. SOHAM. ACCIDENT. - A man named William DARNELL was feeding a chaff machine on a farm at this town on Monday week, when his left hand caught in the chaff-cutter, and was so severely lacerated that it was deemed expedient to convey him to Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge, where the injured limb was amputated above the wrist.

The vast majority of my family come from Glemsford and I have a very small number of Jarmin /Jarmyn's so if you look at my site you can see if they are connected to yours. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~oakleyfamilytree/ Ben Sent from my iPhone On 29 Jan 2011, at 15:49, Eileen Adkins <adkins@dircon.co.uk> wrote: > I have recently discovered that my ancestor Hannah Jarmin was born in Glemsford in 1784. She left Suffolk as a young woman and spent her adult life in London. > > I'd like to find Hannah's Jarmin ancestry. Can anyone help please. > > Eileen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pat Thanks for letting us all know about Jean. I used to go to the Haverhill meetings and bus trips and am a bit shocked to hear the news. She was a very important member of the group. Please pass on my condolences to her family if you see them. Peter Brunning Cambridge, England peter@brunning.org.uk http://www.brunning47.demon.co.uk/peter.html http://www.lostcousins.com/?ref=LC956

I have recently discovered that my ancestor Hannah Jarmin was born in Glemsford in 1784. She left Suffolk as a young woman and spent her adult life in London. I'd like to find Hannah's Jarmin ancestry. Can anyone help please. Eileen

It may be best to photograph or sketch the crest and send it to the College of Arms, asking if they can identify it. chttp://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Enquiries.htm As to silver makers, there are a few of that time on this site: http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/London-WE-WJ.html Good luck! On 29 Jan 2011, at 10:16, Giles Colchester wrote: > The Suffolk heraldic dictionary is organised in the "ordinary" system > adopted by Papworth. Thus to be able to look something up, it helps to use > their terminology. On the assumption that what you have called a tower is > actually a castle, there is no castle with a bird on top of it in Joan > Corder's book. > > One of the Turners has a chess rook as a motif, but no bird with it. > Nothing else under chess rook, looks likely. > > In respect of the silver marks, you will find them available on a website > somewhere. > > Wishing you every success in your researches > Giles Colchester, > Researching COLCHESTER family, any spelling, any time, any place > And PACKARD in Suffolk > > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:41:15 -0800 > From: TRICIA <tricia.datene@shaw.ca> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Family Crests > To: SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com > Hello all, > I have a conundrum regarding a silver teapot I inherited from a Suffolk > ancestor. > The teapot is a Regency period design (King George IV), and is dated > 1822 and made in London. The maker mark is 'WF', but I can't find the maker. > It came to me from my Grandfather, who was a Holt-Wilson from Redgrave. > His mother was a Turner. Other family names were Hales, Pollard, and > Tong. The trouble is, I do not know which family the teapot came from. > The crest portrays a tower with a bird on top. I wonder if anyone > has a copy of "A dictionary of Suffolk crests : heraldic crests of > Suffolk families" or a similar book, and could look up a family crest > for me. I would appreciate any help with this. I have a picture of the > crest that I could send to anyone who is willing to help me. > Yours, > Tricia Daten? > Port Alberni, Canada > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Sacha Hubbard

The Suffolk heraldic dictionary is organised in the "ordinary" system adopted by Papworth. Thus to be able to look something up, it helps to use their terminology. On the assumption that what you have called a tower is actually a castle, there is no castle with a bird on top of it in Joan Corder's book. One of the Turners has a chess rook as a motif, but no bird with it. Nothing else under chess rook, looks likely. In respect of the silver marks, you will find them available on a website somewhere. Wishing you every success in your researches Giles Colchester, Researching COLCHESTER family, any spelling, any time, any place And PACKARD in Suffolk Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:41:15 -0800 From: TRICIA <tricia.datene@shaw.ca> Subject: [SFK-UK] Family Crests To: SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com Hello all, I have a conundrum regarding a silver teapot I inherited from a Suffolk ancestor. The teapot is a Regency period design (King George IV), and is dated 1822 and made in London. The maker mark is 'WF', but I can't find the maker. It came to me from my Grandfather, who was a Holt-Wilson from Redgrave. His mother was a Turner. Other family names were Hales, Pollard, and Tong. The trouble is, I do not know which family the teapot came from. The crest portrays a tower with a bird on top. I wonder if anyone has a copy of "A dictionary of Suffolk crests : heraldic crests of Suffolk families" or a similar book, and could look up a family crest for me. I would appreciate any help with this. I have a picture of the crest that I could send to anyone who is willing to help me. Yours, Tricia Daten? Port Alberni, Canada

Hi Nivard, I completely agree with you. Being on numerous lists, going "digest" would bring in only one list for each group, but if these are active lists there can be 40/ 50 mails to each digest that still have to be read. Being on a "list" at least they can be picked up and read as and when you choose. Then there is the problem that some people when replying to a digest, reply to the digest as it were not the posting in question, so the whole digest gets re-posted. I can only suggest that people get good anti spam systems or change the ISP to one that has these built in. I am aware that a lot of people don't like AOL but I don't like spam either, For various business and hobby reasons I have 5 AOL addys and get maybe one or two spams per week in total. You pays your money and takes your choice. Mick

Tuere are two I can find WILLIAM Fountain and WILLIAM FRISBEE regards Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "TRICIA" <tricia.datene@shaw.ca> To: <SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Family Crests Hello all, I have a conundrum regarding a silver teapot I inherited from a Suffolk ancestor. The teapot is a Regency period design (King George IV), and is dated 1822 and made in London. The maker mark is 'WF', but I can't find the maker. It came to me from my Grandfather, who was a Holt-Wilson from Redgrave. His mother was a Turner. Other family names were Hales, Pollard, and Tong. The trouble is, I do not know which family the teapot came from. The crest portrays a tower with a bird on top. I wonder if anyone has a copy of "A dictionary of Suffolk crests : heraldic crests of Suffolk families" or a similar book, and could look up a family crest for me. I would appreciate any help with this. I have a picture of the crest that I could send to anyone who is willing to help me. Yours, Tricia Datené Port Alberni, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2011/01/28 18:41, TRICIA wrote: > I have a conundrum regarding a silver teapot I inherited from a Suffolk > ancestor. > The teapot is a Regency period design (King George IV), and is dated > 1822 and made in London. The maker mark is 'WF', but I can't find the maker. > It came to me from my Grandfather, who was a Holt-Wilson from Redgrave. > His mother was a Turner. Other family names were Hales, Pollard, and > Tong. The trouble is, I do not know which family the teapot came from. > The crest portrays a tower with a bird on top. I wonder if anyone > has a copy of "A dictionary of Suffolk crests : heraldic crests of > Suffolk families" or a similar book, and could look up a family crest > for me. I would appreciate any help with this. I have a picture of the > crest that I could send to anyone who is willing to help me. This site may help you :-) http://www.925-1000.com/dlLondon.html -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Hi Honor Thanks for the info. I actually have a Spam fighter. If I label some message as spam it won't let it through again with that email address but the scoundrels just submit new addresses continually! I shudder at the thought of all the people I have to advise of my new address. Keep putting it off! I am sure to forget someone important! Cheers Marj. -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of NOREEN KENNEDY Sent: Friday, 28 January 2011 6:05 PM To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Change of email Yes unsub and then resub to list. spam curse of life. hope it solves the problem. if not google freeware and see if they have an anti spam program. Good luck see you soon with new addy. Honor Please don't judge me on what I have achieved, but what I have overcome. Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body. Rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" ________________________________ From: Mac and Marj McCulley <mcculley@wideband.net.au> To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 28 January, 2011 3:57:07 Subject: [SFK-UK] Change of email Due to the amount of rubbish coming in on my email account I am forced to change my email address. The spam is coming in with ordinary names attached, as on this list, so hopefully a new email address will solve the problem and it will not start up again. In order for me to continue receiving mail from this fantastic list do I unsubscribe and then subscribe again with new email address? Many thanks Marj. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

TRICIA <tricia.datene@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hello all, > I have a conundrum regarding a silver teapot I inherited from a Suffolk > ancestor. > The teapot is a Regency period design (King George IV), and is dated > 1822 and made in London. The maker mark is 'WF', but I can't find the > maker. It came to me from my Grandfather, who was a Holt-Wilson from > Redgrave. His mother was a Turner. Other family names were Hales, > Pollard, and Tong. The trouble is, I do not know which family the > teapot came from. The crest portrays a tower with a bird on top. I > wonder if anyone has a copy of "A dictionary of Suffolk crests : > heraldic crests of Suffolk families" or a similar book, and could look > up a family crest for me. I would appreciate any help with this. I > have a picture of the crest that I could send to anyone who is willing > to help me. Yours, Hi Tricia Can't say that I am an expert but have just googled and found the following page:- http://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestDetails.aspx?id=80152 Does the crest on that page look the same as yours? One of the family's mentioned is Dove and they have a connection with Stradbroke, Suffolk. Another family mentioned is Bridges but I will leave Pat to confirm whether this is her family crest! Brian

The sort of records you are requesting can be accessed at the three branches of the Suffolk Record office. You mention both Stowmarket and Ipswich. Both these towns are covered by the Ipswich Branch of the SRO. Other branches are in Bury St Edmunds and in Lowestoft, with a Local Studies Centre at the public library in Sudbury. It is always best to contact the SRO before visiting to check whether they have the records that you are looking for, you would neen to let them know which school log books etc that you require to search. Parish records showing baptisms, banns, marriages and burials are available at all three branches for the whole county as are census returns. SRO at http://www.suffolk.gov.uk/LeisureAndCulture/LocalHistoryAndHeritage/SuffolkRecordOffice/ If you are intending to visit, remember to book a fiche reader in advance so that you can check the burials, you will of course need to know the parish. Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "n-ashby" <n-ashby@o2.co.uk> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: [SFK-UK] Museums & Cemetery's > Do any of the museums,in Stowmaket Ipswich,have a local study room,with > records of interest,like a museum near me,has local school > registers,amongst other records and is it possible to view burial > records,for Ipswich Stowmarket cemetery's. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Due to the amount of rubbish coming in on my email account I am forced to change my email address. The spam is coming in with ordinary names attached, as on this list, so hopefully a new email address will solve the problem and it will not start up again. In order for me to continue receiving mail from this fantastic list do I unsubscribe and then subscribe again with new email address? Many thanks Marj.

Hi Colin Sorry for replying to this off topic subject but am baffled as to why they even have a digest mode which I personally find completely unworkable It requires much more work to reply to a post and I simply can't see the point IMHO With list mode you can easily sort by thread, sender or address, none of which is possible with digest I am on over 50 lists and if digest was the only option I would not be on any A good way to cut down spam is use a good email client such as gmail Just a thought Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Marj, > When you set up your new email address you might want to consider > re-subscribing to the 'digest' version of the list. > Then once every day you will receive one big email message addressed > from "suffolk-request@rootsweb.com" subdivided into the day's individual > messages. > > Much easier to sift the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. > > Best regards. > Colin Fenn > London

Marj, When you set up your new email address you might want to consider re-subscribing to the 'digest' version of the list. Then once every day you will receive one big email message addressed from "suffolk-request@rootsweb.com" subdivided into the day's individual messages. Much easier to sift the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. Best regards. Colin Fenn London ---- Mac and Marj McCulley <mcculley@wideband.net.au> wrote: >Due to the amount of rubbish coming in on my email account I am forced to >change my email address. >The spam is coming in with ordinary names attached, as on this list, so >hopefully a new email address will solve the problem and it will not start >up again. >In order for me to continue receiving mail from this fantastic list do I >unsubscribe and then subscribe again with new email address? >Many thanks >Marj.

Hello all, I have a conundrum regarding a silver teapot I inherited from a Suffolk ancestor. The teapot is a Regency period design (King George IV), and is dated 1822 and made in London. The maker mark is 'WF', but I can't find the maker. It came to me from my Grandfather, who was a Holt-Wilson from Redgrave. His mother was a Turner. Other family names were Hales, Pollard, and Tong. The trouble is, I do not know which family the teapot came from. The crest portrays a tower with a bird on top. I wonder if anyone has a copy of "A dictionary of Suffolk crests : heraldic crests of Suffolk families" or a similar book, and could look up a family crest for me. I would appreciate any help with this. I have a picture of the crest that I could send to anyone who is willing to help me. Yours, Tricia Datené Port Alberni, Canada