Hello Brad, i tried this and it worked. Thankyou very much for the help. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Rogers" <brad@fineby.me.uk> To: "Suffolk ML" <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Death Certificate > On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:37:07 -0500 > "Bob Stephenson" <rstephenson3@cogeco.ca> wrote: > > Hello Bob, > >> ( May 1985 ). After all is entered i go to the next step and it comes >> back that i must enter the month and year ( which is already >> entered ). I di need help. > > At the GRO? > > If you enter may 1985, you're doing it wrong. Use 05/85 instead, like > it tells you to. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3435 - Release Date: 02/10/11 >

Three pieces of advice given to me when I was starting out which have consistently proved useful: 1) follow the paper trail. Assume that the baptism in 1766 is NOT your man, then see if you can follow this other chap through marriage and burial. If he disappears off the face of the earth after baptism, there is a good chance he is your man after all. If you find someone else of the same name being married and buried in south Suffolk around this time, you'll need to think again. 2) remember that we are only baptised and buried once, and are unlikely to marry more than a couple of times. But there are other people's life events which may well shed light on us - if your man had children of his own who were baptised or married, or if his parents had other children who were baptised or married, it may enable you to pin him down to a particular parish at a particular time. I have pinpointed a couple of my ancestors simply because they witnessed other people's marriages (albeit after 1837). If you go sideways, you may well be able to build up a network which shows the geographical shape of the family, and you can then follow the paper trail (see 1!) 3) apply Occam's Razor: 'the most sufficient explanation is most likely to be the correct one'. This doesn't mean you should take the Whelnetham baptism at face value, but rather as you build a plenitude of sufficiency, so you will begin to see the validity or otherwise of your assumptions. I would add a further thought that south Suffolk was a hotbed of non-conformism in the 18th century. If you can find someone of the right age who was baptised or received into a non-conformist community at the right time it may well prove that the connection to Great Whelnetham is erroneous. Simon www.suffolkchurches.co.uk On 09/02/2011 20:32, neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com wrote: > Good day fellow researchers, > I have a general question which I am looking for advice on. I have an > ancestor who dies in Monks Eleigh in 1825 and is married in Monks Eleigh > in 1786. There doesn't appear to be a baptism in Monks Eleigh at the > correct tIme but there is a baptism in 1766 in Great Welnetham which other > researchers have taken to be the correct one. > > My question is the obvious one, what corroborative evidence could be > available for this assumption? > > Regards, > > Neil > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Neil, If the name is common to the district, it can be difficult. If a labourer, then the twenty years or so at marriage is spot on but if the ancestor were a landowning one, then one would expect him to marry at age 25 so a baptism about 1760 would be about right, plus he would most likely have kinsfolk in that area. Yeomen's sons would help out on dad's farm until 25 and then be rewarded with some land to start them off as members of the freeholding class. This was considered important at that time. Or land might come with the marriage. People took care to marry within their'class' and that can also be helpful to researchers. About 1600, more than 50% of the popuation were freeholders.People then were a lot more mobile than we give them credit for. My own family did not move very far in 600 years but they did move from parish to parish every generation or so, and sometimes with a great jump. The reason was always land. If you have reason to assume you might have found a suitable candidate, then a search of the manorial court rolls might prove helpful. Like father, like son. 1825 marked the end of rural East Anglia's prosperity and almost all men became ag-labs from then on but don't assume that this was so, prior to that date. Happy hunting, David. --- On Thu, 10/2/11, neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com <neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com> wrote: From: neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com <neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com> Subject: [SFK-UK] General advice To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 10, February, 2011, 9:32 AM Good day fellow researchers, I have a general question which I am looking for advice on. I have an ancestor who dies in Monks Eleigh in 1825 and is married in Monks Eleigh in 1786. There doesn't appear to be a baptism in Monks Eleigh at the correct tIme but there is a baptism in 1766 in Great Welnetham which other researchers have taken to be the correct one. My question is the obvious one, what corroborative evidence could be available for this assumption? Regards, Neil ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning everyone, i have a little problem when ordering a death certifcate from certificate services. My only problem is when i enter the month and the year for the death ( May 1985 ). After all is entered i go to the next step and it comes back that i must enter the month and year ( which is already entered ). I di need help. Bob

Hi Neil My first job would be to check the PRs in the places mentioned to see if there are any other events for your prospective groom If there is a burial soon after baptism (which do not as a rule appear on the IGI) its a bit of a clue you have the wrong man, similarly was there another marriage or children to the same name in the time frame ? Have you seen the original marriage recording? does it mention any other details Did he leave a will? Who else of the same name is buried in the same place ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Good day fellow researchers, > I have a general question which I am looking for advice on. I have an > ancestor who dies in Monks Eleigh in 1825 and is married in Monks Eleigh > in 1786. There doesn't appear to be a baptism in Monks Eleigh at the > correct tIme but there is a baptism in 1766 in Great Welnetham which other > researchers have taken to be the correct one. > > My question is the obvious one, what corroborative evidence could be > available for this assumption? > > Regards, > > Neil

Hi everyone, I've been looking for this guy ever since the topic came up but can't find him anywhere.!!!! Mick

On 2011/02/09 22:32, neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com wrote: > I have a general question which I am looking for advice on. I have an > ancestor who dies in Monks Eleigh in 1825 and is married in Monks Eleigh > in 1786. There doesn't appear to be a baptism in Monks Eleigh at the > correct tIme but there is a baptism in 1766 in Great Welnetham which other > researchers have taken to be the correct one. > > My question is the obvious one, what corroborative evidence could be > available for this assumption? A difficult one to answer :-) At that time, the Marriage register is extremely unlikely to give the parents. The addition of Father's names and occupations only came in 1837. Ages were generally only given as 'of full age' - and people fibbed - so that's not going to be of any use unless a number was given. Even then, it might be a fib! By rights, if one or other was not a resident of the parish, the Marriage register should give the name of the parish they belonged to. But again, this is not always reliable. The Baptism register is also unlikely to add much in the way of extra clues. You'll get the Father's name and Surname, but probably only the Mother's name (unless very unlucky) and not her maiden name. If you're lucky, the register might give a date of birth, but this would be the exception rather than a rule. So, you're going to have to resort to what ever other papers from the parish that might have survived. Those are going to involve a long, long and probably fruitless, search, unless one or other attracted the attention of the Overseers. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Good day fellow researchers, I have a general question which I am looking for advice on. I have an ancestor who dies in Monks Eleigh in 1825 and is married in Monks Eleigh in 1786. There doesn't appear to be a baptism in Monks Eleigh at the correct tIme but there is a baptism in 1766 in Great Welnetham which other researchers have taken to be the correct one. My question is the obvious one, what corroborative evidence could be available for this assumption? Regards, Neil

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Author: diamondlifestyle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.19.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi Lisa, I seems to have found the whole East family: John & Mary had the following children: LUCY EAST bap 11 Mar 1790 Sarah Anne East bap 26 Dec 1792 John East born Sept 1794, bap 25 Mar 1796 George East bap 25 Mar 1796 ?Philip Turner East born 05 Feb 1807, bap 08 Feb 1807 Philip seems a bit later; his mother's surname was listed as Hicks. John East, the father of the above children, was I think also from Kersey, I've found the following family from the 1760s, and these were the only 2 East families in this parish at the time, so I think there's a good chance they're related: George & Elizabeth East had the following children: George East bap 30 Sep 1759 George East born 06 Mar 1761, bap 28 Dec 1762 JOHN EAST bap 28 Dec 1762 Benjamin East born 12 Mar 1769, bap 29 May 1775 I've also got George & Elizabeth's marriage; her surname was Harston and they married at Kersey 17 Aug 1756 For Thomas it's more difficult without knowing a parish; I've carried out a search on the IGI of all the Thomas Syretts born 20 years either side of 1790 within Suffolk (filtered so only the IGI results are shown and not those entered by LDS members) and I've found the following: Thomas Syrett bap 20 Jun 1782 @ Bacton (son of Thomas & Margaret) Thomas Strett bap 15 Jun 1783 @ Somersham (son of Thomas & Rachel) Hope that helps Kate -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: diamondlifestyle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.22.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi David, I'm afraid I've not got the Stanton records, and all the usual suspects (IGI / FreeReg) are showing a blank. hope you find the record, it might be worth looking for enlistment papers, they usually list next-of-kin Kate -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jodakist Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.22.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your reply Kate, unfortunately Charles' records obtained from the Chelsea Pensioners Records, give details of his attestation but not any details of his next of kin etc only that he came from Stanton. I will have to arrange to make a trip to Bury St Edmunds Records Office and view the original registers to "hopefully" find Charles and his parents and siblings, if any. I know that there are several Stebbings (various spellings) in Stanton but just don't know who is who! Thank you again for your reply David -------------------------------------------------- Re: Stebbings family from Stanton, Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ELLinSpain Surnames: stebbings Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8659.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: as birth registration was not mandatory till 1870's.... also, it would depend on their faith and therefore what church they used.. maybe Name: Charles Stebbings Gender: Male Spouse's name: Betsy Lane Marriage Date: 19 Aug 1835 Marriage Place: St.Mary New Market, Suffolk, England St.Mary New Market, Suffolk, England; Collection -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Loraine_Hill Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.23/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Kate, I wonder if you have access to the Walpole parish registers, I am looking for the Baptism of Henry Mountain/Mounting b.c. 1811. Thanks for your time. Best wishes Loraine -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: colinclarke1945 Surnames: CLARKE CLARK Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.21.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ..."hi I've got Richard Clarke, baptised 23/12/1832 at Walsham le Willows, son of John and Elizabeth Clarke...." Thank you Kate ! -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: diamondlifestyle Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.23.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi, only got the independent for Walpole, he's not in there. hope you find it! -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LisaSyrette Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.19.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Kate Thanks ever so much for this - I didn't imagine you would be able to find so much information. That is definitely our Easts - Lucy had a brother George from family reports. Your generosity in devoting time to this is very much appreciated. Thanks again Lisa -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Loraine_Hill Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.23.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Kate, Thanks for taking the time to look. Hopefully one day! Best wishes Loraine -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I contacted Leonie earlier today to let her know that there was interest in the Richardson family again. This is the email address that she gave me for family history enquiries. Try again, if it still not working I will give her another call. Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just a thought, if you click on the eamil address I gave, an email form will appear. If you copy/type it, remember the underscore. Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: Thomas French b.1838 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Lindacalvert11 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8658.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jan It's a small world, my husband's family (Calvert) are also from Yorkshire, around the Ripon area, not too far from Leeds! The reason I asked about occupation is that I found a Thomas French on the 1871 & 1881 census who I thought might be worth checking out, he had a son named Thomas Samuel (your Thomas's father's name) and although I can't make out his occupation on the 1871 census it's Instrument maker on the 1881 census. I think this probably refers to surgical/mechanical type instruments rather than musical ones, and this would possibly tie in with your Thomas who on the 1851 census was an apprentice whitesmith (metalworker). A bit tenuous, I know, but may be worth a look. 1871 Middlesex>Isleworth>Dist8>35 Thomas French 35 b.1838 Lambeth occupation (Fitter?) Sarah 30 b.1841 Hackney Thomas Samuel 7 b.1864 Hounslow best wishes Linda -------------------------------------------------- Re: Stebbings family from Stanton, Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jodakist Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8659.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your reply to my posting. I realise that Charles might not have been Christened in either of the churches in Stanton or even in the locality of the village, Church or chapel but I have to start by knowing what's in the parish registers for the churches there. Unfortunately the marriage entry that you mention is not for the right Charles but thank you anyway for taking the time to help me, it is appreciated. Regards David -------------------------------------------------- parish records look up This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: groundweed Surnames: Goodrich Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8664/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Kate Any chance you can help me. I'm looking for the first wife of my G G Grandfather.Also the name of his mother. His name was James Goodrich b. 1807ish Bury St Edmunds. I have his 2nd marriage cert. It states he was a widow? His 2nd marriage was to Elizabeth Hogger 31st Dec 1850 Acton,Sudbury. His father was Thomas Goodrich but who was his mother? They seem to be connected in Bury St Edmunds/Brent Eligh/Naylands and Sudbury. Can you help. -------------------------------------------------- Re: TC Druce of Baker Street Bazaar This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jackiespeel Surnames: Druce Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/3658.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are brief articles at Your Archives wiki (and several files in The National Archives) and The History files. As an amusing aside - it would have been possible for Lenin to have observed the tale end of the subsidiary trials as he was in London at the time. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: etricker1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Debra, Hi, I tried to post a message to this board this morning but for some reason got an error message and the board do not accept the post. I am related to the following Richardson families/ folks who are the children of Edmund James and Susannah Jane Richardson nee Beaumont. The relationship is through my Whymark family. Alice Richardson, who married Albert Frederick Whymark; William James Richardson, who married Lily Jane Whymark. And lastly Ben T Richardson married one of my grand Aunts. Alfred Ernest William "Titch" Richardson married another of my cousins. Debra, if your mother, is the second youngest child of Edmund James and Susannah Jane, then we are connected. I would love to catch up with you and exchange data from our respective family trees -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: etricker1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Debra Hi again A correction Debra, if your mother, is the second youngest child of William James and Lily Jane Richardson nee Whymark, then we are connected! Eddie -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vaughanyoung Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, Just picked up both of your messages - you must be a cousin of My Auntie Una who married Ernest (Titch) Richardson? My Uncle Titch was my Mum's eldest brother. My Mum lives in Colchester - she has three sisters still living - My Auntie Bubbles (Alice) living in Boxford, Suffolk, My Auntie Edna living in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk and my Auntie Evie living in Canada. I live in Capel St Mary, Suffolk. Where are you and who are your parents/grandpaents? Is your tree posted on Ancestry? Look forward to hearing from you, Debra -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: etricker1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: G'day Debra (spoken in a broad laconic Australian accent) Nice to see your reply. I'm an Aussie, first generation on my father's side, and live in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Yes, Una Janet is a 2nd cousin, 2 times removed to myself. Whilst your Uncle 'Titch' is a 4th cousin, 1 time removed to me, common ancestors are William Wymark, (sic) and Elizabeth Clifford, who married in 1785, in Lindsey. Double connected, I'm afraid. But then again we have been in the local area for a good many years, so things like this were bound to happen. The Tricker /Whymark link or connection goes back to my 3rd great grandmother, Sarah Wymark, (sic) baptised Lindsey, in 1793. The Family seat is Boxford, moving to Groton and then back to Hadleigh where Tricker's were having children in the late 1500's. We no doubt related, though don't know quite which set of ancestors gives us the best common link. My preference would be to talk to you via email. Eddie -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vaughanyoung Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Eddie, Wow, you're a long way away!! I've been watching the tennis from Melbourne over the last couple of weeks - I'm a mad tennis fan! Unfortunately our man didn't win. My email address is vaughan.young@btopenworld.com (I use my husband's e-mail at home - our Ancestry account is is his name too). Be good to hear from you, am interested to see who your parents and grandparents are. The Whymark's were a really large family in the Cosford area of Suffolk - I'm sure a good number of them married cousins over the years and then all named their children the same names so that sosmetimes it's extremely difficult to work out who belonged to who!! My Mum will be very interested to hear about you and your link. My Grandmother - Lilly Whymark married a Richardson and they too were a pretty large family in the same area. Hope to hear from you soon, Debra -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.2.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Eddie (hello there ;) and Debra, The good news is that the Cosford-Database will be back in the next few weeks and will no doubt be of help again. Since dear Ray passed away, several of the original researchers who helped Ray with data have continued to research, so there will be updated material available. Working on the Suffolk Surnames List which will be back soon too. Frustrating around here at the moment, the road through our village to Monks Eleigh (and beyond such as Hadleigh and Ipswich) is closed, so I thought I would try another route, then found that road closed at Lindsey, now I find that Cox Hill in Boxford (Hadleigh Hamlet)is closed. Lots of road repairs in south Suffolk at the moment :-)) Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: etricker1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.2.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: G'day Suffolkmawther That is very good news. Have been talking to several "back channel" and was told that it was being worked on with possible 'additions' in the future. I have been using the archived versions, but it is hard work sometimes, particularly when the data wasn't there! Such a valuable tool to my area of genie research. Roads have been a problem here also, mainly been under water! Damage in other states of Aussie though has been total from water, as you may have seen on your tele. eddie --------------------------------------------------

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Very often a patient dies as a result of fighting infection over many weeks in the days before anti-biotics and blood transfusions etc etc. So someone who has been ill with Typhoid or similar problem will gradually become more ill and will eat and drink less, thereby death is caused by gradual exhaustion. I also heard a programme on BBC Radio 4 recently when a discussion on depression stated that in the Victorian days, when little was understood about severe depression, this was often referred to as 'exhaustion'. Bearing in mind that St Audry's was used for patients suffering from illnesses such as depression this might be correct in your ancestors case. quote ...date of admission: 4/19/1849 date of death: 1/26/1850 unquote ... * Presumably he was admitted on the 19th of April and passed away on the 26th January the following year. Treatment for mental illnesses usually meant hospitalisation for a very long time. Regards, Pat ... * English dates show day, month, year - -------------------------------------------------- Re: parish records lookups This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jodakist Surnames: Stebbings Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8609.22/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Kate, I wonder if you have records for Stanton? I found that my wife's great grandfather, Charles Stebbings was born there c1814. I have looked at the transcripts held by the LDS but I think that they ended about 1812 but am not sure as it was a couple of years ago when I read through them and at that time I thought that Charles was born c1800 so might have given up before reaching the 1814 entries. I only found a more accurate date for his birth from his army discharge records which became available on-line at the end of last year. If you do have records covering this period and you have time, please will you see if you can find any information on Charles' Christening, especially who his parents were, if listed. Thank you David -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vaughanyoung Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Rod, Hello! My Mum was born and bred in Edwardstone, Suffolk - not far from Hadleigh. She now lives in Colchester and has done since her and my Dad married. I live in Capel St Mary, Suffolk - only about 10 mins drive from Hadleigh. There are only 4 sisters living from my Mum's family now out of a total of about 12 brothers and sisters. My Mum is the second youngest. Her Dad was a Williiam Richardson, son of Edmund James Richardson. Grimsey Richardson is my 3rd Great Grandfather but I can trace back a further two generations still in the same area. I have details about the Cousins' too - although beyond Deborah Cousins' parents is not clear. The info I have I've picked up from someone else's tree. You'll see that I've posted a comment on her father William's profile. There were several William Cousins' born at the same time and they all seemed to marry Marys - some married more than once so it is very difficult to prove exactly which one is the correct line to follow!! -------------------------------------------------- Re: 1851 Census Lookup Please This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jodakist Surnames: Richardson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8485.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't know whether you are still after this information as it's over two years since your posting? I have not been able to find either William or Mary on the 1851 census, however they are on the 1861 census, it shows that William was born in Balsham (that is a village near Linton),Cambridgeshire, in 1806 and Mary was born in Little Wratting, Suffolk in 1806. I hope this helps. David -------------------------------------------------- Stebbings family from Stanton, Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jodakist Surnames: Stebbings Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8659/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to find information on my wife's family. Census records show that her grandfather, William Stebbings was born in Stanton, Suffolk c1846. His father was Charles Stebbings who was also born there c1814. However, I have not been able to find any other records for them other than censuses and Charles' Army Discharge papers. Are there any other people with Stebbings family from this area in their trees who have any information on either of these please? -------------------------------------------------- Tattingstone Workhouse This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maxdouble Surnames: Double Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8660/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Martha Double and 4 children were in Tattingstone Workhouse in the 1841 census. Are the workhouse records for say 1840 available in one or other of the record ofices (I can't find them if they are). -------------------------------------------------- Re: Samuel Moore and Elizabeth Cleveland This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alanpeak98 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/1467.1543.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Alan Peak was alan.peak2@baesystems.com now alan.peak@yahoo.co.uk -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rodrichardson666 Surnames: Richardson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Debra, I find it fascinating that you still live in the same area. I'm afraid I was only very young when my grandparents died so didn't get to know them and regrettably my father never spoke much about his family and I never asked! I think we could be 3rd cousins - was your grandfather William James Richardson born 1889 ? My great grandfather was William Andrew Richardson brother of Edmund James Richardson. Coincidently William Andrew and my grand father William Edward also lived for a time in Colchester as your mother does - William Andrew actually died in 1928 when living in Harsnett Road. I must confess I've never been to the south Suffolk area but plan to in the near future to explore all the little villages around Hadleigh that keep coming up on census and birth records for the Richardson's. If you know of any other 'living' Richardson's I'd be grateful for any info - I had know idea the Richardson's were so extensive! I hope you don't mind but I've attached a couple of e mails from people who e mailed me following my last message who are keen to get in contact with you ------------------------------------------------------------ Hello Rod, I was born a Richardson, and cousin of mine in Australia sent me the link to your RootsWeb messages with Debra Young, as I no longer have an Ancestry account I can't reply to the thread, but fortunately you posted your e-mail address. Debra and I share the same gt grandfather, Edmund James from Edwardstone, but I am not sure who your William Edward's father was? Unfortunately it is some years since I researched the Richardson line, and also I am moving house so all my files are packed, otherwise I would probably know. Several Richardsons, including my own grandmother, when she was widowed young, moved to London after the wars, it was a great change from rural Suffolk, made a necessary move in a recession. If Debra did reply to you giving an e-mail address I would like to contact her, you have my permission to send her my e-mail address. I don't have a tree on-line as they tend to be snatched and canabalised. Just a note of warning, please don't take as fact anything you find on someone else's tree or indeed on the internet! I have horror stores as long as my arm! But it is a wonderful hobby, very addictive and I wish you many, many years of happy detective work. By the way, I now live in Suffolk and am happy to be back in the county where I have ancestors. on my father's side, going back over 700 years (Yes, all my own research!!) with best wishes Natalie Dickson ------------------------------------------------------------ G'day Rod Richardson If you have a family connection with Leonie Smith at all, then no doubt you are also directly related or an "In Law" to myself. Most probably the latter???? There are several Richardson / Tricker - Tricker / Richardson connections in my small family tree. Off the top of my head, Leonie Smith is connected to the Tricker's through the Richardson line, and Una Janet Tricker, (1920 - 2007), Una is a 2nd cousin, twice removed to myself. Whilst Una's husband, Alfred Ernest William Richardson, (1916 - 1999), is a 4th cousin, one time removed to myself. I have never taken this line back any further than to James Richardson, who married Sarah Arterton on 24 March 1856, in Whatfield, Suffolk, England. You might like to pass this post onto Debra Young for me, as I would like to hear from her also. Eddie Tricker ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rodrichardson666 Surnames: richardson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Debra, Re last message - Sorry didn't realise I couldn't enter other peoples e mail addresses - had trouble posting message initially but when I removed e mail addresses all ok. Obviously up to you but feel free to e mail me direct if you want, and I can forward on to you, but fully understand if you'd rather not. Rod -------------------------------------------------- Re: Thomas Wigg and Judith Simpson This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jmanne Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/3606.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thomas Mannell-1. He was born Abt. 1756. He died on 15 Jun 1814 in Westleton Suffolk. Ellizabeth Godard. She was born Abt. 1766. She died on 09 Feb 1853 in Westleton Suffolk. Thomas Mannell and Ellizabeth Godard. They were married on 04 Oct 1785 in Westleton Suffolk. They had 8 children. 2. i. Joseph Mannell [1]. He was born Abt. 1802 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 07 Feb 1802 in Westleton Suffolk. He married Elizabeth Mannell (GAYFORD). They were married on 18 Feb 1833 in Kensington Middlesex. Occupation 1834 in 10 Mill pond Street (Cheesemonger). He died 1868 in Bermondsey. ii. Samuel Mannell. He was born 1791 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 06 Feb 1791 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. He died on 19 Nov 1807 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. 3. iii. Thomas Mannell. He was born 1791 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 06 Feb 1791 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. He married Hannah Wigg. They were married on 21 Jun 1822 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. He died on 15 Mar 1865 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. Occupation in Westleton, Suffolk, England (carter). iv. Elizabeth Mannell. She was born 1794 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 19 Jan 1794 in Westleton Suffolk. 4. v. William Mannell. He was born 1796 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 13 Jul 1796 in Westleton Suffolk. Occupation was Cheesmonger Master. vi. Richard Mannell. He was born 1799 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 20 Jan 1799 in Westleton Suffolk. vii. Henry Mannell [2]. He was born 1804 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 14 Aug 1804 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. Residence 1841 in Westleton, Suffolk, England [2]. He died on 22 May 1844 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. viii. susan Mannell. She was born 1808 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 05 Jul 1808 in Westleton Suffolk. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Thomas Wigg and Judith Simpson This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jmanne Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/3606.2.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thomas Mannell-1. He was born Abt. 1756. He died on 15 Jun 1814 in Westleton Suffolk. Ellizabeth Godard. She was born Abt. 1766. She died on 09 Feb 1853 in Westleton Suffolk. Thomas Mannell and Ellizabeth Godard. They were married on 04 Oct 1785 in Westleton Suffolk. They had 8 children. 2. i. Joseph Mannell [1]. He was born Abt. 1802 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 07 Feb 1802 in Westleton Suffolk. He married Elizabeth Mannell (GAYFORD). They were married on 18 Feb 1833 in Kensington Middlesex. Occupation 1834 in 10 Mill pond Street (Cheesemonger). He died 1868 in Bermondsey. ii. Samuel Mannell. He was born 1791 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 06 Feb 1791 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. He died on 19 Nov 1807 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. 3. iii. Thomas Mannell. He was born 1791 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 06 Feb 1791 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. He married Hannah Wigg. They were married on 21 Jun 1822 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. He died on 15 Mar 1865 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. Occupation in Westleton, Suffolk, England (carter). iv. Elizabeth Mannell. She was born 1794 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 19 Jan 1794 in Westleton Suffolk. 4. v. William Mannell. He was born 1796 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 13 Jul 1796 in Westleton Suffolk. Occupation was Cheesmonger Master. vi. Richard Mannell. He was born 1799 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 20 Jan 1799 in Westleton Suffolk. vii. Henry Mannell [2]. He was born 1804 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 14 Aug 1804 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. Residence 1841 in Westleton, Suffolk, England [2]. He died on 22 May 1844 in Westleton, Suffolk, England. viii. susan Mannell. She was born 1808 in Westleton Suffolk. Christening on 05 Jul 1808 in Westleton Suffolk. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Tattingstone Workhouse This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8660.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Tattingstone was the workhouse for the Samford Union, so you need to look under Samford. Extensive holdings include: Minute books (1764-1930); Births (1848-1946); Baptisms (1813-1943); Deaths (1848-1946); Burials (1899-1930); Register of married couples (1914-39); Register of lunatics (1889-1918); Register of mechanical restraint (1892-1916); Creed registers (1893-1945); Register of persons receiving infants for reward (1909-29); Admissions and discharges (1915-45); Ledgers (1794-1930); Master's journals (1913-31); etc. More information and photographs on Peter's excellent http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: Tattingstone Workhouse This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8660.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Forgot to say these are at the Ipswich branch of the suffolk Record Office. Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: Thomas French b.1838 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: froggy461 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8658.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Linda, Thank you so much for your reply. The Frenches are on my husband's side of the family. I'm afraid we can't supply any more information. We were hopeful that an ancestor may have contacted us. Coincidentally, my grandmothers's maiden name was Calvert! from Leeds, Yorkshire. kind regards Jan -------------------------------------------------- parish records lookup This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: groundweed Surnames: Goodrich Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8661/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Kate are you still doing parish record look ups! I'm looking for the first wife of my G.G.Grandfather. His name was James Goodrich b.1807ish Bury St Edmounds. I have his 2nd marriage cert it states he was a widow? He married Elizabeth Hogger 31st Dec 1850 Acton Sudbury. His father was Thomas Goodrich I do not know who this mother was. The Goodrich's seem to be in the saddle/ harness business. With connections with Bury st Edmunds/Brent Eligh/ Naylands/Sudbury,all Suffolk. Can you help. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Tattingstone Workhouse This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maxdouble Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8660.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks. Now I know where they are, I can plead for someone to look for something for me. Thanks for taking the trouble to reply. Max -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you have any connections to the original Richardson researcher of this thread, you can contact Leonie directly on turquoise_floyd@yahoo.co.uk Pat ... on behalf of Leonie -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vaughanyoung Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Pat, Thanks for this, I've just send Leonie an e-mail so hopefully she'll see it and may be able to help me. Debra Young -------------------------------------------------- Re: Richardson Family From Hadleigh Area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vaughanyoung Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/769.3.2.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Pat, Sorry to bother you again but I thought I'd sent Leonie an e-mail to the address you gave but it's just come back as failed. Any ideas? Debra Young -------------------------------------------------

----- Original Message ----- From: <suffolk-request@rootsweb.com> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:01 AM Subject: SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 40 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re Overseas Correctors and Readers (Phil How) > 2. Re: Bean's Lane Burgate (Marg Keable) > 3. Re: Re Overseas Correctors and Readers (Mike Fry) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 08:53:08 -0000 > From: "Phil How" <phil@howlight.co.uk> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Re Overseas Correctors and Readers > To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <42EC61F1DF654C19AEFC7DFCD9E4ABB6@PdadmePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > An excellent Transliterasian! > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 07:34:28 +1000 > From: "Marg Keable" <mkeable@netconnect.com.au> > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Bean's Lane Burgate > To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000201cbc779$e8cfbdd0$23a6dccb@desktop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Keith, > Have I asked you if you have a Berney Beane in your tree? > Marg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Bean" <keithandjanebean@btinternet.com> > To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:54 PM > Subject: [SFK-UK] Bean's Lane Burgate > > >> Hi >> >> Are there any local historians out there who may know the origin of the >> name >> 'Beans Lane' in Burgate? >> >> My family lived in the village from at least 1650 until the mid 1800s and >> many Beans are buried in the churchyard which is not far from the lane >> that >> runs parallel to the existing road towards Wortham and is called Beans >> Lane >> >> Any help would or contact details for local historians would be much >> appreciated. >> >> Regards to all >> >> Keith Bean >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:17:26 +0200 > From: Mike Fry <fredbonzo@iafrica.com> > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Re Overseas Correctors and Readers > To: suffolk@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4D511836.3080501@iafrica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 2011/02/08 10:53, Phil How wrote: > >> An excellent Transliterasian! > > Puns 'r' Us! > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SUFFOLK list administrator, send an email to > SUFFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SUFFOLK mailing list, send an email to > SUFFOLK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 40 > **************************************

This couple may have moved to another village for a time and had kids baptised else where.I have relations  who lived in monks eleigh and had three children in monks eleigh and one in pakenham and one in stratford St. mary by the essex/suffolk border. My relations were James and Martha Fynn who had the lion pub there at that time. bernie fynn --- On Thu, 10/2/11, neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com <neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com> wrote: From: neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com <neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com> Subject: [SFK-UK] General advice To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Received: Thursday, 10 February, 2011, 9:32 AM Good day fellow researchers, I have a general question which I am looking for advice on. I have an ancestor who dies in Monks Eleigh in 1825 and is married in Monks Eleigh in 1786. There doesn't appear to be a baptism in Monks Eleigh at the correct tIme but there is a baptism in 1766 in Great Welnetham which other researchers have taken to be the correct one. My question is the obvious one, what corroborative evidence could be available for this assumption? Regards, Neil ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2011/02/08 10:53, Phil How wrote: > An excellent Transliterasian! Puns 'r' Us! -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

An excellent Transliterasian!

Keith, Have I asked you if you have a Berney Beane in your tree? Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Bean" <keithandjanebean@btinternet.com> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:54 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Bean's Lane Burgate > Hi > > Are there any local historians out there who may know the origin of the > name > 'Beans Lane' in Burgate? > > My family lived in the village from at least 1650 until the mid 1800s and > many Beans are buried in the churchyard which is not far from the lane > that > runs parallel to the existing road towards Wortham and is called Beans > Lane > > Any help would or contact details for local historians would be much > appreciated. > > Regards to all > > Keith Bean > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Mike I have been told that much of the transcription work for both companys was done in this Country (England or rather the UK) That is also true of the 1911 on FMP which as anyone can see is pretty dire as far as transcriptions go So although part of the problem is no doubt due to overseas transcribers with little knowledge of the local geography its hard to say what percentage of errors are due to that reason However in the main I can understand the majority of transcription errors (or rather misinterpretations) and the main problem is the handwriting of the enumerators apart from the 1911 which is in the hand of the householder or whoever they coerced into filling in the schedule Hindsight is a wonderful thing and we researchers looking back *knowing* what the name is can see what it should be, if anyone has done any volume of transcription work they will know just how difficult it is Apart from the difficulty of reading or interpreting the handwriting (which in itself is a transcription of the household schedules and therefore prone to its own errors) there is the problem encountered by some transcribers where you lose concentration because of the monotonous nature of it, not that its uninteresting but just repeating the same fields for many entries, often for places and people you have no personal interest in The same would have been true of the enumerators copying the schedules, I have several examples where the birth places are a line out and in one case the details are exactly right except for the surname which is completely different, I know its the right family as the address and all other information matches Where we get the Somalia for Somerset and the like I believe it is due to the quick select boxes found in some transcription recording software You key in the start of the place and it gives you a drop down selecting box with the alternatives, in many cases I believe its simply an error by the transcriber selecting the wrong option as they try to speed through the transcription, no doubt they were pressed to complete pages in as quick a time as they were able to achieve For those interested in the subject as I am they may be interested in the following which I transcribed a while back as I found it very relevant to the subject of enumerators errors and I think goes some way to explain how errors crept in due to pressures on the enumerator to finish in a timely fashion ---------------------------------- 1851 Census (from Histpop) Forms and Instructions p39 Allowances to Enumerators For various duties performed with respect to the census of the Population; including the delivery and collection of all necessary forms, the enumeration of houses in the district, and of the persons resident therein on the night of March 30th 1851, and the subsequent completion of his Enumeration schedule. £0 /18s/0d Note:- The above pay is subject to a deduction of 5s, if the Enumeration Schedule is not delivered into the hands of the Registrar before the 8th day of April 1851 If the Enumerator's District contain more than 300 inhabitants, an additional fee of 1s for every 60 persons duly enumerated above 300 In every District containing more than 25 inhabited houses, an additional 1s for every mile above 5 miles necessarily traversed by the Enumerator, in visiting every house within his District; but not including any distance traversed by him between his own place of abode and the first and last houses visited ------------------------------- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > The bulk of the problems, both on Ancestry and FMP, stem from the fact that the > transcribers were not native English speakers. Hence the sometimes laughable > mis-transcriptions, like Somalia for Somerset. The number 1 rule of any > transcription process is: Write What You See! If your first language is not > English, then I can easily see, from examination of the images, how some of the > errors have been made. > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg

Hi Keith, Very often these village place names originate from the family names associated with them. Many villages have cottages that still retain the name of the families who can be found living in them in early census records, such as Boutell's Cottage. No Boutell families have been in that village for over a hundred years. Beans Lane, it may not have had many residents in the past, so was referred to as such because of the family living there. Unfortunately there is no Local History Recorder in either Burgate or Wortham. I am on a recruiting drive at the moment and have contacted the parish council at Burgate but as yet no reply. Sorry for the long URL - hope it works, but if you go via the OneSuffolk website you will find the following - http://www.onesuffolk.co.uk/NR/rdonlyres/C5C7AF01-3D77-4E36-9FF3-50BF0D206FD5/0/MicrosoftWordHistoriesofWB.pdf the main page for Wortham and Burgate http://www.onesuffolk.co.uk/WorthamandBurgatePC Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Bean" <keithandjanebean@btinternet.com> > Hi > > Are there any local historians out there who may know the origin of the > name > 'Beans Lane' in Burgate? > > My family lived in the village from at least 1650 until the mid 1800s and > many Beans are buried in the churchyard which is not far from the lane > that > runs parallel to the existing road towards Wortham and is called Beans > Lane > > Any help would or contact details for local historians would be much > appreciated. > > Regards to all > > Keith Bean

Hi Are there any local historians out there who may know the origin of the name 'Beans Lane' in Burgate? My family lived in the village from at least 1650 until the mid 1800s and many Beans are buried in the churchyard which is not far from the lane that runs parallel to the existing road towards Wortham and is called Beans Lane Any help would or contact details for local historians would be much appreciated. Regards to all Keith Bean

*blushes* thank you Roger, I really should have noticed that in those PRs (dare I say it, in a parish just over the border in Norfolk), the handwriting had become clearer. I wondered if the new incumbent was perhaps a more educated man than his predecessor. Worth noting that if the handwriting does suddenly appear different, check to see if there is a change in the writer of the entries. Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Partridge" <rogerpartridge1934@gmail.com> To: "Patricia Bridges" <patricia@bridgessuffolk.plus.com>; <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] (Census errors) variations of spellings > Hi Pat ! No need to apologise ! - it is a very valuable piece of info > for any > "Newbies" on the List ! - and your contributions are always interesting > ! > Best Wishes ! Roger. > -------------------- > On 7 Feb 2011, at 10:47, Patricia Bridges wrote: > >> Apologies for the last message, I meant to send directly to Kay in >> confirmation of what she had found. >> Pat ... >> >> I recently found an ancestor's name written as Wyllym Brygges in parish >> records written in the 1500s. >> Suddenly there were no more events for our Brygges family. However >> there >> was a William and Mary having children whose names looked familiar, but >> their name was written as Bridges. But they all checked out with a >> Will we >> have at home. >> I then rechecked the PRs and there had been a change of incumbent - all >> the >> entries following the arrival of the new Reverend gentleman were >> written as >> Bridges. >> >> Pat ...

Hi Pat ! No need to apologise ! - it is a very valuable piece of info for any "Newbies" on the List ! - and your contributions are always interesting ! Best Wishes ! Roger. -------------------- On 7 Feb 2011, at 10:47, Patricia Bridges wrote: > Apologies for the last message, I meant to send directly to Kay in > confirmation of what she had found. > Pat ... > > I recently found an ancestor's name written as Wyllym Brygges in > parish > records written in the 1500s. > Suddenly there were no more events for our Brygges family. However > there > was a William and Mary having children whose names looked familiar, > but > their name was written as Bridges. But they all checked out with a > Will we > have at home. > I then rechecked the PRs and there had been a change of incumbent - > all the > entries following the arrival of the new Reverend gentleman were > written as > Bridges. > > Pat ... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simpkins FH" <simpkinsfh@googlemail.com> > To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:29 AM > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 38 > --------------------- >> Another point to remember is that the census takers could write, >> but the >> actual level of writing could be in doubt, the occupants >> themselves could >> be >> totally illiterate, and have now idea how their name had been >> written, or >> even how it was spelt. >> >> My husbands surname of Simpkins, is found a Simkins, Simkin, Simpkin. >> Simpkins, Sympkin, etc. My BIL said no they could not be our >> ancestors >> as >> our name has a p and a s, until I explained to him the literacy >> levels in >> the past. >> >> Kay > >