Hi Neil It may be of interest to you but the transcript for the PRs of Great Whelnetham are available on archive.org Select texts and search for Whelnetham Great Whelnetham parish registers, 1561 to 1850. Little Whelnetham parish register, 1557 to 1850 (1910) You can download a copy or read online Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Good day fellow researchers, > > I have followed the very good advice given to me by a number of people > on my original question and followed the paper trail. I looked for all the > relevant baptsms/marriages/burials in the relevant parishes. > > There is certainly no evidence to disprove the connection to the baptism. > I can find no evidence of events in Great Whelnetham post the baptism and > the dates all fit with him moving to Monks Eleigh. > > I wonder if someone with an Ancestry Premium Membership could check > something for me. > > There is a Suffolk Marriage between a Peter BOWERS and a Rebecca NUN. > Could someone please give me the date and location. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Neil

Gail, It is a good point Gail. Place of birth is not included on marriage certificates or death certificates in this country. On the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses, her marriage and death certificates and her husband's WWI service papers Ada is her name. Ada had no hand in what was entered on the census records, these being filled in by the superintendent of the home in 1891, her employer in 1901 and in 1911 her husband completed the form and these records conflict with the date on the Alice Maud Reeve birth certificate. However, I have yet to find an ancestor where the census ages are correct in every instance even when they have given the information themselves. My mother-in-law who was the informant on her death certificate and the age agrees with the year on the birth certificate for Alice Maud Reeve. By then Ada's husband had also died. My mother-in-law said that Ada always celebrated her birthday on 3rd March and although the date on the birth certificate for Alice Maud Reeve is 18th March 1882 the date of registration is 29th April, exactly 42 days after the 18th March. The Births and Deaths Act of 1874 imposed penalties for late registration, that is more than 42 days and many people who had left it too late often gave a false date of birth to escape the penalty. It makes me suspicious to see that and think that it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Alice Maud was actually born on 3rd March 1882. The age Ada gave on her marriage would give a year of birth of 1881 but as her husband was quite a lot older than her then she may have added a year to just round it up as often happened when there was an age difference. She does give her father as Robert Reeves, deceased a seaman in the merchant service on her marriage certificate. What does fit in all of this with the information Ada gave to her daughter is Alice Maud's father, Robert Reeve the Lowestoft fisherman being lost at sea, the mother dying later and the older brother being called Robert. Couple that with the fact that although I can trace the brother Robert William up to 1911 I have found no trace of a death for Alice Maud Reeve or a marriage as the only one I did find in 1904 is looking like it is another Alice of different parents. I have also failed to find Alice Maud in later censuses so if someone called Alice could be called Ada as a pet or nickname then it is not impossible that she ended up in the home in London under that name and used it for the rest of her life. She would have been only 8 when her mother died so quite young to have to deal with such a life changing event. Sorry for this rather rambling email but I rather think that I am getting it all sorted out in my mind just now. I know that it is quite a leap of faith as I said but so much does fit. Thanks for reading this and the previous email and taking an interest, I appreciate it. Margaret. Preston, Lancashire -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Petrov Sent: 16 February 2011 14:51 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Alice Maud REEVE/Ada REEVES conundrum Margaret, What name and place of birth is on Ada's record of Marriage and Death? Also what is Ada's date and place of birth? Does the date match with GRO Birth Reg. of Alice Maud? Something to check into. Gail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not a lot I am afraid Text: 24 Jun 1765 Peter Bowers widower & Rebecca Nun spinster both of this parish. B. Book: Marriages. (Marriage) Collection: Suffolk: Great Whelentham - Parish Registers (Christenings, Marriages, Burials) and History, 1557-1850 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Good day fellow researchers, > > I have followed the very good advice given to me by a number of people > on my original question and followed the paper trail. I looked for all the > relevant baptsms/marriages/burials in the relevant parishes. > > There is certainly no evidence to disprove the connection to the baptism. > I can find no evidence of events in Great Whelnetham post the baptism and > the dates all fit with him moving to Monks Eleigh. > > I wonder if someone with an Ancestry Premium Membership could check > something for me. > > There is a Suffolk Marriage between a Peter BOWERS and a Rebecca NUN. > Could someone please give me the date and location. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Neil

Good day fellow researchers, I have followed the very good advice given to me by a number of people on my original question and followed the paper trail. I looked for all the relevant baptsms/marriages/burials in the relevant parishes. There is certainly no evidence to disprove the connection to the baptism. I can find no evidence of events in Great Whelnetham post the baptism and the dates all fit with him moving to Monks Eleigh. I wonder if someone with an Ancestry Premium Membership could check something for me. There is a Suffolk Marriage between a Peter BOWERS and a Rebecca NUN. Could someone please give me the date and location. Many thanks in advance. Neil On 09/02/2011 20:32, neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com wrote: > Good day fellow researchers, > I have a general question which I am looking for advice on. I have an ancestor who dies in Monks Eleigh in 1825 and is married in Monks Eleigh in 1786. There doesn't appear to be a baptism in Monks Eleigh at the correct tIme but there is a baptism in 1766 in Great Welnetham which other researchers have taken to be the correct one. > My question is the obvious one, what corroborative evidence could be available for this assumption? > Regards, > Neil

Whether the name Ada was ever used as a pet name or variant of the name Alice is very important to me just now and this is the tale behind it all. The following link makes me wonder if it could have been used. http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=Alice My husband's grandmother, Ada Reeves was orphaned when her mother died. Ada told her daughter that her father, Robert Reeves who was a seaman in the merchant service had earlier been lost at sea and that she had an older brother also called Robert with whom she lost touch when their mother died. Ada was brought up in a home being trained for domestic service. Repeated searching of the GRO indexes over the last 15 years has so far failed to produce a record of her birth. Census records show her in a Certified Training Home in Ealing in 1891, as a kitchen maid in Chelsea in 1901 and by 1911 she was married and living in Manchester. I have even researched the background of the lady running the training home. Late last year I happened to find on the new Familysearch website and also on www.TheGenealogist.co.uk evidence of the death at sea of a Robert Reeve on or about 24th October 1882 when the fishing ketch on which he was mate was lost with all hands. He was from Lowestoft and in 1881 is with his wife Alice Jane nee Hall, son Robert William (c1879) and Alice's mother, sister and brother. On 18th March 1882 their daughter Alice Maud was born and both Robert William and Alice Maud were baptised on 4th May 1882 at St Margaret's, Lowestoft. The mother, Alice Jane died of heart disease on 8th August 1890 in Lowestoft. I have followed the progress of the son Robert William through 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses but have failed so far to find his sister Alice Maud. So much of this family's story fits with that of my husband's grandmother but it is a big leap of faith to believe that Alice Maud Reeve is the same person as Ada Reeves by 1891. It has now become the proverbial itch that will not go away. I have to find out what happened to Alice Maud following her mother's death and also what individual or agency was instrumental in placing Ada in the home in Ealing. Somewhere there may be a link either in records in Suffolk or in London. Any ideas anyone? Margaret North. Preston, Lancashire (Living in hope)

Margaret, >From the research you have done, it would be safe to enter Alice Maud details under Ada's name with a "NOTE" in the Note file about the research done, what you have found and that there is no "concrete" proof yet as of "your date of entry". Have done this with some "ancestors" as have found concrete evidence to show errors in birth records, marriage records, etc. Such as "Late Birth Reg." showing wrong year and month of birth but all other info are correct, "Marriage Reg." with nicknames used, etc. Not all documents are 100% correct as I am sure that others will testify to that. Family research starts with a handful of family facts that we prove or disprove during our research. Local history books say one thing about a family based on a person's memory. Facts found can disprove the written word. Grandfather James was wealthy. Ship records show travelled "steerage" and "Emigration Assistant" show given food and train transportation. Who is right and who is wrong? Your "ramblin" is interesting to read and shows what you have put into your family research. Keeps the rest of us "hoping to find that crack in the brickwall". Gail, Canada

Margaret, What name and place of birth is on Ada's record of Marriage and Death? Also what is Ada's date and place of birth? Does the date match with GRO Birth Reg. of Alice Maud? Something to check into. Gail

Hi John Thank you so much for that helpful information. I'll check it out right away. Marj. -----Original Message----- From: suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:suffolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Flint Sent: Tuesday, 15 February 2011 2:15 PM To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Earl Stonham Hi Marj, Earl Stonham parish records:- Thomas WARREN bapt 9 Sept 1758 s/o Thomas and Elizabeth Elizabeth WARREN bapt 6 Sept 1759 d/o Thomas and Elizabeth Elizabeth WARREN buried 30 May 1766, wife of Thomas You can access a transcription of Earl Stonham P.Rs (the first 6 fiches only) on www.archive.org  On the home page you will find a "WayBackMachine" search box.  Type in rsbproductions.co.uk and click the Take Me back button.  Then click on the archived result dated Aug 21, 2006 (the later one doesn't work, at least not for me).  You will then enter the former Rob Buckell website which includes a transcription of the first six fiches of Earl Stonham records, specifically:- Baptisms 1654-1827 Marriages 1654-1753 Burials 1654-1809 John in Peru, South America  ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Local church in Worlington has a board on the wall with a list of all the priests going back to 1318, so it might be possible St Mary's might have the same? Martin Clowes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eddie Tricker" <etricker@ozemail.com.au> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: [SFK-UK] "Officials", St Mary's Church, Boxford, Suffolk > > G'day Listers > > Can anyone point me to any documents, online or otherwise, that list > all the Vicars, Curates, Officiating Minister's, etc, etc for St > Mary's Parish Church, Boxford Suffolk. > > Typically, a historical list of these people would be ideal. > > Thanks in anticipation > eddie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

G'day Listers Can anyone point me to any documents, online or otherwise, that list all the Vicars, Curates, Officiating Minister's, etc, etc for St Mary's Parish Church, Boxford Suffolk. Typically, a historical list of these people would be ideal. Thanks in anticipation eddie

Hi Marj, Earl Stonham parish records:- Thomas WARREN bapt 9 Sept 1758 s/o Thomas and Elizabeth Elizabeth WARREN bapt 6 Sept 1759 d/o Thomas and Elizabeth Elizabeth WARREN buried 30 May 1766, wife of Thomas You can access a transcription of Earl Stonham P.Rs (the first 6 fiches only) on www.archive.org  On the home page you will find a "WayBackMachine" search box.  Type in rsbproductions.co.uk and click the Take Me back button.  Then click on the archived result dated Aug 21, 2006 (the later one doesn't work, at least not for me).  You will then enter the former Rob Buckell website which includes a transcription of the first six fiches of Earl Stonham records, specifically:- Baptisms 1654-1827 Marriages 1654-1753 Burials 1654-1809 John in Peru, South America  < I have Thomas baptized abt 1758  and Elizabeth baptized 6th September 1759. Both children of Thomas WARREN and Elizabeth (Marsh) If anyone has the records for Earl Stonham I was hoping to check for any other children born in the 1750's and 1760's to this couple > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/

I am looking for the surname WARREN. Specifically Earl Stonham baptisms. I have Thomas baptized abt 1758 and Elizabeth baptized 6th September 1759. Both children of Thomas WARREN and Elizabeth (Marsh) If anyone has the records for Earl Stonham I was hoping to check for any other children born in the 1750's and 1760's to this couple. Any help greatly appreciated. Marj.

Many of our parish churches list the Ministers on a board inside the church. We do not yet have OPRs in Suffolk, we do have Local History Recorders which pre-dates the OPR scheme. There is a Local History Recorder in Boxford, in fact as I live in the Benefice, I am pleased to report that we have LHRs in all five parishes. Pat ... Patricia Bridges ~ Hon Recorders' Secretary Suffolk Local History Council http://www.slhc.org.uk/ Local History Recorder for the parish of Little Waldingfield - recorders@bridgessuffolk.plus.com * Recording today for the historians of tomorrow* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] "Officials", St Mary's Church, Boxford, Suffolk > Hi Eddie > > Typically these sorts of lists of ministers etc do not exist or at least > not an all encompassing one > for a Parish > > Unless there is an OPR for Boxford (I am not aware of one) who has listed > same > > a lot will depend upon the time frame (you don't say) and what you are > looking for > > Directories will often list Church officials in a given area but only to > a level, directories for > this sort of information would start around 1820 at best > > there may be the odd one before that but they tend to be business based > > There are various ways of tracing the Clergy but again it depends upon > the time frame > > The Clergy List or Crockfords from about 1850 onwards will list the > Clergy by name and the Parish, > those that are searchable can be interrogated for the Parish of interest > > Likewise the census will list the vicar and sometimes the church > officials by roaming the location > of interest for each year > > Stating the obvious I know but have you tried the Church itself? > http://www.achurchnearyou.com/boxford-st-mary/ > > Although they may not have the time to do any research as such they may > tell you if there is a list > in the Church of previous incumbents > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> G'day Listers >> >> Can anyone point me to any documents, online or otherwise, that list >> all the Vicars, Curates, Officiating Minister's, etc, etc for St >> Mary's Parish Church, Boxford Suffolk. >> >> Typically, a historical list of these people would be ideal. >> >> Thanks in anticipation >> eddie

Hi Eddie Typically these sorts of lists of ministers etc do not exist or at least not an all encompassing one for a Parish Unless there is an OPR for Boxford (I am not aware of one) who has listed same a lot will depend upon the time frame (you don't say) and what you are looking for Directories will often list Church officials in a given area but only to a level, directories for this sort of information would start around 1820 at best there may be the odd one before that but they tend to be business based There are various ways of tracing the Clergy but again it depends upon the time frame The Clergy List or Crockfords from about 1850 onwards will list the Clergy by name and the Parish, those that are searchable can be interrogated for the Parish of interest Likewise the census will list the vicar and sometimes the church officials by roaming the location of interest for each year Stating the obvious I know but have you tried the Church itself? http://www.achurchnearyou.com/boxford-st-mary/ Although they may not have the time to do any research as such they may tell you if there is a list in the Church of previous incumbents Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > G'day Listers > > Can anyone point me to any documents, online or otherwise, that list > all the Vicars, Curates, Officiating Minister's, etc, etc for St > Mary's Parish Church, Boxford Suffolk. > > Typically, a historical list of these people would be ideal. > > Thanks in anticipation > eddie

Brian Apologies - I have noticed that I failed to thank you for your earlier message. At the time I followed the link and very helpful guidance which you gave and I acknowledge that the FamilySearch record is derived from BTs for the Archdeaconry of Sudbury. I imagine that there are a number of possible reasons for the omission of the parish name. Thank you again for your continued interest. Peter Knott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lummis" <lummis@btinternet.com> To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Marriage of George Skinner & Catherine Clarke 1776 > Peter Knott <peter.knott@btinternet.com> wrote: >> Hello David >> Thank you for your input. Their children were baptised at St Mary's Bury >> St Edmunds so that marriage location fits perfectly. >> Bury is of course within the Archdeaconry of Sudbury but there does not >> appear to be any substantive reason why new FamilySearch has listed the >> marriage in that way. Listers have suggested that the marriage might have >> been by licence or that the LDS record was taken from Bishops >> Transcripts. >> LDS Help in response to my query merely reported back to me the facts >> that I had given them! > > > Peter > > If you go back to my response of 3rd February you will see that I directed > you to the film which clearly stated that the full title of the film was > "Bishop's transcripts for the > Archdeaconry of Sudbury, 1560-1853". I would guess that the new search > facility has decided to abbreviate this and having given the film number > has > left it up to the researcher to look for the full title. > > Bishops Transcripts are copies of the returns made by each church of the > births marriages and deaths in their parishes. > > Many incumbents - as it was they who could either give or deny > permission - > would not allow the Mormon Church to copy their records and I believe that > this led to the copying of the transcripts so that all could be ordained > into the church. > > It needs to be remembered that the primary purpose of the extracts is not > to > help genealogists but to further the work of the church. This is why you > may > not get the answers you expect when enquiring about the indexes - there is > currently a debate about this on soc.genealogy.britain as it looks as > though > when the old search facility is fully replaced by the new family search > that > there will be no ability to download GEDCOM files. > > Brian > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SUFFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi >> What I am trying to find out is if the Newmarket railway station > in the first class section have sporting prints still hanging on > the walls as I read an article dated 1936 mentioning them. The one I was interested in was the one of Phar Lap the race horse. > > I tried three times ringing a number I found to be put in contact > with the station master there to ask him but it seems it isn't a > manned station. > > I had wanted to ask if SKS who lives near there if they could tell me if they are still there or not. If not still there could someone tell me where they would be today? > > > > Thank you > > Louise in Australia

Thanks Nivard I'll invest in a new pair of glasses! I couldn't make head or tail of it late last night. regards eddie Message: 4 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:18:03 -0000 From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] 1861 Census - Edwardstone, Suffolk To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <71E097A3D51C4D1DA4BC6858471E6B47@claireac3e9bca> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Eddie It says (Visitor) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

I have recently re-joined this mailing list, after a gap of a couple of years, and just wanted to introduce myself. I'm interested in the surnames HAWARD in and around Halesworth before 1890, EASTOE in and around Halesworth and EADE in and around Yoxford before 1880. Would be pleased to hear from anyone else with the same interests. I would also appreciate some help regarding a marriage between Benjamin HAWARD and Elizabeth WICKENSON in 1755 - there are several submitted entries for this marriage on the IGI which say it took place in Halesworth, but I cannot find it in the Halesworth parish registers (Suffolk Family History Society). However, there is one IGI entry for the same marriage which says it took place in Wissett. If anyone has access to the Wissett PRs and could do me a look-up, I would be grateful. Or is there another explanation for why I can't find it? Many thanks. Angela

Brian Lummis <lummis@btinternet.com> wrote: > Tony Brown <ask.tony@btinternet.com> wrote: >> <snip> > so might be worth seeing if the Jockey club >> http://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk have a friendly archivist. > <snip> > If you need information about anything relating to horse racing you would > need to contact the National Horseracing Museum (see > http://www.nhrm.co.uk/) which adjoins the Jockey Club. > I would guess that Louise is aware that there are many images of Phar > Lap on the internet if you use a search engine. If she has a family > member that was involved either as owner or trainer then the NHRM may > be able to help with further details. > Brian Message sent before looking at the background to this horse! I see that it was raced in Australia and there is a substantial amount of information there as well as its mounted hide in Melbourne. However the NRHM may have details of its connections in the UK as it was such a famous thoroughbred. Brian

Tony Brown <ask.tony@btinternet.com> wrote: ><snip> so might be worth seeing if the Jockey club > http://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk have a friendly archivist. <snip> If you need information about anything relating to horse racing you would need to contact the National Horseracing Museum (see http://www.nhrm.co.uk/) which adjoins the Jockey Club. I would guess that Louise is aware that there are many images of Phar Lap on the internet if you use a search engine. If she has a family member that was involved either as owner or trainer then the NHRM may be able to help with further details. Brian