I am struggling to discover who George is. He is shown as being born in the March Quarter of 1866 in Ipswich but no baptism appears in the transcrition. In 1871 he is in Hadleigh in the house of Henry and Ann Eighteen shown as Henry's nephew In 1881 he is still with Henry and Ann who are in a house where Ann's mother Mary Chisnall (nee Alexander) is the designated head of the house. Here he is shown as Grandson. There are several sisters of Ann not accounted for her but does any one know anything about him Ken

As Kevin says our online shop is the best place to go new cds are coming out al the time. Next weekend our team is at the fair in York and will have all the publications there. I would point out that our team are very knowledgeable on Suffolk and will be only pleased to help or point you in the right direction. Ken Treasurer Suffolkfhs -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Scott" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 7:30 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Marriage Index for Suffolk > Hi Phil, > > The SFHS have a full marriage index 1813-1837 available on CD and parts of > the county are also available 1754-1812. > There is a full burial index 1538-1900 with over 1.2 million burials. > > There are many areas also with baptism indexes - the latest being the much > appreciated Ipswich registers. > > See the SFHS shop for full range of products > http://www.suffolkfhs.co.uk/osc/index.php > > Regards, > Kevin Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil White > Sent: 22 June 2012 23:20 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SFK-UK] Marriage Index for Suffolk > > Hi Folks, Can anyone tell me where I can order a copy of the SFHS > Marriage Index, hopefully by email > I also understand they have a burial index and do they have a birth or > baptismal Index ?? > Phil White in New Hampshire USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Phil, The SFHS have a full marriage index 1813-1837 available on CD and parts of the county are also available 1754-1812. There is a full burial index 1538-1900 with over 1.2 million burials. There are many areas also with baptism indexes - the latest being the much appreciated Ipswich registers. See the SFHS shop for full range of products http://www.suffolkfhs.co.uk/osc/index.php Regards, Kevin Scott -----Original Message----- From: Phil White Sent: 22 June 2012 23:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFK-UK] Marriage Index for Suffolk Hi Folks, Can anyone tell me where I can order a copy of the SFHS Marriage Index, hopefully by email I also understand they have a burial index and do they have a birth or baptismal Index ?? Phil White in New Hampshire USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there;   Suffolk Family History Society has some things such as you describe.  You could give them a try.  Here is a link with the page with e-mail contact info.   http://www.suffolkfhs.co.uk/service.html   Janet ________________________________ From: Phil White <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 3:20 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Marriage Index for Suffolk Hi Folks, Can anyone tell me where I can order a copy of the SFHS Marriage Index, hopefully by email I also understand they have a burial index and do they have a birth or baptismal Index ??     Phil White in New Hampshire USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks, Can anyone tell me where I can order a copy of the SFHS Marriage Index, hopefully by email I also understand they have a burial index and do they have a birth or baptismal Index ?? Phil White in New Hampshire USA

Hello All I have been following the discussion on marriage bonds/licenses and read the WIKI article on databases and saw the following: “””1754 Lord Hardwicke's Act outlawed marriage outside the Church of England (except for Quakers and Jews) and required that separate registers for marriages be kept. Common law marriages were also outlawed. From “Events affecting Church Records” at https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Suffolk_Church_Records#Nonconformists I have a brick wall of my Baptist family of any marriages before 1800 and wondered if anyone knows how non-conformists got legally married other than in the Church of England during that time. Thanks Barbara

Hi Pat Living so far away in Yorkshire I was unable to attend the event at Ickworth House in May. Are there any records of what happened that day. I am interested in Ickworth as my grandfather and his brother both worked there in the late 1800s Shirley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patricia Bridges Sent: 03 May 2012 16:03 To: Suffolk Mailing List Subject: [SFK-UK] The Great British Story - Ickworth, near Bury St Edmunds this month For information : In conjunction with the forthcoming .television series " The Great British Story" the B.B.C. are holding a road-show, 1 of only 2 in England, on Sunday May 20th 2012 at Ickworth House near Bury St Edmunds. Suffolk Family History Society will be present at this event. Discover YOUR place in history at the BBC's The Great British Story event at Ickworth House, Suffolk, IP29 5QE. Sunday, May 20th 2012, 10am - 5pm. Free Entry Pat ... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You're welcome Janine The records of Ipswich Dock Commission at the Suffolk Record Office include the names and addresses of members of the General Committee of Management in 1838 (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=173-el1&cid=1-1-3-4#1-1-3-4) and many other items, but I don't think James FRISTON is likely to have been a committee member. I see Nivard has already mentioned the collection of 19th Century British Library Newspapers, which may be available through your state library as well as the National Library of Australia (http://www.nla.gov.au/getalibrarycard). News of the planning and construction of the wet dock (completed in 1842) was extensively covered in the Ipswich Journal. In 1837 the General Committee agreed to engage a Civil Engineer, Henry R. PALMER, with a salary of £750 per year (Ipswich Journal, 12 Aug.). His report, published on 18 Nov. 1837, listed employees including James FRESTON, foreman of the blacksmiths, who was earning £1.5s. [i.e. 25 shillings] per week - much less than the Engineer but more than the 16 shillings paid to the only other named blacksmith, Matthew SWAINE. Mr PALMER was still acting as Engineer in early 1842, and seems to have been succeeded soon afterwards by George HURWOOD, so James FRESTON or FRISTON was presumably a different kind of engineer. But if he continued to receive a decent wage, perhaps he could have afforded to live in a more upmarket district than Albion Street. David -----Original Message----- From: Janine Fisher [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 8:12 AM To: 'David Gobbitt' Subject: RE: Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry No, I haven't seen the advertisement and would love to!! Thank you so much for that information David!! Does the advertisement suggest James FRISTON was possibly on the Committee of Management of the Ipswich Wet Dock or just the engineer?  Is there any way of checking who was on the Committee of Management at that time and is there any way I can get a copy of the Ipswich Journal or a link to a site to view it?  This is soooo exciting, thank you, thank you, thank you!!. Janine

-----Original Message----- From: Janine Fisher [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 8:12 AM To: 'David Gobbitt' Subject: RE: Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry No, I haven't seen the advertisement and would love to!! Thank you so much for that information David!! Does the advertisement suggest James FRISTON was possibly on the Committee of Management of the Ipswich Wet Dock or just the engineer? Is there any way of checking who was on the Committee of Management at that time and is there any way I can get a copy of the Ipswich Journal or a link to a site to view it? This is soooo exciting, thank you, thank you, thank you!!. Janine -----Original Message----- From: David Gobbitt [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:44 AM To: [email protected] Cc: "Janine Fisher" Subject: Re: Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry Hello Janine You may not have seen the advertisement in the 14 Dec. 1839 edition of the Ipswich Journal. A steam engine from a River Orwell dredging barge was to be sold by auction on the Ballast Wharf in Ipswich, by direction of the Committee of Management of the Ipswich Wet Dock. Prospective viewers were invited to apply to engineer James FRISTON at the Ballast Quay. He was clearly not a retired gentleman at that time, and I don't suppose he was a clergyman either. If he farmed a little land as a sideline, that was apparently not in Albion Street and certainly not his main occupation in 1841, so I suspect his inclusion under "Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry" in 1839 was the result of erroneous or lazy classification. Incidentally, some members of the Yeomanry forces in the early 20th century, if not before, were never yeomen in the traditional sense. I've yet to spy a tinker in their ranks, but I have seen a tailor and a watchmaker. While the army would always welcome suitable volunteers who could shoot straight on horseback, a shortage of recruits in the years after the Boer Wars obliged the Suffolk Yeomanry to accept increasing numbers of men who didn’t bring their own horses to the annual training camps but had to hire them or borrow them from relatives. David Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:51:15 +1000 From: "Janine Fisher" <[email protected]> Hello list I have just found a listing for my 4xG Grandfather James FRISTON in the 1839 UK Poll Books and Electoral Registers under the heading of CLERGY, GENTRY & YEOMANRY. James FRISTON was a blacksmith living in Albion Street, St Clement, Ipswich on the 1841 Census and from various other BMD certificates he is intermittently listed as an engineer. Could someone explain to me the classification of Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry, in particular Yeomanry and how it might relate to James FRISTON on this occasion. I have googled but would value the lists knowledge and experience on this. With thanks and kind regards as always Janine Fisher ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2433/5076 - Release Date: 06/17/12

Hi Janine I presume you are an Australian resident ? If so you can get access to the 19th Century Newspapers via your National Library of Australia 24/7 from home Which includes :- Publication Title Hide Details Publication Format Ipswich Journal Audience: General Publication Format: Newspaper Full-Text Coverage: Jan 04, 1800 - Dec 29, 1900 Newspaper Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/06/2012 00:27, Janine Fisher wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- From: Janine Fisher > [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 8:12 AM To: > 'David Gobbitt' Subject: RE: Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry > > No, I haven't seen the advertisement and would love to!! Thank you so > much for that information David!! Does the advertisement suggest > James FRISTON was possibly on the Committee of Management of the > Ipswich Wet Dock or just the engineer? Is there any way of checking > who was on the Committee of Management at that time and is there any > way I can get a copy of the Ipswich Journal or a link to a site to > view it? This is soooo exciting, thank you, thank you, thank you!!. > > Janine

Thank you Ruth. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Acorn Cottage Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 1:11 AM To: 'David Gobbitt'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry Yeomanry need not refer to part-time militia. It could refer to Yeomen - i.e. farmers. I suspect his inclusion was probably under the general heading of "Gentry" if he held a post of some importance, as appears likely from the advertisement. Ruth in Hampshire > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Gobbitt > Sent: 18 June 2012 15:44 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry > > advertisement in the 14 Dec. 1839 > edition of the Ipswich Journal. A steam engine from a River Orwell > dredging barge was to be sold by auction on the Ballast Wharf in > Ipswich, by direction of the Committee of Management of the Ipswich > Wet Dock. Prospective viewers were invited to apply to engineer James > FRISTON at the Ballast Quay. > > He was clearly not a retired gentleman at that time, and I don't > suppose he was a clergyman either. If he farmed a little land as a > sideline, that was apparently not in Albion Street and certainly not > his main occupation in 1841, so I suspect his inclusion under "Clergy, > Gentry and Yeomanry" in > 1839 was the result of erroneous or lazy classification. > > Incidentally, some members of the Yeomanry forces in the early 20th > century, if not before, were never yeomen in the traditional sense. > I've yet to spy a tinker in their ranks, but I have seen a tailor and > a watchmaker. While the army would always welcome suitable volunteers > who could shoot straight on horseback, a shortage of recruits in the > years after the Boer Wars obliged the Suffolk Yeomanry to accept > increasing numbers of men who didn't bring their own horses to the > annual training camps but had to hire them or borrow them from > relatives. > > David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2433/5076 - Release Date: 06/17/12

Hi Listers. Am new to the Suffolk List, and am researching FRENCH.I have Thomas FRENCH m Alice XXX.children are Thomas b 1753, Henry b 1757, Edward b 1759 all at Kedington.I have not been able to get back any further than Thomas and have not found Alice's Name.Any help from Listers would be much appreciated.Regards. Patrick

Yeomanry need not refer to part-time militia. It could refer to Yeomen - i.e. farmers. I suspect his inclusion was probably under the general heading of "Gentry" if he held a post of some importance, as appears likely from the advertisement. Ruth in Hampshire > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Gobbitt > Sent: 18 June 2012 15:44 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry > > advertisement in the 14 Dec. 1839 > edition of the Ipswich Journal. A steam engine from a River > Orwell dredging barge was to be sold by auction on the > Ballast Wharf in Ipswich, by direction of the Committee of > Management of the Ipswich Wet Dock. Prospective viewers were > invited to apply to engineer James FRISTON at the Ballast Quay. > > He was clearly not a retired gentleman at that time, and I > don't suppose he was a clergyman either. If he farmed a > little land as a sideline, that was apparently not in Albion > Street and certainly not his main occupation in 1841, so I > suspect his inclusion under "Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry" in > 1839 was the result of erroneous or lazy classification. > > Incidentally, some members of the Yeomanry forces in the > early 20th century, if not before, were never yeomen in the > traditional sense. I've yet to spy a tinker in their ranks, > but I have seen a tailor and a watchmaker. While the army > would always welcome suitable volunteers who could shoot > straight on horseback, a shortage of recruits in the years > after the Boer Wars obliged the Suffolk Yeomanry to accept > increasing numbers of men who didn't bring their own horses > to the annual training camps but had to hire them or borrow > them from relatives. > > David

Hello Janine You may not have seen the advertisement in the 14 Dec. 1839 edition of the Ipswich Journal. A steam engine from a River Orwell dredging barge was to be sold by auction on the Ballast Wharf in Ipswich, by direction of the Committee of Management of the Ipswich Wet Dock. Prospective viewers were invited to apply to engineer James FRISTON at the Ballast Quay. He was clearly not a retired gentleman at that time, and I don't suppose he was a clergyman either. If he farmed a little land as a sideline, that was apparently not in Albion Street and certainly not his main occupation in 1841, so I suspect his inclusion under "Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry" in 1839 was the result of erroneous or lazy classification. Incidentally, some members of the Yeomanry forces in the early 20th century, if not before, were never yeomen in the traditional sense. I've yet to spy a tinker in their ranks, but I have seen a tailor and a watchmaker. While the army would always welcome suitable volunteers who could shoot straight on horseback, a shortage of recruits in the years after the Boer Wars obliged the Suffolk Yeomanry to accept increasing numbers of men who didn’t bring their own horses to the annual training camps but had to hire them or borrow them from relatives. David Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:51:15 +1000 From: "Janine Fisher" <[email protected]> Hello list I have just found a listing for my 4xG Grandfather James FRISTON in the 1839 UK Poll Books and Electoral Registers under the heading of CLERGY, GENTRY & YEOMANRY.  James FRISTON was a blacksmith living in Albion Street, St Clement, Ipswich on the 1841 Census and from various other BMD certificates he is intermittently listed as an engineer. Could someone explain to me the classification of Clergy, Gentry and Yeomanry, in particular Yeomanry and how it might relate to James FRISTON on this occasion.  I have googled but would value the lists knowledge and experience on this. With thanks and kind regards as always Janine Fisher

Hello David, > I'm glad you found the 1769 documents so easily, despite my bad advice. I > try not to "cheat" at genealogy by playing the > psychic card too often, but sometimes (e.g. when faced with 1075 images to > examine) intuition can be as good a guide as > any. I downloaded the first image in the set intending to look at the date, with the intention of downloading the 457th image next and looking at the date on that then making a choice, but the date on the first image was close enough that I chose to start from the front. That however amounts to another play of the physic card because the licences are not necessarily filmed in date order. Regards Peter

Thank you Peter As you say, the 1989 print-out may usefully point to the existence of a needle in one of several haystacks, while also showing the need for a more detailed finding-aid. Thanks to FamilySearch, we seem to have leapt ahead to the age of digital images without having exploited the full indexing potential of magnetic tape in this field! I'm glad you found the 1769 documents so easily, despite my bad advice. I try not to "cheat" at genealogy by playing the psychic card too often, but sometimes (e.g. when faced with 1075 images to examine) intuition can be as good a guide as any. All the best David     From: "Peter J Richardson" <[email protected]>     Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:53:34 +0100     Hello David     Thanks for the reply - further comments below ...     > Hello Peter     >     > I'd be interested to learn more about the index you found.     It says that it was printed out in 1989 and a copy given to each of the     Suffolk Record Offices. ...     I would say that if you are looking for licence bonds at the NRO you are not     offered boxes - they are on microfiche by year, and you have the same needle     in a haystack scenario that you do with the LDS images. ...     For my 1770 marriage there seem to be three different sets of images     (assuming no duplication between the three sets) and for a 1769 marriage     there would be four different options one of which has a daunting 1075     images to look through!     Regards     Peter

Well done Mike. There are of course several little tricks to finding out all sorts of things with Free BMD. ________________________________ From: Mike Fry <[email protected]> To: [email protected]      On 2012/06/17 16:42, n-ashby wrote: > Is there any way,to find the husband of a married women. > 1911 Census,entry for Freda Raffe age 23,birth abt 1888,married 1911. > Anything wrong with FreeBMD? Surname  First name(s)    District Vol      Page Marriages Mar 1911  (>99%) Bearup    John W        Ipswich    4a    1204 Boar    Alfreda J    Ipswich    4a    1204 Raffe    Robert F S    Ipswich    4a    1204 Scopes    Margaret    Ipswich    4a    1204 --  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello David Thanks for the reply - further comments below > From: David Gobbitt <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Cc: ""Peter J Richardson"" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2012, 20:02 > Subject: Re: Norfolk (and Suffolk) marriage licence records - new guide > > Hello Peter > > I'd be interested to learn more about the index you found. It says that it was printed out in 1989 and a copy given to each of the Suffolk Record Offices. I was in the position of finding the marriage between George SHERMAN and Sarah CHASTON and then looking for the licence bond and not finding it at Bury St Edmunds. I can then see that the print out gives you an alternative to the "marriage bond hasn't survived" scenario which has been put to me by staff at both Bury and Ipswich in the past when I have looked for licence bonds and not found them. I'm not sure what happened to the Suffolk copies of the index because it has never been suggested to me as an option when looking for licences in Suffolk. In the case of George SHERMAN it occured to me that the licence might have been issued in Norfolk only when I discovered that his will was proved through the NCC. > The MLB > references are the box numbers (not bond numbers) allocated by the Norfolk > Record Office. The online catalogue (NROCAT - > http://nrocat.norfolk.gov.uk/DServe/public/searches/nroadvanced.htm) has > these > dates for the MLB CatalogueRef numbers you noted: > > 1760 - MLB 64 (and MLB 63) > 1764 - MLB 71 (and MLB 70) > 1770 - MLB 82 (and MLB 83) > 1772 - MLB 86 (and MLB 87) > 1773 - MLB 89 (and MLB 88) > 1789 - MLB 114 That makes sense, thanks. I'd guessed that the numbers might be broadly sequential I would say that if you are looking for licence bonds at the NRO you are not offered boxes - they are on microfiche by year, and you have the same needle in a haystack scenario that you do with the LDS images. > That may not be a great help to you. Fortunately, there is a shortcut. The > Suffolk Family History Society recently published an index on CD for > marriages > in Hartismere, Hoxne, South Elmham and Wangford Deaneries 1754-1812, > including > this one: > > 4 Jan. 1769 William SHARMAN [not SHERMAN] of Occold m. Mary MAYHEW at > Wilby Many thanks - you have found my missing marriage! > It's also in the FamilySearch database > (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFK2-ZZN) where the film number > (1595682) > confirms that the source is an NCC bond or allegation from 1768-1769, > sadly with > very little else to narrow down the search for the original. Thanks. It turns out that it is image 28 and 29 of the 1769-70 batch. Fortunately for me I stated at 1 rather than 457! :-) > There is a similar > entry for the Jan. 1770 marriage of George SHERMAN and Sarah CHASTON from > the > next film (1595683), which is dated 1770-1772 in the list at > https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=437050&disp=Marriage+licence+bonds%2C+1557-1902. > Thanks I'll save that for another day. I notice that there are the following dated offered 1768 1768-1769 1768-1772 1769 1769-1770 1770-1771 1771-1772 For my 1770 marriage there seem to be three different sets of images (assuming no duplication between the three sets) and for a 1769 marriage there would be four different options one of which has a daunting 1075 images to look through! Regards Peter

I think you might be right,I do have that on my tree,marriage date 29 Jan 1911,ties in with nephew's name.Thank you to every one for replies. Old age is creeping up. Nick. Researching Raffe. On 17/06/2012 16:06, Bernie Ratcliffe wrote: > Is it possible that Freda is Alfreda J BOAR, that married Robert F S RAFFE in the March Qtr 1911 Ipswich !. > Bernie > >> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:42:37 +0100 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [SFK-UK] Marriage >> >> Is there any way,to find the husband of a married women. >> 1911 Census,entry for Freda Raffe age 23,birth abt 1888,married 1911. >> Other entries Annie Darby Head Single.Harry Boar nephew.Freda Raffe >> Niece and a boarder. >> I would like to know the Raffe she married >> >> Many Thanks >> >> Nick Ashby >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 2012/06/17 16:42, n-ashby wrote: > Is there any way,to find the husband of a married women. > 1911 Census,entry for Freda Raffe age 23,birth abt 1888,married 1911. > Other entries Annie Darby Head Single.Harry Boar nephew.Freda Raffe > Niece and a boarder. > I would like to know the Raffe she married Anything wrong with FreeBMD? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1911 (>99%) Bearup John W Ipswich 4a 1204 Boar Alfreda J Ipswich 4a 1204 Raffe Robert F S Ipswich 4a 1204 Scopes Margaret Ipswich 4a 1204 -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg