> > [snip] This scheme only ran for a couple of years although some records > are still > available at the SRO. > > Pat ...____________________________________________________________ > > Can someone define SRO for mr. I'm not familiar with this acronym and > can't seem to find a web page related to genealogy. > > Terri >

Have been on duty in the Museum today and the pages have been turned on the Framlingham Weekly News to 2nd July 2010 = and the advertisements are there on the front page again, looks as though they were placed for weeks at a time. Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet MacDonald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Migration of Suffolk farm hands to Australia/Canada > Thanks Pat and Nivard, most interesting! > > Janet

Thanks Pat and Nivard, most interesting! Janet

Hi Janet, I have never personally had the need to carry out research in this area, but know that advertisements were placed in local newspapers for work in 'The Colonies' and also for work in the north of England throughout the mid/late 1800s. I have also seen reports of the 'Recruiting Men' who went from village to village to sign up workers to go to Australia and Canada in particular. When researching a War Memorial for WWI, I discovered Suffolk lads who were farm labourers went to Australia and one who left Suffolk to be a milk roundsman in London, went on to sign up for farm work in Canada. It was just that when I went on duty in The Lanman Museum earlier this week, the pages of the Framlingham Weekly News whichis housed in a cabinet had been turned and there were the advertisements. Obviously this was a very local newspaper covering a small area but the East Anglian Daily Times covered the whole county. Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet MacDonald" <[email protected]> Hi Pat, Do you know if there were adverts in the mid-19th century for workers to go to Australia? A branch of my Taylor family from Worlingworth went out to NSW on the ship Hydaspes in December 1852 (one of their children dying at sea on the way over) , and lived in Braidwood. Janet ________________________________ I am often asked about Suffolk agricultural labourers migrating to Australia. I know that there were advertisements for workers in the newspapers and that recruiting men travelled from village to village. I found a couple of advertisements in the Framlingham Weekly News of Saturday 25th June 1910 (which fits in with the Suffolk boys who died as Australian troops in WWI). <snip> Pat ...

Hi Janet There were adverts throughout the 19th Century Some were supported or aided passage by the Church or Parish, others by philanthropists Here is my transcription of a couple of adverts albeit one for Scotland, the other London ======================== Advertisements & Notices . The Aberdeen Journal (Aberdeen, Scotland), Wednesday, August 6, 1851; Issue 5404. Category: Classified ads Notice to Intending Emigrants LECTURES ON NEW ZEALAND Mr Russell, Government Emigration Agent, has pleasure in announcing that Mr Charles HURSTHOUSE (a New Zealand Colonist, and well known by his writings to all persons interested in that Colony), will deliver TWO LECTURES on this subject, in the COUNTY ROOMS, Aberdeen as follows - On Thursday the 7th August at 8,P.M. and on Friday, the following day at 2,P.M. These favourable opportunities should not be neglected by any one desirous of obtaining reliable information. NOTICE TO INTENDING EMIGRANTS The undersigned will be at the LEMON TREE HOTEL, Aberdeen, all Thursday and Friday, the 7th and 8th days of August next, when he will be happy to meet any intending Emigrants, or persons desirous of information about the British Colonies AUSTRALIA Assisted Passages are granted at present to Agricultural Labourers, Shepherds, Female Domestics, Country Mechanics, desirous of proceeding to SYDNEY, PORT PHILIP and ADELAIDE. The "COMMODARE", 650 Tons, will leave GLASGOW for PORT PHILIP and SYDNEY, on the 11th, and GREENOCK, on 15th August. This is a very favourable opportunity for persons ineligible for Government Assistance. Cheif Cabin, £40; Second Cabin £20, Steerage only £10 for Adults;Children, above 7, £5; ditto under 7, £3. The "CUTHBERT" 900 Tons Register, from Glasgow, for PORT PHILIP and ADELAIDE, early in September. NEW ZEALAND The undersigned is forming a Party, to Sail in October next, for the different Ports in NEW ZEALAND. The Ship and other arrangements will be in every respect superior. Persons of respectability, desirous of joining the party, are requested to apply without delay. Assited Passages to the CANTERBURY SETTLEMENT, by the Autumn Ships, will be granted to a limited number of Agricultural Labourers, Shepherds, Gardeners, Single Females and Mechanics. The "CORNWALL", 580 Tons, will sail for NEW ZEALAND, on Tuesday the 12th August; and the "MOARI", 900 Tons, on the 1st September next. For all particulars apply personally, or by Letter, to H.R.RUSSELL, Government Emigration Agent, Perth 28th July 1851 ------------------------------------- Advertisements & Notices . Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper (London, England), Sunday, January 14, 1872; Issue 1521. Category: Classified ads GOVERNMENT EMIGRATION TO AUSTRALIA THE EMIGRATION COMMISSIONERS grant FREE PASSAGES to SYDNEY, New South Wales, to Single Female Domestic Servants, in first class vessels, at frequent intervals, under the care of a surgeon superintendent, and an experienced matron, and accompanied by respectable married persons. Forms of application and other particulars to be had of the Commissioners Local Agents, or at this office. By order of the Board. RICHARD E COOPER, Assistant Secretary. Government Emigration Office, 6, Park street, Westminster. =================== There were many more adverts to be found in the online newspapers, well worth a trawl Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/07/2012 20:50, Janet MacDonald wrote: > Hi Pat, > Do you know if there were adverts in the mid-19th century for workers to go to Australia? A branch of my Taylor family from Worlingworth went out to NSW on the ship Hydaspes in December 1852 (one of their children dying at sea on the way over) , and lived in Braidwood. > > Janet

Hi Pat, Do you know if there were adverts in the mid-19th century for workers to go to Australia? A branch of my Taylor family from Worlingworth went  out to NSW on the ship Hydaspes in December 1852 (one of their children dying at sea on the way over) , and lived in Braidwood.  Janet ________________________________ I am often asked about Suffolk agricultural labourers migrating to Australia.  I know that there were advertisements for workers in the newspapers and that recruiting men travelled from village to village. I found a couple of advertisements in the Framlingham Weekly News of Saturday 25th June 1910 (which fits in with the Suffolk boys who died as Australian troups in WWI). <snip> Pat ...

Thanks Pat and Margery It is great hearing these stories. My Great Grandfather also left Ipswich in 1911 (amid a bit of a scandal, we believe) and found himself work as a labourer at a timber mill in Koondrook, a very small country town on the Murray river in Victoria. I have a wonderful photo taken in 1911 of him with a large group of the mill workers in the setting of the Australian bush amongst the gum trees. My great aunts always laughed at how very English he looked and stood out amongst the group. He met and married the granddaughter of a German immigrant and the rest is... family history. :-) I was always told that he had answered an advertisement for labour, but am not sure if it was here in Australia or in Suffolk. Janine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patricia Bridges Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2012 2:49 AM To: Suffolk Mailing List Subject: [SFK-UK] Migration of Suffolk farm hands to Australia/Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2193 / Virus Database: 2437/5107 - Release Date: 07/02/12

Thanks Pat, this is very interesting. My father emigrated to Australia after he was demobbed from the army - a little later than 1910, I know - but I didn't realise that there were actual advertisements for farm workers. I know that he spent some time in Western Australia but have no idea where. I have often wondered why he did it, leaving parents and a large family behind. I suppose it was for employment but his brothers seemed to find work at home. Incidentally, he returned home in 1928, stayed 8 weeks and returned to Oz. meeting my mother on board ship. She was coming out to be a children's nurse to a prominent family in Melbourne. Cheers Margery (NSW Australia) -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 2:49 AM To: Suffolk Mailing List Subject: [SFK-UK] Migration of Suffolk farm hands to Australia/Canada

I am often asked about Suffolk agricultural labourers migrating to Australia. I know that there were advertisements for workers in the newspapers and that recruiting men travelled from village to village. I found a couple of advertisements in the Framlingham Weekly News of Saturday 25th June 1910 (which fits in with the Suffolk boys who died as Australian troups in WWI). Advertisement 1 reads West Australia Special offer to Farm Workers. Fare £2. Recent experience essential. Women domestics free. Particulars free concerning all branches of employment fares to all parts of Australia. Australian Agency, 9 London St, London EC Advertisement 2 reads Australia. Canada. Wanted. 100 Farm hands. Part Fare Paid. 100 experienced men and Labourers for farms. 100 Domestics. Part Fare Paid. 2 families. Farmwork. Good Wages. House. 3 couples wanted, wife in, man outside. General Labourers at 7/- a day. 3 gardeners. Good Wages. The Emigration Offices, Waters and Son, 45 Princes Street, Ipswich Note: 7/- = seven shillings, or in today's money 35 pence. Pat ...

Rick In 1871, although Arthur and wife's birthplace says Earl Ston(e)ham, William's appears to be Chedestone, which seems to be a not-bad attempt at Chediston. And I think his age says 30, but has been obscured by a crossing-through which makes it look like 50. Dudley -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Smith" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:59 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SFK-UK] WILLIAM BARKER > I am trying to find the birth of William Barker who according to the 1871 > census was born in Suffolk born in 1821 (a transcription error for sure) > and was living in Stratford East London along with wife Sarah and children > William and Harriet. I note there is living next door Arthur Barker also > from Suffolk and his wife Emma. The 1881 census has William born in > Ipswich in 1842 > > I cannot read the exact birthplace of William and Arthur in 1871 census - > I note that www.familysearch.org transcribes the place as East Stoneter?? > > All help finding William's birth place and in the earlier censuses much > appreciated > > Rick Smith > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Rick There seems to be a concerted effort by the various enumerators to have your pair born all over the place given the birthplaces they have in the various later census <g> In 1851 & 1871 William is born in Chediston (or variations of it) in 1911 Hullesworth (sic Halesworth not far from Chediston) Sarah was born in Rugby Warwickshire Given the information, the most likely birth registration for William is England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about William Barker Name: William Barker Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1841 Registration district: Blything Inferred County: Suffolk Volume: 13 Page: 367 (freebmd has two 367 & 369 which looks to be a misreading by one person of 367) (Chediston was in Blything registration district in 1841) No firm sighting of Arthur & Emma before 1871 As suggested Earl Stonham looks a fair bet for the birthplace for Arthur & Emma in 1871 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02/07/2012 17:59, Rick Smith wrote: > I am trying to find the birth of William Barker who according to the 1871 census was born in Suffolk born in 1821 (a transcription error for sure) and was living in Stratford East London along with wife Sarah and children William and Harriet. I note there is living next door Arthur Barker also from Suffolk and his wife Emma. The 1881 census has William born in Ipswich in 1842 > > I cannot read the exact birthplace of William and Arthur in 1871 census - I note that www.familysearch.org transcribes the place as East Stoneter?? > > All help finding William's birth place and in the earlier censuses much appreciated > > Rick Smith

Without resorting to actually looking at the page :-) - I wonder if East Stoneter could be Earl Stonham, a parish about 12 miles outside Ipswich. Simon suffolkchurches.co.uk On 02/07/2012 17:59, Rick Smith wrote: > I am trying to find the birth of William Barker who according to the 1871 census was born in Suffolk born in 1821 (a transcription error for sure) and was living in Stratford East London along with wife Sarah and children William and Harriet. I note there is living next door Arthur Barker also from Suffolk and his wife Emma. The 1881 census has William born in Ipswich in 1842 > > I cannot read the exact birthplace of William and Arthur in 1871 census - I note that www.familysearch.org transcribes the place as East Stoneter?? > > All help finding William's birth place and in the earlier censuses much appreciated > > Rick Smith > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2193 / Virus Database: 2437/5106 - Release Date: 07/02/12 > >

I am trying to find the birth of William Barker who according to the 1871 census was born in Suffolk born in 1821 (a transcription error for sure) and was living in Stratford East London along with wife Sarah and children William and Harriet. I note there is living next door Arthur Barker also from Suffolk and his wife Emma. The 1881 census has William born in Ipswich in 1842 I cannot read the exact birthplace of William and Arthur in 1871 census - I note that www.familysearch.org transcribes the place as East Stoneter?? All help finding William's birth place and in the earlier censuses much appreciated Rick Smith

Thank you Pat for that information,regards,Charles.

The Suffolk Surnames List has been off the air for a while - it is having graphics added at the moment and will be back on line very soon. It does have a lot more information that the Norfolk version, as well as names listings. Pat ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Hawker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:55 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Suffolk Surname List > Could sks advise me if there is a surname list similar to that available > for > Norfolk,and if so a link please,regards,Charles

Could sks advise me if there is a surname list similar to that available for Norfolk,and if so a link please,regards,Charles

Barbara, I have copied the following from a City of London information leaflet available at http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/nr/rdonlyres/e9551411-e3a0-45b2-a65a-f7ba8e4b2718/0/lh_lma_nonconformist.pdf Marriage Prior to Lord Hardwick’s Marriage Act of 1753, it had been possible for dissenting couples to marry at their congregational meeting house. Although ceremonies of this nature were not valid by law, the public contract which was made by the parties constituted a legal marriage. With the notable exception of Baptists, it was common for Nonconformist couples to marry within the Anglican church. Baptists were often forced to marry outside the established church as the clergy were predominantly reluctant to practice the marriage ceremony for the un-baptised. With the exception of Jewish and Quaker marriages, after Hardwick’s Act every marriage in England had to be performed in the churches and chapels of the Church of England. Marriage registers of the majority of nonconformist denominations are infrequent before the Hardwick Marriage Act, after which they are virtually non-existent until 1837. Where nonconformist congregations kept marriage registers at this time, the detail provided will again depend largely on the on the preferences of the priest and contents can therefore vary. However, one would expect to find at least the full names of the couple and the bride’s father. Lyn B -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Turnham Sent: 22 June 2012 11:54 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFK-UK] non-conformist marriages before civil registration Hello All I have been following the discussion on marriage bonds/licenses and read the WIKI article on databases and saw the following: ���1754 Lord Hardwicke's Act outlawed marriage outside the Church of England (except for Quakers and Jews) and required that separate registers for marriages be kept. Common law marriages were also outlawed. From �Events affecting Church Records� at https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Suffolk_Church_Records#Nonconformists I have a brick wall of my Baptist family of any marriages before 1800 and wondered if anyone knows how non-conformists got legally married other than in the Church of England during that time. Thanks Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From The Ipswich Journal ( Ipswich, England ), Saturday, August 23, 1800; Issue 3527. Tuesday was married, Mr. John JENNINGS , of Brandeston, taylor, to Miss STOW , of this town. Thursday last was married, Mr. E. SPARKE , of Bury, to Miss STURGEON of Netherhall.

Looks like the right one James and Ellen are in the 1871 census in St Margarets Ipswich with two further children. I wonder why George was not with them Ken -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne Chambers" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:26 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] George Bedwell > Is this a possible marriage ? > > Marriages Sep 1865 > Beardwell James Ipswich 4a 933 > Chisnall Ellen Ipswich 4a 933 > > Anne > South Australia > > K Finch wrote: >> I am struggling to discover who George is. >> He is shown as being born in the March Quarter of 1866 in Ipswich >> but no baptism appears in the transcrition. >> >> In 1871 he is in Hadleigh in the house of Henry and Ann Eighteen shown as >> Henry's nephew >> >> In 1881 he is still with Henry and Ann who are in a house where Ann's >> mother >> Mary Chisnall (nee Alexander) is the designated head of the house. Here >> he >> is shown as Grandson. >> >> There are several sisters of Ann not accounted for her but does any one >> know >> anything about him >> >> Ken >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is this a possible marriage ? Marriages Sep 1865 Beardwell James Ipswich 4a 933 Chisnall Ellen Ipswich 4a 933 Anne South Australia K Finch wrote: > I am struggling to discover who George is. > He is shown as being born in the March Quarter of 1866 in Ipswich > but no baptism appears in the transcrition. > > In 1871 he is in Hadleigh in the house of Henry and Ann Eighteen shown as > Henry's nephew > > In 1881 he is still with Henry and Ann who are in a house where Ann's mother > Mary Chisnall (nee Alexander) is the designated head of the house. Here he > is shown as Grandson. > > There are several sisters of Ann not accounted for her but does any one know > anything about him > > Ken > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >