I am trying to locate family (9-10-11 greatgrandparents) who are supposed to be buried in one of the church cemeteries in Fressingfield. Thomas Aldous spouse Frances Mychell Aldous, Robert & Elizabeth Aldous, Francis and Sarah Gooch Aldous. All in the mid to late 1500's. Even a church name that I could contact for information would be great. Thanks for any assistance. Loraine Ertelt [email protected] Loveland Colorado

> I am currently researching the CRANE family who - 500 years after > the Norman Conquest when they came to England were found mostly settled in > Suffolk, with one group living at Crane Hall in Ipswich.> > > John - Sunny Suffolk> Absolutely no disrespect intended, believe me, but I often wish I had a fiver for every time I see a message claiming someone's ancestors came over with William the Conqueror or at the time of the Norman Conquest! All my surname dictionaries give CRANE as an English name, a nickname from the bird and probably bestowed upon a long-legged person. Reaney & Wilson say the earliest recorded reference was for an Osbert Crane in the Pipe Rolls for Cambridgeshire in 1177, well over a century after the Norman Conquest, so I'd be interested to know how you have traced it back to the Conquest? If it came from one of those Internet websites that give potted explanations of surnames and want to sell you a mug or tea towel with your alleged coat of arms on it - genealogy bucket shops, I call them - then those charlatans will tell you virtually EVERY name came to England with the Normans! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi John There's plenty of info about the Cranes of Chilton from the 15th cent to the early 17th century in the Visitation of Suffolk 1561 (which is actually updated to include later info). I downloaded it from somewhere, either via Google or internet archive, can't remember which ... 23 pages or so of genealogical info, wills etc. re the family. They married into the Clopton family at Kentwell in Melford at least once, possibly more, and had family links to Blickling in Norfolk as well. Can't see any references to the Americas, at a quick glance, but the publication date was probably sometime in that period ... Lyn B -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Barbrook Sent: 11 August 2012 22:44 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFK-UK] Suffolk CRANE Family Hi Listers I am currently researching the CRANE family who - 500 years after the Norman Conquest when they came to England were found mostly settled in Suffolk, with one group living at Crane Hall in Ipswich. Crane Hall - still standing - is listed as a late 16th century timber framed house which was encased in brick in the 19th century and can be seen in a very useful site at http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/Details/Default.aspx?id=428036 <http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/Details/Default.aspx?id=428036&mode=quick > &mode=quick It is believed that Crane family members lived at the Hall up to the time when some (or all) of them - fiercely Protestant - left England for America for a 'new life' in Massachusetts. This emigration is reputed to have been at the same time - if not with - John Winthrop (of Groton, Suffolk) went to New England and established new settlements - eventually becoming the first governor of that State. I am trying to discover what members of the Crane family lived at Crane Hall; when they departed for the New World; and whether they left anyone behind in doing so. Does anyone have any clues as to where this sort of information could be found please? Thanks John - Sunny Suffolk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karen I can't help you with your Richard or Gagers in Bury but just to say that there are Gagers in Long Melford from the 16th century, including some Richards ... probably no connection at all but if your researches in Bury happen to lead back to Melford, come back to me and I have info. Lyn B -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen Hodges Sent: 18 August 2012 10:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFK-UK] Bury St Edmund records I am researching Richard GAGER and would like to find please the maiden name of a 2nd wife and also who his family was. My ancestor Richard Gager lived in King Lynn in 1764-1765 and again 1768-1779. He married twice first to Ann Nelson nee Stanfield in 1764 in Tilney her parish, his was King Lynn. 1765 has a son John and first wife Ann was buried 1765 in King Lynn His second wife Susanna[Susan] had 1768 daughter Elizabeth baptised November 1772 daughter Mary Baptised 1774 daughter Anne Baptised 1779 Richard was buried in King Lynn [no age given or occupation] 1786 Susanna his widow was buried in King Lynn [no age given] The surname GAGER is uncommon in Norfolk. There are a 5 Richard Gager's baptised in parish records [1672,1701,1707,1710,1734] in Bury St Edmund's Suffolk in St James; the 1734 record is son of Richard and Mary Gager. Richard Gager the father of Richard above was married first to Elizabeth and had two daughters Mary 1731 Elizabeth 1732 His wife Elizabeth died in 1732 and he remarried Mary CROPLEY in 1733 They had Richard 1734 Mary 1737 Elizabeth 1739 The given names of this family in Bury are repeated in my family in King Lynn. I have found a burial of a Richard GAGER in Bury in 1768 in July which if this is the father of my Richard [maybe the baptised child of 1734] it would explain where he may have married. After Richard in King Lynn's first wife died he may have moved back to family to have someone to care for his son or to help his father if he was ill/aging. I am wondering if Richard married his second wife in the Bury St Edmund's area as I have not been able to find anything in Norfolk. Any information on the family in Bury St Edmund's that might prove or disprove this theory is welcome. Karen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Ingrid billings" <[email protected]> > Hi Roy, > > Well you have come to a great list and also links from it. One link > that will be very helpful is the Cosford Database - it is an amazing > piece of work that has linked a whole load of parishes and all the families > therein. > Look at it as a snail and you start in one point and go round in > circles and it comes out at the end not missed anything. The link for this > group is http://web.archive.org/web/20080611133922/http://www.cosford-databas > e.co.uk/ > > There are many of this list that link and don't know it yet. My > husband went onto it and I didn't see him for three months! One of the names > that he has is Faiers he only has 4 of them but does link into Lavenham. Good > hunting. > > Ingrid Billings > (Links into Cuthbert / Manning / Mills ) > Many thanks, Ingrid! I looked at the database you mention - most impressive. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Cliff, I am not of the Copping/Copping family but I knew a gentleman who died a few years back whose name was Roy Copping. He to my knowledge, was working on a book on all Copping/Coppins everywhwere even as far over to Tasmania . So if you do a google you may find that book. He lived at Shoeburyness, near Southend and was a member of theEssex fmily history Society, so if you were to contqct the society, you will maybe see if he completed he book and see if maybe the Copping records are here still. His widow my third cousin, who I have lost touch with, was remarried and I cannot remember he name now, sorry. I hope that helps you a little. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:32 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 > Hi all > > Does anyone have access to the PRs for Walpole re a baptism of Betsey > Coppin/Copping in August 1821 please? > > Thanks > > Cliff > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The name is registered with the Guiild of One-name studies [email protected] Ken -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cliff Jones" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:32 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SFK-UK] Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 > Hi all > > Does anyone have access to the PRs for Walpole re a baptism of Betsey > Coppin/Copping in August 1821 please? > > Thanks > > Cliff > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am researching Richard GAGER and would like to find please the maiden name of a 2nd wife and also who his family was. My ancestor Richard Gager lived in King Lynn in 1764-1765 and again 1768-1779. He married twice first to Ann Nelson nee Stanfield in 1764 in Tilney her parish, his was King Lynn. 1765 has a son John and first wife Ann was buried 1765 in King Lynn His second wife Susanna[Susan] had 1768 daughter Elizabeth baptised November 1772 daughter Mary Baptised 1774 daughter Anne Baptised 1779 Richard was buried in King Lynn [no age given or occupation] 1786 Susanna his widow was buried in King Lynn [no age given] The surname GAGER is uncommon in Norfolk. There are a 5 Richard Gager's baptised in parish records [1672,1701,1707,1710,1734] in Bury St Edmund's Suffolk in St James; the 1734 record is son of Richard and Mary Gager. Richard Gager the father of Richard above was married first to Elizabeth and had two daughters Mary 1731 Elizabeth 1732 His wife Elizabeth died in 1732 and he remarried Mary CROPLEY in 1733 They had Richard 1734 Mary 1737 Elizabeth 1739 The given names of this family in Bury are repeated in my family in King Lynn. I have found a burial of a Richard GAGER in Bury in 1768 in July which if this is the father of my Richard [maybe the baptised child of 1734] it would explain where he may have married. After Richard in King Lynn's first wife died he may have moved back to family to have someone to care for his son or to help his father if he was ill/aging. I am wondering if Richard married his second wife in the Bury St Edmund's area as I have not been able to find anything in Norfolk. Any information on the family in Bury St Edmund's that might prove or disprove this theory is welcome. Karen

Hi Roy, Ingrid & Listers ! Lavenham is one of my favourite places, and the name FAIERS rang a bell, so I have just checked my photos, and found that there was a baker's shop named "Sparling & Faiers" in the Market Place there in early August 2007; it may still be there, although that does not mean that there is still a partner of that name in the business ? I hope that this helps ! Best Wishes ! Roger. ---------------------- On 18 Aug 2012, at 09:07, Ingrid billings wrote: > Hi Roy, > > Well you have come to a great list and also links from it. One > link that > will be very helpful is the Cosford Database - it is an amazing > piece of > work that has linked a whole load of parishes and all the families > therein. > Look at it as a snail and you start in one point and go round in > circles and > it comes out at the end not missed anything. The link for this > group is > http://web.archive.org/web/20080611133922/http://www.cosford- > database.co.uk/ > > There are many of this list that link and don't know it yet. My > husband went > onto it and I didn't see him for three months! One of the names > that he has > is Faiers he only has 4 of them but does link into Lavenham. Good > hunting. > > Ingrid Billings > (Links into Cuthbert / Manning / Mills ) > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:suffolk- > [email protected]] On > Behalf Of Roy Stockdill > Sent: 17 August 2012 10:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Lavenham ancestors of Ruth Rendell > > > > --- On Fri, 17/8/12, Roy Stockdill <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > From: Roy Stockdill <[email protected]> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Lavenham ancestors of Ruth Rendell > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 17 August, 2012, 22:07 > > > I have just joined this list, though I imagine some listers will > know me > from others! > > I have just begun to research the ancestry and Suffolk roots of Ruth > Rendell, one of the world's best-known and best-selling crime > novelists, > creator of the Chief Inspector Wexford character, etc. She also > writes as > Barbara Vine. > > I have discovered that she descends from the PETLEY family of > Lavenham. MARY > PETLEY, baptised at Lavenham November 27 1783, was her gt-gt-gt- > grandmother > and married CHRISTIAN FREDERIC GRASEMANN, who was of German descent, > possibly from Frankfurt am Maine, at St Leonard's Church, Shoreditch, > London, on May 1 1810. They had at least 13 children between 1811 > and 1827, > all born in London. > > The direct line runs from one of the sons, John Charles Grasemann, > born July > 9 1820, through two ancestors both called Frederick Charles Christian > Grasemann to Ruth Rendell's father Arthur Grasemann born in 1900 at > Plymouth, He married Ebba Elise Kruse at West Ham in 1929 and Ruth > was born > Ruth B Grasemann also at West Ham in the March quarter of 1930. She > is, of > course, a life peer as Baroness Rendell of Babergh CBE. > > Mary Petley had a sister Sophia, also of Lavenham, who married John > Jacob > Grasemann (probably a brother or cousin of Christian Frederic) at > St John's, > Hackney, in 1825. Both Petley girls appear to have been the > daughters of > John Petley and Elizabeth Willis of Lavenham, according to one > particular > website. > > My apologies if this topic has been raised before but I couldn't see > anything in the list archives, Glad to receive any connections or > info on > the earlier ancestry. > > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: > http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > The following website appears to take the Petley family of Lavenham > back to > one Richard Petley (circa 1665-1738)..... > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/e/f/Jo-anne-Jeffrys/ > WEBSITE-000 > 1/UHP-0766.html > > Other names that seem to crop up are FAIERS and GURLING. > > Can anyone confirm this pedigree? Thanks! > > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: > http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Does anyone have access to the PRs for Walpole re a baptism of Betsey Coppin/Copping in August 1821 please? Thanks Cliff

Hi all Does anyone have access to the PRs for Bedfield re a baptism of Betsy Coppin/Copping in October 1821 please? Thanks Cliff

In the past few days i have found some information on my STEVENSON/ STEPHENSON line that leads me to think this John STEVENSON born Ipswich 1817 and married Elizabeth Ann COPE dau. of John COPE in 1848 at Needham Market is the same John STEVENSON born 1817 at Ipswich with a wife Elizabeth Ann in the 1861 census in Ward 5, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I have not seen the census image myself but have read the transcription on the Family Search site. I also do not know when they immigrated. I do not know if there are any children involved with this couple. If there is anyone besides myself and Paula HADGRAFT researching the STEVENSON/STEPHENSON i would be most interested in hearing from you. I am also interested in hearing from anyone researching the COPE line from Needham Market. Bob

Hi Roy, Well you have come to a great list and also links from it. One link that will be very helpful is the Cosford Database - it is an amazing piece of work that has linked a whole load of parishes and all the families therein. Look at it as a snail and you start in one point and go round in circles and it comes out at the end not missed anything. The link for this group is http://web.archive.org/web/20080611133922/http://www.cosford-database.co.uk/ There are many of this list that link and don't know it yet. My husband went onto it and I didn't see him for three months! One of the names that he has is Faiers he only has 4 of them but does link into Lavenham. Good hunting. Ingrid Billings (Links into Cuthbert / Manning / Mills ) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill Sent: 17 August 2012 10:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Lavenham ancestors of Ruth Rendell --- On Fri, 17/8/12, Roy Stockdill <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Stockdill <[email protected]> Subject: [SFK-UK] Lavenham ancestors of Ruth Rendell To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 17 August, 2012, 22:07 I have just joined this list, though I imagine some listers will know me from others!   I have just begun to research the ancestry and Suffolk roots of Ruth Rendell, one of the world's best-known and best-selling crime novelists, creator of the Chief Inspector Wexford character, etc. She also writes as Barbara Vine.   I have discovered that she descends from the PETLEY family of Lavenham. MARY PETLEY, baptised at Lavenham November 27 1783, was her gt-gt-gt-grandmother and married CHRISTIAN FREDERIC GRASEMANN, who was of German descent, possibly from Frankfurt am Maine, at St Leonard's Church, Shoreditch, London, on May 1 1810. They had at least 13 children between 1811 and 1827, all born in London.   The direct line runs from one of the sons, John Charles Grasemann, born July 9 1820, through two ancestors both called Frederick Charles Christian Grasemann to Ruth Rendell's father Arthur Grasemann born in 1900 at Plymouth, He married Ebba Elise Kruse at West Ham in 1929 and Ruth was born Ruth B Grasemann also at West Ham in the March quarter of 1930. She is, of course, a life peer as Baroness Rendell of Babergh CBE.   Mary Petley had a sister Sophia, also of Lavenham, who married John Jacob Grasemann (probably a brother or cousin of Christian Frederic) at St John's, Hackney, in 1825. Both Petley girls appear to have been the daughters of John Petley and Elizabeth Willis of Lavenham, according to one particular website.   My apologies if this topic has been raised before but I couldn't see anything in the list archives, Glad to receive any connections or info on the earlier ancestry.   Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/   The following website appears to take the Petley family of Lavenham back to one Richard Petley (circa 1665-1738)..... http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/e/f/Jo-anne-Jeffrys/WEBSITE-000 1/UHP-0766.html   Other names that seem to crop up are FAIERS and GURLING.   Can anyone confirm this pedigree? Thanks!   Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

--- On Fri, 17/8/12, Roy Stockdill <[email protected]> wrote: From: Roy Stockdill <[email protected]> Subject: [SFK-UK] Lavenham ancestors of Ruth Rendell To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 17 August, 2012, 22:07 I have just joined this list, though I imagine some listers will know me from others!   I have just begun to research the ancestry and Suffolk roots of Ruth Rendell, one of the world's best-known and best-selling crime novelists, creator of the Chief Inspector Wexford character, etc. She also writes as Barbara Vine.   I have discovered that she descends from the PETLEY family of Lavenham. MARY PETLEY, baptised at Lavenham November 27 1783, was her gt-gt-gt-grandmother and married CHRISTIAN FREDERIC GRASEMANN, who was of German descent, possibly from Frankfurt am Maine, at St Leonard's Church, Shoreditch, London, on May 1 1810. They had at least 13 children between 1811 and 1827, all born in London.   The direct line runs from one of the sons, John Charles Grasemann, born July 9 1820, through two ancestors both called Frederick Charles Christian Grasemann to Ruth Rendell's father Arthur Grasemann born in 1900 at Plymouth, He married Ebba Elise Kruse at West Ham in 1929 and Ruth was born Ruth B Grasemann also at West Ham in the March quarter of 1930. She is, of course, a life peer as Baroness Rendell of Babergh CBE.   Mary Petley had a sister Sophia, also of Lavenham, who married John Jacob Grasemann (probably a brother or cousin of Christian Frederic) at St John's, Hackney, in 1825. Both Petley girls appear to have been the daughters of John Petley and Elizabeth Willis of Lavenham, according to one particular website.   My apologies if this topic has been raised before but I couldn't see anything in the list archives, Glad to receive any connections or info on the earlier ancestry.   Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/   The following website appears to take the Petley family of Lavenham back to one Richard Petley (circa 1665-1738)..... http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/e/f/Jo-anne-Jeffrys/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0766.html   Other names that seem to crop up are FAIERS and GURLING.   Can anyone confirm this pedigree? Thanks!   Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/

I have just joined this list, though I imagine some listers will know me from others!   I have just begun to research the ancestry and Suffolk roots of Ruth Rendell, one of the world's best-known and best-selling crime novelists, creator of the Chief Inspector Wexford character, etc. She also writes as Barbara Vine.   I have discovered that she descends from the PETLEY family of Lavenham. MARY PETLEY, baptised at Lavenham November 27 1783, was her gt-gt-gt-grandmother and married CHRISTIAN FREDERIC GRASEMANN, who was of German descent, possibly from Frankfurt am Maine, at St Leonard's Church, Shoreditch, London, on May 1 1810. They had at least 13 children between 1811 and 1827, all born in London.   The direct line runs from one of the sons, John Charles Grasemann, born July 9 1820, through two ancestors both called Frederick Charles Christian Grasemann to Ruth Rendell's father Arthur Grasemann born in 1900 at Plymouth, He married Ebba Elise Kruse at West Ham in 1929 and Ruth was born Ruth B Grasemann also at West Ham in the March quarter of 1930. She is, of course, a life peer as Baroness Rendell of Babergh CBE.   Mary Petley had a sister Sophia, also of Lavenham, who married John Jacob Grasemann (probably a brother or cousin of Christian Frederic) at St John's, Hackney, in 1825. Both Petley girls appear to have been the daughters of John Petley and Elizabeth Willis of Lavenham, according to one particular website.   My apologies if this topic has been raised before but I couldn't see anything in the list archives, Glad to receive any connections or info on the earlier ancestry.   Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/  

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Thanks, Peter SUFFOLK List Admin. -------------------------------------------------- GibbsThis is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Tess02uk Surnames: Gibbs Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8830/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Harriet Gibbs born around 1813, Married James Pedder. Does anyone happen to have any further information on this? Cheers -------------------------------------------------- Re: William Warner 1805 -1892 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: silvery194 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8829.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Boyds Marriage Index gives the marriage as 1829, Halesworth and William's burial on the NBI 12/02/1892 aged 85 at St. Margaret's, Linstead Parva. Hope this helps - can't see a baptism for William at present -------------------------------------------------- Re: William Warner 1805 -1892 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Dorili Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8829.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you I hope it does, I have been looking for this for ages, if you find anything else I will be grateful to receive it Regards Dorili -------------------------------------------------- Mary Emma Plum This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: angelabishop800 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8831/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Searching for information regarding Mary Emma Plum, can only find marriage record to Samuel Blundell, and census, cannot find birth records name of parents or birthplace, I know they lived in Sudbury, and that some of her children were born in Conway Caernarvonshire, and the later ones registered in Suffolk, not even sure if Mary Emma even came from Suffolk she was known in the family as Emma. Many Thanks Angela -------------------------------------------------- Re: Mary Emma Plum This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lulupat Surnames: Blundell,Plumb Classification: census Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8831.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: According to the 1911 census she was born in Essex BLUNDELL, Samuel Head Married M 32 1879 Boot Maker And Repairer Conway Carnarvon BLUNDELL, Mary Emma Wife Married10 years F 37 1874 Pentlow Essex BLUNDELL, Samuel Arthur Vincent Son M 10 1901 School Conway Carnarvon BLUNDELL, Frederick William George Son M 7 1904 School Conway Carnarvon BLUNDELL, Edward Victor Son M 3 1908 Tywyn Carnarvon BLUNDELL, Kathleen Frances Emma Daughter F 1 1910 Sudbury Suffolk RG number: RG14 Piece: 10553 Reference: RG14PN10553 RG78PN565 RD205 SD3 ED7 SN177 Registration District: Sudbury Sub District: Sudbury Enumeration District: 7 Parish: Sudbury Address: 41 Mill Lane Sudbury Suffolk County: Suffolk -------------------------------------------------- Re: Mary Emma Plum This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carobradford Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8831.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Angela This looks like her marriage: Marriages Mar 1901 BLUNDELL Samuel Sudbury 4a 863 PLUMB Mary Emma Sudbury 4a 863 The marriage certificate (�9.25 inclusive of postage from www.gro.gov.uk) will give you her father's name and occupation. Caroline -------------------------------------------------- Re: Mary Emma Plum This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: angelabishop800 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8831.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks to you both, Lulupat and Carolbennet for the information, will chase up the marriage certificate asap -------------------------------------------------- Re: Mary Emma Plum This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Plum Classification: birth Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8831.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From the parish registers of St. George, Pentlow, Essex Mary Emma Plum baptised December 28th, 1873 daughter of William and Louisa father a labourer. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Mary Emma Plum This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: angelabishop800 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8831.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thankyou Glemsue for the information, once again you have come up trumps, you gave me some info a while ago on my Grandmothers side of the family from Lavenham,Long Melford area again many thanks for taking the time to look up the records Sincerely Angela -------------------------------------------------- Re: Soar family in Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thescopesies Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/589.1417.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: we are connected through william scopes snr b1804. i have him registered in the 1841 census with William snr and eliza. also siblings elizabeth, thomas and robert. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Bloomfield, Ipswich, Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Famagusta Surnames: Bloomfield Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8822.2.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Kas My BLOOMFIELD/BLUMFIELD family start in 1790 with the birth of John in Framsden Suffolk. He married Hannah EMMERSON in 1813 in Tattingstone, and they had 4 daughters and 1 son between 1813 and 1823, a daughter, Sarah, married into my family of TRACEY. John his son went onto marry and have children but I cannot find any that link in with your tree. Sorry. I would say that there are a number of spellings of the surname and there are lots of them in Suffolk so you will have an interesting time ahead of you. I hope when you check all the details that Geoff sent you, that you find your ancestors, but don't loose heart if it takes a while. Family Tree research is a lifetime hobby and one that you will never finish ... ... Good Luck and Happy Hunting Tricia -------------------------------------------------- Re: Johes Oxborowe This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rosemill76 Surnames: Osborowe, Oxborrow Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8187.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I saw this several years ago in a lovely tree chart uploaded to the web by Toby Oxborrow (can't find it any more) and wondered the same thing. Someone I showed it to pointed out that there was an ellipsis after the name Johes which indicated that there was a gap in information there, i.e., some generations were missing. I'm not sure how they knew about Johes if there were missing generations though. Perhaps it was simply that they didn't have room on the pretty chart for all the generations. -------------------------------------------------- Robinson's of Wetherden This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tonineobard Surnames: Robinson & Dean/Dane Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8832/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a mystery - and it is complicated so apologies for this long post! I am researching a Joseph Charles Robinson born around 1844, a bricklayer, whose census entries state that he is from Wetherden, Suffolk. He appears to live his adult life in Cambridge, Cambridgeshire (from the time of the 1871 census until his death in 1921). I have his marriage certificate to Sarah Susannah Ayres (marriage 1874, Cambridge) which states his father is Joseph Robinson, a builder. So I was pleased when I found a Joseph Robinson, born around 1845 in Wetherden with a father called Joseph who was a bricklayer. However, things then went downhill, as it was clear that Joseph junior continued to live in Wetherden, and is shown on the 1871/1881/1891 censuses with his wife Susan . So he couldn't be 'my' Joseph Charles Robinson as he was in Cambridge at this time - unless of course he was a very careful bigamist who ran from home to home to make sure he was in both on all census nights :-) I sent for the birth certificate of a Joseph Charles Robinson which fitted the details I had and this shows he was born on 21st December 1843 and his parents were Joseph Robinson, bricklayer and Mary Ann Dane. Now I know that the maiden name for the Mary Ann who is the wife of Joseph Robinson (senior) living in Wetherden is Dean - which is too similar to Dane to ignore. But I think their child Joseph is the one born in 1846 in the birth indexes as his age is consistent on the censuses and is too young to be the Joseph Charles born in December 1843. I am working on the theory that my Joseph Charles may be their other son called Charles Robinson who disappears from the census at around the right time. His age is spot on to be my Joseph Charles. And also I note that there are two Charles Robinson's of the same age on the census for the area, but only one shown in the birth indexes. So one may have been given another name at birth. It is always possible this Charles dies before the 1871 census as there is one that does, but no age at death is shown at this time and I think it relates to another Charles Robinson who dies as an infant. If Charles Robinson is my Joseph Charles Robinson, why on earth did the parents register two children as Joseph. I have only ever come across this when the first one dies. Is there anyone who has access to the Wetherden Parish Records that could help me clear up this mystery. Many thanks Toni -------------------------------------------------- Re: Robinson's of Wetherden This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Robesure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8832.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Wetherden burials at St Marys are on the NBI. The only Charles around that time were 9 July 1847, age 78 and a Charles William, 23 Feb 1874 age 6 weeks. The only Joseph was 17 Aug 1894 age 79. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Robinson's of Wetherden This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tonineobard Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8832.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Robesure - that does help. I've got my fingers crossed that someone has access to Wetherden baptisms which may shed further light. I have known children's births to be registered under one given name only for another to be given at baptism - and I have a vague hope that this may be the case here. Kind regards Toni -------------------------------------------------- Charles Warner, born about 1794 in Stonham Aspal This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryl2010 Surnames: Warner, Steward Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8833/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for a baptism for Charles Warner, born about 1794 in Stonham Aspall, Suffolk. Also his marriage to Lydia Steward between about 1832 and 1840. This could be in Ipswich, London, or anywhere else! Charles Warner was a soldier (on his daughter's marriage) and a labourer on his death certificate. I would be very grateful for any help. Mary Lynch -------------------------------------------------- Re: YOUNG, William Chambers & YOUNG, Plowman Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pie_lai Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8705.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: yes, I did learn that my grandfather father's grandfathers father is Dr Plowman Young :) If they are interested I am willing to help/ give information? I know a lot about the family free and the history behind it. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Charles Warner, born about 1794 in Stonham Aspal This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: glemsue Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8833.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you found them on any census, where did you get Charles birthplace from. what were their childrens names and places of birth? -------------------------------------------------- Re: Charles Warner, born about 1794 in Stonham Aspal This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryl2010 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8833.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My starting point is the marriage in London, in 1863 of my g-g-grandparents Charlotte Warner and Joseph Morgan. Charlotte's father is given as Charles Warner (deceased), profession soldier. I have found Charlotte in every census from 1851 to 1911 (but not 1841). Her age varies slightly, but I think she was probably born in 1835. Even in 1851 she is not with her parents. Her place of birth is given variously as Strand, St Martins, or Charing Cross. I have not found any convincing baptisms. I looked for soldiers called Charles Warner, and the best candidate I can find was born in Stonham Aspal in 1794. He joined the Coldstream Guards at Ipswich in 1816, and served as a private up to 1838. His WO97 service record is on findmypast. His occupation is given as labourer. There is no mention of any wife or children. My hypothesis is that this Charles Warner is the same one who died in 1846, with death registered in St James, Westminster. He was buried on St James, Picadilly, age 53 (findmypast and familysearch). I recently bought the death certificate, which gives his occupation as labourer. The informant is his wife, Lydia. I can't find Charles or Lydia Warner on the 1841 census. Lydia remarried in 1849, which gives me her maiden name, Steward. I have found her with her husband Robert Kirby on the 1851 census. This gives her age, 36, and place of birth, Ipswich. I haven't found them in 1861, but by 1871 Lydia is a widow again, back in Ipswich. Apologies for such a long post, but I thought it worth giving what evidence I have, as it is a bit thin. The main connection to tie these people together is that Charles and Lydia are both from Suffolk. Also there is a Westminster connection - the Coldstream guards were often in Westminster, where Charlotte was born. Sometimes they were posted to Ireland, which may explain the lack of a baptism. Or perhaps Charlotte was baptised in Ipswich. There is a baptism in 1842, in St Martin in the Fields, for a Charlotte Warner born in 1835, but her parents are William (a soldier) and Elizabeth. There is a Charlotte Warner born in 1832, to Charles Lloyd Warner and Jane Ayton, but I am sure she is not the right one. Of course, it is possible that Charlotte did not know her father's name, and made it up! Mary --------------------------------------------------

Hi John Much would depend upon when the event was registered and by whom Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/08/2012 12:22, John E Farrow wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know if there is a rule when a child is registered to un-married parents whether they are entered twice, under each surname, or if when both surnames are hyphenated is it the male or female surname first ? – or does it just depend on which parent did the registration ? > > TIA > > John E Farrow

Well that certainly cleans up a long standing query in my family history. Thanks Ken! Janine -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of K Finch Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2012 12:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Birth registration In the UK you can register it any way as long as both parents are present. Also if the parents subsequently marry you should reregister the birth as if the marriage has preceded the birth. Ken -------------------------------------------------- From: "John E Farrow" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:22 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SFK-UK] Birth registration > Hi > > Does anyone know if there is a rule when a child is registered to > un-married parents whether they are entered twice, under each surname, > or if when both surnames are hyphenated is it the male or female > surname first ? – or does it just depend on which parent did the registration ? > > TIA > > John E Farrow > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5196 - Release Date: 08/12/12

Hi Does anyone have Haverhill burials 1780-1820? Thanks John

Ken, If Marriage takes place within 1 year of Birth then name is changed by special request to the registrar general, the forms for these are available at any registrars office. The birth cert will be changed and reissued with only the registration date changed. Don;t know what situation is now but prior to the 80's you had to ask to officially adopt the child to get name changed or do it by deed poll. Lots of people found this too bothersome and were just causing all sorts of confusion with schools Dr's etc etc and that is why they brought in that The fathers name was recorded on birth cert providing both the parents were willing and signed the forms.     Honor Please don't judge me on what I have achieved, but what I have overcome. Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body. Rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" ________________________________ From: K Finch <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012, 15:44 Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Birth registration In the UK you can register it any way as long as both parents are present. Also if the parents subsequently marry you should reregister the birth as if the marriage has preceded the birth. Ken -------------------------------------------------- From: "John E Farrow" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:22 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SFK-UK] Birth registration > Hi > > Does anyone know if there is a rule when a child is registered to > un-married parents whether they are entered twice, under each surname, or > if when both surnames are hyphenated is it the male or female surname > first ? – or does it just depend on which parent did the registration ? > > TIA > > John E Farrow > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]ootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message