Hi Lois, I was the one who mentiond Roy the other day. He was married to my third cousin Jean nee Clark of Essex. My mgternal grandmother was a Clark.When I met him for the first time in 1989, he handed me allof his notes on the Clark family of "Essex, including all connecting families, I thought that so generous of him, since we had never met but had been in touch. I have a photo of both of them with me. Jean is now remarried. As I said he was in the process of writing a book on the Coppings and it is more than likely he finished it. Maybe his Jean can be located via his Church or the old address you have for him, more than likely she is still living there with er new husband. Or the lettter would be redirected to her new addy. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Copping" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 3:29 AM Subject: [SFK-UK] COPPING genealogy and Roy Copping > Hello Terry and Listers, I just wanted to say that Roy Copping was > any amazing researcher and so very helpful to me here in Canada. > > Altho his own lineage in Essex was difficult to advance, Roy was > always interested in helping others. His letters, Copping findings > and efforts to sort through > and reason out the various family lines was a remarkable talent. > > My grandparents were born in Suffolk and Roy was very familiar with > many of the COPPINGs there. He was always prepared to give his > overall findings and his reasons > for making surname connections based on the surviving records. He > always presented his data and allowed you to make your own decision. > > Searching forward from the available 1881 Census available through > the LDS/FHC here in Canada was even more difficult. Prior to meeting > Roy, I had been ordering > and viewing filmed church records. When I determined that my > grandfather and his parents might be in Essex, well without Roy I > would not have been able to > proceed. > > My father lost his Dad when he was 14. His mother was my only living > grandparent. My research has taken a strange direction into what > amounts to family secrets. > I have made contact with living descendants of my grandfather still > in Essex and been ignored. > > For those interested - both my grandparents descend from John Copping > and Elizabeth Bromeley who married 1710 at Coddenham. Their common > connection was > Ezekiel Copping and Susan Newson married 1810 at Henley and died at > Grundisburgh. > > Roy was ever so helpful finding details of my grandfather COPPING in > Chelmsford/Essex. This you see was my grandfather with his wife and > children. And I still > have no idea how he happened to come to Canada with my > grandmother. I am still trying to put together the pieces but I do > have much more these days. I have been > successfully locating from free BMD the various certs for his wife > and children. I now know when his wife died in Essex which was many > years after his death here in > Canada. I know when and who his daughter married. And I know much > about his two eldest sons in England. > > Terry - my COPPING surname connection is COTTON if you should want to > look in Roy's files. I seem to recall he would refer to his HEAP > where he always knew > he had something of importance. > > For those COPPING researchers who might be inclined to help me with > current missing pieces: My grandfather only had one sibling and I > know he was living according to the > 1911 Census for parents Thomas Copping and Mary Ann Smith. Two live > births - two living! My grandfather George was born 1863 at Sutton. > > Harry COPPING was born in 1865 at Grundisburgh. The family unit > was together in 1881 at Burgh. Harry (a minor) married in 1884 at > Laxfield and was seen 1891 at Hoxne as a > carter/boarder. I have not found Harry in the 1901 or 1911 Census. > > But I have found in 1901 and 1911 Rachel, the woman Harry married in > 1884 and her daughter named Annie who was seen in 1891 with Thomas > and Mary Ann at Blaxhall. > > To further confuse you perhaps - it is believed that my grandfathers > brother Harry (a widower) remarried in March 1917 at Colchester and > lived and died in York. My primary concern > is the mention that this Harry's father Thomas was deceased on the > marriage cert and my great grandfather Thomas did not die until Dec > 1918. I do have a theory as to who married in 1917 > but it is beyond my pocketbook to chase further. > > On the one hand I am tempted to order the York 1936 death certificate > but I suspect I will learn nothing concrete to prove his roots. > > For some reason I cannot stop looking for my grandfather's brother > Harry but I am stuck and missing my friend Roy and his many talents > and willingness to help. > > Any help would be most welcome, thanks, Lois Copping in BC/Canada > > > > >>Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:26:55 +0100 >>From: "Terry Tidman" <[email protected]> >> >> >>Hello to the Copping researcher. I am/was a distant cousin of Roy >>Copping, >>and I live in Leigh on Sea. I have inherited a number of files of various >>Names who had a Copping connection, not referred to villages or Counties, >>mainly Surname links If you can let me know of another surname connection >>of >>the Walpole Betsy Copping I will see if there is any name link rather than >>a >>Parish at this stage. Hope this helps. >>If you would contact me direct I will see if there is any connection with >>the names I have. >>My e-mail is the [email protected], >>Terry Tidman > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Terry and Listers, I just wanted to say that Roy Copping was any amazing researcher and so very helpful to me here in Canada. Altho his own lineage in Essex was difficult to advance, Roy was always interested in helping others. His letters, Copping findings and efforts to sort through and reason out the various family lines was a remarkable talent. My grandparents were born in Suffolk and Roy was very familiar with many of the COPPINGs there. He was always prepared to give his overall findings and his reasons for making surname connections based on the surviving records. He always presented his data and allowed you to make your own decision. Searching forward from the available 1881 Census available through the LDS/FHC here in Canada was even more difficult. Prior to meeting Roy, I had been ordering and viewing filmed church records. When I determined that my grandfather and his parents might be in Essex, well without Roy I would not have been able to proceed. My father lost his Dad when he was 14. His mother was my only living grandparent. My research has taken a strange direction into what amounts to family secrets. I have made contact with living descendants of my grandfather still in Essex and been ignored. For those interested - both my grandparents descend from John Copping and Elizabeth Bromeley who married 1710 at Coddenham. Their common connection was Ezekiel Copping and Susan Newson married 1810 at Henley and died at Grundisburgh. Roy was ever so helpful finding details of my grandfather COPPING in Chelmsford/Essex. This you see was my grandfather with his wife and children. And I still have no idea how he happened to come to Canada with my grandmother. I am still trying to put together the pieces but I do have much more these days. I have been successfully locating from free BMD the various certs for his wife and children. I now know when his wife died in Essex which was many years after his death here in Canada. I know when and who his daughter married. And I know much about his two eldest sons in England. Terry - my COPPING surname connection is COTTON if you should want to look in Roy's files. I seem to recall he would refer to his HEAP where he always knew he had something of importance. For those COPPING researchers who might be inclined to help me with current missing pieces: My grandfather only had one sibling and I know he was living according to the 1911 Census for parents Thomas Copping and Mary Ann Smith. Two live births - two living! My grandfather George was born 1863 at Sutton. Harry COPPING was born in 1865 at Grundisburgh. The family unit was together in 1881 at Burgh. Harry (a minor) married in 1884 at Laxfield and was seen 1891 at Hoxne as a carter/boarder. I have not found Harry in the 1901 or 1911 Census. But I have found in 1901 and 1911 Rachel, the woman Harry married in 1884 and her daughter named Annie who was seen in 1891 with Thomas and Mary Ann at Blaxhall. To further confuse you perhaps - it is believed that my grandfathers brother Harry (a widower) remarried in March 1917 at Colchester and lived and died in York. My primary concern is the mention that this Harry's father Thomas was deceased on the marriage cert and my great grandfather Thomas did not die until Dec 1918. I do have a theory as to who married in 1917 but it is beyond my pocketbook to chase further. On the one hand I am tempted to order the York 1936 death certificate but I suspect I will learn nothing concrete to prove his roots. For some reason I cannot stop looking for my grandfather's brother Harry but I am stuck and missing my friend Roy and his many talents and willingness to help. Any help would be most welcome, thanks, Lois Copping in BC/Canada >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:26:55 +0100 >From: "Terry Tidman" <[email protected]> > > >Hello to the Copping researcher. I am/was a distant cousin of Roy Copping, >and I live in Leigh on Sea. I have inherited a number of files of various >Names who had a Copping connection, not referred to villages or Counties, >mainly Surname links If you can let me know of another surname connection of >the Walpole Betsy Copping I will see if there is any name link rather than a >Parish at this stage. Hope this helps. >If you would contact me direct I will see if there is any connection with >the names I have. >My e-mail is the [email protected], >Terry Tidman

Roy - many thanks for this ! Michael Walsby On 31/08/2012 13:58, [email protected] wrote: > I have just posted to the GENBRIT list, in answer to a query, a little tip I learnt quite a few > years ago now when researching at FreeBMD. Many listers may already be familiar with it, > and I apologise to them for being boring (!), but some newer listers and novices to family > history may not have discovered it yet, so I hope it may help them. > > This little trick I discovered can be very useful indeed if you have an unusual surname and > especially for those doing one-name studies. Here it is..... > > When researching at FreeBMD, try this..... > > 1) Leave the surname field blank. > 2) Enter into the first name field your surname of interest with either a plus sign or an asterisk > in front of it - this is vital and either the plus symbol or an asterisk both work. > 3) Select All Types and press the Search button. > > What you will get is a list of events (births, marriages and deaths) in which your surname of > interest appears as a MIDDLE forename. To give an example, if I enter "+STOCKDILL" or > "*STOCKDILL", I get the following results..... > > Marriages Sep 1844 > COGHILL Robert Stockdill Leeds 23 371 > > Births Sep 1847 > Firth Thomas Stockdill Hunslet 23 317 > > Deaths Jun 1863 > Firth Thomas Stockdill Kirkstall 9b 145 > > Births Sep 1863 > RIDOUT Sarah Stockdill Shaftesbury 5a 237 > > Deaths Sep 1873 > Cooper George Stockdill 0 Leeds 9b 325 > > Marriages Dec 1883 > Middlebrook John Stockdill Bradford Y 9b 101 > > Marriages Sep 1885 > Ridout Sarah Stockdill Lambeth 1d 856 > > Births Jun 1893 > France Robert Stockdill Bradford, Y. 9b 116 > > Births Mar 1896 > Middlebrook Stockdill Dewsbury 9b 558 > > All of the above FreeBMD entries led me to research further and to discover why the people > concerned had the middle name of Stockdill. Entering my principal GOONS name of > STOCKDALE produced a far, far greater number of entries, as did entering my secondary > one-name study surname of WORSNOP. > > Try it for yourselves! You may be surprised by what it can lead to, especially branches of your > family you never knew existed. It works best, inevitably, with uncommon surnames. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From: [email protected] > Many thanks Roy for this very informative tip. I did not know of > this and have spent a while finding various Burdekin's. > > Tricia> Now that is a very unusual and interesting name and yet I see there are quite a lot of entries at FreeBMD where BURDEKIN has been used as a middle name. Glad it's been of help to you. I would only add to my original message not to bother trying it with Smith, Brown, Jones or any other very common surname because you will be overwhelmed with the response! The usual explanation for a family surname being used as a middle forename is because they wished to commemorate a female surname - a mother, grandmother or great- grandmother - and keep it in the family. I am sure we all have copious examples of this and my purpose in pointing to how to find these entries at FreeBMD was to help listers unfamiliar with the technique. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Thank you, Roy, for that tip. It will certainly come in useful. Carol Moore -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 31 August 2012 12:58 To: Nottsgen; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [SFK-UK] A little tip at FreeBMD that may help you! I have just posted to the GENBRIT list, in answer to a query, a little tip I learnt quite a few years ago now when researching at FreeBMD. Many listers may already be familiar with it, and I apologise to them for being boring (!), but some newer listers and novices to family history may not have discovered it yet, so I hope it may help them. This little trick I discovered can be very useful indeed if you have an unusual surname and especially for those doing one-name studies. Here it is..... When researching at FreeBMD, try this..... 1) Leave the surname field blank. 2) Enter into the first name field your surname of interest with either a plus sign or an asterisk in front of it - this is vital and either the plus symbol or an asterisk both work. 3) Select All Types and press the Search button. What you will get is a list of events (births, marriages and deaths) in which your surname of interest appears as a MIDDLE forename. To give an example, if I enter "+STOCKDILL" or "*STOCKDILL", I get the following results..... Marriages Sep 1844 COGHILL Robert Stockdill Leeds 23 371 Births Sep 1847 Firth Thomas Stockdill Hunslet 23 317 Deaths Jun 1863 Firth Thomas Stockdill Kirkstall 9b 145 Births Sep 1863 RIDOUT Sarah Stockdill Shaftesbury 5a 237 Deaths Sep 1873 Cooper George Stockdill 0 Leeds 9b 325 Marriages Dec 1883 Middlebrook John Stockdill Bradford Y 9b 101 Marriages Sep 1885 Ridout Sarah Stockdill Lambeth 1d 856 Births Jun 1893 France Robert Stockdill Bradford, Y. 9b 116 Births Mar 1896 Middlebrook Stockdill Dewsbury 9b 558 All of the above FreeBMD entries led me to research further and to discover why the people concerned had the middle name of Stockdill. Entering my principal GOONS name of STOCKDALE produced a far, far greater number of entries, as did entering my secondary one-name study surname of WORSNOP. Try it for yourselves! You may be surprised by what it can lead to, especially branches of your family you never knew existed. It works best, inevitably, with uncommon surnames. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5235 - Release Date: 08/30/12

I have just posted to the GENBRIT list, in answer to a query, a little tip I learnt quite a few years ago now when researching at FreeBMD. Many listers may already be familiar with it, and I apologise to them for being boring (!), but some newer listers and novices to family history may not have discovered it yet, so I hope it may help them. This little trick I discovered can be very useful indeed if you have an unusual surname and especially for those doing one-name studies. Here it is..... When researching at FreeBMD, try this..... 1) Leave the surname field blank. 2) Enter into the first name field your surname of interest with either a plus sign or an asterisk in front of it - this is vital and either the plus symbol or an asterisk both work. 3) Select All Types and press the Search button. What you will get is a list of events (births, marriages and deaths) in which your surname of interest appears as a MIDDLE forename. To give an example, if I enter "+STOCKDILL" or "*STOCKDILL", I get the following results..... Marriages Sep 1844 COGHILL Robert Stockdill Leeds 23 371 Births Sep 1847 Firth Thomas Stockdill Hunslet 23 317 Deaths Jun 1863 Firth Thomas Stockdill Kirkstall 9b 145 Births Sep 1863 RIDOUT Sarah Stockdill Shaftesbury 5a 237 Deaths Sep 1873 Cooper George Stockdill 0 Leeds 9b 325 Marriages Dec 1883 Middlebrook John Stockdill Bradford Y 9b 101 Marriages Sep 1885 Ridout Sarah Stockdill Lambeth 1d 856 Births Jun 1893 France Robert Stockdill Bradford, Y. 9b 116 Births Mar 1896 Middlebrook Stockdill Dewsbury 9b 558 All of the above FreeBMD entries led me to research further and to discover why the people concerned had the middle name of Stockdill. Entering my principal GOONS name of STOCKDALE produced a far, far greater number of entries, as did entering my secondary one-name study surname of WORSNOP. Try it for yourselves! You may be surprised by what it can lead to, especially branches of your family you never knew existed. It works best, inevitably, with uncommon surnames. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

To all listers, Thank you all for your listings of help and support. Thank you also to those who have emailed me direct. After I sent that post, the next morning I built a family tree for Michael "Pommy" Towler, (some of you did and assisted with this), and with other materials that I researched many years ago, was able to verify my current findings as his parents and siblings. We are still working on finding Michael's Next Of Kin, but that will not be a further subject for this Suffolk list. Many thanks to you all for the competent and helpful way in which you have assisted me. It is greatly appreciated regards to you all Eddie t

G'day All I have an unusual request for help from all of you folks over there in England. The Australian and American Governments through their various agencies are planning on building a Vietnam Veterans Education Centre in Washington DC. This Centre will be situated near the now famous "Wall" monument. One of the features of this Centre for the Australian section will be a "wall of faces". A wall of photographs of all the Australians who lost their lives during the war in South Vietnam. To do this the Australian Department of Veteran's Affairs, (DVA), Office of Australian War Graves, (OAWG), section has approached Next Of Kin (NOK) of these dead soldiers for family photos and family information. Unfortunately the known NOK are very few, and DVA, OAWG have circulated a list of names of the soldiers without known NOK, to the Veteran Community asking for our assistance in tracking down these unknown NOK. Of the eight soldiers who died from my unit in South Vietnam, two had known NOK; another four I have been able to supply the names of NOK immediately; leaving only two without. Of these two remaining soldiers without NOK, today I found a younger brother of one, albeit an old man today. This leaves just one soldier from my unit who has no known Next Of Kin. This soldier is an English man, from Darlington, County Durham, England. He is Michael "Pommy" TOWLER. His Service number is: 2792254 Michael Towler was called up as a National Serviceman under the Australian National Service Act which was in vogue during the period about 1965 to 1972. He was conscripted in other words, into the Australian Army. There were lots of us. Michael Towler was 'killed in action' on the 12 June 1971. There is an army 'mug shot' of him at the web page url below, (page is arranged in alphabetical order by surname: http://www.hq1atf.org/honour3.htm I am asking for assistance and positive feedback on how I can locate a brother, (whom I am lead to believe was alive in about 1986 - 1988), who may still live in County Durham. I do not have any given names at this stage; only the surname of TOWLER. But as genealogical detectives, lots of us with many good years of experience, I had thought that one of you would be able to point me down a long narrow path that has a light at the end of it, that isn't a train comming to meet with me!!. thanks in anticipation regards eddie tricker

Thanks Roy Of course I wasn't there at the time - and they are not my ancestors, so I have no axe to grind. Although family historians must always go down the path of "authentification is when you examine the original document yourself" - not believe some spurious claim transcribed half a dozen times and embroidered on the way. At the end of the day you have got to weigh the probabilities yourself. Having said that, I could recommend a read of Genealogy of the Crane Family by Ellery Bicknell Crane published in Massachusetts in 1895 - that is if you have not already done so. I too have collected a number of fivers over the past 40 or so years. Kind regards John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 August 2012 12:58 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Suffolk CRANE Family > I am currently researching the CRANE family who - 500 years after > the Norman Conquest when they came to England were found mostly settled in > Suffolk, with one group living at Crane Hall in Ipswich.> > > John - Sunny Suffolk> Absolutely no disrespect intended, believe me, but I often wish I had a fiver for every time I see a message claiming someone's ancestors came over with William the Conqueror or at the time of the Norman Conquest! All my surname dictionaries give CRANE as an English name, a nickname from the bird and probably bestowed upon a long-legged person. Reaney & Wilson say the earliest recorded reference was for an Osbert Crane in the Pipe Rolls for Cambridgeshire in 1177, well over a century after the Norman Conquest, so I'd be interested to know how you have traced it back to the Conquest? If it came from one of those Internet websites that give potted explanations of surnames and want to sell you a mug or tea towel with your alleged coat of arms on it - genealogy bucket shops, I call them - then those charlatans will tell you virtually EVERY name came to England with the Normans! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Thank you very much Lyn I must have a look for that. Every little helps! Regards John -----Original Message----- From: Lyn Boothman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 August 2012 12:44 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Suffolk CRANE Family Hi John There's plenty of info about the Cranes of Chilton from the 15th cent to the early 17th century in the Visitation of Suffolk 1561 (which is actually updated to include later info). I downloaded it from somewhere, either via Google or internet archive, can't remember which ... 23 pages or so of genealogical info, wills etc. re the family. They married into the Clopton family at Kentwell in Melford at least once, possibly more, and had family links to Blickling in Norfolk as well. Can't see any references to the Americas, at a quick glance, but the publication date was probably sometime in that period ... Lyn B -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Barbrook Sent: 11 August 2012 22:44 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFK-UK] Suffolk CRANE Family Hi Listers I am currently researching the CRANE family who - 500 years after the Norman Conquest when they came to England were found mostly settled in Suffolk, with one group living at Crane Hall in Ipswich. Crane Hall - still standing - is listed as a late 16th century timber framed house which was encased in brick in the 19th century and can be seen in a very useful site at http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/Details/Default.aspx?id=428036 <http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/Details/Default.aspx?id=428036&mode=quick > &mode=quick It is believed that Crane family members lived at the Hall up to the time when some (or all) of them - fiercely Protestant - left England for America for a 'new life' in Massachusetts. This emigration is reputed to have been at the same time - if not with - John Winthrop (of Groton, Suffolk) went to New England and established new settlements - eventually becoming the first governor of that State. I am trying to discover what members of the Crane family lived at Crane Hall; when they departed for the New World; and whether they left anyone behind in doing so. Does anyone have any clues as to where this sort of information could be found please? Thanks John - Sunny Suffolk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Eddie I have sent a message offline with one possible avenue to pursue and I was about to carry out some research on the lines of Philip's response. Michael was born in 1948 and from the GRO index you will find that his mother's maiden name was Crosby. There was only one other male born in the same period who had a mother with the same maiden name, which was a Peter S Towler born 1945. I have not found a death for a Peter S Towler. It would appear from a Google search that there was a Peter S Towler who is of about the right age living in Newton Aycliffe, County Durham so that could be your man. As this topic is not relative to Suffolk, I suggest that any further information should be sent off list. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Philip Maddocks Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Assistance in finding an English Family freebmd gives likely birth and mothers surname also likely siblings using the mother's surname but beyond spending money on 192.com, tracking living relatives will be difficult Philip Maddocks <snip> >> This leaves just one soldier from my unit who has no known Next Of >> Kin. This soldier is an English man, from Darlington, County >> Durham, England. >> >> He is Michael "Pommy" TOWLER. His Service number is: 2792254 >> >> Michael Towler was called up as a National Serviceman under the >> Australian National Service Act which was in vogue during the period >> about 1965 to 1972. He was conscripted in other words, into the >> Australian Army. There were lots of us. >> >> Michael Towler was 'killed in action' on the 12 June 1971. >> >> There is an army 'mug shot' of him at the web page url below, (page >> is arranged in alphabetical order by surname: >> >> http://www.hq1atf.org/honour3.htm >> >> I am asking for assistance and positive feedback on how I can locate >> a brother, (whom I am lead to believe was alive in about 1986 - >> 1988), who may still live in County Durham. I do not have any given >> names at this stage; only the surname of TOWLER. <snip

Hi again Eddie ! Don't tell my kids, but I can move quite quickly sometimes !! The only suggestion that I can think of quickly is to try looking on Cyndi's List at http://www.CyndisList.com/uk/eng and then specify "Durham" in all the right places:- "county" / "Libraries & Archives" / "Mailing Lists & Newsgroups" / "Obituaries" / Message Boards" / etc. / etc. ! You could also try the 1901 and 1911 Censuses and try to look for any clusters of TOWLERs - but this would probably be very difficult ?? I hope that this helps ! Good Hunting ! Roger. ---------------------- On 23 Aug 2012, at 16:21, Eddie Tricker wrote: > Struth Roger, that was quick. > What about ACTIVE genealogical email chat sites - Durham county or > community type newspapers in County Durham that would publish "free" > stories and adverts about "Looking for the family of ..." sort of > thing? > Any suggestions? > Thanks for your thoughts > > regards eddie t > > > At 12:48 AM 24/08/2012, you wrote: >> G'day Eddie ! >> >> I had hoped that the marvellous "Commonwealth War Graves Commission" >> website might be able to help you in this matter, but it only covers >> WW1 and WW2, not even the Korean War as far as I can see, so >> certainly >> nothing at all for the Vietnam War - probably because no U.K. >> Forces were >> involved ? >> >> Sorry ! Best Wishes ! Roger. >> ----------------------- >> On 23 Aug 2012, at 15:27, Eddie Tricker wrote: >> >>> G'day All >>> I have an unusual request for help from all of you folks over there >>> in England. >>> The Australian and American Governments through their various >>> agencies are planning on building a Vietnam Veterans Education >>> Centre >>> in Washington DC. This Centre will be situated near the now famous >>> "Wall" monument. >>> >>> One of the features of this Centre for the Australian section >>> will be >>> a "wall of faces". A wall of photographs of all the Australians who >>> lost their lives during the war in South Vietnam. >>> >>> To do this the Australian Department of Veteran's Affairs, (DVA), >>> Office of Australian War Graves, (OAWG), section has approached Next >>> Of Kin (NOK) of these dead soldiers for family photos and family >>> information. >>> >>> Unfortunately the known NOK are very few, and DVA, OAWG have >>> circulated a list of names of the soldiers without known NOK, to the >>> Veteran Community asking for our assistance in tracking down these >>> unknown NOK. >>> >>> Of the eight soldiers who died from my unit in South Vietnam, two >>> had >>> known NOK; another four I have been able to supply the names of NOK >>> immediately; leaving only two without. >>> >>> Of these two remaining soldiers without NOK, today I found a younger >>> brother of one, albeit an old man today. >>> >>> This leaves just one soldier from my unit who has no known Next Of >>> Kin. This soldier is an English man, from Darlington, County >>> Durham, England. >>> >>> He is Michael "Pommy" TOWLER. His Service number is: 2792254 >>> >>> Michael Towler was called up as a National Serviceman under the >>> Australian National Service Act which was in vogue during the period >>> about 1965 to 1972. He was conscripted in other words, into the >>> Australian Army. There were lots of us. >>> >>> Michael Towler was 'killed in action' on the 12 June 1971. >>> >>> There is an army 'mug shot' of him at the web page url below, (page >>> is arranged in alphabetical order by surname: >>> >>> http://www.hq1atf.org/honour3.htm >>> >>> I am asking for assistance and positive feedback on how I can locate >>> a brother, (whom I am lead to believe was alive in about 1986 - >>> 1988), who may still live in County Durham. I do not have any given >>> names at this stage; only the surname of TOWLER. >>> >>> But as genealogical detectives, lots of us with many good years of >>> experience, I had thought that one of you would be able to point me >>> down a long narrow path that has a light at the end of it, that >>> isn't >>> a train comming to meet with me!!. >>> >>> thanks in anticipation >>> regards >>> eddie tricker >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK- >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message

freebmd gives likely birth and mothers surname also likely siblings using the mother's surname but beyond spending money on 192.com, tracking living relatives will be difficult Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Partridge" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Eddie Tricker" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Assistance in finding an English Family > G'day Eddie ! > > I had hoped that the marvellous "Commonwealth War Graves Commission" > website might be able to help you in this matter, but it only covers > WW1 and > WW2, not even the Korean War as far as I can see, so certainly > nothing at > all for the Vietnam War - probably because no U.K. Forces were > involved ? > > Sorry ! Best Wishes ! Roger. > ----------------------- > On 23 Aug 2012, at 15:27, Eddie Tricker wrote: > >> G'day All >> I have an unusual request for help from all of you folks over there >> in England. >> The Australian and American Governments through their various >> agencies are planning on building a Vietnam Veterans Education Centre >> in Washington DC. This Centre will be situated near the now famous >> "Wall" monument. >> >> One of the features of this Centre for the Australian section will be >> a "wall of faces". A wall of photographs of all the Australians who >> lost their lives during the war in South Vietnam. >> >> To do this the Australian Department of Veteran's Affairs, (DVA), >> Office of Australian War Graves, (OAWG), section has approached Next >> Of Kin (NOK) of these dead soldiers for family photos and family >> information. >> >> Unfortunately the known NOK are very few, and DVA, OAWG have >> circulated a list of names of the soldiers without known NOK, to the >> Veteran Community asking for our assistance in tracking down these >> unknown NOK. >> >> Of the eight soldiers who died from my unit in South Vietnam, two had >> known NOK; another four I have been able to supply the names of NOK >> immediately; leaving only two without. >> >> Of these two remaining soldiers without NOK, today I found a younger >> brother of one, albeit an old man today. >> >> This leaves just one soldier from my unit who has no known Next Of >> Kin. This soldier is an English man, from Darlington, County >> Durham, England. >> >> He is Michael "Pommy" TOWLER. His Service number is: 2792254 >> >> Michael Towler was called up as a National Serviceman under the >> Australian National Service Act which was in vogue during the period >> about 1965 to 1972. He was conscripted in other words, into the >> Australian Army. There were lots of us. >> >> Michael Towler was 'killed in action' on the 12 June 1971. >> >> There is an army 'mug shot' of him at the web page url below, (page >> is arranged in alphabetical order by surname: >> >> http://www.hq1atf.org/honour3.htm >> >> I am asking for assistance and positive feedback on how I can locate >> a brother, (whom I am lead to believe was alive in about 1986 - >> 1988), who may still live in County Durham. I do not have any given >> names at this stage; only the surname of TOWLER. >> >> But as genealogical detectives, lots of us with many good years of >> experience, I had thought that one of you would be able to point me >> down a long narrow path that has a light at the end of it, that isn't >> a train comming to meet with me!!. >> >> thanks in anticipation >> regards >> eddie tricker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

G'day Eddie ! I had hoped that the marvellous "Commonwealth War Graves Commission" website might be able to help you in this matter, but it only covers WW1 and WW2, not even the Korean War as far as I can see, so certainly nothing at all for the Vietnam War - probably because no U.K. Forces were involved ? Sorry ! Best Wishes ! Roger. ----------------------- On 23 Aug 2012, at 15:27, Eddie Tricker wrote: > G'day All > I have an unusual request for help from all of you folks over there > in England. > The Australian and American Governments through their various > agencies are planning on building a Vietnam Veterans Education Centre > in Washington DC. This Centre will be situated near the now famous > "Wall" monument. > > One of the features of this Centre for the Australian section will be > a "wall of faces". A wall of photographs of all the Australians who > lost their lives during the war in South Vietnam. > > To do this the Australian Department of Veteran's Affairs, (DVA), > Office of Australian War Graves, (OAWG), section has approached Next > Of Kin (NOK) of these dead soldiers for family photos and family > information. > > Unfortunately the known NOK are very few, and DVA, OAWG have > circulated a list of names of the soldiers without known NOK, to the > Veteran Community asking for our assistance in tracking down these > unknown NOK. > > Of the eight soldiers who died from my unit in South Vietnam, two had > known NOK; another four I have been able to supply the names of NOK > immediately; leaving only two without. > > Of these two remaining soldiers without NOK, today I found a younger > brother of one, albeit an old man today. > > This leaves just one soldier from my unit who has no known Next Of > Kin. This soldier is an English man, from Darlington, County > Durham, England. > > He is Michael "Pommy" TOWLER. His Service number is: 2792254 > > Michael Towler was called up as a National Serviceman under the > Australian National Service Act which was in vogue during the period > about 1965 to 1972. He was conscripted in other words, into the > Australian Army. There were lots of us. > > Michael Towler was 'killed in action' on the 12 June 1971. > > There is an army 'mug shot' of him at the web page url below, (page > is arranged in alphabetical order by surname: > > http://www.hq1atf.org/honour3.htm > > I am asking for assistance and positive feedback on how I can locate > a brother, (whom I am lead to believe was alive in about 1986 - > 1988), who may still live in County Durham. I do not have any given > names at this stage; only the surname of TOWLER. > > But as genealogical detectives, lots of us with many good years of > experience, I had thought that one of you would be able to point me > down a long narrow path that has a light at the end of it, that isn't > a train comming to meet with me!!. > > thanks in anticipation > regards > eddie tricker > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUFFOLK- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat (& Listers !) Thanks for confirming this ! I hope that it all helps Roy's research. It's good to hear from you again ! I hope that you and your husband are now comfortably settled back in Fram ! Best Wishes ! Roger. ---------------------- On 23 Aug 2012, at 13:04, Patricia Bridges wrote: > Roger, the baker's shop on the Market Place is indeed still > Sparling and Faiers :-) > > Pat ... > (now living across the county but retaining her brilliant dentist > in Lavenham) > > -------------------- > Original Message -From: "Roger Partridge" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Lavenham ancestors of Ruth Rendell > > >> Hi Roy, Ingrid & Listers ! >> >> Lavenham is one of my favourite places, and the name FAIERS rang a >> bell, so I have just checked my photos, and found that there was a >> baker's shop named "Sparling & Faiers" in the Market Place there in >> early August 2007: it may still be there, although that does not mean >> that there is still a partner of that name in the business ? >> >> I hope that this helps ! >> >> Best Wishes ! Roger. >> ---------------------- >

Eddie: >From FreeBMD it appears that this is his birth and his mother's maiden name would be Crosby Births Dec 1948 Towler Michael Crosby Darlington 1a 341 His brother would be Births Sep 1945 Towler Peter S Crosby Darlington 10a 15 And there is no death listing for him in the GRO indexes up to 2006 www.192.com lists a number of Towler's in Co Durham but no Peter or P Towler Perhaps one of them may know of Peter or Michael. Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eddie Tricker Sent: August 23, 2012 10:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SFK-UK] Assistance in finding an English Family G'day All I have an unusual request for help from all of you folks over there in England. The Australian and American Governments through their various agencies are planning on building a Vietnam Veterans Education Centre in Washington DC. This Centre will be situated near the now famous "Wall" monument. One of the features of this Centre for the Australian section will be a "wall of faces". A wall of photographs of all the Australians who lost their lives during the war in South Vietnam. To do this the Australian Department of Veteran's Affairs, (DVA), Office of Australian War Graves, (OAWG), section has approached Next Of Kin (NOK) of these dead soldiers for family photos and family information. Unfortunately the known NOK are very few, and DVA, OAWG have circulated a list of names of the soldiers without known NOK, to the Veteran Community asking for our assistance in tracking down these unknown NOK. Of the eight soldiers who died from my unit in South Vietnam, two had known NOK; another four I have been able to supply the names of NOK immediately; leaving only two without. Of these two remaining soldiers without NOK, today I found a younger brother of one, albeit an old man today. This leaves just one soldier from my unit who has no known Next Of Kin. This soldier is an English man, from Darlington, County Durham, England. He is Michael "Pommy" TOWLER. His Service number is: 2792254 Michael Towler was called up as a National Serviceman under the Australian National Service Act which was in vogue during the period about 1965 to 1972. He was conscripted in other words, into the Australian Army. There were lots of us. Michael Towler was 'killed in action' on the 12 June 1971. There is an army 'mug shot' of him at the web page url below, (page is arranged in alphabetical order by surname: http://www.hq1atf.org/honour3.htm I am asking for assistance and positive feedback on how I can locate a brother, (whom I am lead to believe was alive in about 1986 - 1988), who may still live in County Durham. I do not have any given names at this stage; only the surname of TOWLER. But as genealogical detectives, lots of us with many good years of experience, I had thought that one of you would be able to point me down a long narrow path that has a light at the end of it, that isn't a train comming to meet with me!!. thanks in anticipation regards eddie tricker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roger, the baker's shop on the Market Place is indeed still Sparling and Faiers :-) Pat ... (now living across the county but retaining her brilliant dentist in Lavenham) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Partridge" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Lavenham ancestors of Ruth Rendell > Hi Roy, Ingrid & Listers ! > > Lavenham is one of my favourite places, and the name FAIERS rang a > bell, so > I have just checked my photos, and found that there was a baker's > shop named > "Sparling & Faiers" in the Market Place there in early August 2007; > it may still be > there, although that does not mean that there is still a partner of > that name in the > business ? > > I hope that this helps ! > > Best Wishes ! Roger. > ----------------------

Hello to the Copping researcher. I am/was a distant cousin of Roy Copping, and I live in Leigh on Sea. I have inherited a number of files of various Names who had a Copping connection, not referred to villages or Counties, mainly Surname links If you can let me know of another surname connection of the Walpole Betsy Copping I will see if there is any name link rather than a Parish at this stage. Hope this helps. If you would contact me direct I will see if there is any connection with the names I have. My e-mail is the [email protected], Terry Tidman . -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 20 August 2012 08:01 To: [email protected] Subject: SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 177 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 (K Finch) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 09:21:37 +0100 From: "K Finch" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The name is registered with the Guiild of One-name studies [email protected] Ken -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cliff Jones" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:32 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SFK-UK] Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 > Hi all > > Does anyone have access to the PRs for Walpole re a baptism of Betsey > Coppin/Copping in August 1821 please? > > Thanks > > Cliff > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the SUFFOLK list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the SUFFOLK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 177 *************************************** -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 25762 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

Hello Loraine, ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:16 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Aldous Family - Fressingfield > I am trying to locate family (9-10-11 greatgrandparents) who are supposed > to be buried in one of the church cemeteries in Fressingfield. > Thomas Aldous spouse Frances Mychell Aldous, Robert & Elizabeth Aldous, > Francis and Sarah Gooch Aldous. All in the mid to late 1500's. > Even a church name that I could contact for information would be great. The Aldous family have been extensively researched by the late Douglas Aldous of Weybread, and the folks that you are looking for are recorded in his research which is now held by the Ipswich branch of the Suffolk Record Office (ref HD2295:12932) There is a partial transcript of Douglas' information on Robert & Elizabeth at http://www.aldous.net/family_tree/grpf0630.htm and Thomas and Frances Mychell at http://www.aldous.net/family_tree/grpf0637.htm These two are on page 1 of Douglas' family trees. Douglas records Robert as being born c.1479 and being buried on 20 January 1559/60 at Fressingfield and Elizabeth as being buried on 11th February 1575/76 at Fressingfield. Both left wills, Robert's dated 4th April 1558 and proved 13th December 1560, whilst Elizabeth's was dated 4th April 1566 and proved 11th April 1576. Robert was the father of Thomas (c.1528-1601). Douglas recorded Thomas as being buried at Fressingfield on 5th September 1601. Thomas's wife is recorded as being Frances, widow of John Mychell, and the marriage as being 9th September 1555. Frances is recorded by Douglas as being buried at Fressingfield on 18th October 1601. Robert was also the father of William c.1525-1583, who Douglas recorded as being my 10xGt grandfather. To see Thomas and Frances' children you have to see page 48 of Douglas' family trees. I do not have a copy of page 48, but from my notes I have Francis their son as being christened in 11th April 1560 and dying around 1625, and his wife as being Sarah Gooch. Fressingfield's parish records are also held by Suffolk Record Office, but it is unlikely that anything survives from before Henry VIII and Thomas Cromwell. I think Douglas used wills and manorial records before this. Douglas also made a number of referencs to the Fressingfield Subsidy Roll of 1524. There is some info on Fressingfield church at http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/fressingfield.htm and about the village on the Aldous.net website at http://www.aldous.net/fressingfield.htm Hope this helps Regards Peter

Hi Lyn Thanks for your kind offer. The only promising baptism of the correct age was in 1734 Bury St Edmund's. I am hoping his second marriage might have happen in that area. If I can't find a marriage for the 1834 baptised Richard Gager to someone else or a burial he could well be the same person as my Richard Gager who ended up in Norfolk. If he was born in Bury St Edmund's I do believe that family goes back to Long Melford records in earlier generations. Karen > I have found a burial of a Richard GAGER in Bury in 1768 in July which if > this is the father of my Richard [maybe the baptised child of 1734] it > would explain where he may have married. After Richard in King Lynn's first > wife died he may have moved back to family to have someone to care for his > son or to help his father if he was ill/aging. > I am wondering if Richard married his second wife [Susanna] in the Bury St Edmund's > area as I have not been able to find anything in Norfolk. > > Any information on the family in Bury St Edmund's that might prove or > disprove this theory is welcome.