Done. PSW -----Original Message----- From: Brian Stockey [mailto:brianstockey@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 21:34 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Unsubscribe Please remove my details *brianstockey@gmail.com <brianstockey@gmail.com>* from your mailing list as I am recieving other peoples details daily. Thank you _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/suffolk Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Nivard, Some of my responses to earlier replies are not showing up on this Suffolk List. I think Glen has similar problems with some of his posts. Subscribing to Ancestry primarily to access resources rather than others researchers trees. Although i would look at others trees I have learnt to independantly prove any research. I have put my tree up before and had it copied and changed by inexperienced users. I've been on Rootsweb from early days. My main research is N E Scotland - Moray and Aberdeen boards. You might recall the recent discussion about DNA research on the Lincs board. Some are soo sure it has nothing to do with family history and genealogy it astounds me. I admin the Jamieson surname and the dual (male & female) geographic project for Aberdeen & N E Scotland. I also co-admin the Clan Napier project. All time consuming tasks so my own research suffers. Like you, and many others on here, I take pleasure in helping folk. I tried to convince the Lincs list DNA is simply another resource. Same as, for example, census records only it has less errors. I can offer some success stories if anyone is interested. Sorry folks, got the wrong hat on. Ok, back to wearing the genealogy one. George Lets hope this gets through. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Date: 18/07/2018 22:28 (GMT+00:00) To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Clara HOWE of Sheffield Hi George Not sure what responses you are not seeing? Do you mean list posts ? Or responses from elsewhere (Ancestry?) When you say you are thinking of subscribing to Ancestry, for what primary purpose? To check records or collaborate with other tree owners? This thread shows the benefit of using Rootsweb lists, where through joint input it seems you are now on the right road I would suggest researching the line fully before collaborating with others in Ancestry or other online trees, or you may end up on the wrong path again By the way, you can access Ancestry and most if not all libraries in England & Wales, many also have Findmypast, the LDS FHS also have free access to both if you have one near enough Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/07/2018 23:38, George Jamieson wrote: > Glen, > > I also have responses that are not appearing. > > Beginning to think I might have to give in and take a subscription with Ancestry. Is that the best option ? > > George _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/suffolk Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi George Not sure what responses you are not seeing? Do you mean list posts ? Or responses from elsewhere (Ancestry?) When you say you are thinking of subscribing to Ancestry, for what primary purpose? To check records or collaborate with other tree owners? This thread shows the benefit of using Rootsweb lists, where through joint input it seems you are now on the right road I would suggest researching the line fully before collaborating with others in Ancestry or other online trees, or you may end up on the wrong path again By the way, you can access Ancestry and most if not all libraries in England & Wales, many also have Findmypast, the LDS FHS also have free access to both if you have one near enough Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/07/2018 23:38, George Jamieson wrote: > Glen, > > I also have responses that are not appearing. > > Beginning to think I might have to give in and take a subscription with Ancestry. Is that the best option ? > > George

A couple of posts have not appeared on the list ??? George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

Please remove my details *brianstockey@gmail.com <brianstockey@gmail.com>* from your mailing list as I am recieving other peoples details daily. Thank you

Glen, I also have responses that are not appearing. Beginning to think I might have to give in and take a subscription with Ancestry. Is that the best option ? George From: GLEN HICKSON [mailto:glen.hickson@btinternet.com] Sent: 17 July 2018 22:37 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Cc: George Jamieson Subject: Clara HOWE of Sheffield Clara HOWE married Joe WARD in Sheffield in 1897 & the 1901 shows her as 22. Joe is 29 in 1901 so the most likely death for him is Lincoln reg. Sep 1926 aged 55, leaving Clara free to be living with Harry JAMIESON in 1939. In 1911 Joe & Clara have 2 sons Joe & Isaac (the Ike you are looking for?) Glen.

Clara HOWE married Joe WARD in Sheffield in 1897 & the 1901 shows her as 22. Joe is 29 in 1901 so the most likely death for him is Lincoln reg. Sep 1926 aged 55, leaving Clara free to be living with Harry JAMIESON in 1939. In 1911 Joe & Clara have 2 sons Joe & Isaac (the Ike you are looking for?) Glen.

Hi George, I don't think you are connected to Clara Jane. I think your connection is the Sheffield Clara. See the post at the bottom. | Births Dec 1878   (>99%) | | HOWE |  Clara |   |  Sheffield |  9c | 413 | | | HOWE |  Clara Jane |   |  Ipswich |  4a | 683 | Clara was the daughter of John HOWE & Clara DEARMAN who married in 1870. On the census John was a drayman from Derbyshire. Glen. From: George Jamieson <georgejamieson@btconnect.com> To: 'GLEN HICKSON' <glen.hickson@btinternet.com>; "suffolk@rootsweb.com" <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 20:19 Subject: RE: [SFK-UK] Re: Clara Jane HOWE - Part Deux Hi Glen, Just home. So what do you make of the m. cert for Clara Howe and my grdfather. 17 Jun 1944 in registry office Welton, Lincs. Henry George Davidson Jamieson, aged 64, widower, Engineers fitter, Station Road, Bardney. Father John Jamieson (decd) Gen Lab. Clara Ward, 65, Widow, Station Road, Bardney. Fthr John Howe (decd) Carter. Wits. J Todd and O (seems to have a tail so could be a Q) Dickenson. This modern green cert. contains scanned copy of what I am assuming is original reg. entry and was supplied by GRO. I know this George is my grdfather. A late aunt of mine, living in locally to Bardney, knew him and sent me some old photos of him and Clara together with 2 of my uncles. So assuming this is my George how do we prove mine is this Suffolk Clara ? Does the census with John Howe and Clara Thacker not support Suffolk Clara ? George -----Original Message----- From: GLEN HICKSON via SUFFOLK [mailto:suffolk@rootsweb.com] Sent: 17 July 2018 14:51 To: Patricia Jones; suffolk@rootsweb.com Cc: GLEN HICKSON Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Clara Jane HOWE - Part Deux I know, I was trying to point out that the Clara Jane in Suffolk & the Clara in Lincolnshire are 2 different people. So I think the Suffolk Clara is a red herring. Glen.       From: Patricia Jones <ag_jones@sympatico.ca> To: GLEN HICKSON <glen.hickson@btinternet.com>; suffolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 13:48 Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Clara Jane HOWE - Part Deux   Clara was listed on 1939 census as Clara Thacker living and working in Ipswich Sent from my iPad > On Jul 17, 2018, at 7:35 AM, GLEN HICKSON via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi George, > A little further investigation shows a Clara HOWE marrying Joe WARD in Sheffield in 1897 & the 1901 shows her as 22. > Joe is 29 in 1901 so the most likely death for him is Lincoln reg. Sep 1926 aged 55, leaving Clara free to be living with Harry JAMIESON in 1939. > Who is your father and what names are on his birth cert.? > Glen. > >

Hi Glen, Just home. So what do you make of the m. cert for Clara Howe and my grdfather. 17 Jun 1944 in registry office Welton, Lincs. Henry George Davidson Jamieson, aged 64, widower, Engineers fitter, Station Road, Bardney. Father John Jamieson (decd) Gen Lab. Clara Ward, 65, Widow, Station Road, Bardney. Fthr John Howe (decd) Carter. Wits. J Todd and O (seems to have a tail so could be a Q) Dickenson. This modern green cert. contains scanned copy of what I am assuming is original reg. entry and was supplied by GRO. I know this George is my grdfather. A late aunt of mine, living in locally to Bardney, knew him and sent me some old photos of him and Clara together with 2 of my uncles. So assuming this is my George how do we prove mine is this Suffolk Clara ? Does the census with John Howe and Clara Thacker not support Suffolk Clara ? George -----Original Message----- From: GLEN HICKSON via SUFFOLK [mailto:suffolk@rootsweb.com] Sent: 17 July 2018 14:51 To: Patricia Jones; suffolk@rootsweb.com Cc: GLEN HICKSON Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Clara Jane HOWE - Part Deux I know, I was trying to point out that the Clara Jane in Suffolk & the Clara in Lincolnshire are 2 different people. So I think the Suffolk Clara is a red herring. Glen. From: Patricia Jones <ag_jones@sympatico.ca> To: GLEN HICKSON <glen.hickson@btinternet.com>; suffolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 13:48 Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Clara Jane HOWE - Part Deux Clara was listed on 1939 census as Clara Thacker living and working in Ipswich Sent from my iPad > On Jul 17, 2018, at 7:35 AM, GLEN HICKSON via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi George, > A little further investigation shows a Clara HOWE marrying Joe WARD in Sheffield in 1897 & the 1901 shows her as 22. > Joe is 29 in 1901 so the most likely death for him is Lincoln reg. Sep 1926 aged 55, leaving Clara free to be living with Harry JAMIESON in 1939. > Who is your father and what names are on his birth cert.? > Glen. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/suffolk > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/suffolk Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

For some reason my first post (this one) didn't reach the list. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: GLEN HICKSON <glen.hickson@btinternet.com> To: "suffolk@rootsweb.com" <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 11:34 Subject: Clara J HOWE Hi, I can't figure out the detail but I think we are talking about 2 Claras here. The details given by Nivard I believe are for the Clara Jane born in Ipswich You say her first marriage was to an Alexander George F THACKER in 1911 But she actually married him in 1898 Marriages Sep 1898 HOWE    Clara Jane        Ipswich    4a    1549    THACKER    Alexander          Ipswich    4a    1549    Followed by the birth of their first child THACKER, ROSINA  ALEXANDRA      HOWE      Order GRO Reference: 1899  D Quarter in IPSWICH  Volume 04A  Page 937 And sadly her death Deaths Mar 1900 Thacker    Rosina Alexandria    0    Ipswich    4a    670    2nd child THACKER, ALBERT  EDWARD      HOWE      Order GRO Reference: 1905  J Quarter in MEDWAY  Volume 02A  Page 738     Order Who is with his mother in 1911 with her parents 3rd child THACKER, MARGARET  VIOLET      HOWE      Order GRO Reference: 1906  S Quarter in MEDWAY  Volume 02A  Page 814     Order Also with mother in 1911 (as Voilet THACKER) 4th child THACKER, MINNIE  FLORENCE      HOWE          Order GRO Reference: 1908  S Quarter in IPSWICH  Volume 04A  Page 1025 Who also sadly died Deaths Jun 1910 Thacker    Minnie Florence    1    Ipswich    4a    451 In the 1911 census Clara THACKER is enumerated as married 12 years, 4 children to the marriae, 2 still alive in 1911 Also very helpfully someone has filled in the schedule (most likely John HOWE who also signed it) with her husbands details which were then crossed out as he was at sea Alexander THACKER son in law married 12 years Stoker Royal Navy born All Saints Parish (previous census shows he was born in Ipswich) In the 1911 household at 1 Coes Cottages Bramford lane Ipswich John HOWE head 52 mar painter house - house decorator Thorpe Morieax Rosina HOWE wife 53 married 33 years 4 children 4 alive in 1911 laundress Stoke parish George HOWE son 12 single school All Saints parish Clara THACKER dau 32 mar 12 yrs 4 children 2 alive in 1911 husband at sea St Peters parish Eddie THACKER son 6        Gillingham Kent Voilet THACKER dau 4        Gillingham Kent then the crossed out Alexander THACKER Another child born 1915 registered march qtr of 1916 Births Mar 1916 Thacker    Frederick J    Howe    Ipswich    4a    2804 There were two more THACKER HOWE births registered but there was another marriage for a couple of those surnames so suspect they are not connected to yours There is a likely death registration for Alexander in 1937 Name:     Alexander F Thacker Death Age:     62 Birth Date:     abt 1875 Registration Date:     Sep 1937 Registration district:     Ipswich Inferred County:     Suffolk Volume:     4a Page:     921 Moving forward to the 1939 National Identity Register at 375 Bramford rd, Ipswich Clara J THACKER female born 12th Nov 1878 a widow unpaid domestic duties Frederick J THACKER male born 14th Dec 1915 single Labourer (metal mill) Curiously there is a death registration for a Clara J THACKER in 1944  reg Ipswich ? Deaths Sep 1944 Thacker    Clara J    65    Ipswich    4a    988 The 1939 National Identity Register shows living at Station Road, Welton R.D. a Clara WOOD (crossed through so could easily be WARD) Widow with JAMIESON added, born 8/9/1878and a Harry JAMIESONThis I believe is the couple who married in Welton and her death below Deaths Mar 1963 JAMIESON CLARA 84 WELTON 3B 616 The father's name being HOWE is just a coincidence. Clara Jane in Suffolk is referred to as Clara J whilst the Lincs one is plain Clara. Glen.

I know, I was trying to point out that the Clara Jane in Suffolk & the Clara in Lincolnshire are 2 different people. So I think the Suffolk Clara is a red herring. Glen. From: Patricia Jones <ag_jones@sympatico.ca> To: GLEN HICKSON <glen.hickson@btinternet.com>; suffolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018, 13:48 Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Clara Jane HOWE - Part Deux Clara was listed on 1939 census as Clara Thacker living and working in Ipswich Sent from my iPad > On Jul 17, 2018, at 7:35 AM, GLEN HICKSON via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi George, > A little further investigation shows a Clara HOWE marrying Joe WARD in Sheffield in 1897 & the 1901 shows her as 22. > Joe is 29 in 1901 so the most likely death for him is Lincoln reg. Sep 1926 aged 55, leaving Clara free to be living with Harry JAMIESON in 1939. > Who is your father and what names are on his birth cert.? > Glen. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/suffolk > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Clara was listed on 1939 census as Clara Thacker living and working in Ipswich Sent from my iPad > On Jul 17, 2018, at 7:35 AM, GLEN HICKSON via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi George, > A little further investigation shows a Clara HOWE marrying Joe WARD in Sheffield in 1897 & the 1901 shows her as 22. > Joe is 29 in 1901 so the most likely death for him is Lincoln reg. Sep 1926 aged 55, leaving Clara free to be living with Harry JAMIESON in 1939. > Who is your father and what names are on his birth cert.? > Glen. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/suffolk > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Glen, SHEFFIELD ! My father, George b 1903 Aberdeen. His father was illegitimate named on cert as George Jamieson Davidson. Mary Davidson his mother subsequently m. John Jamieson so names reversed. He became George Davidson Jamieson(GDJ). After GDJ m. Marg. W Cobban in Aberdeen they moved down to Isle of Sheppey, Kent. Then moved to Southwold Suffolk, then Cuffley, Herts. When Marg. d. GDJ moved to Bardney before m. Clara. GDJ worked for MacAlpines. All these locations were where railways were being constructed. He was employed on the Southwold line. The rail line in Bardney was to serve the yet to be completed construction of the sugar beet factory. When it was finished GDJ became maintenance engineer in the factory. The paternal side is well researched. I need to piece together all today's posting. Working on this smartphone make it very difficult. Thanks for these details. They may well be a major piece in the puzzle. George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: GLEN HICKSON via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Date: 17/07/2018 12:35 (GMT+00:00) To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Cc: GLEN HICKSON <glen.hickson@btinternet.com> Subject: [SFK-UK] Clara Jane HOWE - Part Deux Hi George, A little further investigation shows a Clara HOWE marrying Joe WARD in Sheffield in 1897 & the 1901 shows her as 22. Joe is 29 in 1901 so the most likely death for him is Lincoln reg. Sep 1926 aged 55, leaving Clara free to be living with Harry JAMIESON in 1939. Who is your father and what names are on his birth cert.? Glen. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/suffolk Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi George, A little further investigation shows a Clara HOWE marrying Joe WARD in Sheffield in 1897 & the 1901 shows her as 22. Joe is 29 in 1901 so the most likely death for him is Lincoln reg. Sep 1926 aged 55, leaving Clara free to be living with Harry JAMIESON in 1939. Who is your father and what names are on his birth cert.? Glen.

Hi Nivard, You've given me so much I need to read through it slowly and not on this phone. Thanks for pointing out the date issue. Dont believe I fell foul of that basic error. I will respond more fully this evening but here I can confirm one piece of information - 17 Jun 1944 in registry office Welton, Lincs. Henry George Davidson Jamieson, aged 64, widower, Engineers fitter, Station Road, Bardney. Father John Jamieson (decd) Gen Lab. Clara Ward, 65, Widow, Station Road, Bardney. Fthr John Howe (decd) Carter. Wits. J Todd and O (seems to have a tail so could be a Q) Dickenson. This modern green cert. contains scanned copy of what I am assuming is original reg. entry and was supplied by GRO. Thanks again. I'll add to this later. George in Hertfordshire. ps I've spent years lurking on the Lincs list so recognised your name instantly. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Date: 17/07/2018 10:01 (GMT+00:00) To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Clara J Howe b1879 Ipswiih Hi George On the basis that you have the right Clara marrying Henry/George JAMIESON in 1944 registered in Welton (which seems likely given the fathers name of HOWE) I assume you have a marriage certificate as a copy from the GRO ? If so I would be inclined to check with the holders of the registers for Welton or better still the parish register if a church marriage The GRO being a transcript is prone to error, might there have been a clerical error between the local office and the GRO ? Your data as first posted, is a little wayward if you don't mind me saying You say her first marriage was to an Alexander George F THACKER in 1911 But she actually married him in 1898 Marriages Sep 1898 HOWE Clara Jane Ipswich 4a 1549 THACKER Alexander Ipswich 4a 1549 Followed by the birth of their first child THACKER, ROSINA ALEXANDRA HOWE Order GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 937 And sadly her death Deaths Mar 1900 Thacker Rosina Alexandria 0 Ipswich 4a 670 2nd child THACKER, ALBERT EDWARD HOWE Order GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 738 Order Who is with his mother in 1911 with her parents 3rd child THACKER, MARGARET VIOLET HOWE Order GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 814 Order Also with mother in 1911 (as Voilet THACKER) 4th child THACKER, MINNIE FLORENCE HOWE Order GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 1025 Who also sadly died Deaths Jun 1910 Thacker Minnie Florence 1 Ipswich 4a 451 In the 1911 census Clara THACKER is enumerated as married 12 years, 4 children to the marriae, 2 still alive in 1911 Also very helpfully someone has filled in the schedule (most likely John HOWE who also signed it) with her husbands details which were then crossed out as he was at sea Alexander THACKER son in law married 12 years Stoker Royal Navy born All Saints Parish (previous census shows he was born in Ipswich) In the 1911 household at 1 Coes Cottages Bramford lane Ipswich John HOWE head 52 mar painter house - house decorator Thorpe Morieax Rosina HOWE wife 53 married 33 years 4 children 4 alive in 1911 laundress Stoke parish George HOWE son 12 single school All Saints parish Clara THACKER dau 32 mar 12 yrs 4 children 2 alive in 1911 husband at sea St Peters parish Eddie THACKER son 6 Gillingham Kent Voilet THACKER dau 4 Gillingham Kent then the crossed out Alexander THACKER Another child born 1915 registered march qtr of 1916 Births Mar 1916 Thacker Frederick J Howe Ipswich 4a 2804 There were two more THACKER HOWE births registered but there was another marriage for a couple of those surnames so suspect they are not connected to yours There is a likely death registration for Alexander in 1937 Name: Alexander F Thacker Death Age: 62 Birth Date: abt 1875 Registration Date: Sep 1937 Registration district: Ipswich Inferred County: Suffolk Volume: 4a Page: 921 Moving forward to the 1939 National Identity Register at 375 Bramford rd, Ipswich Clara J THACKER female born 12th Nov 1878 a widow unpaid domestic duties Frederick J THACKER male born 14th Dec 1915 single Labourer (metal mill) So Clara had one marriage to 1939 Then you have your marriage to Henry G D JAMIESON reg Welton June qtr 1944 Marriages Jun 1944 JAMIESON Henry G D Ward Welton 7a 1392 WARD Clara Jamieson Welton 7a 1392 I found no marriage between 1939 & 1944 for a Clara THACKER to a WARD (or HOWE to WARD just in case) Curiously there is a death registration for a Clara J THACKER in 1944 reg Ipswich ? Deaths Sep 1944 Thacker Clara J 65 Ipswich 4a 988 But later registered at Welton Deaths Mar 1963 JAMIESON CLARA 84 WELTON 3B 616 So my first port of call would be to check the 1944 marriage to see if WARD appears on that Margaret Violet THACKER appears to have married a Kenneth CRISSALL in 1938 reg Ipswich Marriages Sep 1938 Crissall Kenneth C Thacker Ipswich 4a 3685 Thacker Margaret V Crissall Ipswich 4a 3685 In 1939 at 52 Surbiton rd, Ipswich Kenneth C CRISSALL male born 27th Aug 1900 married Lorry driver (heavy worker) Margaret V CRISSALL fem born 1st Sep 1906 married unpaid domestic duties Also in the 1939 NIR at 60 Samuel rd, Ipswich Albert E THACKER male born 5th Mar 1905 married painter & decorator Florence E THACKER fem born 4th Jan 1906 married unpaid domestic duties Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/07/2018 21:19, George Jamieson wrote: > Hi all, > > My first post to this new list. Lets see if this second attempt at posting this query works. > > I have actually deleted all my previous research that became infested with erroneous information supposedly sourced but not adequately proven. > > So my search is for Clara Jane Howe b.1879 Ipswich. Parents are John Howe m. Rosanna ? according to 1881 census. > > Clara was married at least 2 or probably 3 times to – > > 1st - 1911 Alexander George F Thacker, Suffolk > > 2nd or probably 3rd - 1944 George D Jamieson, Welton, Lincs > > On this m. cert George D Jamieson (my Grdfather) is recorded as Henry George Davidson Jamieson, a widower. Clara has her name recorded as Ward and a widow. Father John Howe (deceased). So was Clara actually married a 3rd time to a Ward ? I do not think the Ward name was used to confuse/hide anything as the fathers name is recorded correctly as Howe. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > George _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/suffolk Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi, I can't figure out the detail but I think we are talking about 2 Claras here. The details given by Nivard I believe are for the Clara Jane born in Ipswich You say her first marriage was to an Alexander George F THACKER in 1911 But she actually married him in 1898 Marriages Sep 1898 HOWE    Clara Jane        Ipswich    4a    1549    THACKER    Alexander          Ipswich    4a    1549    Followed by the birth of their first child THACKER, ROSINA  ALEXANDRA      HOWE      Order GRO Reference: 1899  D Quarter in IPSWICH  Volume 04A  Page 937 And sadly her death Deaths Mar 1900 Thacker    Rosina Alexandria    0    Ipswich    4a    670    2nd child THACKER, ALBERT  EDWARD      HOWE      Order GRO Reference: 1905  J Quarter in MEDWAY  Volume 02A  Page 738     Order Who is with his mother in 1911 with her parents 3rd child THACKER, MARGARET  VIOLET      HOWE      Order GRO Reference: 1906  S Quarter in MEDWAY  Volume 02A  Page 814     Order Also with mother in 1911 (as Voilet THACKER) 4th child THACKER, MINNIE  FLORENCE      HOWE          Order GRO Reference: 1908  S Quarter in IPSWICH  Volume 04A  Page 1025 Who also sadly died Deaths Jun 1910 Thacker    Minnie Florence    1    Ipswich    4a    451 In the 1911 census Clara THACKER is enumerated as married 12 years, 4 children to the marriae, 2 still alive in 1911 Also very helpfully someone has filled in the schedule (most likely John HOWE who also signed it) with her husbands details which were then crossed out as he was at sea Alexander THACKER son in law married 12 years Stoker Royal Navy born All Saints Parish (previous census shows he was born in Ipswich) In the 1911 household at 1 Coes Cottages Bramford lane Ipswich John HOWE head 52 mar painter house - house decorator Thorpe Morieax Rosina HOWE wife 53 married 33 years 4 children 4 alive in 1911 laundress Stoke parish George HOWE son 12 single school All Saints parish Clara THACKER dau 32 mar 12 yrs 4 children 2 alive in 1911 husband at sea St Peters parish Eddie THACKER son 6        Gillingham Kent Voilet THACKER dau 4        Gillingham Kent then the crossed out Alexander THACKER Another child born 1915 registered march qtr of 1916 Births Mar 1916 Thacker    Frederick J    Howe    Ipswich    4a    2804 There were two more THACKER HOWE births registered but there was another marriage for a couple of those surnames so suspect they are not connected to yours There is a likely death registration for Alexander in 1937 Name:     Alexander F Thacker Death Age:     62 Birth Date:     abt 1875 Registration Date:     Sep 1937 Registration district:     Ipswich Inferred County:     Suffolk Volume:     4a Page:     921 Moving forward to the 1939 National Identity Register at 375 Bramford rd, Ipswich Clara J THACKER female born 12th Nov 1878 a widow unpaid domestic duties Frederick J THACKER male born 14th Dec 1915 single Labourer (metal mill) Curiously there is a death registration for a Clara J THACKER in 1944  reg Ipswich ? Deaths Sep 1944 Thacker    Clara J    65    Ipswich    4a    988 The 1939 National Identity Register shows living at Station Road, Welton R.D. a Clara WOOD (crossed through so could easily be WARD) Widow with JAMIESON added, born 8/9/1878and a Harry JAMIESONThis I believe is the couple who married in Welton and her death below Deaths Mar 1963 JAMIESON CLARA 84 WELTON 3B 616 The father's name being HOWE is just a coincidence. Clara Jane in Suffolk is referred to as Clara J whilst the Lincs one is plain Clara. Glen.

Hi George On the basis that you have the right Clara marrying Henry/George JAMIESON in 1944 registered in Welton (which seems likely given the fathers name of HOWE) I assume you have a marriage certificate as a copy from the GRO ? If so I would be inclined to check with the holders of the registers for Welton or better still the parish register if a church marriage The GRO being a transcript is prone to error, might there have been a clerical error between the local office and the GRO ? Your data as first posted, is a little wayward if you don't mind me saying You say her first marriage was to an Alexander George F THACKER in 1911 But she actually married him in 1898 Marriages Sep 1898 HOWE Clara Jane Ipswich 4a 1549 THACKER Alexander Ipswich 4a 1549 Followed by the birth of their first child THACKER, ROSINA ALEXANDRA HOWE Order GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 937 And sadly her death Deaths Mar 1900 Thacker Rosina Alexandria 0 Ipswich 4a 670 2nd child THACKER, ALBERT EDWARD HOWE Order GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 738 Order Who is with his mother in 1911 with her parents 3rd child THACKER, MARGARET VIOLET HOWE Order GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 814 Order Also with mother in 1911 (as Voilet THACKER) 4th child THACKER, MINNIE FLORENCE HOWE Order GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 1025 Who also sadly died Deaths Jun 1910 Thacker Minnie Florence 1 Ipswich 4a 451 In the 1911 census Clara THACKER is enumerated as married 12 years, 4 children to the marriae, 2 still alive in 1911 Also very helpfully someone has filled in the schedule (most likely John HOWE who also signed it) with her husbands details which were then crossed out as he was at sea Alexander THACKER son in law married 12 years Stoker Royal Navy born All Saints Parish (previous census shows he was born in Ipswich) In the 1911 household at 1 Coes Cottages Bramford lane Ipswich John HOWE head 52 mar painter house - house decorator Thorpe Morieax Rosina HOWE wife 53 married 33 years 4 children 4 alive in 1911 laundress Stoke parish George HOWE son 12 single school All Saints parish Clara THACKER dau 32 mar 12 yrs 4 children 2 alive in 1911 husband at sea St Peters parish Eddie THACKER son 6 Gillingham Kent Voilet THACKER dau 4 Gillingham Kent then the crossed out Alexander THACKER Another child born 1915 registered march qtr of 1916 Births Mar 1916 Thacker Frederick J Howe Ipswich 4a 2804 There were two more THACKER HOWE births registered but there was another marriage for a couple of those surnames so suspect they are not connected to yours There is a likely death registration for Alexander in 1937 Name: Alexander F Thacker Death Age: 62 Birth Date: abt 1875 Registration Date: Sep 1937 Registration district: Ipswich Inferred County: Suffolk Volume: 4a Page: 921 Moving forward to the 1939 National Identity Register at 375 Bramford rd, Ipswich Clara J THACKER female born 12th Nov 1878 a widow unpaid domestic duties Frederick J THACKER male born 14th Dec 1915 single Labourer (metal mill) So Clara had one marriage to 1939 Then you have your marriage to Henry G D JAMIESON reg Welton June qtr 1944 Marriages Jun 1944 JAMIESON Henry G D Ward Welton 7a 1392 WARD Clara Jamieson Welton 7a 1392 I found no marriage between 1939 & 1944 for a Clara THACKER to a WARD (or HOWE to WARD just in case) Curiously there is a death registration for a Clara J THACKER in 1944 reg Ipswich ? Deaths Sep 1944 Thacker Clara J 65 Ipswich 4a 988 But later registered at Welton Deaths Mar 1963 JAMIESON CLARA 84 WELTON 3B 616 So my first port of call would be to check the 1944 marriage to see if WARD appears on that Margaret Violet THACKER appears to have married a Kenneth CRISSALL in 1938 reg Ipswich Marriages Sep 1938 Crissall Kenneth C Thacker Ipswich 4a 3685 Thacker Margaret V Crissall Ipswich 4a 3685 In 1939 at 52 Surbiton rd, Ipswich Kenneth C CRISSALL male born 27th Aug 1900 married Lorry driver (heavy worker) Margaret V CRISSALL fem born 1st Sep 1906 married unpaid domestic duties Also in the 1939 NIR at 60 Samuel rd, Ipswich Albert E THACKER male born 5th Mar 1905 married painter & decorator Florence E THACKER fem born 4th Jan 1906 married unpaid domestic duties Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/07/2018 21:19, George Jamieson wrote: > Hi all, > > My first post to this new list. Lets see if this second attempt at posting this query works. > > I have actually deleted all my previous research that became infested with erroneous information supposedly sourced but not adequately proven. > > So my search is for Clara Jane Howe b.1879 Ipswich. Parents are John Howe m. Rosanna ? according to 1881 census. > > Clara was married at least 2 or probably 3 times to – > > 1st - 1911 Alexander George F Thacker, Suffolk > > 2nd or probably 3rd - 1944 George D Jamieson, Welton, Lincs > > On this m. cert George D Jamieson (my Grdfather) is recorded as Henry George Davidson Jamieson, a widower. Clara has her name recorded as Ward and a widow. Father John Howe (deceased). So was Clara actually married a 3rd time to a Ward ? I do not think the Ward name was used to confuse/hide anything as the fathers name is recorded correctly as Howe. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > George

Hi Julia, Thank you very much for that information. It gives me something to work on. Any ideas as to why her surname is recorded as Ward, a widow, on her m. cert. to my grdfather. As her father is recorded as John Howe that must mean she was m. to a Ward. I've not been able to find this marriage. I'm keen to find this Ward family group as there was supposedly a son of Clara called Ike. Not sure of spelling of Ike or if it is an abbreviated nickname. I am wondering if Ike was a Ward or in fact Ike Thacker. I have Clara m.1911 Alex. Geo. F Thacker., Suffolk. My grdfather and Clara m.1944 Welton, Lincs. I have m. cert. They d. Bardney, Lincs 1952 and 1963 respectively. Thanks again. I will get certs. to prove it all. George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Julia Crawley <jmcc21@bigpond.com> Date: 17/07/2018 01:08 (GMT+00:00) To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Clara J Howe b1879 Ipswiih Hi George - Clara Jane Howe born 1878 GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 683. Maiden name of mother PAWSEY Marriage of Rosanna Pawsey to John Howe at Ipswich on ancestry - 1878 Jul Aug Sep quarter Vol 4a page 903 Birth Rosanna Pawsey on ancestry 29 Aug 1855 Baptism 9 Aug 1857 at St Mary Stoke, Ipswich. On findmypast Rosina is transcribed as Rosine and her father's occupation is given as labourer. These are transcriptions only. Parent's names Charles and Jane Pawsey. Marriage of Charles Pawsey to Jane Sage on findmypast 14 May 1840 at Ipswich - transcription only. Looked at 1861 Census - 15 Rectory Rd, Ipswich Charles Pawsey Head Mar 48 Labourer Aldingham, Suffolk Jane Pawsey Wife Mar 48 Ipswich Charles Pawsey Son 12 Ipswich Jonathon Pawsey Son 8 Ipswich Rosannah Pawsey Dau 5 Ipswich R.G. 9/1163 There is a birth for a Jane Sage 10 April 1814 with baptism 30 Oct 1814 to Ebenezer and Rebecca Sage in Ipswich with baptism at St Peter with Ebenezer's occupation as labourer - transcription only. Also found marriage of Ebenezer Sage to Rebecca Stannard 4 Mar 1806 at Woolverstone, Suffolk on ancestry - transcription. Ebenezer and Rebecca had a son called Ebenezer born 1806 and baptised 11 Jan 1807. They also had another daughter Mary Ann bap 7 Feb 1808 and a son Benjamin born Jan 1812 and baptised 12 Jul 1812. All transcriptions only. Hope this helps, Julia -----Original Message----- From: George Jamieson [mailto:georgejamieson@btconnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018 5:54 AM To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Clara J Howe b1879 Ipswiih Hi Mel, Thanks for the quick reply. Up till this point most of my paternal side research has been through Scotlandspeople. So a bit spoilt for easy and cheap access to certs etc. As i mentioned i have scrapped all the previous research. Most of which was subject to errors from enthusiastic but inexperienced researches. I actually stopped active research on my maternal side about 5 years ago. This situation is the reason I don't do Ancestry or FinMyPast etc. I will try the GRO website. Hoping I might hear from researchers of these names on the list. George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Mel Smith <melvynsmith@gmail.com> Date: 16/07/2018 22:02 (GMT+00:00) To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Clara J Howe b1879 Ipswiih First thing I can suggest is check her birth registration on the GRO website. This will give her mother's maiden name. FreeBMD will not give it. FindMyPast has updated so they will also likely give it. If you don't have a subscription with FindMy Past the GRO website is free but you will need to register as if you were going to request a copy of the document. But no fee to register. Mel On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 16:40, George Jamieson

Hi George - Clara Jane Howe born 1878 GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 683. Maiden name of mother PAWSEY Marriage of Rosanna Pawsey to John Howe at Ipswich on ancestry - 1878 Jul Aug Sep quarter Vol 4a page 903 Birth Rosanna Pawsey on ancestry 29 Aug 1855 Baptism 9 Aug 1857 at St Mary Stoke, Ipswich. On findmypast Rosina is transcribed as Rosine and her father's occupation is given as labourer. These are transcriptions only. Parent's names Charles and Jane Pawsey. Marriage of Charles Pawsey to Jane Sage on findmypast 14 May 1840 at Ipswich - transcription only. Looked at 1861 Census - 15 Rectory Rd, Ipswich Charles Pawsey Head Mar 48 Labourer Aldingham, Suffolk Jane Pawsey Wife Mar 48 Ipswich Charles Pawsey Son 12 Ipswich Jonathon Pawsey Son 8 Ipswich Rosannah Pawsey Dau 5 Ipswich R.G. 9/1163 There is a birth for a Jane Sage 10 April 1814 with baptism 30 Oct 1814 to Ebenezer and Rebecca Sage in Ipswich with baptism at St Peter with Ebenezer's occupation as labourer - transcription only. Also found marriage of Ebenezer Sage to Rebecca Stannard 4 Mar 1806 at Woolverstone, Suffolk on ancestry - transcription. Ebenezer and Rebecca had a son called Ebenezer born 1806 and baptised 11 Jan 1807. They also had another daughter Mary Ann bap 7 Feb 1808 and a son Benjamin born Jan 1812 and baptised 12 Jul 1812. All transcriptions only. Hope this helps, Julia -----Original Message----- From: George Jamieson [mailto:georgejamieson@btconnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018 5:54 AM To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Clara J Howe b1879 Ipswiih Hi Mel, Thanks for the quick reply. Up till this point most of my paternal side research has been through Scotlandspeople. So a bit spoilt for easy and cheap access to certs etc. As i mentioned i have scrapped all the previous research. Most of which was subject to errors from enthusiastic but inexperienced researches. I actually stopped active research on my maternal side about 5 years ago. This situation is the reason I don't do Ancestry or FinMyPast etc. I will try the GRO website. Hoping I might hear from researchers of these names on the list. George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Mel Smith <melvynsmith@gmail.com> Date: 16/07/2018 22:02 (GMT+00:00) To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Clara J Howe b1879 Ipswiih First thing I can suggest is check her birth registration on the GRO website. This will give her mother's maiden name. FreeBMD will not give it. FindMyPast has updated so they will also likely give it. If you don't have a subscription with FindMy Past the GRO website is free but you will need to register as if you were going to request a copy of the document. But no fee to register. Mel On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 16:40, George Jamieson <georgejamieson@btconnect.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > My first post to this new list. Lets see if this second attempt at posting > this query works. > > I have actually deleted all my previous research that became infested with > erroneous information supposedly sourced but not adequately proven. > > So my search is for Clara Jane Howe b.1879 Ipswich. Parents are John Howe > m. Rosanna ? according to 1881 census. > > Clara was married at least 2 or probably 3 times to – > > 1st - 1911 Alexander George F Thacker, Suffolk > > 2nd or probably 3rd - 1944 George D Jamieson, Welton, Lincs > > On this m. cert George D Jamieson (my Grdfather) is recorded as Henry > George Davidson Jamieson, a widower. Clara has her name recorded as Ward > and a widow. Father John Howe (deceased). So was Clara actually married a > 3rd time to a Ward ? I do not think the Ward name was used to confuse/hide > anything as the fathers name is recorded correctly as Howe. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > George

Hi Mel, Thanks for the quick reply. Up till this point most of my paternal side research has been through Scotlandspeople. So a bit spoilt for easy and cheap access to certs etc. As i mentioned i have scrapped all the previous research. Most of which was subject to errors from enthusiastic but inexperienced researches. I actually stopped active research on my maternal side about 5 years ago. This situation is the reason I don't do Ancestry or FinMyPast etc. I will try the GRO website. Hoping I might hear from researchers of these names on the list. George Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Mel Smith <melvynsmith@gmail.com> Date: 16/07/2018 22:02 (GMT+00:00) To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Clara J Howe b1879 Ipswiih First thing I can suggest is check her birth registration on the GRO website. This will give her mother's maiden name. FreeBMD will not give it. FindMyPast has updated so they will also likely give it. If you don't have a subscription with FindMy Past the GRO website is free but you will need to register as if you were going to request a copy of the document. But no fee to register. Mel On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 16:40, George Jamieson <georgejamieson@btconnect.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > My first post to this new list. Lets see if this second attempt at posting > this query works. > > I have actually deleted all my previous research that became infested with > erroneous information supposedly sourced but not adequately proven. > > So my search is for Clara Jane Howe b.1879 Ipswich. Parents are John Howe > m. Rosanna ? according to 1881 census. > > Clara was married at least 2 or probably 3 times to – > > 1st - 1911 Alexander George F Thacker, Suffolk > > 2nd or probably 3rd - 1944 George D Jamieson, Welton, Lincs > > On this m. cert George D Jamieson (my Grdfather) is recorded as Henry > George Davidson Jamieson, a widower. Clara has her name recorded as Ward > and a widow. Father John Howe (deceased). So was Clara actually married a > 3rd time to a Ward ? I do not think the Ward name was used to confuse/hide > anything as the fathers name is recorded correctly as Howe. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/suffolk > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/suffolk Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community