Hi Michael Unfortunately at that time the onus was on the mother to more or less take the reputed father to court and to prove he was the father, very few did If there was an action it should be in the petty sessions I believe, I would try the County records office Sadly there was no proof required when giving information for a marriage certificate so the father could be a made up one to save embarrassment A deceased father was convenient as he could not attend the marriage Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/09/2012 16:05, Michael wrote: > I'm having great trouble trying to pin down my Gt Granny who according > to the 1901 census was born Yarmouth, Suffolk in 1872 and according to > the 1911 census Yarmouth, Norfolk in 1873. > > According to her marriage certificate of February 1899, Kilburn, > Middlesex. She was the daughter of John WILSON a deceased fisherman.

I'm having great trouble trying to pin down my Gt Granny who according to the 1901 census was born Yarmouth, Suffolk in 1872 and according to the 1911 census Yarmouth, Norfolk in 1873. According to her marriage certificate of February 1899, Kilburn, Middlesex. She was the daughter of John WILSON a deceased fisherman. I can't find her in the 1891 or 1881 census and I can't find her birth registration. There are a few possibilities but they have all been disproved. I've thought for a long time that she was perhaps the illegitimate daughter of a Scottish fisher girl and local fisherman. Or the illegitimate daughter of a local girl and a Scottish fisherman. If either is the case, then there may well be some form of legal document, somewhere. Such as a bastardy order. Does anybody know if there are any and if so are they in the public domain. My Gt. Granny was Helen Elizabeth WILSON. Many thanks Michael in Lancashire

I had a nice photograph taken with Roy and his then wife , my second cousin Jean. It was teken at thier home in Shoeburyness, Essex, England Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 178 > Thanks Edie > > I corresponded with Roy many many years ago and he was so helpful > > Apologies for tardy reply > > Cliff > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 178 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 (Edie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:11:53 +1000 > From: "Edie" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Cliff, > I am not of the Copping/Copping family but I knew a gentleman who died a > few > years back whose name was Roy Copping. He to my knowledge, was working on > a > book on all Copping/Coppins everywhwere even as far over to Tasmania . So > if you do a google you may find that book. He lived at Shoeburyness, near > Southend and was a member of theEssex fmily history Society, so if you > were > to contqct the society, you will maybe see if he completed he book and see > if maybe the Copping records are here still. His widow my third cousin, > who > I have lost touch with, was remarried and I cannot remember he name now, > sorry. > > I hope that helps you a little. > Edie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff Jones" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:32 PM > Subject: [SFK-UK] Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 > > >> Hi all >> >> Does anyone have access to the PRs for Walpole re a baptism of Betsey >> Coppin/Copping in August 1821 please? >> >> Thanks >> >> Cliff >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SUFFOLK list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SUFFOLK mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 178 > *************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From The Ipswich Journal ( Ipswich, England ), Saturday, March 14, 1868;Issue 6724.  IPSWICH CEMETERY. Interments during the week ending March 12. William P. WHITTLE , aged 48 years, St. Helen, March 7. Emma BARNES , infant, St. Helen, March 7. Victoria CLARKE , infant, St, Matthew, March 7. Sarah G. PULHAM , infant, St. Peter, March 11. Laura WHITTLE , infant, St.Peter, March 11. Sarah SPINK , 56 years, St. Helen, March 11. Oliver J. HARDY , 19 years, St. Mary Key, March 11. Nathan FARTHING , infant, St. Helen, March 11. Eliza PARKER , 30 years, St. Margaret, March 12. Albert BULLEN , infant, St. Margaret, March 12. Frederick KENT , 48 years, St. Matthew, March 12.

Thanks Ken Apologies for tardy reply Cliff -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 177 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 (K Finch) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 09:21:37 +0100 From: "K Finch" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The name is registered with the Guiild of One-name studies [email protected] Ken -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cliff Jones" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:32 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SFK-UK] Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 > Hi all > > Does anyone have access to the PRs for Walpole re a baptism of Betsey > Coppin/Copping in August 1821 please? > > Thanks > > Cliff > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the SUFFOLK list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the SUFFOLK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 177 ***************************************

Thanks Edie I corresponded with Roy many many years ago and he was so helpful Apologies for tardy reply Cliff -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 178 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 (Edie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:11:53 +1000 From: "Edie" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Cliff, I am not of the Copping/Copping family but I knew a gentleman who died a few years back whose name was Roy Copping. He to my knowledge, was working on a book on all Copping/Coppins everywhwere even as far over to Tasmania . So if you do a google you may find that book. He lived at Shoeburyness, near Southend and was a member of theEssex fmily history Society, so if you were to contqct the society, you will maybe see if he completed he book and see if maybe the Copping records are here still. His widow my third cousin, who I have lost touch with, was remarried and I cannot remember he name now, sorry. I hope that helps you a little. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:32 PM Subject: [SFK-UK] Copping baptism - Walpole 1821 > Hi all > > Does anyone have access to the PRs for Walpole re a baptism of Betsey > Coppin/Copping in August 1821 please? > > Thanks > > Cliff > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the SUFFOLK list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the SUFFOLK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 178 ***************************************

Hi all, I was wondering if anyone on the Suffolk list may have the Cambridgeshire Marriage Index and if so can you help me please? I am trying to find the marriage of: William Stephenson/Stevenson to Judith between 1616-1624. He completed his M.A. at Cambridge University in 1621 and became the Vicar of Wigmore, Herefordshire between 1624-1647. He then became the Vicar of Burrough Green, Cambridgeshire between 1648-?. My last record of him at Burrough Green is in 1655 when his son Robert enters Cambridge University. I haven't found a burial for either William or Judith in Burrough Green, so not sure where they went to, neither is listed as being buried on the current version of the Suffolk Burial Index, which is where most of his children ended up. I have already checked the Herefordshire Marriage index and they weren't married after arriving in Wigmore,which means they had to of married prior to 1624. If anyone can help that would be wonderful. Thanks, Paula Hadgraft Melbourne, Australia

It certainly is, and I believe it comes under Debenham parish. You can see my photos here: http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/winston.htm Simon On 12/09/2012 14:58, [email protected] wrote: > Good morning everyone, could i please ask if St. Andrews church in Winston is still up and running. If so, would anyone have the email address for the vicar or person in authority. > > Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5264 - Release Date: 09/12/12 > >

Thank you to Jackie Knott and Suzie Morley for answering my quire in regards to Winston St. Andrew. I have sent emails to both vicars of Whitton and Winston Bob -----Original Message----- From: Suzie Morley Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Winston St. Andrew Hi Bob, See http://www.achurchnearyou.com/winston/ Suzie Morley Suffolk, England Web: www.debenhamfamilyhistory.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 12 September 2012 14:59 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFK-UK] Winston St. Andrew Good morning everyone, could i please ask if St. Andrews church in Winston is still up and running. If so, would anyone have the email address for the vicar or person in authority. Bob ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bob, See http://www.achurchnearyou.com/winston/ Suzie Morley Suffolk, England Web: www.debenhamfamilyhistory.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 12 September 2012 14:59 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFK-UK] Winston St. Andrew Good morning everyone, could i please ask if St. Andrews church in Winston is still up and running. If so, would anyone have the email address for the vicar or person in authority. Bob

Good morning everyone, could i please ask if St. Andrews church in Winston is still up and running. If so, would anyone have the email address for the vicar or person in authority. Bob

Name: Victoria Steyn Age: 43 Port of Departure: Beira, Mozambique Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1937 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: Southampton [Beira] [Mombasa] [Durban] [Cape Town] Ship Name: Njassa Shipping Line: German Africa Line Others travelling with her: Wessel Steyn, M, 38 Martha Steyn, F, 34 Carel Steyn, M, 45 Hodewikus Steyn, M, 45 Francisca Steyn, F, 45 Proposed address for them all is South Africa House, London. Profession for them all is teacher. Country of last permanent resident is South Africa. They all got on the ship at Cape Town. On 11 September 2012 22:44, Lynne <[email protected]> wrote: > > Good evening all, > > I currently don't have an ancestry membership (my stepmum wants to buy it > for me for Xmas so I am having to wait!) > > Could somebody please look up a passenger list arrival for me? > > It's Victoria steyn, on the incoming list 1878-1960. She arrived in to > Southampton. Any information would be gratefully received. > > Thanks in advance! > > Lynne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- Ian Partridge

Good evening all, I currently don't have an ancestry membership (my stepmum wants to buy it for me for Xmas so I am having to wait!) Could somebody please look up a passenger list arrival for me? It's Victoria steyn, on the incoming list 1878-1960. She arrived in to Southampton. Any information would be gratefully received. Thanks in advance! Lynne

Hi all, I know this is a strange request for the Suffolk list, but I have tried the Herefordshire list twice and no-one replied at all. I am trying to find the marriage of: William Stephenson/Stevenson to Judith between 1620-1626. He completed his M.A. at Cambridge University in 1621 and became the Vicar of Wigmore, Herefordshire between 1624-1647. He then became the Vicar of Burrough Green, Cambridgeshire between 1648-?. My last record of him is in 1655 when his son Robert enters Cambridge University. I haven't found a burial for either William or Judith in Suffolk, so not sure where they went to, neither was buried at Burrough Green. William's son Samuel Stephenson was the Rector of Burrough Green between 1654-1659 and then the Vicar of Winston, Suffolk between 1660-1684. William's son Robert Stephenson was the Head Master of Woodbridge School, 1662-1663, and of Ipswich, 1664-1695. If anyone can help that would be great. Thanks, Paula Hadgraft Melbourne, Australia

Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone has the parish registers for Redlingfield and could do a quick baptism confirmation please? Someone else has given me research listing my James Harvey's parents as Richard Harvey & Frances Palmer. I have the following baptism supposedly at Redlingfield: 14 May 1779 James Harvey, son of Richard Harvey & Frances Palmer I believed up until now that his baptism was at Debenham as follows: 07 Jan 1780 James Harvey, son of James Harvey & Sarah Baggot Neither James is buried as a baby, so it could be either one. The names of the children of my James Harvey and his wife Ann Berry don't help either. There are no Richard's or Frances's in their descendants and although the name James appears it could be for my James. Also looking at the IGI and the Suffolk Burial Index Richard & Frances seems to have had children at Oakley between 1784 & 1792. None of these names appear in my James's descendants either. Any help on this baptism would be great so I can try and solve this mystery. Thanks, Paula Hadgraft Melbourne, Australia

Hi Paula I have traced the CLEMENTS connected with my family back to 1766 in the village of Ardleigh Essex. If there is a connection it would hopefully help us both. Regards Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Hadgraft" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Ann Clements b. 1760 Wetheringsett - help needed please

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Thanks, Peter SUFFOLK List Admin. -------------------------------------------------- researching the Reynolds/Spaull family mostly in the Eastern Counties This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jandjlane7 Surnames: Any of these any good to anyone? Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8834/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Relationships: William Foyson Spaull born: 1851 Lowestoft Suffolk. Charles Reynolds son of Philip John Reynolds born: 1870 Philip John Reynolds born: 1830 Kirstead, Norfolk. Mildred Reynolds born: 1889 Swaffham, Norfolk. Fanny Reynolds born: 1856 Stowmarket, Suffolk. Samuel B Spaull born: 1853 lowestoft,Norfolk. Philip Frank Foyson Spaull born: 1888 etc.etc.,etc., -------------------------------------------------- Re: family tree research This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 1_patthompson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/1109.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hello marion I am interested in finding any of my grgrgrgrandfathers siblings descendants that are in the british isles. His name was John Borrowdale and his parents were Joeseph and Christian Borrowdale. He was born in 1813 in moffat dunfreishire and his siblings were Mary(1819), Margaret(1810), David(1816), Jean(1819),and William(1822). -------------------------------------------------- Re: Marjoram Family Tree This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ctb10 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8528.3.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Pat, I'm working on the Whitings of Knodishall and wonder how the village name is pronounced in dialect or BBC? Thank you, Carol B. -------------------------------------------------- Re: YOUNG, William Chambers & YOUNG, Plowman Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hmtoutai Surnames: Young Iongi Plowman Clayton Chambers Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8705.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello I am interested in sharing information on William Chambers Young family. William Chambers Young is 2nd great grandfather to my husband. My email is [email protected] Thank you and have a good day Hera Toutai -------------------------------------------------- Re: Francis Family from Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: marilyn_francis_1 Surnames: FRANCIS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8026.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm not sure if the following helps. my father Charles John Francis was born in Wetherden on 19.06.1923.& moved to Kent in 1945.his parents George & Daisy Francis were born around 1895 & resided in Wetherden. MY EMAIL [email protected] -------------------------------------------------- rachel Woodward Born 12 Jul 1835 Lowdham, Nottinghamshire. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: normawoodward65 Surnames: WOODWARD Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8836/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to trace what happened to Rachel after the 1911 census. We know that she was a servant from 1871 census until 1911 census at St. Marys Abbey Convent, East Bergholt, Suffolk. Cannot trace a death. -------------------------------------------------- Re: rachel Woodward Born 12 Jul 1835 Lowdham, Nottinghamshire. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: robesur Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8836.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a death registered in the Samford district which includes East Bergholt of a Rachael Woodward age 80, Dec 1915, 4a, 1132. -------------------------------------------------- Re: rachel Woodward Born 12 Jul 1835 Lowdham, Nottinghamshire. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: normawoodward65 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8836.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for the information -------------------------------------------------- Re: Barham's of Rickinghall, Walsham le Willows,MendhamThis is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: C_Greenhough Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2584.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: We have some more recent Barham's in our registers http://stmarysrickinghallinferior.onesuffolk.net/parish-registers/ -------------------------------------------------- Re: William & Mary Smith 1861/71 Rickinghall This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: C_Greenhough Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2746.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: We have quite a few SMITHs in the Rickinghall registers at http://stmarysrickinghallinferior.onesuffolk.net/parish-registers/ I can confirm there is no Sybilla. The earlier baptism records are held at the Suffolk County Record Office -------------------------------------------------- Re: Looking for family This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: C_Greenhough Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/390.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: We have a Charles PERRY Buried 1892 Rickinghall Inferior http://stmarysrickinghallinferior.onesuffolk.net/parish-registers/ -------------------------------------------------- Re: 1841,1851 look-ups Suffolk This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: C_Greenhough Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/3313.2.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are lots of GARNHAMs at Rickinghall. Indexes to the more recent registers can be found at http://stmarysrickinghallinferior.onesuffolk.net/parish-registers/ -------------------------------------------------- Re: William & Mary Smith 1861/71 Rickinghall This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Bee1956 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2746.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the reply, forgot to give this an update. Sibella was found baps 1852 Rickinghall Inferior. later living at what looks like, West Hall off Hand Farm R/Inferior. -------------------------------------------------- Re: William & Mary Smith 1861/71 Rickinghall This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: C_Greenhough Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2746.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: West Hall (Farm) still exists. Cannot understand the "off hand" bit. It is immediately to the North of Westhall Wood, Rickinghall Google Maps shows it is being to the South.This is incorrect. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Census Lookup Please This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: C_Greenhough Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8109.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Recent indexes to Rickinghall parish records are now online at http://stmarysrickinghallinferior.onesuffolk.net/parish-registers/ There are a fist full of SHEPHERDs SHEPPARD SHEPPERDs therein Earlier ones are held at Suffolk county record office -------------------------------------------------- Re: Smith This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: roma117 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/349.454.459/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I was born Roma Mary Smith to Nelly Smith of Lavenham, at a hospital in Hackney, 1944. She was a market gardeners assistant. I was born Novenber 22nd 1944. I was later adopted by Charles and Monica Hammerton. I have never tried to contact my birth family as it seemed to hard to find them and I do not live in England anymore. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Smith This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: robesur Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/349.454.459.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I lived in Lavenham for several years until 2000. There was a Nelly Smith age about 90 in 2000, single woman alive and well in the village at that time. I think that Nelly or Nellie was her real name and not a pet name for Ellen or similar. She is possibly deceased by now, the death would probably be registered in either the Sudbury or Bury St Edmunds district, depending where exactly she died. Looking through deaths 2000 to 2005, the latest year available I can see a couple of Nelly(ie) Smith deaths in BSE with a DoB c1910 so either could be this one. I have no idea whether the one that I remember could be your mother, or even if she is still alive, but I remember her as very fit and active for her age. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Smith This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: roma117 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/349.454.459.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your reply. I do not think she will still be alive. I have left it too late to trace her or other members of the family. Thank you again. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Smith This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: angelabishop800 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/349.454.459.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: G'day Roma, I saw your posts regarding your birth mother, the case maybe that it is too late to meet your birth mother but she may have had more children who are your siblings, and they too may be searching for long lost reletives I myself started ancestry to find out where my ancestors came from who they were how they died as for me it was a medical research at first, [we have a history of cancer in the family] and my aim was to reach out to as many of my exhisting family members to inform them of this gene we carry, now Im hooked on the historical side as well, one of my family ancestors was a Smith, Sarah Ann Smith from Lavenham, I know that I still have family in and around the area and some direct decendants from the Smith family inparticular, so its not too late to rediscover family ties despite living in another country, I too migrated, to Western Australia distance is not a problem don't give up on your search, you never know what will turn up we may even be related ! through our ancestors. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Edmund de Wytnesham This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mickeyaway Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2846.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am tracing my family history. My dad was Ronald Meador and according to what I've found on ancestry.com we are descendants of Edmun De Wytnesham. The trail stops cold with him. I haven't found any information other than his name and year of birth. I'd appreciate anything you wish to share. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Smith This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: roma117 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/349.454.459.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: G'Day,Thank you for the information. My mother lived at 3 Station Road, Lavenham. I am hoping that I will be able to trace some members of our family. Cheers, Roma. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Smith This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: angelabishop800 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/349.454.459.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: G'day Roma, I have jotted down your birth mothers name and where she lived, just incase I come across her in my Smith seaches for Lavenham, if I do I will msg you with what I uncover, I will also get intouch with my cousin who lives in Lavenham and see if he can find the house and take a photo which I will also put up for you at some point happy hunting Angela -------------------------------------------------- Re: William BLACKBURN born abt 1837 in Ramsgate died 1893 in Bury St Edmunds This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LZiants Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8837.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: That's great thank you, I'll get in touch with them. Fingers crossed. Louise. -------------------------------------------------- Re: William BLACKBURN born abt 1837 in Ramsgate died 1893 in Bury St Edmunds This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LZiants Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8837.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Bryan, that's a good idea searching the newspaper archive, I think it may be worth me getting a subscription. It's so difficult filling in the gaps between the census years. There were quite a long line of Blackburn upholsterers in that part of the country, so if it's not him they may be a relative. Thanks again for all your help, I'll let you know how I get on. Louise. --------------------------------------------------

Thanks to all who answered my query. I thought 1837 would be the date. Since I put in my question to you all, I have been given a clue which I will follow up before I bother anyone further. Isn't that always the way - you ask and search then as soon as you ask outside the family for help, someone will offer some previously unforthcoming assistance. I will order the certificate if I run out of other options. Thanks again to the ever helpful members of this list. Denise, Australia ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Paula Oh my, did you feel some kinsman ship going on yesterday...I was tracking down the same information albeit using the IGI and Ancestry and did also come up against Samuel's mother's dilemma on the census and an Ancestry Tree. Unfortunately, there weren't any notes attached to the tree so I was not able to reach a conclusion concerning the children taking their mother's last name. I did leave a note with the owner of the tree asking for an explanation, if he knew one. Thank you for your hard work...I do have another instance in my tree of children taking on their mother's surname. It was part of a legal will settlement. The mother was the sole descendant but her marriage of course changed her and her children's surname so when the grandfather wrote his will his money/lands were hinged on his name being continued through future generations. This affected many generations...even down to me ...and alas...I am the last in my line and have forgone my and my children's continuance of this surname. I took my husband's surname. Linda Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Ann Clements b. 1760 Wetheringsett Hi Linda, Your Elijah connects to the same tree that I am trying to prove my Ann does. Okay I checked the IGI for a baptism and found the following: Name: Elijah Clements Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 27 Aug 1826 Baptism/Christening Place: DENNINGTON,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND Father's Name: Samuel Clements Mother's Name: Maria Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13171-1 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 952985 I then went and looked at the baptism index for Hoxne Deanery by the SFHS and found: 27 Aug 1826 Elijah, son of Samuel & Maria, of Dennington, blacksmith at Dennington, St. Mary On the baptisms of the other 10 children it lists Maria as late Leggett. The IGI shows the following marriage: Groom's Name: Samuel Clements Bride's Name: Maria Leggett Marriage Date: 31 Mar 1823 Marriage Place: Stradbroke,Suffolk,England Bride's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13168-2 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 952980 Okay, now this is where it gets confusing. I found the following baptism on the IGI: Name: Samuel Branch Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 10 Dec 1801 Baptism/Christening Place: Dennington, Suffolk, England Birth Date: 01 Dec 1801 Father's Name: Daniel Branch Mother's Name: Susan Clements Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00081-1 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 993242 Reference Number: item 4 It seems that all of the children of Daniel Branch & Susan Clements went by their mother's maiden name. I found Samuel's brother Elijah Clements on the 1851 census b. 1798 in Dennington as well as Bradley Clemence b. 1800 in Dennington. I don't know what happened to his brother's Daniel or Ezekiel as I couldn't find them in the census. I did however find a Daniel Clements b. 1795 in Brundish in the 1851 census which could very well be his brother Daniel. Only 4 years difference in age and Brundish is next door to Dennington. His sister Susannah b. 1795, I can't find what happened to her either. According to this website: http://www.freewebs.com/lisaparkin/clementsfamily.htm, because Samuel's parents' marriage was bigamous he had to be known by his mothers maiden name and not his Fathers. You might have to investigate that a bit more. So all up Daniel Branch & Susanna Clements had the following children: Daniel b. 1791 Susannh b. 1795 Ezekiel b. 1797 Elijah b. 1798 Bradley b. 1799 Samuel b. 1801 Susanna Clements b. 1765 in Dennington, was the daugther of William Clements b. 1728 in Debenham and Susanna Bradley. Hope this helps, if you need anything else let me know. Paula On 10 September 2012 07:01, Linda <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi everyone > Putting forward my "Clements" living in Suffolk albeit born a little later. > To date I haven't found parents or siblings for Elijah. > > Elijah Clements > Born abt. 1827 > Dennington > He married Sarah Kemp Dec Q. 1848, Hoxne District. > Children; > Samuel b. abt. 1849, Laxfield > Mary b. abt. 1850, Laxfield > Elijah b. abt. 1858, Dennington > Linda > B.C. > Canada

Hi Linda, Your Elijah connects to the same tree that I am trying to prove my Ann does. Okay I checked the IGI for a baptism and found the following: Name: Elijah Clements Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 27 Aug 1826 Baptism/Christening Place: DENNINGTON,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND Father's Name: Samuel Clements Mother's Name: Maria Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13171-1 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 952985 I then went and looked at the baptism index for Hoxne Deanery by the SFHS and found: 27 Aug 1826 Elijah, son of Samuel & Maria, of Dennington, blacksmith at Dennington, St. Mary On the baptisms of the other 10 children it lists Maria as late Leggett. The IGI shows the following marriage: Groom's Name: Samuel Clements Bride's Name: Maria Leggett Marriage Date: 31 Mar 1823 Marriage Place: Stradbroke,Suffolk,England Bride's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13168-2 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 952980 Okay, now this is where it gets confusing. I found the following baptism on the IGI: Name: Samuel Branch Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 10 Dec 1801 Baptism/Christening Place: Dennington, Suffolk, England Birth Date: 01 Dec 1801 Father's Name: Daniel Branch Mother's Name: Susan Clements Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00081-1 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 993242 Reference Number: item 4 It seems that all of the children of Daniel Branch & Susan Clements went by their mother's maiden name. I found Samuel's brother Elijah Clements on the 1851 census b. 1798 in Dennington as well as Bradley Clemence b. 1800 in Dennington. I don't know what happened to his brother's Daniel or Ezekiel as I couldn't find them in the census. I did however find a Daniel Clements b. 1795 in Brundish in the 1851 census which could very well be his brother Daniel. Only 4 years difference in age and Brundish is next door to Dennington. His sister Susannah b. 1795, I can't find what happened to her either. According to this website: http://www.freewebs.com/lisaparkin/clementsfamily.htm, because Samuel's parents' marriage was bigamous he had to be known by his mothers maiden name and not his Fathers. You might have to investigate that a bit more. So all up Daniel Branch & Susanna Clements had the following children: Daniel b. 1791 Susannh b. 1795 Ezekiel b. 1797 Elijah b. 1798 Bradley b. 1799 Samuel b. 1801 Susanna Clements b. 1765 in Dennington, was the daugther of William Clements b. 1728 in Debenham and Susanna Bradley. Hope this helps, if you need anything else let me know. Paula On 10 September 2012 07:01, Linda <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi everyone > Putting forward my "Clements" living in Suffolk albeit born a little later. > To date I haven't found parents or siblings for Elijah. > > Elijah Clements > Born abt. 1827 > Dennington > He married Sarah Kemp Dec Q. 1848, Hoxne District. > Children; > Samuel b. abt. 1849, Laxfield > Mary b. abt. 1850, Laxfield > Elijah b. abt. 1858, Dennington > Linda > B.C. > Canada > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message