Ken, thank you so much for this piece of information. I'll have another try through the library. Colin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of K Finch Sent: 29 September 2012 10:05 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] Browns of Tattingstone Suffolk county library has 8 copies so can't understand why you can't borrow a copy Ken

Suffolk county library has 8 copies so can't understand why you can't borrow a copy Ken -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Brown" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 7:10 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SFK-UK] Browns of Tattingstone > Hi > > I posted this message to the list last year and had some helpful replies > none of which, sadly, bore fruit. > > <snip> My family lived in Tattingstone for over 100 years from the > mid-19th > to the mid-20th century. I've started writing up my family history and > would > dearly love to obtain a copy of Sheila Hardy's book "Tattingstone - A > Village and its People". <snip> > > I've tried all the online bookstores and the inter library service and > just > cannot find a copy to buy or borrow. If anyone has a copy sitting on their > book shell and would be willing to part with it I'd really like to hear > from > you. > > Thanks > > Colin > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Thanks, Peter SUFFOLK List Admin. -------------------------------------------------- Re: SmithThis is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: roma117 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/349.454.459.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oh Angela,I cannot say how much this means to me. Thank you so much. I was told it would be nearly impossible to trace my family as there are so many Nellie Smith's in the births and deaths. Cheers, Roma. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Smith This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: suffolkmawther Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/349.454.459.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I think Station Road may have been the road to Preston? Unfortunately no station in Lavenham nowadays. When I worked at Lavenham Primary School there were a number of Smith children including a family of Salvationists. There is an interview with a Nellie Smith in one of the three 'Our Memories' books. This Nellie came to Lavenham from London in Sept 1939 aged 33, her parents were already living in Lavenham. Pat ... -------------------------------------------------- Re: SmithThis is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: angelabishop800 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/349.454.459.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: G'day Pat, Both families are of intrest as my Smith Family I believe are Salvationists, my GGGrandmother and father I was once told started up the Lavenham corps of the Salvation Army, and all the family then on were involved with the Army, my Great Aunt Violet is still involved in the Army at Lavenham, also the Nellie Smith certainly sounds like the one Roma is searching for Roma was born in Hackney London, her birth mother came from Lavenham, and returned after Roma was adopted shortly after birth, so any information will be of great help to both of us, as I feel sure that one of the ancestors was a Nelly Smith related through my GGGrandmothers side, one of her brothers grandchild possibly. Thanks once again for your insight and knowledge. Regards Angela -------------------------------------------------- Re: John cocksedge born c 1790 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: beal20 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2748.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: can you help me? I am doing family history john cocksedge was my grt grt grt grt grandafather you say john was born 1790 but his parents william and susan Bird were married 13years later in 1803 is this correct and i would be very pleased if you could help me with anything. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Ambrose Farrow - Great Thurlow This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kaysue10 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2438.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Anthony we are cousins as I am also an ancestor of the Ambrose'ses ..... The line goes back to Reuben. I am a great granddaughter 3 or 4 times of Robert and Mary (they are my direct line). I do have info that you can share but I need to know what you need then I can tailor make the reply to fit your needs from my tree. Drop me your contact addy by using mine which is Sue84218 at hotmail.com Just join up the gaps and replace at with the @ sign as in a normal email address. Hear from you soon. By the way I am located / based on the outskirts of London not far from Heathrow. Best wishes your cousin (God only knows how many times removed) Su. -------------------------------------------------- Re: Ambrose Farrow - Great Thurlow This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kaysue10 Surnames: Farrow Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2438.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Anthony we are cousins as I am also an ancestor of the Ambrose'ses ..... The line goes back to Reuben. I am a great granddaughter 3 or 4 times of Robert and Mary (they are my direct line). I do have info that you can share but I need to know what you need then I can tailor make the reply to fit your needs from my tree. Drop me your contact addy by using mine which is Sue84218 at hotmail.com Just join up the gaps and replace the word 'at' with the @ sign as in a normal email address. Hear from you soon. By the way I am located / based on the outskirts of London not far from Heathrow. Best wishes your cousin (God only knows how many times removed) Su. -------------------------------------------------- Probate Index This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: montana56 Surnames: Baldry Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8838/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Would someone be able to tell me what it says in the above named index for a Clarence Edward Baldry who died in 1965 in the Suffolk area?Thank you in advance for any help received. regards John -------------------------------------------------- Re: Probate Index This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Lindacalvert11 Surnames: Baldry Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8838.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi John BALDRY Clarence Edward of 39 Regent Street Stowmarket died 19 Dec 1965 at St Helen's Hospital Ipswich. Administration Ipswich 8 Feb 1966 to Elsie Maud BALDRY widow. �1893. Regards Linda -------------------------------------------------- Re: Probate Index This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: montana56 Surnames: Page Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8838.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Linda Thank you very much for looking up Clarence.Would you also mind looking up a Edward G E W Page who died in the same area in 1965?He would of been Clarence's bro in law. Once again ,thank you...regards john -------------------------------------------------- Re: Probate Index This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Lindacalvert11 Surnames: Page Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8838.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi John PAGE Edward George Ernest William of High Street Yoxford Suffolk died 6 Feb 1965. Administration London 3 May 1965 to Florence Edith PAGE widow. �2845. Regards Linda -------------------------------------------------- Re: Probate Index This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: montana56 Surnames: Baldry/Page Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8838.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Linda Thank you very much for your kind help. regards john -------------------------------------------------- Re: Ambrose Farrow - Great Thurlow This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carolsullivan17 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2438.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Sue, I am also a descendant of Ambrose through the same line as Anthony. Arthur George Farrow (1858- 1919) Harriet Lucas Ambrose Farrow abt1828- 1908 Eliza Gooden George Farrow abt 1795-1863 Sarah Talbot Robert Farrow abt 1769 -1844 Mary Bentley Ambrose Farrow abt 1742-1778 Mary Pattle This is as far back as I was able to trace so far. Arthur George Farrow and Harriet Lucas along with some of their children emigrated to Stanstead Quebec Canada in 1906. Their daughter Ellen was my grandmother. I can share info on this branch and also have some data on the earlier ancestors. Carol -------------------------------------------------- Re: Looking for family This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BrianMartin629 Surnames: Perry Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/390.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: On the 1901 census, they are living at Upthorpe, Stanton, Thingoe, Suffolk: George Perry aged 30 b 1871 Ag Lab b Botesdale Annie Elizabeth Perry 23 1878 b Market Weston. Maud Victoria Perry 3 1898 b Rickinghall. ............................................................. On the 1911 census, they are at Little Green, Burgate, Diss, Hartismere, Suffolk. George Perry aged 39 b 1872 Farm lab b Botesdale, Suffolk Annie (married 14 yrs) aged 33 b 1878 Market Weston. Maud (daughter) aged 13 b 1898 Rickinghall, Suffolk. Willie (son) aged 8 b 1903 Rickinghall, Suffolk. Frederick (son) aged 1 b 1910 Burgate, Suffolk. Hope this helps a little, Brian -------------------------------------------------- Re: Ancestry in Suffolk... This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: richardrobinson970 Surnames: lindley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2567.7/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi mate just looking at ancestry and to let you know my ancestors come from lavenham in suffolk and one of them has the name lindley/lingley just wondered if we could be related am sure she has the first name susan and married an everett -------------------------------------------------- Re: Ancestry in Suffolk... This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: richardrobinson970 Surnames: lindley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/2567.8/mb.ashx Message Board Post: kris i just looked on my tree my 4th great grandmother was susan lindley/lingly born in lavenham in 1767 and died in 1802 also her father was thomas lindley/lingly born in 1734 -------------------------------------------------- where is this address? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lesannelee Surnames: Probyn Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8840/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Can anybody tell me where this address is, I have found it on a death cert issued in 1903 in the Woodbridge and Wilford district. 36, Clayland's Rd, Clapham Rd, ? The lady in question, Julia Probyn, actually died in the County Lunatic Asylum in Melton and this is her "formaly of" address. Many thanks -------------------------------------------------- Birth/marriage of Charles Porter This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lesannelee Surnames: Porter, Towell, Royce Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8841/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Charles Porter repeatedly says that he was born in Saffron Walden, Suffolk. By the available data I believe he was born 1826-30. I have searched online and at the Suffolk record office and can find no birth to fit the bill, although there are Porters in SWalden at this time, mainly nonconformists. Unfortunately I have never been able to find a marriage cert for him although he had a wife, Maria Towell formarly Royce who lost her first husband in 1855 in Whitechapel, Middlesex so if they ever did marry it could have been anytime after that. Charles and Maria live and died in the Westminster area where he was a fishmonger/general dealer. -------------------------------------------------- Re: where is this address?This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: silvery194 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8840.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Not sure if this of help. Julia appears to have been born to a Medical doctor and surgeon in Twickenham in 1827/9 the last census I can find her on, 1901, she was living at Broad Road Wickham Mkt (near Woodbridge) The 1861 shows her as Chief Nurse in the County Asylum, Mickleover, Derbyshire. Just wondered if she was employed in the Melton Asylum rather than an inmate. There is a Clapham Road in Lowestoft -------------------------------------------------- Re: where is this address? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ELLinSpain Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8840.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 36 Claylands Rd Kennington, London, Greater London SW8 1NZ -------------------------------------------------- Re: Birth/marriage of Charles Porter This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ELLinSpain Surnames: porter, powell Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.england.sfk.general/8841.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ???? knowing how mis-transcriptions can happen there is a record for a CHARLES PORTER MARY POWELL ST GEORGE HANOVER 1860 MAR Q 1A 265 --------------------------------------------------

Hi I posted this message to the list last year and had some helpful replies none of which, sadly, bore fruit. <snip> My family lived in Tattingstone for over 100 years from the mid-19th to the mid-20th century. I've started writing up my family history and would dearly love to obtain a copy of Sheila Hardy's book "Tattingstone - A Village and its People". <snip> I've tried all the online bookstores and the inter library service and just cannot find a copy to buy or borrow. If anyone has a copy sitting on their book shell and would be willing to part with it I'd really like to hear from you. Thanks Colin

No problem, will do. The email address Pat sent returned the email to me so it is no longer working, your one hasn't, so will see if he responds. Paula On 27 September 2012 21:35, <[email protected]> wrote: > Paula; > > i have not used this email in a long time. If you get in touch with him > would you either send me the new email or ask him if he would get in touch > with me. I would like to see where he fits in. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paula Hadgraft > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] contact for Steve Barber? > > Thank you Bob. > > I will give this one ago, along with the one Pat Bridges sent me. > Hopefully one of these will get in touch with him. > > Hugs, > > Paula > > On 27 September 2012 01:42, <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Paula; >> >> the only email i have is: [email protected] Steve is also a member >> of our Stephenson/Raynham line. >> >> Bob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paula Hadgraft >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:34 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [SFK-UK] contact for Steve Barber? >> >> Hi all, >> >> Does anyone have the current email address for Steve Barber? He is a >> member of the SFHS and was on this list for quite a few years. He is a >> distant cousin of mine through my Everson family tree and I'd like to >> get in touch with the new information I have. >> >> Thank if anyone can help. >> >> Hugs, >> >> Paula >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Bob. I will give this one ago, along with the one Pat Bridges sent me. Hopefully one of these will get in touch with him. Hugs, Paula On 27 September 2012 01:42, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Paula; > > the only email i have is: [email protected] Steve is also a member > of our Stephenson/Raynham line. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paula Hadgraft > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SFK-UK] contact for Steve Barber? > > Hi all, > > Does anyone have the current email address for Steve Barber? He is a > member of the SFHS and was on this list for quite a few years. He is a > distant cousin of mine through my Everson family tree and I'd like to > get in touch with the new information I have. > > Thank if anyone can help. > > Hugs, > > Paula > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Now I see the marraige between Helen Elizab eth Wilson and Thomas Barlow Lonsdale, Michael. In Hendon, London, and she married Thomas Barlow Lonsdale 3a 219., Mar Qtr 1899. I wonder if he had met her in the Hendon workhouse. My 3rd granny died in childbirth there. May be worth checking the Hendon records if any. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] bastardy orders > Hi Michael, > > > I didnt see your Helen in the February, 1899 marraige, of kilburn, London. > Where did you find that. You havent given her husbands name, which would > help. >

Hi Michael, On familysearch I note a lot of English born Wilsons are in the USA, so so since you havent found Helen in the 1881 or 1891 census maybe you could find her there. They may have returned to the UK later. Some passengers lists may show that. I didnt see your Helen in the February, 1899 marraige, of kilburn, London. Where did you find that. You havent given her husbands name, which would help. On Family search, I did find a Ellen Wilson birth 1872 at Thetford, Norfolk, England. In the 1881 census she is 9. Relationship to head, A Pauper, Scholar. Address: Union workhouse, Thetford. Thetford Street, St Mary, Norfolk. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] bastardy orders > Hi Edie > Over the years I have tried various permutations and have eventually > disproved them. > >>> I'm having great trouble trying to pin down my Gt Granny who according >>> to the 1901 census was born Yarmouth, Suffolk in 1872 and according to >>> the 1911 census Yarmouth, Norfolk in 1873. >>> >>> According to her marriage certificate of February 1899, Kilburn, >>> Middlesex. She was the daughter of John WILSON a deceased fisherman. >>> >>> I can't find her in the 1891 or 1881 census and I can't find her birth >>> registration. There are a few possibilities but they have all been >>> disproved.

I see Michael you have done as i have done with my elusive 4th Gt Gfr. You ahve tried all lists. However, you have only given us some detgails and this British Genalogy list you have really detailed the family, that may help us to look further or try to help further. Have you tried Ireland as that is where my search for my elusive 4th Gt GF has now taken me. Maybe Helen thought she was born in Yarmouth. Seen it often, whee a paerson has made a mistake with their place of birth. She may have been baptised there. Has to be an explanation of some sort. Edie http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-53351.html -- Shared using Google Toolbar

Have you seen this one Michael Edie http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCT-PEEBLES-SHIRE/2002-01/1010069064 -- Shared using Google Toolbar

Doesnt seem to be any borth certificate in the freebmd in any form. Even if you put in wilson it doesnt give any female name that resembles Helen Elizabeth or Elizabeth Helen or even with Wilson for those years for Yarmouth doesnt bring up anything. I dont think it was compulsory to register births, deaths, marraiges until 1875 though, so a Baptism is all you can hope for. Maybe what I suggested before. They wouldnt want to register would they? Or Maybe a Mtchrondial or familyfinder test with familytreedna may help. Hasnt helped me so far. you have to have someone else to have tested if you hope to find a match, so more of a long shot. She would have been too late for a Foundling child. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] bastardy orders > That's an interesting point Roy and Edie. There is a Wilson family that > I keep returning to in Blundeston. There are 4 sons and a few daughters. > I must admit that I haven't looked at this line for a couple of years, > so it may be worth further investigation to see if anything new has > turned up. > > These are the notes that I have made over the years. Somebody may see > something I have missed. > > Notes for Helen Wilson > > So we have John [1] born 1796 > His son John [2] born 1821 > And his son John [3] born 1843 > > What follows is quite complex but there again isn't all family history > research. > > The 1841 census for Blundeston HO107/1029/4 page 4 West End shows a > John [1] (born 1796) > Mary (born 1801) > James 15 = 1826 > Charlotte 14 = 1827 > Elizabeth 12 = 1829 > Jacob 9 = 1832 > Charles 5 = 1836 > > not far away HO107/1029/4 page 10 Mill Street is a > John Wilson Jun'r [2] age shown as 15 > Maria 20 > Elizabeth 6 months > > I am assuming that John [2] jun'r is the son of John [1] and Mary as > there is no other Wilson's in the village and he has referred to himself > as Jun'r implying that he is John son of John. > > Now the 2 daughters Charlotte and Elizabeth were 14 and 12 respectively > and it is possible that one of them may have been widowed in the 1860's > and then had an illegitimate daughter and trying to find or prove this > would be very difficult > > There have been many leads that I have followed over the years but all > have drawn a blank in that they have either died or married somebody > else and have been found on the 1901 census with that person. > > The 1851 census HO 107/1805 415 The Street, Blundeston shows the family > as follows. > > WILSON John [2] 30 Sfk Blundeston = 1821 > WILSON Maria 33 Nfk Forncett St Mary = 1818 > WILSON Elizabeth 10 Sfk Blundeston = 1841 > WILSON John [3] 7 Sfk Blundeston = 1843 > WILSON William 6 Sfk Blundeston = 1845 > WILSON Frederick 3 Sfk Blundeston = 1848 > WILSON James 1 Sfk Blundeston = 1850 > > In the1861 census RG9/1188 Folio 48 Page 12 High St Blundeston > > John WILSON [2] Sfk Blundeston = 1821 > Maria WILSON Nfk Forncett St Mary = 1818 > John WILSON [3] aged 18 a fisherman Sfk Blundeston = 1843 > Frederick 14. Sfk Blundeston =1847 > James 11. Sfk Blundeston = 1850 > Ann Maria 9. Sfk Blundeston = 1852 > Charlotte 4. Sfk Blundeston = 1857 > Clara 2. Sfk Blundeston = 1859 > > Eldest daughter Elizabeth is a servant in Yarmouth RG9/1191 folio 168 > page 8 > > Seven years later on July 21st 1868 @ Blundeston John WILSON aged 25 > married a widow named Susan WARD formerly BUCK aged 29. > Susan, Johns wife was buried November 19th 1870 St Mary, Blundeston aged > 32. > There appears to have been no children from this marriage, as none > appear to be living with John or his parents in Blundeston, or her > parents. > > Susan (BUCK) had married Samuel WARD March qtr 1862 registered @ > Yarmouth 4B page 12. There is then the death of a Samuel WARD December > qtr 1866 registered @ Mutford 4A page 473? Aged 25 The burial of Samuel > is recorded as 22nd May 1866 at St Mary, Blundeston > > 1871 census RG10/1781 Folio 8 Page 8 > John WILSON [2] Sfk Blundeston = 1821 > Maria WILSON Nfk Forncett St Mary = 1818 > John 28 is a widower he was married less than 2 years 4 months > Frederick 24 > James 21 > George 8 shown as son but possible the son of Elizabeth > > Clara died in 1861 GRO reference Dec 1861 Mutford 4a 418 > > > Anna Maria and Charlotte are not at home. > > Ann Maria Wilson was born in 1851and appears with her parents in the > 1861 census, > In the 1871 she is an unmarried servant in Gorleston, Yarmouth RG10/1789 > folio 132 page 10. > In the 1881 she is still unmarried and a servant in Gorleston RG11/1908 > folio 52 page 24. > In 1891 Ann has married Charles TURNER a bricklayer and is living in > Lowestoft RG12/1492 folio 15 page 18 they have a daughter Maud aged 1. > In 1901 Ann is still living in Lowestoft with Charles. RG13/1803 folio > 14 page 19 and have another daughter Ethel born in 1894 > There appears to have been no illegitimate children but she could have > had a child. > > Charlotte Wilson was born in 1856 registered at Mutford Dec qtr 1856 Vol > 4a page 626 appears with her parents in the 1861 census. > She doesn't seem to appear in either the 1871 or 1881 census. > In the 1891 census there is a Charlotte WILSON aged 29 (puts birth 1862) > born Blundeston as House Keeper in home of Charles BOYCE a widowed > fisherman aged 39 in Blundeston RG12/1495 folio 51 page 14. > I can find no other Charlotte Wilson born in the Blundeston area around > 1862 > Also there as a visitor is an Alice WILSON aged 9 born in Blundeston. Is > she Charlotte's daughter? > Neither Charlotte or Alice appear in the 1901 census at least I can't > find them. > St Mary, Blundeston shows the burial of Alice age 17 on September 28th > 1899 > > When we get to the 1881 census RG11/1905 Folio 60 Page 16 John has > remarried with a daughter Lily May who is aged 2 and son Sidney aged 7 > months. he still lives in the High St Blundeston. > > So John was on his own from November 1870 until February 1877 when he > remarried, so did he have a fling or two and possibly have an > illegitimate daughter? > If so what was her name?. > > There was an Elizabeth Wilson living not far away in the same street but > she was the daughter of Frederick Wilson and Agnes Mary Pye formerly > Butterfunt. Frederick was the brother of John. > > Frederick and Agnes had another daughter named Florence who appears in > the 1891 census in the James and Ellen Marjoram household in Lowestoft. > Florence is shown as "Sister in Law" Ellen Marjoram used to be Eleanor > Elizabeth BUTTERFUNT and she died in 1898, so she wasn't an Ellen Wilson > who left James to marry my Gt. Grandfather. > > In the 1881 census there was a 7 year-old granddaughter named Ada > BENSLEY living with John's parents in the Street Blundeston I don't know > who her mother was but she was still in Yarmouth in 1901. > > Further to Elizabeth Mumford > I have found that on the 1841 census Elizabeth Wilson was the 6 months > old daughter of John and Maria Wilson of Blundeston, > In 1851 she was at home aged 10. > In 1861 she was a servant in the home of Mary Brikett in Marine Passage, > Yarmouth. RG9/1191 folio 168 page 8 > In 1871 census Elizabeth MUMFORD appears to be the right age and is > apparently listed as the eldest child. I can find no reference to > Elizabeth Mumford /Wilson after the 1871 census. > There was the marriage of an Elizabeth MUNFORD in the Blofield > registration district in Sep 1878 but haven't checked it out Vol 4b page > 337 > > Could it be possible that Elizabeth had an illegitimate daughter? > > There is a Helen registered birth in the Dec qtr of 1859 at Mutford and > I must admit that I haven't followed this up as she would have been 41 > when her 1st child wad born and I can't trace her on any of the census. > > There was one other John who was 13 in the 1871 census and lived in > Carlton Colville but I feel that he is too young to have been the father > but it is possible if Helen was born six or seven years later > > This then leaves a couple of possibilities > > Helen was illegitimate, John was the father but her mother said he was > dead. Possible > > The 1st Susan was the mother, but if she was why didn't John or her > parents look after it? Unlikely > > John wasn't her father and I have the wrong family. Most Probable > > Another theory is that Helen was perhaps the result of an affair between > a fisherman and a Scottish fisher girl who worked the herring fleets > along the east coast at that time. > > I've been unable to find any other John WILSON in the area but the whole > roll could be reversed in that John was the fisherman from Scotland and > the mother from Norfolk/Suffolk > > Michael > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a more unsavoury solution Michael. this one I have in my own family as recent as my uncle/cousin. My Aunt Annie was his mother to my grandafther. h e was her only child, she marreid a much older man. So unfortunatley you have that avenue as well. Not vey nice, but factual. Have you obtained any certificates of birth to see if any of them match that family headed by John 1796. Could be a granddaughter of his had a illegimate child. As I said not something we would like to entertain as happened in our family but all my grandfthers daughters were treated in the same way. We also had two generations of gypsies in our family. That is not too say, that is how Gypsies on the whole behave, as it can happen in any family. Rarely I would think. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] bastardy orders > That's an interesting point Roy and Edie. There is a Wilson family that > I keep returning to in Blundeston. There are 4 sons and a few daughters. > I must admit that I haven't looked at this line for a couple of years, > so it may be worth further investigation to see if anything new has > turned up. > > These are the notes that I have made over the years. Somebody may see > something I have missed. > > Notes for Helen Wilson > > So we have John [1] born 1796 > His son John [2] born 1821 > And his son John [3] born 1843 > > What follows is quite complex but there again isn't all family history > research. > > The 1841 census for Blundeston HO107/1029/4 page 4 West End shows a > John [1] (born 1796) > Mary (born 1801) > James 15 = 1826 > Charlotte 14 = 1827 > Elizabeth 12 = 1829 > Jacob 9 = 1832 > Charles 5 = 1836 > > not far away HO107/1029/4 page 10 Mill Street is a > John Wilson Jun'r [2] age shown as 15 > Maria 20 > Elizabeth 6 months > > I am assuming that John [2] jun'r is the son of John [1] and Mary as > there is no other Wilson's in the village and he has referred to himself > as Jun'r implying that he is John son of John. > > Now the 2 daughters Charlotte and Elizabeth were 14 and 12 respectively > and it is possible that one of them may have been widowed in the 1860's > and then had an illegitimate daughter and trying to find or prove this > would be very difficult > > There have been many leads that I have followed over the years but all > have drawn a blank in that they have either died or married somebody > else and have been found on the 1901 census with that person. > > The 1851 census HO 107/1805 415 The Street, Blundeston shows the family > as follows. > > WILSON John [2] 30 Sfk Blundeston = 1821 > WILSON Maria 33 Nfk Forncett St Mary = 1818 > WILSON Elizabeth 10 Sfk Blundeston = 1841 > WILSON John [3] 7 Sfk Blundeston = 1843 > WILSON William 6 Sfk Blundeston = 1845 > WILSON Frederick 3 Sfk Blundeston = 1848 > WILSON James 1 Sfk Blundeston = 1850 > > In the1861 census RG9/1188 Folio 48 Page 12 High St Blundeston > > John WILSON [2] Sfk Blundeston = 1821 > Maria WILSON Nfk Forncett St Mary = 1818 > John WILSON [3] aged 18 a fisherman Sfk Blundeston = 1843 > Frederick 14. Sfk Blundeston =1847 > James 11. Sfk Blundeston = 1850 > Ann Maria 9. Sfk Blundeston = 1852 > Charlotte 4. Sfk Blundeston = 1857 > Clara 2. Sfk Blundeston = 1859 > > Eldest daughter Elizabeth is a servant in Yarmouth RG9/1191 folio 168 > page 8 > > Seven years later on July 21st 1868 @ Blundeston John WILSON aged 25 > married a widow named Susan WARD formerly BUCK aged 29. > Susan, Johns wife was buried November 19th 1870 St Mary, Blundeston aged > 32. > There appears to have been no children from this marriage, as none > appear to be living with John or his parents in Blundeston, or her > parents. > > Susan (BUCK) had married Samuel WARD March qtr 1862 registered @ > Yarmouth 4B page 12. There is then the death of a Samuel WARD December > qtr 1866 registered @ Mutford 4A page 473? Aged 25 The burial of Samuel > is recorded as 22nd May 1866 at St Mary, Blundeston > > 1871 census RG10/1781 Folio 8 Page 8 > John WILSON [2] Sfk Blundeston = 1821 > Maria WILSON Nfk Forncett St Mary = 1818 > John 28 is a widower he was married less than 2 years 4 months > Frederick 24 > James 21 > George 8 shown as son but possible the son of Elizabeth > > Clara died in 1861 GRO reference Dec 1861 Mutford 4a 418 > > > Anna Maria and Charlotte are not at home. > > Ann Maria Wilson was born in 1851and appears with her parents in the > 1861 census, > In the 1871 she is an unmarried servant in Gorleston, Yarmouth RG10/1789 > folio 132 page 10. > In the 1881 she is still unmarried and a servant in Gorleston RG11/1908 > folio 52 page 24. > In 1891 Ann has married Charles TURNER a bricklayer and is living in > Lowestoft RG12/1492 folio 15 page 18 they have a daughter Maud aged 1. > In 1901 Ann is still living in Lowestoft with Charles. RG13/1803 folio > 14 page 19 and have another daughter Ethel born in 1894 > There appears to have been no illegitimate children but she could have > had a child. > > Charlotte Wilson was born in 1856 registered at Mutford Dec qtr 1856 Vol > 4a page 626 appears with her parents in the 1861 census. > She doesn't seem to appear in either the 1871 or 1881 census. > In the 1891 census there is a Charlotte WILSON aged 29 (puts birth 1862) > born Blundeston as House Keeper in home of Charles BOYCE a widowed > fisherman aged 39 in Blundeston RG12/1495 folio 51 page 14. > I can find no other Charlotte Wilson born in the Blundeston area around > 1862 > Also there as a visitor is an Alice WILSON aged 9 born in Blundeston. Is > she Charlotte's daughter? > Neither Charlotte or Alice appear in the 1901 census at least I can't > find them. > St Mary, Blundeston shows the burial of Alice age 17 on September 28th > 1899 > > When we get to the 1881 census RG11/1905 Folio 60 Page 16 John has > remarried with a daughter Lily May who is aged 2 and son Sidney aged 7 > months. he still lives in the High St Blundeston. > > So John was on his own from November 1870 until February 1877 when he > remarried, so did he have a fling or two and possibly have an > illegitimate daughter? > If so what was her name?. > > There was an Elizabeth Wilson living not far away in the same street but > she was the daughter of Frederick Wilson and Agnes Mary Pye formerly > Butterfunt. Frederick was the brother of John. > > Frederick and Agnes had another daughter named Florence who appears in > the 1891 census in the James and Ellen Marjoram household in Lowestoft. > Florence is shown as "Sister in Law" Ellen Marjoram used to be Eleanor > Elizabeth BUTTERFUNT and she died in 1898, so she wasn't an Ellen Wilson > who left James to marry my Gt. Grandfather. > > In the 1881 census there was a 7 year-old granddaughter named Ada > BENSLEY living with John's parents in the Street Blundeston I don't know > who her mother was but she was still in Yarmouth in 1901. > > Further to Elizabeth Mumford > I have found that on the 1841 census Elizabeth Wilson was the 6 months > old daughter of John and Maria Wilson of Blundeston, > In 1851 she was at home aged 10. > In 1861 she was a servant in the home of Mary Brikett in Marine Passage, > Yarmouth. RG9/1191 folio 168 page 8 > In 1871 census Elizabeth MUMFORD appears to be the right age and is > apparently listed as the eldest child. I can find no reference to > Elizabeth Mumford /Wilson after the 1871 census. > There was the marriage of an Elizabeth MUNFORD in the Blofield > registration district in Sep 1878 but haven't checked it out Vol 4b page > 337 > > Could it be possible that Elizabeth had an illegitimate daughter? > > There is a Helen registered birth in the Dec qtr of 1859 at Mutford and > I must admit that I haven't followed this up as she would have been 41 > when her 1st child wad born and I can't trace her on any of the census. > > There was one other John who was 13 in the 1871 census and lived in > Carlton Colville but I feel that he is too young to have been the father > but it is possible if Helen was born six or seven years later > > This then leaves a couple of possibilities > > Helen was illegitimate, John was the father but her mother said he was > dead. Possible > > The 1st Susan was the mother, but if she was why didn't John or her > parents look after it? Unlikely > > John wasn't her father and I have the wrong family. Most Probable > > Another theory is that Helen was perhaps the result of an affair between > a fisherman and a Scottish fisher girl who worked the herring fleets > along the east coast at that time. > > I've been unable to find any other John WILSON in the area but the whole > roll could be reversed in that John was the fisherman from Scotland and > the mother from Norfolk/Suffolk > > Michael > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paula; i have not used this email in a long time. If you get in touch with him would you either send me the new email or ask him if he would get in touch with me. I would like to see where he fits in. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Paula Hadgraft Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] contact for Steve Barber? Thank you Bob. I will give this one ago, along with the one Pat Bridges sent me. Hopefully one of these will get in touch with him. Hugs, Paula On 27 September 2012 01:42, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Paula; > > the only email i have is: [email protected] Steve is also a member > of our Stephenson/Raynham line. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paula Hadgraft > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SFK-UK] contact for Steve Barber? > > Hi all, > > Does anyone have the current email address for Steve Barber? He is a > member of the SFHS and was on this list for quite a few years. He is a > distant cousin of mine through my Everson family tree and I'd like to > get in touch with the new information I have. > > Thank if anyone can help. > > Hugs, > > Paula > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just read about Kessingland on Wikipedia, Michael. Sounds like a really interesting place. The type I would visit. Seems it was a holiday place, but also a very ancient dwelling as well. I read also, it seemed to have its own version of the Loch Ness monster. Also mentions Beach fisherman, wonder if John Wilson was one of that mob. Did you check St Edmunds Church for the baptsim of Hellen/Helen/Ellen Wilson? Maybe Your Gt Granny was baptised there. Wherever she was baptsied, she may have been entered just as female child. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] bastardy orders > Roy, Sorry, I forgot to add that during the 1920 and early 30, Helen > took my father Roy born 1918, to Kessingland on holiday every year. > > As yet I can find no connection between Kessingland and the family. > I could really do with the 1921 census. Roll on 2022, that's if they > release it. > > Michael > > On 23-Sep-12 8:11 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> From: [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, Does anyone have the current email address for Steve Barber? He is a member of the SFHS and was on this list for quite a few years. He is a distant cousin of mine through my Everson family tree and I'd like to get in touch with the new information I have. Thank if anyone can help. Hugs, Paula

Hi Michael, I have looked but not found much to help you either, however I did have one thought. What if John was the middle name of her father and that is what he was known as. I have had a few relatives that have gone by their middle names and they have been found in the census with that name. So for example: George John, Thomas John. It is just a thought anyway. The other one is perhaps Helen was her middle name too and her first name was Elizabeth, but she prefered Helen instead. I will keep looking and see if I can find anything else. Paula On 26 September 2012 17:21, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > That's an interesting point Roy and Edie. There is a Wilson family that > I keep returning to in Blundeston. There are 4 sons and a few daughters. > I must admit that I haven't looked at this line for a couple of years, > so it may be worth further investigation to see if anything new has > turned up. > > These are the notes that I have made over the years. Somebody may see > something I have missed. > > Notes for Helen Wilson > > So we have John [1] born 1796 > His son John [2] born 1821 > And his son John [3] born 1843 > > What follows is quite complex but there again isn't all family history > research. > > The 1841 census for Blundeston HO107/1029/4 page 4 West End shows a > John [1] (born 1796) > Mary (born 1801) > James 15 = 1826 > Charlotte 14 = 1827 > Elizabeth 12 = 1829 > Jacob 9 = 1832 > Charles 5 = 1836 > > not far away HO107/1029/4 page 10 Mill Street is a > John Wilson Jun'r [2] age shown as 15 > Maria 20 > Elizabeth 6 months > > I am assuming that John [2] jun'r is the son of John [1] and Mary as > there is no other Wilson's in the village and he has referred to himself > as Jun'r implying that he is John son of John. > > Now the 2 daughters Charlotte and Elizabeth were 14 and 12 respectively > and it is possible that one of them may have been widowed in the 1860's > and then had an illegitimate daughter and trying to find or prove this > would be very difficult > > There have been many leads that I have followed over the years but all > have drawn a blank in that they have either died or married somebody > else and have been found on the 1901 census with that person. > > The 1851 census HO 107/1805 415 The Street, Blundeston shows the family > as follows. > > WILSON John [2] 30 Sfk Blundeston = 1821 > WILSON Maria 33 Nfk Forncett St Mary = 1818 > WILSON Elizabeth 10 Sfk Blundeston = 1841 > WILSON John [3] 7 Sfk Blundeston = 1843 > WILSON William 6 Sfk Blundeston = 1845 > WILSON Frederick 3 Sfk Blundeston = 1848 > WILSON James 1 Sfk Blundeston = 1850 > > In the1861 census RG9/1188 Folio 48 Page 12 High St Blundeston > > John WILSON [2] Sfk Blundeston = 1821 > Maria WILSON Nfk Forncett St Mary = 1818 > John WILSON [3] aged 18 a fisherman Sfk Blundeston = 1843 > Frederick 14. Sfk Blundeston =1847 > James 11. Sfk Blundeston = 1850 > Ann Maria 9. Sfk Blundeston = 1852 > Charlotte 4. Sfk Blundeston = 1857 > Clara 2. Sfk Blundeston = 1859 > > Eldest daughter Elizabeth is a servant in Yarmouth RG9/1191 folio 168 > page 8 > > Seven years later on July 21st 1868 @ Blundeston John WILSON aged 25 > married a widow named Susan WARD formerly BUCK aged 29. > Susan, Johns wife was buried November 19th 1870 St Mary, Blundeston aged > 32. > There appears to have been no children from this marriage, as none > appear to be living with John or his parents in Blundeston, or her parents. > > Susan (BUCK) had married Samuel WARD March qtr 1862 registered @ > Yarmouth 4B page 12. There is then the death of a Samuel WARD December > qtr 1866 registered @ Mutford 4A page 473? Aged 25 The burial of Samuel > is recorded as 22nd May 1866 at St Mary, Blundeston > > 1871 census RG10/1781 Folio 8 Page 8 > John WILSON [2] Sfk Blundeston = 1821 > Maria WILSON Nfk Forncett St Mary = 1818 > John 28 is a widower he was married less than 2 years 4 months > Frederick 24 > James 21 > George 8 shown as son but possible the son of Elizabeth > > Clara died in 1861 GRO reference Dec 1861 Mutford 4a 418 > > > Anna Maria and Charlotte are not at home. > > Ann Maria Wilson was born in 1851and appears with her parents in the > 1861 census, > In the 1871 she is an unmarried servant in Gorleston, Yarmouth RG10/1789 > folio 132 page 10. > In the 1881 she is still unmarried and a servant in Gorleston RG11/1908 > folio 52 page 24. > In 1891 Ann has married Charles TURNER a bricklayer and is living in > Lowestoft RG12/1492 folio 15 page 18 they have a daughter Maud aged 1. > In 1901 Ann is still living in Lowestoft with Charles. RG13/1803 folio > 14 page 19 and have another daughter Ethel born in 1894 > There appears to have been no illegitimate children but she could have > had a child. > > Charlotte Wilson was born in 1856 registered at Mutford Dec qtr 1856 Vol > 4a page 626 appears with her parents in the 1861 census. > She doesn't seem to appear in either the 1871 or 1881 census. > In the 1891 census there is a Charlotte WILSON aged 29 (puts birth 1862) > born Blundeston as House Keeper in home of Charles BOYCE a widowed > fisherman aged 39 in Blundeston RG12/1495 folio 51 page 14. > I can find no other Charlotte Wilson born in the Blundeston area around 1862 > Also there as a visitor is an Alice WILSON aged 9 born in Blundeston. Is > she Charlotte's daughter? > Neither Charlotte or Alice appear in the 1901 census at least I can't > find them. > St Mary, Blundeston shows the burial of Alice age 17 on September 28th 1899 > > When we get to the 1881 census RG11/1905 Folio 60 Page 16 John has > remarried with a daughter Lily May who is aged 2 and son Sidney aged 7 > months. he still lives in the High St Blundeston. > > So John was on his own from November 1870 until February 1877 when he > remarried, so did he have a fling or two and possibly have an > illegitimate daughter? > If so what was her name?. > > There was an Elizabeth Wilson living not far away in the same street but > she was the daughter of Frederick Wilson and Agnes Mary Pye formerly > Butterfunt. Frederick was the brother of John. > > Frederick and Agnes had another daughter named Florence who appears in > the 1891 census in the James and Ellen Marjoram household in Lowestoft. > Florence is shown as "Sister in Law" Ellen Marjoram used to be Eleanor > Elizabeth BUTTERFUNT and she died in 1898, so she wasn't an Ellen Wilson > who left James to marry my Gt. Grandfather. > > In the 1881 census there was a 7 year-old granddaughter named Ada > BENSLEY living with John's parents in the Street Blundeston I don't know > who her mother was but she was still in Yarmouth in 1901. > > Further to Elizabeth Mumford > I have found that on the 1841 census Elizabeth Wilson was the 6 months > old daughter of John and Maria Wilson of Blundeston, > In 1851 she was at home aged 10. > In 1861 she was a servant in the home of Mary Brikett in Marine Passage, > Yarmouth. RG9/1191 folio 168 page 8 > In 1871 census Elizabeth MUMFORD appears to be the right age and is > apparently listed as the eldest child. I can find no reference to > Elizabeth Mumford /Wilson after the 1871 census. > There was the marriage of an Elizabeth MUNFORD in the Blofield > registration district in Sep 1878 but haven't checked it out Vol 4b page > 337 > > Could it be possible that Elizabeth had an illegitimate daughter? > > There is a Helen registered birth in the Dec qtr of 1859 at Mutford and > I must admit that I haven't followed this up as she would have been 41 > when her 1st child wad born and I can't trace her on any of the census. > > There was one other John who was 13 in the 1871 census and lived in > Carlton Colville but I feel that he is too young to have been the father > but it is possible if Helen was born six or seven years later > > This then leaves a couple of possibilities > > Helen was illegitimate, John was the father but her mother said he was > dead. Possible > > The 1st Susan was the mother, but if she was why didn't John or her > parents look after it? Unlikely > > John wasn't her father and I have the wrong family. Most Probable > > Another theory is that Helen was perhaps the result of an affair between > a fisherman and a Scottish fisher girl who worked the herring fleets > along the east coast at that time. > > I've been unable to find any other John WILSON in the area but the whole > roll could be reversed in that John was the fisherman from Scotland and > the mother from Norfolk/Suffolk > > Michael > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe they were Gypsies Michael with all of the twists and turns. Have you checked the Romany family websites. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [SFK-UK] bastardy orders > Hello Roy > > Many thanks for your email and interest. > > I have thought for a long time that she was illegitimate, because I have > never been able to find anything on her prior to the wedding. > > Everything surrounding her and that period in time, from her possible > year of birth 1872 until 1911. > > Whilst in Scotland some years ago, my daughter, on seeing a sign post to > Peebles, chirped up with "That's where come from, isn't it"? That's what > got me into FH. She told me that my father had told her we were from > Peebles. But she had only been 10 or 12 when my dad told her, and he was > no longer with us. > > Yes the Peebles link is a good possibility, having been taken there > shortly after Helen died. And I do recall my parents going through > church records. I also have a vague recollection (I was only 8) that > they couldn't find what they were looking for because they had been > destroyed by fire. > > My daughter now lives in Dunfermline, so I have been to Peebles many > times, without finding anything even flimsy, let alone concrete. > > Two things are tending to steer me away from Peebles is that I also > recall coming home with a Lamont tartan tie. If you look into the > Tartans and there connections, you will find the TURNER family. And my > mum was a TURNER. > > Also, early last year I found that Helen's husband's, half sister > married Henry PEEBLES who was born in East Dereham, Norfolk in 1858. His > father was born in Neatishead, Norfolk. The line goes back to > Kirkliston, West Lothian, Scotland. Got that line back to the mid 1700's > and trying to come forward and see if there is a connection there. > > Could possibly be a Red Herring. > > The other side of things is that the line keeps pointing back to > Brighton. That's where Helens husband Thomas, was born. > Thomas had 2 sisters (as well as 2 half sisters from his mothers first > marriage) and one of his sisters married their mothers, 1st husbands, > brothers, son. That family lived in Brighton. > > Their mother was born just outside Brighton and married there and had 2 > girls. Thomas's father moved from Lancashire to Brighton to work on the > railway. Met Ruth now a widow, they moved to Kilburn where he was the > pattern maker with Saxby & Farmer signal makers and died of smallpox in > May 1871. > > So Ruth obviously took her 2 daughters from her 1st marriage back to > Brighton to see their grandparents and cousins etc, and obviously taken > the 4 children from her second marriage. > > As you can see it is all very complicated, and the plot thickens because > where her 1st husband had lived, there was in 1881 a Helen Wilson living > there. She has been disproved as have the others in the area. > > Then to make matters worse, when we get to the 1911 census, Helen is > living on her own. Her husband is in a convalescence home in Bognor > Regis. Their daughter Edith is with an aunt in south London and their > son (My Grandfather) is in Maidenhead, Berkshire. > > It took me ages to find him because he is shown as Alfred LOUSDALE. (his > name is Thomas Alfred) He was living with George CRIPPS and his family. > George CRIPPS was a Railway Clerk on the Gt Western, and Thomas later > worked as pantry boy on the Exeter Tea Car that left Paddington at 4pm > every day. (He went on to work the Royal Train for the tour of Crown > Prince Hirohito in 1921 and died in 1925 aged 25) > > Mrs Eleanor Cripps was Eleanor Caroline BUNCE and she married George > CRIPPS at Kensington in December 1885 volume 1a page 315. > Eleanor BUNCE was christened 23 JUN 1861at St Andrew'S Church, Hertford > daughter of John and Eliza. > In 1871 she lived with her widowed mother Eliza at 3 Percy Rd, Willesden > RG10 piece 1329 folio 56 page 41 along with sisters Jane 6, Emily 5 > months and brother Charles aged 4. > > BUT in 1881 she was a servant in Brighton. Back to Brighton again. > > In 1901 George CRIPPS and Eleanor C were living at 6 Clarmont Road, > Willesden, Middlesex - RG13; Piece: 1220; Folio: 53; Page: 38 That's the > address where Thomas Alfred was born in March 1900. > > So as you can see this line has many twists and turns in it. > So what are her roots, was she born in Yarmouth? > Was she born in Peebles? > Or was she really a PEEBLES? > Or did she come from Brighton? > So after more than 15 years of searching, I am no nearer finding Helen > Elizabeth WILSON. And I maybe never will, but I'll keep looking. > > Thank you again > Regards > Michael > > PS. All these twists and turns would make a great story line in one or > the period dramas like Downton Abbey, wouldn't it. > Michael > > > > On 23-Sep-12 8:11 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> From: [email protected] >> >>> From: Mike Fry <[email protected]> >>> >>>> On 2012/09/22 17:05, Michael wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm having great trouble trying to pin down my Gt Granny who >>>> according to the 1901 census was born Yarmouth, Suffolk in 1872 >>>> and according to the 1911 census Yarmouth, Norfolk in 1873. >>>>> >>>>> According to her marriage certificate of February 1899, >>>>> Kilburn, Middlesex. She was the daughter of John WILSON a deceased >>>> fisherman. >>>> >>>> Sounds as though she was illegitimate in which case, she was >>>> probably registered under her mother's name. No Helen Elizabeth's that >>>> I can see for >>>> that period. >>>> Plenty of Ellen Elizabeth's though :-)> >>> >>> I wouldn't always put too much credence on a named father on a >>> marriage certificate. >>> >>> In my experience people who were born illegitimate often "invented" >>> a father on a marriage certificate to avoid embarrassment if they didn't >>> wish to tell their >>> intended or the vicar! >>> >>> I have seen a number of certificates where I knew for a fact that >>> the father of one of the parties was an invention.> >> >> I presume the gt-grandmother of Michael, the OP, was Hellen [sic] >> Elizabeth Wilson who >> married Thomas Barlow Lonsdale at Kilburn Holy Trinity on 19 Feb 1899 >> (Ancestry's London >> Parish Registers)? In the 1901 census she is indeed shown as being born >> at Yarmouth, >> Suffolk, Thomas B Lonsdale was born 1868 at Brighton and they had a son >> of one, born >> 1900 at Willesden. >> >> Like Mike in South Africa, I think Hellen (or whatever her name was) was >> born illegitimate >> and, as I said, she probably invented a father on her marriage >> certificate. FreeBMD has no >> Helen Elizabeth Wilson born at Yarmouth in 1872 or thereabouts, which of >> course is not to >> say conclusively that her father wasn't John Wilson, fisherman! >> >> >> -- >> Roy Stockdill >> Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer >> Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ >> >> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >> and that is not being talked about." >> OSCAR WILDE >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:40:40 -0400 (EDT) [email protected] wrote: Hello [email protected], >Act that I believe had to be repelled or what ever they call it, it 'Repealed' is the word you're looking for. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

Hi Mick What you are quoting part of, refers to someones attempt under the freedom of information act to obtain an extract from the 1921 census, the 1921 is covered by the 1920 census act and therefore an extract was not allowed The later act in the 1960's added in the 100 year rule retrospectively Therefore they state the 1921 will be released after 100 years have elapsed and not before Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/09/2012 15:40, [email protected] wrote: > Hello Nivard, > This was a quote from a government site earlier this year which I kept but > don't know when the quote was made. It does though refer to the 1921 Census > Act that I believe had to be repelled or what ever they call it, it could > not just be superceded by other Acts. > . > "The ruling by the Information Commissioner that resulted in the 1911 > census being opened early does not apply to the 1921 census because, unlike the > 1911 census, the 1921 census was conducted under the 1920 Census Act, which > is still in force and which contains a statutory prohibition on > disclosure." > > Is this the left or the right hand? > > Thought I had better change the subject line. > > Does anyone else have any thoughts on the subject? > > Regards > Mick

Someone was asking for a 1911 census lookup. The 1911 census is currently free until 2nd November on ancestry.co.uk Jane