Hello Peter, I too have visited the German war cemeteries in Belgium and France and have been deeply saddened by the depressing nature of the burial plots compared to the immaculate cemeteries of the allies where the roses are replaced every year and cemeteries beautifully maintained. It sorrows me that we can't get over the atrocities of the past and acknowledge that the German soldiers were also just boys going off to war, no different to our men, being manipulated by their generals and used as cannon fodder. They should also be entitled to a decent grave. I visited the burial plot of my gt uncle, Thomas John Schaefer, a German descendant who fought with an Australian battalion. Thomas was killed in Belgium at the age of 19 along with two of his cousins who are buried as unknown soldiers in unmarked Australian graves. At one of the cemeteries I marveled at the irony of two English soldiers buried in the German cemetery in a mass grave along with thousands of German soldiers, simply because the bodies of the Englishmen could not be distinguished from the Germans. The most uplifting part of my visit was to the site of the football match between the Germans and allies on Christmas Day 1914. A cross and numerous footballs, since laid by visitors, are all that mark the spot. On that day in 1914, French, German and British soldiers crossed the trenches to exchange seasonal greetings and talk. Their meetings ended in carol-singing and games of football between the opposing sides. Apparently afterwards, the generals banned any future association between their troops in case they stopped thinking of the Germans as enemies. I think there could have been a learnt a lot from these young men. Maybe if they'd been allowed to play football the war would have been over a lot earlier. Regards Jenny Ellis-Newman ________________________________ From: P. S. Wyant <wyants@sasktel.net> Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2018 2:13 AM To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] November 11 Hello, Folks. As we do at this time every year on this List and this year especially (being the 100th anniversary of the WWI Armistice, the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht, and the 51st anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall), and whether you call it Remembrance Day, Armistice Day or Veterans' Day, please feel free to post your memories of warriors either lost or returned, who served or who are still serving, of any country and any conflict, and of civilians lost because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I remember my father, Lt.Col. Gordon M. Wyant (b. Günter Maximilian Weiss), who served in the RAMC in WWII, and my uncle, Sgt. Edgar T. Wyant (b. Egon Weiss), who served in Italy with the 849th Signal Infantry Service, U.S. Army. I remember my grandfather's younger brother, Gefr. Arthur Weiss, 87th Reserve Infantry Regiment of Mainz, who was killed near Cernay-en-Dormois, France, on 15 May/1915 (Pesach) fighting for his country. I remember all my Suffolk uncles who served in British forces in WWII. Last year, I tried to find Arthur's grave in three immaculately kept German war cemeteries near Cernay-en-Dormois but could not. Each cemetery also had a mass plot holding hundreds and hundreds of unnamed German war dead from nearby battles of WWI. I can only assume he is resting in one of those. I also stood on Juno Beach and cried, remembering all the Canadians who stormed ashore at that place on 6 Jun/1944, many of whom now rest in the Canadian war cemetery at Beny-sur-Mer, a few kilometres inland, under the quiet shade of Canadian maple trees. May they rest in peace. Looking at the world today and the recent rise of racism, populism, nationalism, protectionism or fascism in many countries, western and non-western, I sometimes fear they died in vain. And I remember all the members of my extended family who perished in the Holocaust. Lest we forget. Peter SUFFOLK List Admin. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I would like to commemorate a great uncle Charles Dakin of Lavenham who was killed at Cambrai in France. His sister, my grandmother worked in munitions factory. I don't know where that was. She died of cancer in the 1920s less than a year after my mothers birth. I have always wondered if her death could have been connected to her work in munitions. Steve Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Nov 2018, at 16:31, Joy Dean via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Thank you. It was a privilege to read your remembrances. > > I remember my father Bill Brooks 1914 - 1987, who served in the RAMC in WWII, my father-in-law Reg Dean who served in the RAF in WWII, my father's cousin Ron Watts who served in Fighter Command in WWII. > > I empathise with you concerning your visit. I went on a D-Day Landing commemorative tour in 1984. A few years ago, I went on a battlefields tour of The Somme; Ploegsteert is where my father's uncle is commemorated: Arthur George Harrison, Machine Gun Corps, killed on my grandmother's birthday 20th May in 1918. My mother's cousin Andrew Newton Haig was killed 12th July 1915 in the Dardenelles, he is commemorated on the Gallipoli Helles Memorial; as my mother was born in 1911 I don't knew if she knew or knew of him. > > R.I.P. > > Joy Dean > > >> On 10/11/2018 15:13, P. S. Wyant wrote: >> Hello, Folks. >> >> As we do at this time every year on this List and this year especially (being the 100th anniversary of the WWI Armistice, the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht, and the 51st anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall), and whether you call it Remembrance Day, Armistice Day or Veterans' Day, please feel free to post your memories of warriors either lost or returned, who served or who are still serving, of any country and any conflict, and of civilians lost because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. >> >> I remember my father, Lt.Col. Gordon M. Wyant (b. Günter Maximilian Weiss), who served in the RAMC in WWII, and my uncle, Sgt. Edgar T. Wyant (b. Egon Weiss), who served in Italy with the 849th Signal Infantry Service, U.S. Army. I remember my grandfather's younger brother, Gefr. Arthur Weiss, 87th Reserve Infantry Regiment of Mainz, who was killed near Cernay-en-Dormois, France, on 15 May/1915 (Pesach) fighting for his country. I remember all my Suffolk uncles who served in British forces in WWII. >> >> Last year, I tried to find Arthur's grave in three immaculately kept German war cemeteries near Cernay-en-Dormois but could not. Each cemetery also had a mass plot holding hundreds and hundreds of unnamed German war dead from nearby battles of WWI. I can only assume he is resting in one of those. >> >> I also stood on Juno Beach and cried, remembering all the Canadians who stormed ashore at that place on 6 Jun/1944, many of whom now rest in the Canadian war cemetery at Beny-sur-Mer, a few kilometres inland, under the quiet shade of Canadian maple trees. May they rest in peace. Looking at the world today and the recent rise of racism, populism, nationalism, protectionism or fascism in many countries, western and non-western, I sometimes fear they died in vain. >> >> And I remember all the members of my extended family who perished in the Holocaust. >> >> Lest we forget. >> >> Peter >> SUFFOLK List Admin. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you. It was a privilege to read your remembrances. I remember my father Bill Brooks 1914 - 1987, who served in the RAMC in WWII, my father-in-law Reg Dean who served in the RAF in WWII, my father's cousin Ron Watts who served in Fighter Command in WWII. I empathise with you concerning your visit. I went on a D-Day Landing commemorative tour in 1984.  A few years ago,  I went on a battlefields tour of The Somme; Ploegsteert is where my father's uncle is commemorated: Arthur George Harrison, Machine Gun Corps, killed on my grandmother's birthday 20th May in 1918. My mother's cousin Andrew Newton Haig was killed 12th July 1915 in the Dardenelles, he is commemorated on the Gallipoli Helles Memorial; as my mother was born in 1911 I don't knew if she knew or knew of him. R.I.P. Joy Dean On 10/11/2018 15:13, P. S. Wyant wrote: > Hello, Folks. > > As we do at this time every year on this List and this year especially (being the 100th anniversary of the WWI Armistice, the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht, and the 51st anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall), and whether you call it Remembrance Day, Armistice Day or Veterans' Day, please feel free to post your memories of warriors either lost or returned, who served or who are still serving, of any country and any conflict, and of civilians lost because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. > > I remember my father, Lt.Col. Gordon M. Wyant (b. Günter Maximilian Weiss), who served in the RAMC in WWII, and my uncle, Sgt. Edgar T. Wyant (b. Egon Weiss), who served in Italy with the 849th Signal Infantry Service, U.S. Army. I remember my grandfather's younger brother, Gefr. Arthur Weiss, 87th Reserve Infantry Regiment of Mainz, who was killed near Cernay-en-Dormois, France, on 15 May/1915 (Pesach) fighting for his country. I remember all my Suffolk uncles who served in British forces in WWII. > > Last year, I tried to find Arthur's grave in three immaculately kept German war cemeteries near Cernay-en-Dormois but could not. Each cemetery also had a mass plot holding hundreds and hundreds of unnamed German war dead from nearby battles of WWI. I can only assume he is resting in one of those. > > I also stood on Juno Beach and cried, remembering all the Canadians who stormed ashore at that place on 6 Jun/1944, many of whom now rest in the Canadian war cemetery at Beny-sur-Mer, a few kilometres inland, under the quiet shade of Canadian maple trees. May they rest in peace. Looking at the world today and the recent rise of racism, populism, nationalism, protectionism or fascism in many countries, western and non-western, I sometimes fear they died in vain. > > And I remember all the members of my extended family who perished in the Holocaust. > > Lest we forget. > > Peter > SUFFOLK List Admin. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello, Folks. As we do at this time every year on this List and this year especially (being the 100th anniversary of the WWI Armistice, the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht, and the 51st anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall), and whether you call it Remembrance Day, Armistice Day or Veterans' Day, please feel free to post your memories of warriors either lost or returned, who served or who are still serving, of any country and any conflict, and of civilians lost because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I remember my father, Lt.Col. Gordon M. Wyant (b. Günter Maximilian Weiss), who served in the RAMC in WWII, and my uncle, Sgt. Edgar T. Wyant (b. Egon Weiss), who served in Italy with the 849th Signal Infantry Service, U.S. Army. I remember my grandfather's younger brother, Gefr. Arthur Weiss, 87th Reserve Infantry Regiment of Mainz, who was killed near Cernay-en-Dormois, France, on 15 May/1915 (Pesach) fighting for his country. I remember all my Suffolk uncles who served in British forces in WWII. Last year, I tried to find Arthur's grave in three immaculately kept German war cemeteries near Cernay-en-Dormois but could not. Each cemetery also had a mass plot holding hundreds and hundreds of unnamed German war dead from nearby battles of WWI. I can only assume he is resting in one of those. I also stood on Juno Beach and cried, remembering all the Canadians who stormed ashore at that place on 6 Jun/1944, many of whom now rest in the Canadian war cemetery at Beny-sur-Mer, a few kilometres inland, under the quiet shade of Canadian maple trees. May they rest in peace. Looking at the world today and the recent rise of racism, populism, nationalism, protectionism or fascism in many countries, western and non-western, I sometimes fear they died in vain. And I remember all the members of my extended family who perished in the Holocaust. Lest we forget. Peter SUFFOLK List Admin.

David, are you still in touch will Alf Girling of Australia who was researching the Girling family and used to be on this list? I had wanted to contact him, but haven't had a reply for a year or two, probably because of changed email addresses. Giles Giles Colchester Sent from my iPad > On 5 Nov 2018, at 15:32, David Vesey <veseybrown@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Mea Culpa > > Made a mistake in original email. > > Should be a Francis not John GIRLING marriage that is of interest. > > > Does anyone on the List belong to *_MyHeritage_* site. > There is a GIRLING family history file there which I cannot access . I am trying to find the marriage of a Francis Girling > circa 1560-80 probably in the Hadleigh / Otley area. With any luck he may have married an Alice GOSNOLD > d/o Robert Gosnold & Mary Vesey of Otley. > Any help most greatly appreciated. > David Vesey > Toronto Canada > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Mea Culpa Made a mistake in original email. Should be a Francis not John GIRLING marriage that is of interest. Does anyone on the List belong to *_MyHeritage_* site. There is a GIRLING family history file there which I cannot access . I am trying to find the marriage of a Francis Girling circa 1560-80 probably in the Hadleigh / Otley area. With any luck he may have married an Alice GOSNOLD d/o Robert Gosnold & Mary Vesey of Otley. Any help most greatly appreciated. David Vesey Toronto Canada

Does anyone on the List belong to *_MyHeritage_* site. There is a GIRLING family history file there which I cannot access . I am trying to find the marriage of a John Girling circa 1560-80 probably in the Hadleigh / Otley area. With any luck he may have married an Alice GOSNOLD d/o Robert Gosnold & Mary Vesey of Otley. Any help most greatly appreciated. David Vesey Toronto Canada

Thank you Geo, Don, Steve, Nivard and Anitra. Your help has been invaluable in finding Howe Farm on the old maps and thanks to those, on google maps as well. Thank you everyone who has helped, I really appreciate it. You guys are awesome. Paula On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 00:37, Anitra Baxter via SUFFOLK < suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Paula > > Just to add to what others have written, I have had a look at a modern > map "Street Atlas Suffolk" Howe farm is marked on the map and its on > Mill lane next door to Clamp Farm as mentioned by Nivard Ovington. > > Anitra > > On 21/10/2018 00:44, Paula Hadgraft wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Paula Just to add to what others have written, I have had a look at a modern map "Street Atlas Suffolk" Howe farm is marked on the map and its on Mill lane next door to Clamp Farm as mentioned by Nivard Ovington. Anitra On 21/10/2018 00:44, Paula Hadgraft wrote:

Hi Paula If you go to googlemaps and enter 1 Clamp Farm Barn, Stowmarket IP14 5BP Its on Mill Lane south west of Creeting St Peter That is the location of Creeting Howe Farm on an 1884 OS map which I suspect is where you are looking for If you go to https://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=10&lat=51.4534&lon=-0.2205&layers=102&b=1&point=0,0 Enter Creeting and select the first option "Creeting St Peter or West Creeting" Then click on the map square with Creeting St Peter top right of the square On the right will appear icons for the available maps and years (NB I find right clicking on the icon and open in new tab or window to be the best way to navigate) In 1901 they are at Howe Farm, next to Clamp Farm which is the next Farm to Creeting Howe Farm on the map The next household in 1901, Braziers Hall is on the next map above just north of Creeting Howe Farm Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 21/10/2018 00:44, Paula Hadgraft wrote: > Hi all, > > I was just wondering if anyone happens to have a map of Creeting St. Peter > from the late 1890's or there abouts, that may show the location of Howe > Farm on it? > > My 2nd great grandfather William Baxter, along with Charles Southgate are > both listed in the census and electoral registers as being at this farm > from 1897-1907. There are some years on the electoral registers on FMP that > aren't listed so this is just a rough estimate of the time period. > > I tried looking on google maps but couldn't find anything, I also tried > doing a search on google but nothing popped up in regards to a location. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Paula Hadgraft > Melbourne, Australia

Hi Paula If you manage to locate it, I'm happy to take photos of the site, as we live very close to Creeting Regards Steve (Everson Tricker) Sent from my iPhone > On 21 Oct 2018, at 09:12, Rudd Family <rudd.family.history@gmail.com> wrote: > > Try https://www.old-maps.co.uk <https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/> > > It allows you to look at maps from different dates for most arears of the UK. > > Don > >> On 21/10/2018 00:44, Paula Hadgraft wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I was just wondering if anyone happens to have a map of Creeting St. Peter >> from the late 1890's or there abouts, that may show the location of Howe >> Farm on it? >> >> My 2nd great grandfather William Baxter, along with Charles Southgate are >> both listed in the census and electoral registers as being at this farm >> from 1897-1907. There are some years on the electoral registers on FMP that >> aren't listed so this is just a rough estimate of the time period. >> >> I tried looking on google maps but couldn't find anything, I also tried >> doing a search on google but nothing popped up in regards to a location. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Paula Hadgraft >> Melbourne, Australia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Try https://www.old-maps.co.uk <https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/> It allows you to look at maps from different dates for most arears of the UK. Don On 21/10/2018 00:44, Paula Hadgraft wrote: > Hi all, > > I was just wondering if anyone happens to have a map of Creeting St. Peter > from the late 1890's or there abouts, that may show the location of Howe > Farm on it? > > My 2nd great grandfather William Baxter, along with Charles Southgate are > both listed in the census and electoral registers as being at this farm > from 1897-1907. There are some years on the electoral registers on FMP that > aren't listed so this is just a rough estimate of the time period. > > I tried looking on google maps but couldn't find anything, I also tried > doing a search on google but nothing popped up in regards to a location. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Paula Hadgraft > Melbourne, Australia > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone happens to have a map of Creeting St. Peter from the late 1890's or there abouts, that may show the location of Howe Farm on it? My 2nd great grandfather William Baxter, along with Charles Southgate are both listed in the census and electoral registers as being at this farm from 1897-1907. There are some years on the electoral registers on FMP that aren't listed so this is just a rough estimate of the time period. I tried looking on google maps but couldn't find anything, I also tried doing a search on google but nothing popped up in regards to a location. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Paula Hadgraft Melbourne, Australia

Hi all, I thought I would share this for anyone new to Suffolk research that doesn't know about this website. http://www.foxearth.org.uk/index.html They have transcriptions from some Suffolk newspapers that would greatly help if your ancestor is mentioned in them. There is quite a number of other things on their website that may be of interest as well. Hope this helps someone. Paula Hadgraft Melbourne, Australia

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 Suffolk FreeCen project. Another two pieces have been uploaded to the on line database and are now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk These are pieces RG121485 Blything which covers the parishes of Blackheath, Blyford, Brampton, Easton Bavents, Henham, Holton, Reydon, Sotherton, Southwold, Stoven, Uggeshall, Wangford, Wenhaston, Westhall. RG121493 Lowestoft which covers the parish of Lowestoft This means that there are now 217,641 (63.5%) 1891 Suffolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have given their time freely to help the project without their help this information would not be available. Best wishes Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Suffolk 1841, 1871, 1891 Cambridge 1861, 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

I am writing to provide an update on the 1871 Suffolk FreeCen project. Another piece has been uploaded to the on line database and is now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk This is piece RG101744 Needham Market which covers the parishes Battisford, Badley, Barking, Darmsden, Baylham, Great Blakenham, Little Blakenham, Nettlestead, Bramford, Willisham Great Bricett. This means that there are now 166,087 (54.2%) 1871 Suffolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have given their time freely to help the project without their help this information would not be available. There is still much to be done and if you would like to help please contact me on bev.howlett56@gmail.com I still have some 1871 areas available for transcription so if you fancy having a go please contact me. The information is available in digital format and can be sent via email. -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Suffolk 1841, 1871, 1891 Cambridge 1861, 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

Re the Censu v Electoral Register. Just a thought, as the Census is a record of where someone happened to be on Census day could it not also be affected by the the occupation? They might have a permanent residence for voting but if their job requires them to travel from place to place where the work happens to that would result in their being recorded elsewhwere. Obviously if they are recorded with their whole family etc that might not be the answer ! Ian (Aldrich, Seaman, Gooding) > On 12 Oct 2018, at 21:52, suffolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Send SUFFOLK mailing list submissions to suffolk@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SUFFOLK digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Suffolk Electoral Registers (Paula Hadgraft) > 2. Re: Suffolk Electoral Registers (lummis@btinternet.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2018 06:29:21 +1100 > From: Paula Hadgraft <paula.hadgraft@gmail.com> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Suffolk Electoral Registers > To: suffolk@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CA+3V0EwyKV9Wpvb279hOhYpmo5JS9_14NVnQHg+41e+0-JLE5g@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi, I've just been looking at the electoral registers on FMP for my 2nd > great grandfather William Baxter. > > Just to set things up for you all. In the 1881 census he was listed in > Sotherton. In the 1891 census he is listed in Wetheringsett cum Brockford. > In 1901 census he is in Creeting St. Peter. > > Now I've been looking in the 1892, 1893 & 1894 electoral registers, but the > only entry I can find for him is listed at the same address he was at in > 1881 in Sotherton. > > Were voters required to change addresses with the government for voting > requirements when they moved back then, does anyone know? Also how common > would this be? Would he have had to return to Sotherton to vote? > > When creating an event for these, what would be the best way to indicate > the discrepancy regarding the census addresses versus electoral registers? > > Any ideas would be great. Thanks. > > Paula Hadgraft > Melbourne, Australia > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 20:52:29 +0100 > From: <lummis@btinternet.com> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Suffolk Electoral Registers > To: <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <09f501d46265$1be92470$53bb6d50$@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Paula > > If you want to find out all about the Electoral Registers there is a very > detailed description provided by the British Library at > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bl.uk_britishlibrary_-7E_media_subjects-2520images_government-2520publ&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_jOIZWAdXk-WDBHAxNnHjDrx7FosjGQwOhDmHxWhDDU&m=LLJxgNl50ITxeMPZjt_x6gElvu2Hxdh5VUC4MQXHzMA&s=jk7GmAggXZJhegHbaJnfe8BI54k-CmBxDrTaz1LCyQc&e= > ications/pdfs/parliamentaryconstituencies.pdf > > The voting rights did not depend just upon place of residence but also > ownership of property. In the entries that you have found there will be a > Letter Code against the name detailing how the person was entitled to a vote > - these codes are detailed at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.electoralregisters.org.uk_codes.htm&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_jOIZWAdXk-WDBHAxNnHjDrx7FosjGQwOhDmHxWhDDU&m=LLJxgNl50ITxeMPZjt_x6gElvu2Hxdh5VUC4MQXHzMA&s=zARwZ76S4ZGZ77kWZMaZPSFgX3gJeD26Ko953UXj5v8&e= > with a much shorter description of the Electoral Registers. > > Hopefully this may help to answer your query. > > Brian >

Hi Paula If you want to find out all about the Electoral Registers there is a very detailed description provided by the British Library at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bl.uk_britishlibrary_-7E_media_subjects-2520images_government-2520publ&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_jOIZWAdXk-WDBHAxNnHjDrx7FosjGQwOhDmHxWhDDU&m=LLJxgNl50ITxeMPZjt_x6gElvu2Hxdh5VUC4MQXHzMA&s=jk7GmAggXZJhegHbaJnfe8BI54k-CmBxDrTaz1LCyQc&e= ications/pdfs/parliamentaryconstituencies.pdf The voting rights did not depend just upon place of residence but also ownership of property. In the entries that you have found there will be a Letter Code against the name detailing how the person was entitled to a vote - these codes are detailed at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.electoralregisters.org.uk_codes.htm&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_jOIZWAdXk-WDBHAxNnHjDrx7FosjGQwOhDmHxWhDDU&m=LLJxgNl50ITxeMPZjt_x6gElvu2Hxdh5VUC4MQXHzMA&s=zARwZ76S4ZGZ77kWZMaZPSFgX3gJeD26Ko953UXj5v8&e= with a much shorter description of the Electoral Registers. Hopefully this may help to answer your query. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Paula Hadgraft <paula.hadgraft@gmail.com> Sent: 12 October 2018 20:29 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Suffolk Electoral Registers Hi, I've just been looking at the electoral registers on FMP for my 2nd great grandfather William Baxter. Just to set things up for you all. In the 1881 census he was listed in Sotherton. In the 1891 census he is listed in Wetheringsett cum Brockford. In 1901 census he is in Creeting St. Peter. Now I've been looking in the 1892, 1893 & 1894 electoral registers, but the only entry I can find for him is listed at the same address he was at in 1881 in Sotherton. Were voters required to change addresses with the government for voting requirements when they moved back then, does anyone know? Also how common would this be? Would he have had to return to Sotherton to vote? When creating an event for these, what would be the best way to indicate the discrepancy regarding the census addresses versus electoral registers? Any ideas would be great. Thanks. Paula Hadgraft Melbourne, Australia _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_jOIZWAdXk-WDBHAxNnHjDrx7FosjGQwOhDmHxWhDDU&m=LLJxgNl50ITxeMPZjt_x6gElvu2Hxdh5VUC4MQXHzMA&s=NUdClGBZz02XJHTEqNlBYAYJATq1Aeh4R4AOSStr-Yk&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_jOIZWAdXk-WDBHAxNnHjDrx7FosjGQwOhDmHxWhDDU&m=LLJxgNl50ITxeMPZjt_x6gElvu2Hxdh5VUC4MQXHzMA&s=wh9UlA5R1A1QL-gk0gSUZL5WtFfSQXyCLUqXkriRTxo&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_jOIZWAdXk-WDBHAxNnHjDrx7FosjGQwOhDmHxWhDDU&m=LLJxgNl50ITxeMPZjt_x6gElvu2Hxdh5VUC4MQXHzMA&s=8BLIgkzKpDnaPu6eFII52neYyq3zzm4-Q-lhhh4ADrA&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi, I've just been looking at the electoral registers on FMP for my 2nd great grandfather William Baxter. Just to set things up for you all. In the 1881 census he was listed in Sotherton. In the 1891 census he is listed in Wetheringsett cum Brockford. In 1901 census he is in Creeting St. Peter. Now I've been looking in the 1892, 1893 & 1894 electoral registers, but the only entry I can find for him is listed at the same address he was at in 1881 in Sotherton. Were voters required to change addresses with the government for voting requirements when they moved back then, does anyone know? Also how common would this be? Would he have had to return to Sotherton to vote? When creating an event for these, what would be the best way to indicate the discrepancy regarding the census addresses versus electoral registers? Any ideas would be great. Thanks. Paula Hadgraft Melbourne, Australia

I am writing to provide an update on the 1871 Suffolk FreeCen project. Another piece has been uploaded to the on line database and is now searchable for free on the main freecen site at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.freecen.org.uk&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_jOIZWAdXk-WDBHAxNnHjDrx7FosjGQwOhDmHxWhDDU&m=63VhTAbSqRESjNl9GhcsZzpWOTgsV87wklCqwDdBHxc&s=08v4vFktULWzd8zja1XymJ6wKcDh2JZfxUyk2urMjKA&e= This is piece RG101720 Lavenham which covers the parishes of Bildeston Brent Eleigh, Brettenham, Chelsworth, Cockfield, Hitcham, Kettlebaston, Lavenham This means that there are now 162,629 (52.3%) 1871 Suffolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have given their time freely to help the project without their help this information would not be available. There is still much to be done and if you would like to help please contact me on bev.howlett56@gmail.com I still have some 1871 areas available for transcription so if you fancy having a go please contact me. The information is available in digital format and can be sent via email. For 1891 I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 Suffolk FreeCen project. Another piece has been uploaded to the on line database and is now searchable for free on the main freecen site at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.freecen.org.uk&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_jOIZWAdXk-WDBHAxNnHjDrx7FosjGQwOhDmHxWhDDU&m=63VhTAbSqRESjNl9GhcsZzpWOTgsV87wklCqwDdBHxc&s=08v4vFktULWzd8zja1XymJ6wKcDh2JZfxUyk2urMjKA&e= This is piece RG121489 Wangford which covers the parishes of Barsham, Beccles, North Cove, Redisham, Ringsfield Shadingfield, Shipmeadow, Sotterley, St Andrew, Weston, Willingham, Worlingham This means that there are now 207,812 (60.3%) 1891 Suffolk census records available to search free on line -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Suffolk 1841, 1871, 1891 Cambridge 1861, 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__myweb.tiscali.co.uk_bevsnorfolkinfo_&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_jOIZWAdXk-WDBHAxNnHjDrx7FosjGQwOhDmHxWhDDU&m=63VhTAbSqRESjNl9GhcsZzpWOTgsV87wklCqwDdBHxc&s=CXrW7tXInLUItINZIMLYZeuMJ_-8pwXcwgDFa0Ji1g4&e= https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.freecen.org.uk&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_jOIZWAdXk-WDBHAxNnHjDrx7FosjGQwOhDmHxWhDDU&m=63VhTAbSqRESjNl9GhcsZzpWOTgsV87wklCqwDdBHxc&s=08v4vFktULWzd8zja1XymJ6wKcDh2JZfxUyk2urMjKA&e=