Have not come across this word anywhere but I wonder if it could be ‘outfitter’ which was one who fitted out ships after they  were built? Just guess really but this is a listed occupation. Chris Hicks From: Brian Sillett via SUFFOLK Sent: 02 December 2018 19:00 To: Suffolk Cc: Brian Sillett Subject: [SFK-UK] Ship money returns I am not sure what an outsetter or outsitter is on the Ship Money Returns. Does it refer to a person who was due to pay for property in that parish who was not resident there? Brian Sillett _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Could it be outfitter ,the f's and s's can look alike Margaret Walker Jacobson > On December 2, 2018 at 1:55 PM Brian Sillett via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > I am not sure what an outsetter or outsitter is on the Ship Money Returns. Does it refer to a person who was due to pay for property in that parish who was not resident there? > > Brian Sillett > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I am not sure what an outsetter or outsitter is on the Ship Money Returns. Does it refer to a person who was due to pay for property in that parish who was not resident there? Brian Sillett

Thanks David Gobbitt for these transcripts! Barbara Turnham On 12/1/2018 4:02 AM, suffolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send SUFFOLK mailing list submissions to suffolk@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SUFFOLK digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Blything Hundred taxpayers in 1642 (David Gobbitt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:00:18 +0000 (UTC) > From: David Gobbitt <davidgobbitt@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Blything Hundred taxpayers in 1642 > To: "suffolk@rootsweb.com" <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1401529722.463332.1543582818680@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > The Suffolk schoolteacher and historian Vincent Burrough Redstone (1853-1941) produced several books of enduring value, such as The Ship-Money Returns for the County of Suffolk, 1639-40 (https://archive.org/details/cu31924030265544/page/n5). > > Much of his extensive unpublished work is in the Redstone Collection at the Suffolk Record Office (SRO) in Ipswich, catalogued as HD11/1 (accessions 4291 and 10,636). This includes a transcript (HD11/1 : 4921/10.14) listing the taxpayers in all but two of the parishes in Blything Hundred who were assessed in 1642 (a few months before the Civil War) for a grant to fund the "necessary defence and great affaires of the Kingdomes of England and Ireland and for the payment of debts undertaken by the Parliament". > > Frostenden and Wrentham, the two parishes omitted by Redstone, are also missing from his ship-money book. However, transcripts of their May 1642 assessments are now available at https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804448.0, along with information about the original parchment roll (E1/25), which, despite its eastern provenance, is now held by the SRO in Bury St Edmunds. > > The National Archives has similar rolls from Aldeburgh, Ipswich and the hundreds of Blackbourn, Samford, Thedwastre and Wangford. I am not aware of any transcripts of these. > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the SUFFOLK list administrator, send an email to suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com > > To post a message to the SUFFOLK mailing list -- suffolk@rootsweb.com, send an email to suffolk@rootsweb.com > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------ > > End of SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 13, Issue 80 > *************************************** >

The Suffolk schoolteacher and historian Vincent Burrough Redstone (1853-1941) produced several books of enduring value, such as The Ship-Money Returns for the County of Suffolk, 1639-40 (https://archive.org/details/cu31924030265544/page/n5). Much of his extensive unpublished work is in the Redstone Collection at the Suffolk Record Office (SRO) in Ipswich, catalogued as HD11/1 (accessions 4291 and 10,636). This includes a transcript (HD11/1 : 4921/10.14) listing the taxpayers in all but two of the parishes in Blything Hundred who were assessed in 1642 (a few months before the Civil War) for a grant to fund the "necessary defence and great affaires of the Kingdomes of England and Ireland and for the payment of debts undertaken by the Parliament". Frostenden and Wrentham, the two parishes omitted by Redstone, are also missing from his ship-money book. However, transcripts of their May 1642 assessments are now available at https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804448.0, along with information about the original parchment roll (E1/25), which, despite its eastern provenance, is now held by the SRO in Bury St Edmunds. The National Archives has similar rolls from Aldeburgh, Ipswich and the hundreds of Blackbourn, Samford, Thedwastre and Wangford. I am not aware of any transcripts of these.

Further to Re: Request for WW1 Casualty please (Nivard Ovington) > Just following up on my earlier email... Gunner Rist was serving on the Silvercedar. See attached link. https://uboat.net/allies/merchants/crews/ship1153.html Ian Sent from my iPad

> Follow up re:Request for WW1 Casualty please (Nivard Ovington) Just out of curiosity I followed the Wikipedia link to shipwrecks.... How sad to see the toll the convoys took... What caught my eye was that the Empire Heron mentioned below with one survivor was picked up by HMS Gladiolus. Two days later she herself was sunk with the loss of all hands and the survivor from Empire Heron ...... Sent from my iPad > On 17 Nov 2018, at 10:02, suffolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Send SUFFOLK mailing list submissions to suffolk@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SUFFOLK digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Request for WW1 Casualty please (Nivard Ovington) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 13:00:52 +0000 > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Request for WW1 Casualty please > To: suffolk@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8831f0c4-1c20-80db-34ba-1e2c51a37860@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Hi Dawn > > I presume you mean the CWGC was the site > > <https://www.cwgc.org/search-results?term=Montague%20Rist%20&name=Montague%20Rist%20&fullname=Montague%20Rist%20> > > Gunner RIST, MONTAGUE CHARLES > > Service Number 1520399 > > Died 15/10/1941 > > 7/4 Maritime Regt. > Royal Artillery > > Son of Isaac and Rosa Mary Rist, of Mistley, Essex. > > Also listed in the Army Roll of Honour > > Name: Montague Rist > Given Initials: M > Rank: Gunner > Death Date: 15 Oct 1941 > Number: 1520399 > Birth Place: Suffolk > Residence: Essex > Branch at Enlistment: Royal Artillery > Theatre of War: At sea > Regiment at Death: Royal Artillery > Branch at Death: Royal Artillery > > The administration of his estate in 1942 > > RIST Montague Charles of Church Farm Mistley Essex died 15 Oct 1941 on > war service Administration Ipswich 1 July to Isaac RIST Farmer > Effects £177 10s > > I can find his attestation in 1938, plus casualty list (missing) and > (KIA) but none so far mention the ship he was on > > Assuming he died on the day the ship was sunk there were two UK ships > listed as sunk on that day > > The Empire Heron > > And the Silvercedar > > Both part of the same convoy by the looks of it and both torpedoed > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shipwrecks_in_October_1941 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> > ***************************************

Hi Dawn I presume you mean the CWGC was the site <https://www.cwgc.org/search-results?term=Montague%20Rist%20&name=Montague%20Rist%20&fullname=Montague%20Rist%20> Gunner RIST, MONTAGUE CHARLES Service Number 1520399 Died 15/10/1941 7/4 Maritime Regt. Royal Artillery Son of Isaac and Rosa Mary Rist, of Mistley, Essex. Also listed in the Army Roll of Honour Name: Montague Rist Given Initials: M Rank: Gunner Death Date: 15 Oct 1941 Number: 1520399 Birth Place: Suffolk Residence: Essex Branch at Enlistment: Royal Artillery Theatre of War: At sea Regiment at Death: Royal Artillery Branch at Death: Royal Artillery The administration of his estate in 1942 RIST Montague Charles of Church Farm Mistley Essex died 15 Oct 1941 on war service Administration Ipswich 1 July to Isaac RIST Farmer Effects £177 10s I can find his attestation in 1938, plus casualty list (missing) and (KIA) but none so far mention the ship he was on Assuming he died on the day the ship was sunk there were two UK ships listed as sunk on that day The Empire Heron And the Silvercedar Both part of the same convoy by the looks of it and both torpedoed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shipwrecks_in_October_1941 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/11/2018 05:38, dnachtigall wrote: > Hi,  My ancestor Montague Charles RIST  joined the Maritime Regiment > with the Royal Artillery  in WW1, a Gunner ,and they accompanied the > Conveys to and from America. On October 15 1941 the ship was torpedoed - > later Isaac(his father)was told that in the panic of getting off the > ship someone kicked Monty in the face and he drowned.  I was able  to > get his Service # 1520399.  I am not able  to find the ship he was on or > any other info.  The old website I used to be able to access and print > out the info no longer is available and I was wondering if  someone > could please help? > > Thankyou  Dawn in Canada

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 Suffolk FreeCen project. Another three pieces have been uploaded to the on line database and are now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk These are pieces RG121487 Wangford which covers the parishes of Flixton, Holy Trinity, Homersfield, Mettingham, St Cross, St James, St John , St Lawrence, St Margaret, St Margaret, St Mary, St Michael, St Nicholas, St Peter. RG121488 Wangford which covers the parish of Beccles RG121496 Mutford which covers the parish of Gorleston This means that there are now 235,173 (68.3%) 1891 Suffolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have given their time freely to help the project without their help this information would not be available. Best wishes Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Suffolk 1841, 1871, 1891 Cambridge 1861, 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://www.freecen.org.uk

Hi,  My ancestor Montague Charles RIST  joined the Maritime Regiment with the Royal Artillery  in WW1, a Gunner ,and they accompanied the Conveys to and from America. On October 15 1941 the ship was torpedoed - later Isaac(his father)was told that in the panic of getting off the ship someone kicked Monty in the face and he drowned.  I was able  to get his Service # 1520399.  I am not able  to find the ship he was on or any other info.  The old website I used to be able to access and print out the info no longer is available and I was wondering if  someone could please help? Thankyou  Dawn in Canada On 2018-11-15 3:39 PM, suffolk-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send SUFFOLK mailing list submissions to suffolk@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SUFFOLK digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Samuel Sore and Alice Wham (David Gobbitt) > 2. Samuel Sore and Alice Wham (Liz Maxwell) > 3. Re: Samuel Sore and Alice Wham (Liz Maxwell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:33:57 +0000 (UTC) > From: David Gobbitt <davidgobbitt@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Samuel Sore and Alice Wham > To: "suffolk@rootsweb.com" <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <660141641.1639291.1542285237829@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello Liz > > Alice WHAM married Samuel SORE at Ipswich St Margaret on 25 December 1814 (Suffolk FHS marriage index). > > She appears to have been baptized at Stanton All Saints in 1787, a daughter of John WHAM and Alice SMITH, who had married in the neighbouring village of Bardwell (about 11 miles NE of Bury St Edmunds) in 1784 (FamiySearch.org). > > That could explain her name in a death notice published by the Bury and Norwich Post on 26 January 1853: > > "On the 21st inst., after a long affliction, in her 66th year, Alice Smith, widow of the late Mr. Samuel Gardener Sore, cooper, of Abbeygate-street, in this town." > > David > ________________________________ > From: Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> > To: Suffolk <Suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 5:47 > Subject: [SFK-UK] Samuel Sore and Alice Wham > > Good Afternoon, > > I have the above persons in my family tree. and I am hoping that someone can help me to fill in a few gaps > > Samuel Sore and Alice Wham married ? parents ? > > They had 6 children all born Bury St Edmunds Hannah Maria b 1815, John b 1816, Samuel B 1817 , Georgiana b 1819 ,Emma b1820 and Emily b 1829 > > >From the 1851 census Samuel and Alice were born Bury (Bury St Edmunds ?) Suffolk act 1791 and on both the 1841 and 1851 Samuel’s occupation was a “cooper” . > > On a “UK register of paid for apprentices Indentures “ I have found a Sam Sore master, location Bury St Edmunds Suffolk., Cooper. Payment due 30/04/1783. > > Also a Land Tax Redemption 1798 Cook Row. Both tenant and proprietor are Saml Sore.Residence St Mary, Bury St Edmunds,Suffolk England > > I am wondering if this Samuel is possibly the father of Samuel b 1791 and if so is there any way of proving it. It seems a coincidence that both Samuels are “coopers." > > Thank you > > Liz maxwell > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:51:47 +1100 > From: Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Samuel Sore and Alice Wham > To: Brian Lummis via Suffolk <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2A45C8F3-6D2A-4778-B1F2-58813A772F54@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thank you Brian for the birth and baptism of Samuel Gardener Sore. Wonder where the Gardener came from? ,possibly a family name. They names their first son John and second Samuel . So looks like the name Samuel was passed down > > Thanks once again > > Liz > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:39:25 +1100 > From: Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Samuel Sore and Alice Wham > To: David Gobbitt <davidgobbitt@yahoo.co.uk>, Suffolk > <suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <91E8D245-6C21-40DC-A59F-940E4836BA2F@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi David, > > Thank you for the information. I got out my road atlas of the Uk and found the places where the Sore and Wham families lived. > > I have found a death for Samuel Sore July 1851 bury St Edmunds and as Alice died in 1853 it is possible that it is the right man. I wonder what her long affliction was ? > > Thanks once again > > Liz > > > >> On 15 Nov 2018, at 11:33 PM, David Gobbitt via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Liz >> >> Alice WHAM married Samuel SORE at Ipswich St Margaret on 25 December 1814 (Suffolk FHS marriage index). >> >> She appears to have been baptized at Stanton All Saints in 1787, a daughter of John WHAM and Alice SMITH, who had married in the neighbouring village of Bardwell (about 11 miles NE of Bury St Edmunds) in 1784 (FamiySearch.org). >> >> That could explain her name in a death notice published by the Bury and Norwich Post on 26 January 1853: >> >> "On the 21st inst., after a long affliction, in her 66th year, Alice Smith, widow of the late Mr. Samuel Gardener Sore, cooper, of Abbeygate-street, in this town." >> >> David >> ________________________________ >> From: Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> >> To: Suffolk <Suffolk@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 5:47 >> Subject: [SFK-UK] Samuel Sore and Alice Wham >> >> Good Afternoon, >> >> I have the above persons in my family tree. and I am hoping that someone can help me to fill in a few gaps >> >> Samuel Sore and Alice Wham married ? parents ? >> >> They had 6 children all born Bury St Edmunds Hannah Maria b 1815, John b 1816, Samuel B 1817 , Georgiana b 1819 ,Emma b1820 and Emily b 1829 >> >> From the 1851 census Samuel and Alice were born Bury (Bury St Edmunds ?) Suffolk act 1791 and on both the 1841 and 1851 Samuel’s occupation was a “cooper” . >> >> On a “UK register of paid for apprentices Indentures “ I have found a Sam Sore master, location Bury St Edmunds Suffolk., Cooper. Payment due 30/04/1783. >> >> Also a Land Tax Redemption 1798 Cook Row. Both tenant and proprietor are Saml Sore.Residence St Mary, Bury St Edmunds,Suffolk England >> >> I am wondering if this Samuel is possibly the father of Samuel b 1791 and if so is there any way of proving it. It seems a coincidence that both Samuels are “coopers." >> >> Thank you >> >> Liz maxwell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the SUFFOLK list administrator, send an email to suffolk-owner@rootsweb.com > > To post a message to the SUFFOLK mailing list -- suffolk@rootsweb.com, send an email to suffolk@rootsweb.com > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to suffolk-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------ > > End of SUFFOLK Digest, Vol 13, Issue 76 > ***************************************

Hi David, Thank you for the information. I got out my road atlas of the Uk and found the places where the Sore and Wham families lived. I have found a death for Samuel Sore July 1851 bury St Edmunds and as Alice died in 1853 it is possible that it is the right man. I wonder what her long affliction was ? Thanks once again Liz > On 15 Nov 2018, at 11:33 PM, David Gobbitt via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello Liz > > Alice WHAM married Samuel SORE at Ipswich St Margaret on 25 December 1814 (Suffolk FHS marriage index). > > She appears to have been baptized at Stanton All Saints in 1787, a daughter of John WHAM and Alice SMITH, who had married in the neighbouring village of Bardwell (about 11 miles NE of Bury St Edmunds) in 1784 (FamiySearch.org). > > That could explain her name in a death notice published by the Bury and Norwich Post on 26 January 1853: > > "On the 21st inst., after a long affliction, in her 66th year, Alice Smith, widow of the late Mr. Samuel Gardener Sore, cooper, of Abbeygate-street, in this town." > > David > ________________________________ > From: Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> > To: Suffolk <Suffolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 5:47 > Subject: [SFK-UK] Samuel Sore and Alice Wham > > Good Afternoon, > > I have the above persons in my family tree. and I am hoping that someone can help me to fill in a few gaps > > Samuel Sore and Alice Wham married ? parents ? > > They had 6 children all born Bury St Edmunds Hannah Maria b 1815, John b 1816, Samuel B 1817 , Georgiana b 1819 ,Emma b1820 and Emily b 1829 > > From the 1851 census Samuel and Alice were born Bury (Bury St Edmunds ?) Suffolk act 1791 and on both the 1841 and 1851 Samuel’s occupation was a “cooper” . > > On a “UK register of paid for apprentices Indentures “ I have found a Sam Sore master, location Bury St Edmunds Suffolk., Cooper. Payment due 30/04/1783. > > Also a Land Tax Redemption 1798 Cook Row. Both tenant and proprietor are Saml Sore.Residence St Mary, Bury St Edmunds,Suffolk England > > I am wondering if this Samuel is possibly the father of Samuel b 1791 and if so is there any way of proving it. It seems a coincidence that both Samuels are “coopers." > > Thank you > > Liz maxwell > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you Brian for the birth and baptism of Samuel Gardener Sore. Wonder where the Gardener came from? ,possibly a family name. They names their first son John and second Samuel . So looks like the name Samuel was passed down Thanks once again Liz

Hello Liz Alice WHAM married Samuel SORE at Ipswich St Margaret on 25 December 1814 (Suffolk FHS marriage index). She appears to have been baptized at Stanton All Saints in 1787, a daughter of John WHAM and Alice SMITH, who had married in the neighbouring village of Bardwell (about 11 miles NE of Bury St Edmunds) in 1784 (FamiySearch.org). That could explain her name in a death notice published by the Bury and Norwich Post on 26 January 1853: "On the 21st inst., after a long affliction, in her 66th year, Alice Smith, widow of the late Mr. Samuel Gardener Sore, cooper, of Abbeygate-street, in this town." David ________________________________ From: Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> To: Suffolk <Suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 5:47 Subject: [SFK-UK] Samuel Sore and Alice Wham Good Afternoon, I have the above persons in my family tree. and I am hoping that someone can help me to fill in a few gaps Samuel Sore and Alice Wham married ? parents ? They had 6 children all born Bury St Edmunds Hannah Maria b 1815, John b 1816, Samuel B 1817 , Georgiana b 1819 ,Emma b1820 and Emily b 1829 From the 1851 census Samuel and Alice were born Bury (Bury St Edmunds ?) Suffolk act 1791 and on both the 1841 and 1851 Samuel’s occupation was a “cooper” . On a “UK register of paid for apprentices Indentures “ I have found a Sam Sore master, location Bury St Edmunds Suffolk., Cooper. Payment due 30/04/1783. Also a Land Tax Redemption 1798 Cook Row. Both tenant and proprietor are Saml Sore.Residence St Mary, Bury St Edmunds,Suffolk England I am wondering if this Samuel is possibly the father of Samuel b 1791 and if so is there any way of proving it. It seems a coincidence that both Samuels are “coopers." Thank you Liz maxwell

Just noticed that there is a John Sore baptised in 1767 and his father was Samuel. Samuel was buried 7Th Jan 1850 at St Mary's, Bury St Edmunds. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Brian Lummis via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: 14 November 2018 08:14 Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Samuel Sore and Alice Wham Maybe John's father and/or brother was Samuel.

Hello Liz There is a baptism of a Samuel Gardener Sore on 10th February 1791 at St Mary's Bury St Edmunds, parents were John and Christian (late Cutmore). The birth date is given as 11th September 1789. Maybe John's father and/or brother was Samuel. Brian On 14 November 2018 5:47:27 am Liz Maxwell <lizmax@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > From the 1851 census Samuel and Alice were born Bury (Bury St Edmunds ?) > Suffolk act 1791 and on both the 1841 and 1851 Samuel’s occupation was a > “cooper” . > > > > > > > I am wondering if this Samuel is possibly the father of Samuel b 1791 and > if so is there any way of proving it. It seems a coincidence that both > Samuels are “coopers".

Good Afternoon, I have the above persons in my family tree. and I am hoping that someone can help me to fill in a few gaps Samuel Sore and Alice Wham married ? parents ? They had 6 children all born Bury St Edmunds Hannah Maria b 1815, John b 1816, Samuel B 1817 , Georgiana b 1819 ,Emma b1820 and Emily b 1829 From the 1851 census Samuel and Alice were born Bury (Bury St Edmunds ?) Suffolk act 1791 and on both the 1841 and 1851 Samuel’s occupation was a “cooper” . On a “UK register of paid for apprentices Indentures “ I have found a Sam Sore master, location Bury St Edmunds Suffolk., Cooper. Payment due 30/04/1783. Also a Land Tax Redemption 1798 Cook Row. Both tenant and proprietor are Saml Sore.Residence St Mary, Bury St Edmunds,Suffolk England I am wondering if this Samuel is possibly the father of Samuel b 1791 and if so is there any way of proving it. It seems a coincidence that both Samuels are “coopers." Thank you Liz maxwell

In remembrance of Pte Harry Bowyer 2nd Bn Suffolks died of wounds 11-4-1917 aged 23, Husband of Dorothy nee Loveday who were married 31-5-1915. Commerated on Arras Memorial.Enlisted Haverhill Brother to Thomas and George details below $ brothers enlisted Also in remembrance Pte Thomas Bowyer 2nd Bn Suffolks died 13-11-16 aged 21 Brother of Mrs Emily Mayes commerated Thiepval Memorial Somme. Enlisted Haverhill.Also in remembrance of Pte George Bowyer 8th Bn Royal Fusiliers died 6-10-1916  aged 34. Commemorated Bancourt British Cemetery..These three were sons of Elijan and Eliabeth Bowyer of Kedington.Also in remembrance of Pte Frederic William Snell Bowyer 1st/28th Bn London Regiment {Artists Rifles] died 30-9-1918 aged 19 commemorated at Cambrai East Military Cemetery. Son of Frank and Rose A Bowyer of Kirtling Place Newmarket.Finally in remembrance of Pte William Elijah Bradford 8th Bn Royal Fusiliers died 2-7-1917 aged 26 commemorated  at Arras Memorial. Son of Arthur and Ellen Bradford of Great Wratting, husband of Ethel Bradford. He is related to George Bowyer by marriage.A contact of mine went to these cemeteries last week-end to obtain photos and place crosses and poppies where possible of the graves and memorials. Incidentally my grandmother was Ruth Bowyer who was a member of the large number of Bowyers in the Kedington and Great Wratting area.   Regards Bob payne On Sunday, 11 November 2018, 21:04:50 GMT, Jane Milbourne via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: In remembrance of Harry HURRELL, son of Daniel and Kate Hurrell, of Haygreen Farm, Whepstead, Bury St Edmunds, who died on 23 March 1918, age 29 and is commemorated at Pozieres Memorial. Also, in remembrance of Percy HURRELL, son of Cornelius and Sarah Ann Hurrell of Bolton on Dearne, Rotherham, who died on 14 July 1918, age 23 and is buried at Faubourg D'Amiens Cemetery, Arras. Both cousins of my great grandfather. Jane _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you Peter and Jenny for sharing these stories of your visits to World War graves and war sites some of which was new to me. I  forwarded the bit about the football match to soccer playing grandchildren here in the USA. They know about their British grand and great grandparents who served in those wars but this story serves to point out that most people regardless of color/race/creed are basically the same despite what some world leaders think. Regards Barbara Turnham Washington DC jenny wrote: > I too have visited the German war cemeteries in Belgium and France and have been deeply saddened by the depressing nature of the burial plots compared to the immaculate cemeteries of the allies where the roses are replaced every year and cemeteries beautifully maintained. It sorrows me that we can't get over the atrocities of the past and acknowledge that the German soldiers were also just boys going off to war, no different to our men, being manipulated by their generals and used as cannon fodder. They should also be entitled to a decent grave. > > I visited the burial plot of my gt uncle, Thomas John Schaefer, a German descendant who fought with an Australian battalion. Thomas was killed in Belgium at the age of 19 along with two of his cousins who are buried as unknown soldiers in unmarked Australian graves. > > At one of the cemeteries I marveled at the irony of two English soldiers buried in the German cemetery in a mass grave along with thousands of German soldiers, simply because the bodies of the Englishmen could not be distinguished from the Germans. > > The most uplifting part of my visit was to the site of the football match between the Germans and allies on Christmas Day 1914. A cross and numerous footballs, since laid by visitors, are all that mark the spot. On that day in 1914, French, German and British soldiers crossed the trenches to exchange seasonal greetings and talk. Their meetings ended in carol-singing and games of football between the opposing sides. Apparently afterwards, the generals banned any future association between their troops in case they stopped thinking of the Germans as enemies. I think there could have been a learnt a lot from these young men. Maybe if they'd been allowed to play football the war would have been over a lot earlier. > Regards > Jenny Ellis-Newman > ________________________________ > From: P. S. Wyant <wyants@sasktel.net> > Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2018 2:13 AM > To: suffolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SFK-UK] November 11 > > Hello, Folks. > > As we do at this time every year on this List and this year especially (being the 100th anniversary of the WWI Armistice, the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht, and the 51st anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall), and whether you call it Remembrance Day, Armistice Day or Veterans' Day, please feel free to post your memories of warriors either lost or returned, who served or who are still serving, of any country and any conflict, and of civilians lost because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. > > I remember my father, Lt.Col. Gordon M. Wyant (b. Günter Maximilian Weiss), who served in the RAMC in WWII, and my uncle, Sgt. Edgar T. Wyant (b. Egon Weiss), who served in Italy with the 849th Signal Infantry Service, U.S. Army. I remember my grandfather's younger brother, Gefr. Arthur Weiss, 87th Reserve Infantry Regiment of Mainz, who was killed near Cernay-en-Dormois, France, on 15 May/1915 (Pesach) fighting for his country. I remember all my Suffolk uncles who served in British forces in WWII. > > Last year, I tried to find Arthur's grave in three immaculately kept German war cemeteries near Cernay-en-Dormois but could not. Each cemetery also had a mass plot holding hundreds and hundreds of unnamed German war dead from nearby battles of WWI. I can only assume he is resting in one of those. > > I also stood on Juno Beach and cried, remembering all the Canadians who stormed ashore at that place on 6 Jun/1944, many of whom now rest in the Canadian war cemetery at Beny-sur-Mer, a few kilometres inland, under the quiet shade of Canadian maple trees. May they rest in peace. Looking at the world today and the recent rise of racism, populism, nationalism, protectionism or fascism in many countries, western and non-western, I sometimes fear they died in vain. > > And I remember all the members of my extended family who perished in the Holocaust. > > Lest we forget. > > Peter > SUFFOLK List Admin. > >

In remembrance of Harry HURRELL, son of Daniel and Kate Hurrell, of Haygreen Farm, Whepstead, Bury St Edmunds, who died on 23 March 1918, age 29 and is commemorated at Pozieres Memorial. Also, in remembrance of Percy HURRELL, son of Cornelius and Sarah Ann Hurrell of Bolton on Dearne, Rotherham, who died on 14 July 1918, age 23 and is buried at Faubourg D'Amiens Cemetery, Arras. Both cousins of my great grandfather. Jane

In Remembrance of my grandfather Thomas George YOELL and connected family members who gave their lives that we may be free Also all those family members, to numerous to mention here that served their Country And all those at home who waited for their loved ones to return, often in vain Thomas George Yoell Private M2/189877 Army Service Corps Unit : "G" Siege Park attd. VII Corps Heavy Artillery Age: 39 Died 24th November 1918 Son of Edwin and Charlotte Yoell, of "Carolgate," Retford, Notts; husband of Edith Caroline Yoell, of The Bungalow, Horsemoor Green, Langley, Bucks. Estate Agent. Grave Reference VIII. C. 38. Cemetery Busigny Communal Cemetery Extension Lawrence Ovington Serjeant 5714 4th Bn Yorkshire Regiment Age: 25 Died 16th November 1916 Son of Ralph Stephenson Ovington and Mary Ann Ovington, of 42, Tavistock St. Middlesbrough. Grave Reference Sp. Mem. C. 22. Cemetery Bazentin-Le-Petit Communal Cemetery Extension Richard John Seymour Gunner 125265 "D" Bty. 157th Bde. Royal Field Artillery Age: 19 Died 28th January 1917 Son of John and Julia Seymour, of Ash Cottage, Langley, Slough, Bucks. Grave Reference II. C. 23. Cemetery Faubourg D'Amiens Cemetery Arras Also his cousin V.A.D. nurse Florence Margaret SEYMOUR died September 1914 Daughter of Arthur Seymour & Fanny Maria nee Wells Malcolm Graeme Maccoll Nationality: Australian Private 5927 18th Bn Australian Infantry, A.I.F. Age: 46 Died 3rd May 1917 Son of the Rev. Malcolm MacColl and Maria Cecilia MacColl, of "Hillview," Harvey St., Yoker, North Glasgow Scotland. Born at Camberwell, London England. Grave Reference III. K. 6. Cemetery Arras Road Cemetery, Roclincourt ----------------------------- De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour 1914-1918 Malcolm Graeme MACCOLL 2nd Lieut 18th Battn. Australian Imperial Force, 2nd s of the late Rev Malcolm Maccoll, Rector of St Columba Yoker, by his wife, Maria C. (2 Harvey Street, Yoker), dau. of George Anderson, of Demerara; b. Camberwell, London, S.E., 3 April 1871; educ. Merchant Taylors School, and Victoria College Jersey; served in the South African War 1899 - 1902 in the Queensland 3rd Contingent; took part in the relief of Mafeking, and later transferred to the Cape Mounted Police. On the outbreak of war he obtained a commission in the Natal Light Horse, and served through the German South West Africa Campaign; afterwards joined the Expeditionary Force in France and Flanders, and was killed in action at Bullecourt 3 May, 1917; unm. Archie Hurst Private 72087 1st/5th Bn. Devonshire Regiment Age: 18 Died 30th September 1918 Son of Arthur and Amy Hurst of 65, Rue de L'eglise, A'Fromelennes, pras Givet, Ardennes, France. Native of Leicester. Grave Reference II. A. 14. Cemetery Masnieres British Cemetery, Marcoing Charles William Bull Serjeant 15205 8th Bn North Staffordshire Regiment Died 18th January 1916 Grave Reference II. M. 6. Cemetery St Vaast Post Military Cemetery, Richebourg-L'Avoue Son of Joseph BULL and Ellen nee SALT Graham Powell Private 14919 9th Bn Leicestershire Regiment Died 25th September 1916 Grave Reference Pier and Face 2 C and 3 A. Memorial Theipval Memorial Son of Edgar W POWELL and Sarah Ann nee HURST Heathcote Wyndham Nationality: Australian Lieutenant 38th Bn Australian Infantry, A.I.F. Age: 44 Died 17th July 1917 Son of Hugh and Celia Wyndham; husband of G. Wyndham, of Westholm, Inverell, New South Wales. Grave II. C. 27. Cemetery Kandahar Farm Cemetery Percy Irvine Haylock Owen Second Lieutenant Died 22nd September 1917 Age: 26 Australian Infantry, A.I.F. 3rd Bn. Grave Reference: LXI. B. 9. Cemetery Tyne Cot Cemetery Son of Lt. Col. Robert Haylock Owen, C.M.G., and Hilda Grace Owen of Morton Grange, Thornbury, Glos., England. Native of Gibraltar. Charles Wesley Proud Lyth Serjeant 42535 76th Company Machine Gun Corps Age: 30 Died 5th May 1917 Husband of Carrie Lyth, of 73, Falsgrave Rd., Scarborough. Grave Reference: Bay 10. Memorial Arras Memorial Son of William Petch LYTH & Mary Ellen nee HALL Lawrence Edward F Siddons Private 9582 1st Bn The King's (Liverpool Regiment) Age: 23 Died 19th May 1915 Son of Nelson Fearn Siddons and Ellen Jane Siddons, of 225, Stockbrook St., Derby; husband of Adelaide Ann Stacey (formerly Siddons). Grave Reference Panels 6 to 8. Memorial Le Touret Memorial John Barr Anderson Driver 119421 Royal Army Service Corps Age: 23 Died 17th November 1942 Son of George Ernest Anderson, and of Janet Anderson Anderson, of St. Mawes, Cornwall. Of British Guiana. Grave Reference 1. D. 6. Cemetery Knightsbridge War Cemetery, Acroma Felix Bernard Grigioni Sergeant 1119682 (Flt. Engr.) 97 Sqdn Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve Age: 36 Died 2nd January 1944 Husband of Laura Grey, of Wallasey, Cheshire. Grave Reference 6. A. 20. Cemetery Rheinberg War Cemetery Son of Felice Bernardo (Felix) GRIGIONI and Margaret nee ROBINSON In Flanders Fields In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved, and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. (Major John McCrae - 3rd May 1915) -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)