Thanks Robert for bringing this up. If someone can do this, please could they try and find a relationship between John Steventon and Dinah Marchant that resulted in the birth of my Ancestor William Marchant c 1770. It would be 1771 by his 1851 census entry. Dinah was born in Bildeston I think. Thanks Peter Merchant C.Eng (Ret'd) On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 12:31, Robert Stephenson < robertstephenson719@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everyone, i would like to ask if anyone has the parish records on > fiche for Buxhall and Bildeston. If no one has the fiche is there someone > who is going to the Suffolk Records Office who would do two look-ups for > me. I am looking for the birth baptism for Charlotte STEPHENSON/ STEVENSON > b: 1786 Buxhall. The other task is also for Charlotte's marriage which i > think was in 1817 either Bildeston or Buxhall. If this is my correct > Charlotte then she married William Edward SEWELL or Edward William SEWELL I > would like to know the fathers name. Thank you for the help > > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Bob, I can't help you with Stevenson or Sewell but I went to the LDS and transcribed all the Johnson bmds (of which there were many!) in Bildeston and the surrounding parishes from 1580 - 1860 so if you end up finding you are linked by marriage to a Johnson then let me know. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stephenson <robertstephenson719@gmail.com> Sent: 26 February 2019 19:43 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Buxhall/Bildeston Lookups Hello everyone, i would like to ask if anyone has the parish records on fiche for Buxhall and Bildeston. If no one has the fiche is there someone who is going to the Suffolk Records Office who would do two look-ups for me. I am looking for the birth baptism for Charlotte STEPHENSON/ STEVENSON b: 1786 Buxhall. The other task is also for Charlotte's marriage which i think was in 1817 either Bildeston or Buxhall. If this is my correct Charlotte then she married William Edward SEWELL or Edward William SEWELL I would like to know the fathers name. Thank you for the help Bob _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

An examination of the returns from Blything Hundred has revealed many errors in Vincent B. Redstone's book, "The Ship-Money Returns for the County of Suffolk, 1639-40" (https://archive.org/details/cu31924030265544/page/n5). The discrepancies are listed in a 9-page document accessible at https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=808924 together with a new transcript for Bromeswell (in Wilford Hundred). There are also brief notes about a few other places, such as Henley and Mickfield (Bosmere & Claydon Hundred), Horningsheath (Thingoe Hundred) and Sutton (Wilford Hundred). The most misrepresented surnames in Blything Hundred are: AGNES at Halesworth BARBOR at Halesworth BELLYMY at Mells Hamlet BELWARD? at Mells Hamlet BISHOP at Middleton cum Fordley BUCKNAM at Huntingfield CANAN alias IRISH at Halesworth CARIE at Walpole CARRs lands at Middleton cum Fordley CARSIE at Cratfield CLER(E) at Wenhaston ELGEE at Halesworth ERISH alias CANNAM at Mells Hamlet FARRAR at Westleton FELLTHAM at Bramfield FELTHAM at Thorington GIMINGHAM at Bramfield HARROOD at Sibton HARTE at Bramfield HAYLE at Walpole HOLBACK at Peasenhall HUNTE (Hvnte) at Sibton LAYERs lands at Middleton cum Fordley LOPPHAM at Knodishall and Buxlow LORD at Bramfield LUNNIS at Linstead Parva PEARE at Linstead Parva & Wenhaston POOLEY at Bramfield PRIME at Halesworth RENETTE [or REVETT] at Linstead Magna ROWSE at Bulcamp SARLES at Yoxford WATLEN at Walpole WELLES at Walpole WILKINSON at Walpole WOOD(E)S at Halesworth YONGES at Halesworth The wrong forenames were given for Husting(e)s WILLKERSON or WILKINSON at Bramfield and Walpole, Nicholas BEDDINGFEILDE at Darsham, Jeremy BOLLDERY at Huntingfield, Oliver CHATBURNE at Westleton, and Rafe CANHAM at Yoxford. Had he been able to spend more time away from his Woodbridge Grammar School pupils, Redstone could no doubt have done better, but this study of a small fraction of his work should serve as a lesson to us all when relying solely on transcripts.

Hello everyone, i would like to ask if anyone has the parish records on fiche for Buxhall and Bildeston. If no one has the fiche is there someone who is going to the Suffolk Records Office who would do two look-ups for me. I am looking for the birth baptism for Charlotte STEPHENSON/ STEVENSON b: 1786 Buxhall. The other task is also for Charlotte's marriage which i think was in 1817 either Bildeston or Buxhall. If this is my correct Charlotte then she married William Edward SEWELL or Edward William SEWELL I would like to know the fathers name. Thank you for the help Bob

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 Suffolk FreeCen project. Another 4 pieces have been uploaded to the on line database and are now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk These are pieces RG121441 Sudbury which covers the parishes of Ballingdon, Brundon, Chilton, Great Cornard, Great Henny ESS, Little Cornard, Little Henny ESS Middleton ESS Sudbury RG121465 Samford which covers the parishes of Belstead, Bentley, Bentley Grove Brantham, Chelmondiston, Erwarton, Freston, Harkstead Holbrook, Lower Holbrook, Shotley, Stutton, Tattingstone, Wherstead, Woolverstone RG121471 Ipswich which covers the parishes of St Clement, St Margaret, Warren House, Wycks Bishop RG121478 Woodbridge which covers the parishes of Hollesley, Melton, Ramsholt, Woodbridge This means that there are now 264,754 (76.2%) 1891 Suffolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have given their time freely to help the project without their help this information would not be available. Best wishes Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Suffolk 1841, 1871, 1891 Cambridge 1861, 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1871 Suffolk FreeCen project. Another piece has been uploaded to the on line database and is now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk This is piece RG101779 Lowestoft which covers the parish of Lowestoft This means that there are now 173,253 (55.6%) 1871 Suffolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have given their time freely to help the project without their help this information would not be available. Best wishes Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Suffolk 1841, 1871, 1891 Cambridge 1861, 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

Not at all Brian I think we are singing from the same hymn sheet ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/01/2019 20:24, Brian Lummis via SUFFOLK wrote: > Hi Nivard > > I realised that you weren't questioning the definition and accept that the > enumerator for the most part recorded what he was told. > > My point was that if he held land he wouldn't necessarily be described as a > "landed proprietor" and conversely he could be described as a "landed > proprietor" without holding land. So whilst the land tax records would prove > that he was a "landed proprietor" as described, the absence of any proof of > owning land does not mean that he wasn't a "landed proprietor", as he could > qualify by other means. > > Hope I am not sounding too pedantic. > > Brian

Hi Nivard I realised that you weren't questioning the definition and accept that the enumerator for the most part recorded what he was told. My point was that if he held land he wouldn't necessarily be described as a "landed proprietor" and conversely he could be described as a "landed proprietor" without holding land. So whilst the land tax records would prove that he was a "landed proprietor" as described, the absence of any proof of owning land does not mean that he wasn't a "landed proprietor", as he could qualify by other means. Hope I am not sounding too pedantic. Brian

Hi Brian I wasn't questioning the definition, or instruction for 1851 that you posted My point being that the information wasn't checked in any way, unless the enumerator knew better, he would accept what was written on the schedule If someone entered his occupation as brain surgeon, the enumerator would accept that, no proof was required or sought Generally speaking the majority of occupations entered in the census are fairly accurate, but being called a landed proprietor did not of itself prove he owned land or property Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/01/2019 19:26, Brian Lummis via SUFFOLK wrote: > Nivard > > If you look at the definition that I gave for the 1851 census you will see > that a landed proprietor didn't necessarily have to own land. So he could > have an income from another source such as investments or an annuity. > Admittedly, in my experience most census entries tend to describe those with > investments as having "private means" or "Gentleman" and in the case of > annuities, "annuitants", so having land may be correct for the majority of > those described as "landed proprietor". > > Brian.

Nivard If you look at the definition that I gave for the 1851 census you will see that a landed proprietor didn't necessarily have to own land. So he could have an income from another source such as investments or an annuity. Admittedly, in my experience most census entries tend to describe those with investments as having "private means" or "Gentleman" and in the case of annuities, "annuitants", so having land may be correct for the majority of those described as "landed proprietor". Brian. -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Sent: 12 January 2019 18:55 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: What is a landed proprietor? Bearing in mind that information given in the census was taken as given by the informant on the schedule No checking was done to verify the details were correct What was his status in 1871, and if relevant check the 1873 return of owners of land Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/01/2019 18:07, David Hook wrote: > Thanks - that was what I was looking for: a more comprehensive definition with the historical context. > > Dave _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Bearing in mind that information given in the census was taken as given by the informant on the schedule No checking was done to verify the details were correct What was his status in 1871, and if relevant check the 1873 return of owners of land Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/01/2019 18:07, David Hook wrote: > Thanks - that was what I was looking for: a more comprehensive definition with the historical context. > > Dave

Thanks - that was what I was looking for: a more comprehensive definition with the historical context. Dave > On Jan 12, 2019, at 11:43 AM, Brian Lummis via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > The instructions for the 1851 census was > > "Persons following no Profession, Trade or calling and holding no public office, but deriving their income chiefly from land, houses, mines, or other real property, from dividends, interest of money, annuities &c. may designate themselves "Landed Proprietor," "Proprietor of Iron Mines," "Proprietor of Houses," "Fund-holder," "Annuitant," &c. as the case may be." > > I guess that the 1861 census was very similar. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Hook <davehook@rogers.com> > Sent: 12 January 2019 15:08 > To: suffolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SFK-UK] What is a landed proprietor? > > > Someone in my tree has a occupation listed as “landed proprietor” in the 1861 census and I’m wondering what that is. > In the census, he is living with his brother who is a farmer. > I’m assuming that it means that he owned land and was living off the proceeds - would that be correct? is there a more precise definition? > > Thanks > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:07:52 -0500 David Hook <davehook@rogers.com> wrote: Hello David, >Someone in my tree has a occupation listed as “landed proprietor” in >the 1861 census and I’m wondering what that is. I typed the two words into a search engine. Simply by scanning the resulting snippets I found out what it means. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

The instructions for the 1851 census was "Persons following no Profession, Trade or calling and holding no public office, but deriving their income chiefly from land, houses, mines, or other real property, from dividends, interest of money, annuities &c. may designate themselves "Landed Proprietor," "Proprietor of Iron Mines," "Proprietor of Houses," "Fund-holder," "Annuitant," &c. as the case may be." I guess that the 1861 census was very similar. Brian -----Original Message----- From: David Hook <davehook@rogers.com> Sent: 12 January 2019 15:08 To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] What is a landed proprietor? Someone in my tree has a occupation listed as “landed proprietor” in the 1861 census and I’m wondering what that is. In the census, he is living with his brother who is a farmer. I’m assuming that it means that he owned land and was living off the proceeds - would that be correct? is there a more precise definition? Thanks Dave _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Someone in my tree has a occupation listed as “landed proprietor” in the 1861 census and I’m wondering what that is. In the census, he is living with his brother who is a farmer. I’m assuming that it means that he owned land and was living off the proceeds - would that be correct? is there a more precise definition? Thanks Dave

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 Suffolk FreeCen project. Another piece has been uploaded to the on line database and is now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk This is piece RG121474 Woodbridge which covers the parishes of Boulge, Bredfield, Burgh Hasketon, Charsfield, Clopton, Culpho, Dallinghoo, Debach, Great Bealings, Grundisburgh, Kesgrave, Little Bealings, Loudham, Otley, Pettistree, Playford, Rushmere, Tuddenham, Witnesham This means that there are now 241,486 (69.8%) 1891 Suffolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have given their time freely to help the project without their help this information would not be available. Best wishes Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Suffolk 1841, 1871, 1891 Cambridge 1861, 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

David If you google the great churchyard Bury St Edmunds and then go to Images, there are many photos there. The Bury Past and Present Society also have black and white photos at http://www.burypastandpresent.org.uk/jarman-captions/abbey/churchyard.shtml . I see that you researched the St James records so I am presuming that you have seen the entry in the burial register for that parish. If not the Great Churchyard is between the parish church of St James and the parish church of St Mary so I am wondering if the burial was recorded at St Mary's. It does not appear in the National Burial Index although some earlier entries for Suffolk are missing so that could be the reason. Brian -----Original Message----- From: David Vesey <veseybrown@sympatico.ca> Sent: 05 December 2018 00:13 To: suffolk-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFK-UK] Bury St Edmunds - St James One of my ancestors was buried at Bury St Edmunds in Dec 1726. Could someone over the next month or so get me a photo of the churchyard , which might have contained early 18thC burials , for my files. REF: Sfk Burial CD: Burial 10 Dec 1726 Shelly VESEY ( alias Wangford) - age abt 25 Bury St Edmunds , St James Note St James became St Edmundsbury Cathedral in 1914. Checked for Gravestones : Vesey or Wangford surnames at Bury St. Edmunds, St. James in the Charles Partridge MIs - no entries found. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

One of my ancestors was buried at Bury St Edmunds in Dec 1726. Could someone over the next month or so get me a photo of the churchyard , which might have contained early 18thC burials , for my files. REF: Sfk Burial CD: Burial 10 Dec 1726 Shelly VESEY ( alias Wangford) - age abt 25 Bury St Edmunds , St James Note St James became  St Edmundsbury Cathedral in 1914. Checked for Gravestones : Vesey or Wangford surnames at Bury St. Edmunds, St. James in the Charles Partridge MIs - no entries found.

You are right, Brian. Outsetters were people who owned or occupied land in the parish but lived elsewhere. In the 1805 edition of Humphrey PRIDEAUX's book, Directions to Church-wardens for the faithful discharge of their duty (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=x3sAAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover), out-setters are defined on page 43 and discussed in comparison with in-setters on pages 54 and 55. David________________________________ From: Brian Sillett via SUFFOLK <suffolk@rootsweb.com> To: suffolk@rootsweb.com Cc: Brian Sillett <brian.sillett010@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2018, 20:41 Subject: [SFK-UK] Re: Ship money returns Thanks Chris and Vincent. I hadn't thought of "outfitter" and didn't know the trade name. However, there are numerous sections in parish returns headed "outsetters" and even "outdwellers" see pages 129 and 135 for examples which makes me think the persons were from out of the parish in which taxes were raised. Brian Sillett -----Original Message----- From: Brian Sillett via SUFFOLK Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2018 6:55 PM To: Suffolk Cc: Brian Sillett Subject: [SFK-UK] Ship money returns I am not sure what an outsetter or outsitter is on the Ship Money Returns. Does it refer to a person who was due to pay for property in that parish who was not resident there? Brian Sillett

Thanks Chris and Vincent. I hadn't thought of "outfitter" and didn't know the trade name. However, there are numerous sections in parish returns headed "outsetters" and even "outdwellers" see pages 129 and 135 for examples which makes me think the persons were from out of the parish in which taxes were raised. Brian Sillett -----Original Message----- From: Brian Sillett via SUFFOLK Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2018 6:55 PM To: Suffolk Cc: Brian Sillett Subject: [SFK-UK] Ship money returns I am not sure what an outsetter or outsitter is on the Ship Money Returns. Does it refer to a person who was due to pay for property in that parish who was not resident there? Brian Sillett _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/suffolk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community