First I would like to thank Gloria Husk joining our list and sharing with us. I feel that is how we will get this all connected--maybe to Adam and Eve. Just kidding. Then I need to let others who wrote me know I will get get back to them about doing individual reseach on specific names in the Stump family, like: all the Georges, Johns, Elizabeths, Leonards, etc. I think we can work on that on this list slowly but surely to help keep each name and date and place separate. But now for my good news! I made 3 connections on the Neffs and Stumps. If you look back at my first post with my Stumps, Neffs and Wilsons that let Hardy Co in 1852 and ended up in Pilot Twp, Vermilion Co. IL.,especially the obit of Elizabeth Stump/Wilson and the 1850 and 1860 census-- I will explain where they fit in. I have to thank Janet Waite who forwarded me to JW Neff(Bill). Bill must have really done research on the Hardy Co. Neffs and Stumps because they have so many similar names it is very difficult for anyone new to come in and try to separate them. Bill have done an excellent job. My John Stump born married Sarah Neff in June 4 or 14 of 1814 in Hardy Co. VA. I have the June 4, 1814 date from the Hardy Co. Homepage site and the June 14 date from JW Neff. I will try and clear that up. John Stump was born Jan 18, 1795 to George Stump and Elizabeth Massey Wilson. Sarah Neff was born 1795 to Michael Neff and Mary(?). John and Sarah moved in 1852 to Pilot twp., Vermilion Co. IL and died and buried there. Sarah had a sister, Catherine Neff, who married George(II) Stump. This is the George Stump and Catherine Neff that moved to IN. John Stump and George Stump were brothers and Sarah Neff and Catherine Neff were sisters all from Hardy Co. Brothers married sisters. Their children were double cousins. Then my John STUMP and Sarah NEFF had a son, George STUMP born abt 1823 to a Catherine Jane NEFF born abt 1822 in Hardy Co. They also moved with John and Sarah in 1852 to IL. So you have another George STUMP married to a Catherine NEFF. This Catherine Jane NEFF was the daughter of Abraham NEFF and Elizabeth SHOOK. Abraham was a son of Jacob. Jacob and Michael were brothers. Michael NEFF was the father of Sarah Neff. So George and Catherine were second cousins. Jacob NEFF brothers Michael NEFF Abraham NEFF 1st cousins Sarah NEFF Catherine J NEFF 2nd cousins George STUMP I hope that is all correct. It is new to me and if anyone else knows anything else please let me know. I am still studying the WILSONs in Hardy Co also who are connected to my Elizabeth Stump daughter of John and Sarah. Elizabeth married Jesse H. WILSON. Thanks to all the good researchers there and all the help I go when I asked for it. I slept good last night now that my NEFFs and STUMPs have a place to rest and are not floating around in my head. Diana in AK