I just found another George W. Stump on the LDS site undeer IGI. He was born March 8, 1821 at Moorefield, Hardy Co. WV Father: Adam Stump Mother: Mary Gregg Parsons Could this be your George Washington Stump? I have never heard of Adam Stump from Hardy Co. Where does he fit in? Do we have another Stump family from somewhere else? There is no source for the information. Diana in AK

Glen, >Is the George Stump (your 192/196) actually George Washington Stump? What >date do you show for his death? If early 1865, then he is the Captain >George Washington Stump, commander Company "B" 18th Virginia Cavalry >(Confederate). >The George Stump that I have in my direct line is not the one I was talking >about. You list a George Stump age 27 in 1850 in Hardy County married to a >Catherine Neff. He would have been in his late 30s during the Civil War. My(192/196) George Stump left Hardy Co. in 1852 for Pilot twp. Vermilion Co. IL and by 1860 was in the Pilot twp. Vermilion Co. IL. George was the son of my John Stump and Sarah. John's father was George. I just noticed the George Washington Stump I was talking to you about was born in 1848, IN and died in 1921, IN. Wrong one! Now I don't know what George Washington Stump he could belong to. My George was the witness at some of his childrens weddings in IL: I will put that information on now. As you can see he was still alive in 1885 in IL. **** Joyce sent me: There is a STUMP Cemetery in Pilot Township, IL. It is located one mile north and about 1/4 mile east of the Newtown Consolidated School. John Stump - died 4-26-1871 Sarah Stump - died 2-26-1880 Elijah N. s/o J & S - died 11-11-1861 Also listed: Mary Wilson E S J A d/o JH & EJ - died 4-15-1855 3 mo. *(daughter of Jesse H and Elizabeth J. Wilson) There they go again with all the intials- Mary E.S.J.A. Wilson. Written in at the end of the page is: Hornick Stump - died about 1940 and buried in Stump Cemetery. MARRIAGES: *Blount twp is right next to Pilot twp in Vermilion Co. IL. George W. Stump - age 23, Blount Township, ILL FA: George Stump MO: Catherine Neff Married: Marietta Jarvis - age 16, Blount Twn. ILL FA: William Jarvis MO: Martha Pilkington Date of Marriage April 9, 1884 William Stump - age 24, Blount, IL FA: George Stump MO: Catherine Neff Emma Gritton - age 22, Blount, IL FA: William Gritton MO: Mary Pentecost Date of Marriage Jan. 4, 1885 John Stump - age 39, Blount Twp. ILL*(this is John A Godolphin born VA) FA: George Stump MO: Catherine Neff Occ. mechanic Married by George W. Dodson, MInister Wit: George Stump and George Jarvis Married: Missouri Lockhard - age 24, Blount Twp. ILL Illinois Matthew Lockhart Genama Lockhard Married April 26, 1881 William Stump, age 32, Blount Twp. ILL* (William was Wm Seymour Maslin, VA) fa: George Stump mo: Catherine Neff occ. farmer married by George Dodson, Minister Witness John Stump & Henry Albert Melissa Jarvis - age 22, Pilot Twp., ILL Illinois FA: Fountain Jarvis MO: Sarah Loving Married March 18, 1881 ****** >The 18th Virginia Cavalry was formed from men in and around Hardy County >for the Confederacy. George Washington Stump was the commanding officer of >Company "B" and lived until February 1865 when he was captured and actually >executed by Union troops under orders from a certain major. Both sides got >very upset about this. That is very interesting and I will watch for the GW Stump. Your Catherine Neff may be a niece or cousin of my Catherine Neff. I can't find much out about the Neffs to even guess where she came from. I do have list of neighbors of The Wilsons & Stumps before they let in 1852 from the 1850 census. Maybe that will help-- there are some Neff neighbors who could be relatives. Does anyone know who George S. Neff is? 191/195 John Stump age 55 Sarah (maybe -Neff ) & family 192/196 George Stump age 27 Catharine Jane (Neff ) & family 193/197 Jesse Wilson age 28 Elizabeth & family 194/198 George S. Neff 36 VA Farmer Mary 32 (all born va) Mortimer D. 11 Amzilla 8 Laura 5 Sarah Catharine 2 194/199 Mary Ann Craigen 49 VA Louisa E. 29 Elizabeth MYERS 12 Jane MYERS 2 195/200 Lionel F. Branson 34 VA Farmer Sarah Catharine 25 William M 5 James Hampton 2 Ann R. 12 Geo Washington SHELL 26 VA Farmer Flemuel STUMP 20 VA Laborer Jacob LEE (SEE?) 18 VA Laborer 196/201 Nimrod Thorn age 38 wife Elizabeth & household (one child is named Wm. Seymour) 197/202 Abraham Crites age 28, farmer, wife Elizabeth & household 198/203 Adam S. Cleaver age 31 farmer, wife Susan & household 199/204 Isaac Harness age 30 farmer, wife Hester W. & household (youngest child is named Parran) 200/205 George Harness 3rd, age 70 farmer wife Magdalene and son Adam Jr. age 29 201/206 Nathan D. Parran age 38 born MD farmer wife Adeline D. & household. (the one whose slave escaped and was recaptured in NY) 202/207 Adam See Sr. age 80 and household 203/208 Abraham Neff 66 VA FArmer Elizabeth 59 Priscilla 42 Jacob S. 31 farmer Elizabeth D. 29 204/209 Margaret Neff 88 VA Margaret 46 Washington H. 44 farmer >From Diana in AK

>Is the George Stump (your 192/196) actually George Washington Stump? What >date do you show for his death? If early 1865, then he is the Captain >George Washington Stump, commander Company "B" 18th Virginia Cavalry >(Confederate). No, I am pretty sure mine is not George Washington Stump. My John Stump(the father of my George Stump), I think, may be the son of a George Stump from Hardy Co. I found on the LDS site a John Stump born born 1795 in Hardy Co. to George Stump and Elizabeth Wilson. I feel this may be my connection. On that same site it says your George Washington Stump's. > >I have in my line George Stump b. 5/5/1787 d. 7/26/1863 who married >Catherine B. Neff b. 8/21/1785 d. 6/24/1846 > My George Stump was way younger than yours(about one generation as you can see from the census) and married to a Catherine Jane Neff. I think it is just further down in the Stump line somewhere. >They moved to Indiana in early 1830s. Were the parents of my >great-great-grandfather William James Stump b. 2/18/1822 in Hardy County >and d. 7/13/1864 at General Hospital Chattanooga (Tennessee). Private >Company "I" 128th Indiana Volunteer Infantry. He was wounded at Kennesaw >Mountain (Georgia) but contracted Typhoid Fever while in the hospital and >died of the fever. Probably been better off with his unit! Who is the father of your George Washington Stump? I know I have found him in my research. From what I have found on the Net is say George W. Stump's father was Michael Neff Stump and mother Sophia Long. Is that correct? Then I feel that Micheal Neff Stump's parents George Stump and Catherine Neff. So George that-- George born 1787 had a brother John born 1795*****Who I feel in MY John in the 1850 Hardy census and 1860 Vermilion Co. IL census I sent out on the Stump Listserv. But I have no proof yet just lots of exploring all the information out there. So I feel we are pretty close and should keep in contact. Do you know any of the other children of George Stump and Elizabeth. I found a Catherine Stump as a sister of George and John. I have seen the name Elizabeth Massey and the name of Elizabeth Wilson. I have also seen them as both wifes but Elizabeth Wilson as the first wife and mother of my JOHN. My John Stump died 4/26/1871 in Pilot twp, Vermilion Co. IL. I don't have a date on the death of his son, George, yet. I have also see My John Stump married to a Prudence Parsons but I feel on Genforum/stump it was corrected that Prudence Parsons was married to the John Stump-- son of Leonard Stump JR. My John Stump was married to a Sarah and I am going after the marriage of a John Stump and Sarah Neff in 1814 hoping to find out if it is them. I do have another Stump family in Vermilion Co. IL that I can't connect to and they have a George Washington Stump in the family who came from OH or IN. I will forward you to them and also tell them about this list. Keep asking those questions. We might get this straightened out and I feel we are related thru brothers George(you) Stump born 1787 and John(Me) Stump born 1795-- sons of George Stump and Elizabeth Wilson. Unless you think your George's mother was Elizabeth Massey. I haven't done any research on that yet. Diana in AK

I am Diana Nelson. I have made a STUMP connection to Hardy Co., West Virginia. Would you please look over my information and see if we can connect? rsdmn@aurora.alaska.edu Below is the information on the 1850 census for Jesse Wilson, John Stump and George Stump from Hardy Co., West Virginia Jesse Wilson is married to Elizabeth J. Stump. 191/195 John Stump 55 farmer 5000 Virginia Sarah 55 Virginia Elijah N 32 farmer Virginia John J 20 farmer Virginia Sarah A 23 Virginia Frances A Harness 13 Virginia 192/196 George Stump 27 farmer Virginia Cath Jane(Neff) 28 Virginia John A Godolphin 6 Virginia Virginia D 4 Virginia Priscilla E 3 Virginia Wm Seymour Maslin 4/12 Virginia 193/197 Jesse Wilson 28 farmer Virginia Elizabeth 30 (STUMP) Virginia Dorothy AACV 5 Virginia Adeline ARF 2 Virginia Sarah DRP 8/12 Virginia ****** John A Godolphin and Wm Seymour Maslin are also in the 1860 census but most go by the name of STUMP in the George Stump family by the time they get to IL. ****** 1860 Census; 3 separate households...just down the road from each other in Pilot Twp, Vermilion Co, IL John Stump 65 M Va Sarah 65 F Va(maybe a Neff) Elza 42 M Va George Stump 37 M Va Catherine J 39 F Va (Neff) John A J 17 M Va Virginia 15 F VA Persilla 13 F VA William 10 M VA Sarah 8 F IL George W 1 M IL John Stump 32 M VA Jane 30 F IL Hannah 3 F IL Independent 1/12 F IL Wilsons in Pilot Twp: Jesse Wilson 37 M VA Elizabeth 40 F Va *(STUMP) Catherine 16 F VA Adaline 13 F VA Sarah 11 F VA Perren 9 M VA James 4 M IL *(James Marion Wilson my great grandfather) Clarinda 1 F IL *James Marion Wilson married Nancy Jane Mason. They were both my great grandparents. They still have one child alive in Tilton, IL. *********** This Obit was from a Danville, IL paper. She died close to Loda,IL about 1914. Elizabeth Stump/Wilson was buried in Muncie, IN. I have a picture of Elizabeth Stump. ELIZABETH WILSON DIED AT AGE OF 95 Born in West Virginia, Had lived in Vermilion Country and Iroquois for Past Sixty Years The funeral of Mrs. Elizabeth Wilson, who died at the home of her son, James Wilson, near Loda in Iroquois country, at 4 o'clock Monday afternoon, will be held from Emberry Chapel, north of Muncie, at 11 o'clock Thursday morning. Rev. Thomas Snider will officiate, and interment will be made in the Emberry cometary adjoining the church. The body was brought from Loda to the Blythe undertaking establishment in this city where it will remain until Thursday morning, when it will be removed overland to the chapel where the services are to be observed. Elizabeth J. (Stump) Wilson was born in Hardy county, West Virginia, March 4, 1819. She grew to young womanhood in the vicinity where she was born, and Nov. 6, 1843 was united in marriage with Jesse H. Wilson. To this union eight children were born, the following five of whom survive: Mrs. Adelia LeNeve, North Vermilion street; Jesse P. Wilson, north of the city; James M. Wilson, Loda, with whom she has made her home since the death of her husband 27 years ago;Mrs. Clara Rice , Beagle, Kans. Mrs. Esther Tevebaugh, Greeley, Colo. Twenty-five grandchildren, and one great-grandchild also survive. In 1852 four families, including the Stumps and Wilsons left their home in Hardy county, and proceed overland, via the Prairie Schooner, until they reached a point about 3 miles south of where Collison now stands. Nov 10, 1852, the land in that vicinity suiting them in most respects, they stopped and began plans for making their home there. The remainder of Mrs. Wilson's life was spent in that locality with the exception of the past five years during which she has lived in Iroquois country. She is the last of the older generation, who came westward with the party in '52, and is known to practically every person in Pilot township where she was for more than half a century a resident. Despite her great age she was active until a short time before her death, preserving the features and activity not possessed by many persons thirty years her junior. The deceased was able to tell of many incidents connected with the early history of this county. When the band of homeseekers passed through Danville, just 61 years prior to the day of her death, there was less than a thousand people here, and the hazel brush which covered the whole of the present site north of town was so thick that paths through it were necessary to permit communication with the outside world. Denmark was then the larger settlement, although Danville was rapidly overhauling the former "city" for supremacy. The prairie was open and unfenced. They said that Mrs. Wilson was one of the pioneers to whom the opening of this wild country must be accredited. Thank you, Diana in AK

Hello, I'm looking for any information on the following family. Does anyone have any information on George's parents or siblings? Thanks for your help. Daryl Bruner LYRAD22@aol.com Husband: GEORGE STUMP Birth: 23 Apr 1794 Place: KENTUCKY/GEORGIA Death: 2 Jun 1866 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Burial: Place: WEIR CEMETERY, CRAWFORDSVILLE, INDIANA Marriage: 28 Aug 1817 Place: ALEXANDRIA, CAMPBELL CO., KENTUCKY Wife: MARTHA "PATSEY" TALBOT Birth: 1795 Place: SOUTH CAROLINA/VIRGINIA Death: 20 Jan 1892 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Burial: Place: WEIR CEMETERY, CRAWFORDSVILLE, INDIANA Father: CHARLES TALBOT Children... 1. F Child: NANCY STUMP Birth: 1819 Place: CAMPBELL CO., KENTUCKY Spouse: JACOB COLEMAN Marriage: 27 Feb 1840 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA 2. M Child: JOHN THOMAS STUMP Birth: 8 May 1820 Place: BOONE CO., KENTUCKY Death: 18 Jul 1903 Place: NORTH UNION, MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Burial: 19 Jul 1903 Place: WEIR CEMETERY, CRAWFORDSVILLE, INDIANA Spouse: SIBELLA A. FARLEY Marriage: 22 Dec 1846 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Spouse: ELIZABETH A. HOPKINS Marriage: 24 Jun 1873 3. M Child: ROBERT STUMP Birth: 1822 Place: KENTUCKY Death: 25 Jan 1907 Place: UNION TWP., MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Spouse: ELIZA 4. F Child: SARAH A. STUMP Birth: 6 Jul 1824 Place: BOONE CO., KENTUCKY Death: 26 Oct 1837 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Burial: Place: WEIR CEMETERY, CRAWFORDSVILLE, INDIANA 5. F Child: MARGARET STUMP Birth: 25 Jul 1828 Place: INDIANA Death: 8 Oct 1890 Place: INDIANA Burial: Place: WEIR CEMETERY, MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Spouse: LEVI BUCHANAN WHITAKER Marriage: Mar 1842 Place: INDIANA 6. M Child: SAMUEL STUMP Birth: 31 Mar 1830 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Death: 20 May 1902 Place: HIGHLAND, MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Burial: Place: OAK HILL CEMETERY, MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Spouse: ELVARITA HARRELL 7. F Child: CATHERINE STUMP Birth: 1833 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Spouse: AARON MILES Marriage: 31 Jul 1852 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA 8. F Child: MARTHA J. STUMP Birth: 1835 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Spouse: WILLIAM R. RUSH Marriage: 30 Jan 1856 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA 9. F Child: ANN STUMP Birth: 1838 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Spouse: JAMES T. TYLER Marriage: 23 Jan 1883 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA 10. M Child: WILLIAM STUMP Birth: 15 Apr 1840 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Death: 29 Jan 1917 Place: UNION TWP., MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Burial: Place: WEIR CEMETERY, CRAWFORDSVILLE, INDIANA Spouse: ANNA RUSH Marriage: 27 Dec 1868 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA 11. M Child: HENRY STUMP Birth: 1843 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA Spouse: MARY E. PAYTON Marriage: 7 Aug 1862 Place: MONTGOMERY CO., INDIANA

I saw you querie re: Elizabeth Stump marrying someone named Starr in WV; I can't help you, but maybe you have run across the Elizabeth Stump I am looking for...my Elizabeth was born in 1786 in Hampshire Co, VA and married Benjamin Simon in 1805. I guess it's possible they are the same person and that she remarried, but your marriage date would have had her marrying Starr quite young. Thanks...Rich Watring, Wheaton IL

I am searching for a Nancy E. REYNOLDS b. abt 1835, possibly in Craig County, VA. On 10 Feb 1857 in Tazewell, VA she married David Hairston STUMP b. 27 May 1834. Some preliminary information would indicate that Nancy’s parents were Robert REYNOLDS b. 1807/1812, possibly in Washington County, VA and Susan SARVER b. abt 1814; they married 23 Mar 1835 in Botecourt, VA. I’m having no luck in uncovering any REYNOLDs in the area although there appear to be a number of MCREYNOLDS, in particular, a Robert MCREYNOLDS b. 1 Apr 1807 whose parents were Robert MCREYNOLDS b. 7 Feb 1772 in Caswell County, NC and Frances “Fanny” FLEMING b. 26 Dec 1777; they married 17 May/Oct 1796 in Abingdon, Washington, VA. Does anyone happen to know more about Susan SARVER or if the above is Nancy’s true line or not? Any and all help or leads would be greatly appreciated. Emme Ratcliff Leslie

>From earlier information which I have received, the wife of David Hairston STUMP b. 27 May 1834 in Tazewell, VA d. 16 May 1911 in Washington County, VA was Nancy E. REYNOLDS b. 1840 in Craig County, VA. Their daughter was Martha Jane STUMP b. 9 Sep 1857 in Tazewell who was married to John Alexander P. RATLIFF b. Sep 1852. However, during a recent visit to the Old Glade Cemetary in Glade Spring, VA I found the headstone of David; included on this same stone was the name of his wife, Harriet M. ______ b. 26 Nov 1839 d. 5 Nov 1911. Can anyone solve this mystery? Who was the mother of Martha? Did David have two wives? Any help would be appreciated. Emme Ratcliff Leslie

During earlier research of the wife of George STUMP b. abt 1770/1780 I came across the names Rhoda SCIENSENTAFEE or SANTAFEE born about the same time. More recent research in the Tazewell area has uncovered other spellings assumed to be of the same family; i.e., SCICENTAFER, SCICUNTAFER, SINCINTAFFER, SINCENTAFEE, and SINCENTAFFY (later shortened to TAFFY). These spellings appear in various census records of the early 1800s. Discussions with others in the Tazewell area would seem to indicate that these names probably are one and the same and are of Indian origin. I’m wondering if these are anglicized versions of an Indian name. I do notice that “Standing Deer” was a relatively popular Indian name of the region during this time. Possibly the above could be a takeoff of this or another similar name. Can anyone possibly help me and provide some additional background on Rhoda? Was she Indian and does anyone know of her parents? I do notice that a John SINCENTAFFER does have a 60-70 year old female in his household in the 1830 Tazewell census. Could this be my Rhoda (she apparently was alive on 12 Feb 1825 to handle the will of George)? Any help would be appreciated. Emme Ratcliff Leslie

Emma, Out of curiosity, I'm wondering what part of the country you are talking about. My grandmother's grandmother was a Lydia Stump(f) born in 1838 according to my aunt's records. My grandmother always said her grandmother was an Indian ... and there was a photo my grandmother had (but it is now lost) that showed Lydia in full indian dress (both my mother and aunt remember seeing the picture). Grandma also indicated that Lydia's husband, Sylvester Hall (born 1814), had been an indian scout. They had a son, George Nelson Hall. According to my records, they lived and died in Pickaway County, but to-date, I have been unable to locate where they were born or their families. Your story makes me wonder ... could my Lydia have been half Indian? could she have named her son after her grandfather? This is my brick wall family ... so perhaps I'm grasping at straws. Regards, Sue > -----Original Message----- > From: pwnlerl [mailto:wnlerl@cts.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 9:29 PM > To: STUMP-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Wife of George STUMP abt 1770 > > > > > During earlier research of the wife of George STUMP b. abt 1770/1780 I > came across the names Rhoda SCIENSENTAFEE or SANTAFEE born about the > same time. More recent research in the Tazewell area has uncovered other > spellings assumed to be of the same family; i.e., SCICENTAFER, > SCICUNTAFER, SINCINTAFFER, SINCENTAFEE, and SINCENTAFFY (later shortened > to TAFFY). These spellings appear in various census records of the early > 1800s. Discussions with others in the Tazewell area would seem to > indicate that these names probably are one and the same and are of > Indian origin. > > I’m wondering if these are anglicized versions of an Indian name. I do > notice that “Standing Deer” was a relatively popular Indian name of the > region during this time. Possibly the above could be a takeoff of this > or another similar name. > > Can anyone possibly help me and provide some additional background on > Rhoda? Was she Indian and does anyone know of her parents? I do notice > that a John SINCENTAFFER does have a 60-70 year old female in his > household in the 1830 Tazewell census. Could this be my Rhoda (she > apparently was alive on 12 Feb 1825 to handle the will of George)? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Emme Ratcliff Leslie >

Seeking info on the decendancy John STUMP (1812--1853) of Adams County PA. His wife was Maria ROTH (1818-1887). Frank McCraw (Manassas, VA)

Seeking information on Maria Stump born around 1800 in York County PA or near there. She was the spouse of Abraham ROTH III. Frank McCraw (Manassas VA)

Hi List, Well, I didn't find any Stampfs yet but found a Stumpf on the 1870 Brooklyn, Kings Co., NY Birth Index yesterday....here it is in case it will help anyone: STUMPF Male born 12-15-70 Mother: Otilia? Cert No: 4634 Joanie

Hello Everyone: I am the person who accidently gave Gordon the wrong name for FREDERICK STUMP's wife. You are all correct ANNA SNAVELY & CATHERINE GINGRY. SARAH SWINNEY was my 4th great-grandmother whose daughter MARY SARAH TURNER married the son of BARBARA STUMP and PHINEAS COX, SAMUEL COX. I have SARAH STUMP who married PHILMER WHITWORTH as the daughter of FREDERICK STUMP JR. son of FREDERICK STUMP & ANNA SNAVELY. Allice Reynolds

Hi! I am related to Nell McNish Gambill through her brother Samuel A. McNish, my great-grandfather. She was not a descendent of Capt Leeper and Susan Drake. That was her husband's family. The first half of the book is her husband's family and the second half is her family. Her family includes chapters on the McNish, Stump, Marshall, and Dean families. Nell's mother was Julia Ann Stump, daughter of Thomas Jefferson Stump and Malinda Marshall, granddaughter of Maj. Christopher Stump, great-granddaughter of Col. Frederick Stump. I have a copy of her book if anyone needs some info. One problem is that Aunt Nell did not put any sources in her book and I have found that some of the facts are incorrect. But it has given me a good clues and a starting point for my research. Christine M. McNish mail to: mcnishcm@udmercy.edu or mcnishcm@aol.com Researching: McNish, Bingham, Sutton, Shannon/Shanahan, Kirtley, Bump, Crotty, Daniels, Dean, Dowd, Drake, Fetterly, Stump Husband's Research: Beaudoin, Forsberg, Vachon dit Pomerleau, Polschau/ Pelchat, DeMars, Selnar

>Out of ignorance... > >What are the Guice and Gamble books all about? > >Period-families-etc.? > >Thanks, > >Larry Woodard >In the Heart of Dixie >PS Laissez les bons temps roulez >('let the good times roll' for you northerners). > --Guice, Julia Cook. (1991). Frederick Stump; The Rest of the Story. Biloxi, MS: (privately published). Hans Frederick Stump, 1723-1820, PA>GA>TN, was one of the original setlers in Davidson Co., TN (Christmas Day, 1779). He was one of the more "colorful" characters in our early history. This book summarizes his experiences in Pennsylvania, where he got into trouble with the Quakers and the Indians after killing several Indians who broke into his house and then going to their camp and killing several more. (There are many variations of what actually happened, including the possible loss of several of his children.) This almost precipitated a war. He escaped from jail and next turned up in the Ceded Lands in Georgia, where he farmed and developed several mills. He fought with Marion ("The Swamp Fox") in the Revolution, was imprisoned in St. Augustine by the British, then escaped and moved his family away from the British-controlled area just in time to join the James Robertson party and go to what was to become Fort Nashborough. Once again he thrived in business, living in Davidson Co. until he was 97 years old. --Gambill, Nell McNish. ((1946). The Kith and Kin of Capt. James Leeper and Susan Drake. Nashville, TN.: (privately published). Nell Gambill was a descendent of Frederick Stump and of Susan Drake and James Leeper, the first couple married in Fort Nashborough, TN (1780), in what later became Nashville. James ROBERTSON performed the ceremony. Capt. LEEPER/LEIPER was killed in the Battle of the Bluff, April 2, 1781. Mrs. Gambill summarizes information about several branches of her family (DRAKE, SMITH, CRIDDLE, EWING, GAMBILL, WHELESS, McNISH, DEAN, STUMP, and MARSHALL). She also includes some "Tennessee Historical Miscellany." These book are both available at the Tennessee State Library in Nashville. Macalyne Fristoe Lafayette, IN 47905

Out of ignorance... What are the Guice and Gamble books all about? Period-families-etc.? Thanks, Larry Woodard In the Heart of Dixie PS Laissez les bons temps roulez ('let the good times roll' for you northerners). -----Original Message----- From: Siriuspace@aol.com [SMTP:Siriuspace@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 4:39 PM To: STUMP-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Frederick Stump Macalyne: I assume that the Guice and Gamble books show Frederick Stump Sr's wife as Ann Snavely, right? If so, who was Sarah Swinney? As you know, I am looking for the Sarah Stump who married Alsey Pace in Davidson Co, TN on 8/17/1808. It appears very unlikely to me that Sarah/Sally Stump was a daughter of Frederick, Sr. She was born about 1780 to 1790 when Ann Snavely was over 55. Also she is not mentioned in Frederick's will - the other living children are. I suspect that Sarah/Sally was a granddaughter of Sr and was a daughter of Frederick Stump, Jr. Frederick Jr. had a daughter named Sarah and a son named Jacob. Sally (Stump) Pace and Jacob Stump were listed on a bond as owing the Alsey Pace estate in 1815, after Alsey died in the war. It is known that Jacob's sister Sarah married Philmer Whitworth. But if this marriage took place after 1813 (when Alsey died) she could have been Alsey's wife before she married Philmer. Or perhaps there is another granddaughter of Frederick named Sarah or Sally. Can anyone help resolve this mystery? Gordon W. Pace siriuspace@aol.com

>Is there anyone who can do a lookup for me in the book, "Frederick Stump, The >Rest of the Story," by Julia Cook Guice, 1991. I am trying to find evidence >that the Sarah (or Sally) Stump who married Alsey Pace was a daughter of >Frederick. Or was she a granddaughter? Also, how many wives did Frederick >have? I have seen Ann Snavely and Sarah Swinney as his wives but haven't >seen the evidence. >Thanks, >Gordon W. Pace >siriuspace@aol.com > >______________________________ I have checked in both Julia Guice and Nell Gamble's books and have found no evidence that Hans Frederick STUMP had a daughter named Sarah. Guice lists Sarah STUMP, wife of Alcey PACE, as someone who _might_ have been a child of Hans Frederick, but says that there is no record of such a relationship. Hans Frederick STUMP had only two wives. The second was Catherine Gingry, a barmaid at his tavern, who was about 25 years old when they married (he was about 93 and lived four more years. As the GGGG granddaughter of Hans Frederick STUMP through his son John, I collect everything that I can about this man. I hope that you can find evidence of Sarah's relationship to him. Paul Tobler, who is doing Snavely research, listed Sarah as one of his children, but I do not know the basis for this. Let me know if you find out anything new. Macalyne Watkins Fristoe Lafayette, IN Transplanted Tennessean

Macalyne: I assume that the Guice and Gamble books show Frederick Stump Sr's wife as Ann Snavely, right? If so, who was Sarah Swinney? As you know, I am looking for the Sarah Stump who married Alsey Pace in Davidson Co, TN on 8/17/1808. It appears very unlikely to me that Sarah/Sally Stump was a daughter of Frederick, Sr. She was born about 1780 to 1790 when Ann Snavely was over 55. Also she is not mentioned in Frederick's will - the other living children are. I suspect that Sarah/Sally was a granddaughter of Sr and was a daughter of Frederick Stump, Jr. Frederick Jr. had a daughter named Sarah and a son named Jacob. Sally (Stump) Pace and Jacob Stump were listed on a bond as owing the Alsey Pace estate in 1815, after Alsey died in the war. It is known that Jacob's sister Sarah married Philmer Whitworth. But if this marriage took place after 1813 (when Alsey died) she could have been Alsey's wife before she married Philmer. Or perhaps there is another granddaughter of Frederick named Sarah or Sally. Can anyone help resolve this mystery? Gordon W. Pace siriuspace@aol.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4D90B6050FE8EE13C67AF006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello STUMP Researchers: I am searching for information about Jacob STUMP who was born 1834 in Germany. Between 1854 and 1862 he married my great grandmother, Anna Margarethal 'Turp' MIES in perhaps Armühla, Rhineprovinz, DEU?. Their eldest, Elizabeth had 3 brothers and 2 sisters. Her youngest brother, Henry STUMP was born June 16, 1875, in Armühla, Rhineprovinz, DEU according to database being compiled for the area. it is noted therein that all children were born in Armühla. Therefore, assume they immigrated to America after that time and shortly? before they came to St. Mark, KS in 1886. John served in the German Army before immigrating to America. On his 1918 Axis Alien Registration, son, John, states he entered the US through the port of New York on the 13th day of May 1889 on the ship, Westerland. After his stint in the German Army. Naturalized 1896. Does anyone have any further information? Did other family members immigrate with them or at another time? Can anyone do a lookup of Immigration Application and family records? Peggie from KS living in CA Descendants of Jacob William Stump 1 Jacob William STUMP, b: January 28, 1834 in Kerpen, Kreis Daun, DEU, d: December 21, 1908 in St. Mark, Sedgwick, KS St. Mark Cath Anna Margarethal 'Turp' MIES, b: February 28, 1836 in Ahrmuhle, Rhineprovinz, DEU, m: 1854-1862 in Ahrmuhle, Rhineprovinz, DEU Father: Franz MIES, Mother: Anna REIFFERSCHEID, d: April 29, 1911 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS Elizabeth Ann STUMP, b: May 13, 1863 in Ripsdorf by Blankenheim DEU, d: October 17, 1937 in Mt Vernon, Reno, KS +Johannes 'John' Bernard KNOBLAUCH, Jr b: August 01, 1855 in Böhmenkirch, Geisling, Württemberg, Germany, m: February 09, 1891 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS, Father: Johannes 'Hannes' Bernard/Baptist KNOBLAUCH, Sr, Mother: Josepha 'Josephine' MÄLER, d: November 17, 1941 in Colwich, Sedgwick, KS Johann Theodore "John" STUMP b: February 02, 1865 in Ahrmule/Aruhle ( ), DEU, d: September 06, 1930 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS +Elizabeth ( ) OSWEILER b: October 26, 1883 in Andale, Sedgwick, KS, m: 1900-1901 in Andale, Sedgwick, KS, Father: Theodore ( ) OSWEILER, S., Mother: Frances ( ) RUEHL, d: June 04, 1954 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS Peter Joseph STUMP, b: May 26, 1867 in Ripsdorf by Blankenheim, DEU, d: February 22, 1921 in St Mark, Sedgwick, Kansas +Marie 'Mary' STRUNK, b: February 17, 1877 in Borler, ( ), ( ) Germany, m: Bef. May 07, 1899 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS St Mark Cath, Father: Anton () STRUNK, Mother: Margaretha (wife of Anton) STRUNK, d: March 03, 1980 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS St Mark Cath Joseph STUMP I, b: October 25, 1869 in Ahrmuhle, Rhineprovinz, DEU, d: November 17, 1869 in Ahrmuhle, Rhineprovinz, DEU Anna Margaretha 'Maggie' STUMP b: June 28, 1870 in Rispdorf by Blankenheim, DEU, d: September 22, 1967 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS +Frederick William 'Bill' HEIN I, b: April 01, 1869 in Johnsburg, McHenry, IL m: April 28, 1896 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS, Father: Michael Benjamin HEIN, Mother: Elizabeth () HILGER, d: August 09, 1921 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS Joseph STUMP II, b: November 08, 1871 in Ahrmuhle, Rhineprovinz, DEU, d: November 10, 1871 in Ahrmuhle, Rhineprovinz, DEU Magdalena ( ) 'Lena' STUMP, b: March 10, 1873 in Ripsdorf by Blankenheim, DEU, d: March 19, 1912 in Andale, Sedgwick, KS +Frederick? ( ) 'Fritz' FREUND, b: August 30, 1869 in ( ), ( ), ( ), m: 1890-1892 in ( ), ( ), ( ), Father: Nikolaus "Nick" FREUND, Mother: Katherina ( ) FREIN, d: November 30, 1913 in Andale, Sedgwick, KS Henry ( ) STUMP b: June 16, 1875 in ( ), ( ), ( ), d: September 23, 1935 in Wichita, Sedgwick, KS +Theodora 'Dora' HEIN, b: March 09, 1878 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS, m: April 30, 1901 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS St Mark Cath, Father: Michael Benjamin HEIN, Mother: Elizabeth ( ) HILGER, d: November 03, 1934 in St Mark, Sedgwick, KS *RUMOR: Another Wife??? of Jacob William Stump: (This is impossible-- check the dates) Could it be that this was Jacobs mother and that Jacobs father was also named Jacob? +Mary GARHART, b: Unknown in ?, m: Unknown in ( ) Father:?, Mother:?, d: Unknown in ( ), ( ), ( ) -- Reach me by ICQ. My ICQ# is 16963465 or, * Page me online through my Personal Communication Center: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/16963465 (go there and try it!) or, * Send me E-mail Express directly to my computer screen 16963465@pager.mirabilis.com For downloading ICQ at http://www.icq.com/ For adding similar signatures to your e-mail go to: http://www.icq.com/emailsig.html My Fax Number is: 1-760-721-7689 Peggie Knoblauch W. Ballard --------------4D90B6050FE8EE13C67AF006 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="aenmedia.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Peggie (Knoblauch) Ballard Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="aenmedia.vcf" begin:vcard n:Ballard;Marguerite Knoblauch x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:version:2.1;;;Oceanside;CA;;USA version:2.1 email;internet:aenmedia@home.com x-mozilla-cpt:;-20512 end:vcard --------------4D90B6050FE8EE13C67AF006--