This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stroup Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0IQBAEB/311 Message Board Post: I have just rebuilt my genealogy web site that contains an expanded Stroup genealogy file. You can check it out at http://home.earthlink.net/~wmson27.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stroup, St. John Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0IQBAEB/310 Message Board Post: Searching for the Stroup family that lived in Billings, Montana in the 1930s - 1960s and owned a hardware store, Stroup's Hardware. A relative of mine worked there and I am trying to find any records on this relative (John B. St. John). Any help would be appreciated. My email is: [email protected] Thanks!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Straub, Stroub, Ryan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0IQBAEB/6.13.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: It is my policy at my web site not to reveal information about living people, which has meant that there is almost nothing on my web site regarding STRAUB/STROUB/etc., in the 1900s. Also, while I have some information about STRAUBs who came to NY in the 1700s and moved, in the 1700s, on to Pennsylvania, there is virtually nothing on NY STRAUBs at my web site. Most of the STRAUBs at my web site immigrated to Pennsylvania (in the 1700s) or Ohio (in the 1800s). Sorry. I would recommend, for your first move, to get your grandparents' death certificates. These should give you not only the dates and places where they were born and died, but should also give you the names and birthplaces of their parents. Always work from the known to the unknow, backwards and step by step. Good hunting. P.S. STROUB is often a phonetic misspelling of STRAUB, so look for that surname, too.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Straub, Stroub, Van Stroub, Von Straub Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0IQBAEB/45.62.63.64.1.2.1 Message Board Post: ST. ROB! Well, that's a new one! STRAUB, STRAUBE, STROUB, and VON STRAUB are Germanic surnames. STRAUBE, which is much less common than STRAUB, originates mostly from northeastern Germany, especially in and around Berlin. Most STRAUBs originate from southern Germany and Austria, the adjacent German-speaking region of Switzerland, and the adjacent ethnic-German enclave of Alsace-Lorraine in France. A much lesser number of STRAUBs originate from ethnic-German enclaves in Hungary and western Russia. Yours is the first instance of VAN STROUB I've seen, and I've yet to come across a VAN STRAUB or a VON STROUB. A check of Yahoo People Search shows there are currently no VAN/VON STRAUB/STROUBs listed in the U.S. A check of the AIS Census Index, which indexes nearly all pre-1860 censuses and many 1860-1880 censuses, also shows no VAN/VON STRAUB/STROUBs. STROUB is uncommon compared to STRAUB and is usually a phonetic misspelling derived from STRAUB. The VON/VAN versions are (obviously) very rare compared to the non-VON/VAN versions. You can check these large databases for the surname to get a feel for what is common: http://www.familysearch.org http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi http://www.genealogy.com/ Be sure with FamilySearch to check the box, "Use exact spelling." As for helping with your grandfather, we'd need as much of the following additional information as you can supply: his name his date and place of birth his date and place of death the name of his wife the location of "Stroub's Oyster Bay Restaurant" The first documents you need to acquire are the death certificates of your father and his parents. These usually give, in addition to the dates and places of birth and death of the decedant, the names and birthplaces of the decedant's parents. I have a good deal of information on STRAUB/etc. at my web site: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/Straub/StraubHome.htm but most of what I have is pre-1850 and nearly all is pre-1900, so you'll have to get back a generation or two more before you are likely to hook into any line there. Good hunting.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stroub Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0IQBAEB/6.13.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi. This is Catherine. My grandfather was John Lafeyette Stroub. He was born in Brooklyn in 1895. He died in May of 1970. I have no knowledge of any other family members besides my grandmother Anna (Ryan), and a brother Steve, and my first cousins . He made very little mention of family at all to my Father (Walter). I am checking out your site. I would appreciate anything you could tell me.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stroub Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0IQBAEB/45.62.63.64.1.2 Message Board Post: I have a good one for this topic of debate. My maiden name is Stroub. Pronounced Str ou, as in you b. When my Dad was in the Army, he many times was called St. Rob. And to add to this, he said his surname used to be Van Stroub. But that had changed before his Father had had it. I have no clue as to where my family originated. What I do know is that there used to be a Stroub's oyster Bay restaurant. My grandfather worked there, while in his teens - around the 1910's. I would really appreciate any light someone could shed on this. All are deceased, I have no one to ask. Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: stroup murtland walker hoop cordy lafferty Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0IQBAEB/132.219.226.2 Message Board Post: my stroup line is also from Micheal. My great grand-mother was a stroup. she married a murtland here in highland county, they had 6 children. this is all on my mothers side. my name is Barbara patrick is my husband

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0IQBAEB/309.1.1 Message Board Post: I have Henry's diary in which he states left Indiana March 3rd 1850 which would have been after the census. He made the trip five or more times going west by wagon train and returning via ship from San Francisco to Panama, across by land to the eastern shore then by boat to the east coast and across land to Indiana to see his folks. His son was born in Indiana (Henry Burdett Stroup) 1878 my great grandfather. I know the history book says he went to Dakota but not so. My Henry B. Stroup is listed in the 1850 census of El Dorada County, CA. Sisters and brothers are a match and the only large Stroup family I find in Indiana in 1850 so it seems logical that they are the same. Any help would be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Straub, Stroup, Stroub, Miller, Mueller, Müller, Sheets, Schitz, Woolsey, Crawford, Cupp, Haas, Hoss Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0IQBAEB/309.1 Message Board Post: What I have on Joseph & Elizabeth (MILLER) STRAUB/STROUP is online at my web site in the form of a linked family group sheet: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/Straub/FGS/JosephStraub-ElizabethMiller.htm Joseph's surname was originally STRAUB, and STROUP is its most common variation. I do not know Joseph's parents, but I have been working on him because I believe he is a brother of Andrew S. STRAUB/STROUB, my GG-grandfather. I have Joseph's census records from 1830 to 1880, which are on his web page, as is a biographical sketch of him from the 1885 book, "History of De Kalb County, Indiana." He was born 1800/01 in PA, then appears in Marion Co., OH, where on 19 Aug 1825 he married Elizabeth MILLER (b. 1808/9, PA; d. Jun 1881, De Kalb Co., IN; d/o Henry MILLER & Ann Elizabeth SHEETS). They are German, so MILLER was probably originally MüLLER/MUELLER, and SHEETS was probably SCHITZ (or something similar). Joseph STRAUB/STROUP is in the 1830 census of Marion Co., OH, then in the 1840/50/60 censuses of De Kalb Co., IN. Widow Elizabeth (MILLER) STROUP appears in the 1870/80 censuses of De Kalb Co. The reason you don't find Henry in the 1850 California census is that he was living in Indiana with his parents in the 1850 census. I'm afraid this raises a question as to whether he really went to California in 1849 because, even if he did go, he couldn't have gotten back to Indiana in time to be enumerated there. Not everyone went to CA in 1849; the rush went on for years afterwards. Henry didn't marry until 1854, so there was time for him to have gone to CA between 1850 and 1854. I have some confusion over the birthplaces of Henry's children (which you will see on his family group sheet) that I hope you can clear up. If you find any errors, please don't hesitate to bring them to my attention. http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/Straub/FGS/HenryBurdettStraub-MaryWoolsey.htm As for Joseph, I believe these are his siblings (all were born in PA and all marriages with dates took place in Marion Co., OH): Andrew S. STRAUB (1797-1858), m1. 3 Mar 1825, Priscilla CRAWFORD; m2. 4 Oct 1836, Nancy CUPP Benjamin STRAUB/STROUP (1802-1873); m. Elizabeth HAAS/HOSS Samuel STRAUB (c1806- ); m. 13 Jul 1826, Hannah MILLER Susanna STRAUB (1809/10- ); m. Paul CRAWFORD Some descendants of Andrew's have a family tradition of being descended from Andrew STRAUB (1770-c1826), founder of Freeburg, Snyder Co., PA [not to be confused with Andrew STRAUB (1748-1806), founder of Milton, Northumberland Co., PA]. I have found no proof of the connection, but neither have I found any evidence disproving it. You are the first person I've found descended from Joseph. So glad to find someone working on his genealogy!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0IQBAEB/309 Message Board Post: Joseph and Elizabeth of Dekalb Co, IN had seven children: Henry B., Simon, Jacob, Mary, Mana, Barbara, Solomon. The oldest Henry Burdett is my greatgrandfather. He left the family when he was 19 and headed for the gold fields of CA 1849. Trying to locate the parents in DeKalb. They show up in the 1860 census. The census records of 1850 are almost unreadable at the Family History Library in Oakland, CA. I am trying to track the family back to Penn. where the parents were born.

this is interesting. myrtle in Missouri and momma's name was and momma's name was Myrtle Pauline

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: STROUP(E) Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0IQBAEB/308.1.1 Message Board Post: The only info I have is a copy made from the courthouse records in Franklin County appointing Dr. W. D. Stroupe guardian of George W. St. Clair Jr. The Ft. Smith newspaper had an article about the Poor Farm in Ft. Smith and mentioned Dr. W. B. Stroup being in charge. Good luck in your search.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stroup Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0IQBAEB/308.1 Message Board Post: I would like information on ANY Stroups from the Fort Smith, AR area. I believe my ggg-grandfather, Philip Stroup, may be buried there. Also possibly his brother, Sylvester/Sylvanius Stroup. ANY help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: STROUPE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0IQBAEB/308 Message Board Post: I would like information about the Dr. W. B. Stroup that was in charge of the County Poor House and Hospital on Catholic Ave Road in Ft. Smith in 1890. Wonder if he is same Dr. Stroupe that was appointed guardian of George W. St. Clair who grew up to be a doctor also and practiced in Oklahoma.

Shrieek!!! It is the software that gateways STROUP message board posts to the STROUP-L mailing list that is messing up the use of ß. I *did* use the ASCII code (Alt-225), not the ANSI code (Alt-0223), and *still* the German double-s character (ß) got changed to ß. I give up! [email protected] wrote: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Straub, Stroup, Strauss, Strauß > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0IQBAEB/45.62.63.64.1.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Please, let me emphasis... > > German ß is not "German B". The letter is called "ess-zett" in German or "double-s" in English. Strauß in German is Strauss in English; and the surname, when spoken, ends in a "ss" sound in both languages. > > German B and English B are equivalent. Straub is Straub (and STRAUB is STRAUB) in both English and German; and the name, when spoken, ends in a "b" sound in both languages. > > You can make the ß character on a computer by holding down the Alt key and entering 225 on the numerical keypad. The Numlock has to be on, and you can't use the row of number keys above the letter keys. Alt-225 is the ASCII code for ß, which works on DOS, Windows, and, I believe, UNIX computers -- I'm not certain about Apple Computers. > > If you are using Windows as your operating system, you can also use the ANSI code, which is Alt-0223 for ß. ANSI codes don't work in Windows Notepad because Windows Notepad is an ASCII text editor; you have to use ASCII codes in Notepad. The ASCII code should also be used in email, rather than ANSI codes, which are specific to the Windows operating system. Some fonts do not have the ß character, but the standard fonts do (e.g., Times, Courier, Arial, Tahoma, Georgia, etc.). > > Forgive me for being so persistent here -- like, in beating the subject to death -- but this matter arises again and again. Thanks for being so patient as my sounding board. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Straub, Stroup, Strauss, Strauß Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0IQBAEB/45.62.63.64.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Please, let me emphasis... German ß is not "German B". The letter is called "ess-zett" in German or "double-s" in English. Strauß in German is Strauss in English; and the surname, when spoken, ends in a "ss" sound in both languages. German B and English B are equivalent. Straub is Straub (and STRAUB is STRAUB) in both English and German; and the name, when spoken, ends in a "b" sound in both languages. You can make the ß character on a computer by holding down the Alt key and entering 225 on the numerical keypad. The Numlock has to be on, and you can't use the row of number keys above the letter keys. Alt-225 is the ASCII code for ß, which works on DOS, Windows, and, I believe, UNIX computers -- I'm not certain about Apple Computers. If you are using Windows as your operating system, you can also use the ANSI code, which is Alt-0223 for ß. ANSI codes don't work in Windows Notepad because Windows Notepad is an ASCII text editor; you have to use ASCII codes in Notepad. The ASCII code should also be used in email, rather than ANSI codes, which are specific to the Windows operating system. Some fonts do not have the ß character, but the standard fonts do (e.g., Times, Courier, Arial, Tahoma, Georgia, etc.). Forgive me for being so persistent here -- like, in beating the subject to death -- but this matter arises again and again. Thanks for being so patient as my sounding board.

Hi! I hate to be a thorn but thought I should pass this along: I have a copy of an 1848 deed from Columbia County, PA of a Jacob STROUP & wife (Catharine) selling a tract of land in Derry Twp to Hatty Albright. [Columbia County, PA Deed Book Vol. 11, p. 379-380] According to this deed, when Jacob first bought the land he was known as Jacob STROUSE [recorded in Columbia County Deed Book Vol. F (I think - hard to read), p. 406 & 407]. According to one STRUASS researcher STROUSE and STRAUSE were common variations. There's also a book at the PA State Library which, unfortunately, I only had time to glance at called "Notes on the early history in the country of the Strauss (Stroop, Stroup, Straup, Strubb, Strupp, Strope, etc.) family" by Gail Ann Breitbard. I looked at it enough to know the author believed Stroup and others evolved from Strauss but don't know her reasoning. Sorry! Maybe there's someone else out there who's familiar with this book? And as a small point of interest, my maiden name is Stroup which we pronounced so that it rhymed with "trout." We knew other Stroup families who pronounced it so that it rhymed with "soup." We believed since we weren't related that the difference in pronunciation was a good indication of not having a common ancestry. Of course, we couldn't have been more wrong! My father pronounces the name more like Strawp (kind of rhymes with clot) and he said his grandfather, William Herve who was born and raised in Columbia Co., PA (Adam Straub, Sr. was his great grandfather) pronounced the name almost like it was two syllables - "straw-up." Linda Allen [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0IQBAEB/45.62.63.64.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank's for clearing that up Diana. My source of information was, of all places, a CD of Johann Strauss, and as you wrote, they did not use an English B at the end of Straub, but rather a German B. (Don't have that symbol on my computer) Talked with an old Mennonite gentleman in the Juniata valley back in the 80s while searching cemetaries. He was the one that told me the names Stroup and Straub were interchangabel. I just mis-understood what he ment. I apologize if I mis-led anyone.

This is a repeat of my earlier message, using the correct code (Alt-225) for German s-zett (sz or double-s). ======================================================================== Yes, in America there are many phonetic misspellings of the original German/German-Swiss surname STRAUB -- and of all German surnames -- primarily because most of our German ancestors arrived here as illiterate farmers. They had no idea how to spell their own names, even in German. How their name got written down depended on the skill and diligence of some English-speaking clerk, who may very well have been barely literate himself. By far the most common variation that descendants of STRAUB have adopted is STROUP. The next most common is probably STROUB. My own grandfather spelled his name two ways, STROUB and STRAUB, as did his grandfather -- and both were literate. All of his descendants spell it STRAUB (and pronounce it STRAWB). And, of course, the number of misreadings of STRAUB and STROUP by indexers and transcribers is even greater than the number of phonetic misspellings! However, I'm afraid I have to disagree that there is any connection between STRAUB and STRAUSS... The letters "S" and "B" are definitely not interchangeable in German. In English and German, the letter "B" is equivalent. I'm afraid you are confusing the German letter "ß" called s-zett ("ess-tset") with English "B", which letters are not equivalent. German "ß" is equivalent to English "ss" which is why you will see "STRAUSS" spelled "STRAUß," but you will never see "STRAUB" spelled "STRAUß," except by someone who doesn't know German. STRAUSS is not English for STRAUB, it is English for STRAUß. If there is any name that is an Anglicized version of STRAUB, it is STROUP. If you are aware that the German surname was not pronounced STRAWB, but STROWB (the vowel rhymes with sow, not sob), then you will understand why STROUP was the most common Anglicized version of STRAUB. Note that, initially, STROUP was almost certainly pronounced "STROWP." Over time, the pronunciation STROWP became STROOP (and STROWB became STRAWB). Bottom line is... there is no connection between surnames STRAUB and STRAUSS. Neither surname is derived from the other because no German would ever confuse "B" and "ß." And no German or English-speaker would confuse the two when spoken because STRAUB and STRAUSS don't sound alike. The only possible place for confusion is an English-speaking person copying the surname from a document *written* in German, though I have yet to run across such an instance in historical records because an English-speaking clerk is not likely to even attempt to read or copy a document written in German. Sorry to have to disagree, but I think it's important to clear this up. For further discussion on the general issue of spelling, please see this web page: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/Misc/Common/Spelling.htm Also, I apologize for the inconvenience, but the URL to my genealogy web site has changed to: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/index.htm Good hunting.

Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > >snip< > >What about using an ASCII code. Here, I'll test it: > > ß > > There, that was the ASCII code for German double-s, which is Alt-225. Did > it work? Well, obviously, the ASCII code did work. Live and learn... For the record, I'm going to repost my original message with the correct coding. It just doesn't make sense the way it is. Diana