Hi Meg! Your message about Valentine Strong is indeed interesting. I also note Martha's message about a Valentine Strong. I think there are several points of interest to be explored: First, I think Martha will come up with an English connection for her Valentine Strong.... I also think BoB Strong sent out a message sometime ago about the English connections of a Valentine Strong. All that is important, because believe the Irish County Waterford Strongs, mentioned below, can be traced to the English Strongs Martha and BoB have pointed up before.... detailing that link is somewhere down my list of priorities, and I would be very happy to give my data and info to someone who is interested in persuing it further. Second, noting the Valentine Strong you have found is "a native Irish", the name is listed in my Ireland Database under numbers 141/2, 142/3, 1092/3, and 1093/4. (Note, the numbers are "slashed" because the same record shows up 'one digit off' in two differing versions of the database). In the first two records, Valentine Strong, son of Edward and Margaret Strong of the townland of Kill, Parish of St. Nicholas, Diocese of Cork, Baroney of Gaultier, County of Waterford, Ireland, is being christened; first on Sep 14 1740, and second on Jul 8, 1746. Obviously, the question is, is this the same Valentine in each case, or is the second a child named for a deceased first child?... another speculation is raised below.... In the second two records, Valentine Strong is listed as a passenger, aged 39, arriving in Virginia in either 1774 or 1775. The difference is in the accuracy of the two sources involved. Tepper, "Passengers to America", says 1774; Fothergill, "Emigrants from England, 1773-1776" says 1775. Another obvious question in all of this is whether the Valentine Strongs in my database are each the same person, and further, whether any of them are the Valentine Strong you have found. Yours is supposedly "about 20 years of age" in 1749. That would seem to make him too old to be the same Valentine Strong who was christened in 1740 or 1746.... However, could we build a HYPOTHESIS that he was really younger than 20 in 1746? It appears that your Valentine Strong was not very tall (not unusual in that era), but he could be younger than 20 based on that. Also, he appears to have been indentured first, to Alexander Cruikshanks in 1749, and second, to William Spear in 1750; before joining Sir william Pepperell's Regiment of Foot about 1755. He ran from all three of these ventures. Why? Was he a never-do-well, an incorrigible? Was this why he was christened twice in Ireland... disparing parents trying desperately to Christianize a little heathen? Was he sent to Pennsylvania as an indentured servant to try to "straighten him out"???? ALL OF THE ABOVE IS PURE SPECULATION!!!!! But, suppose further, your Valentine Strong traveled back to Ireland sometime after 1755... going with the hypothesis that he was ABOUT 20, and maybe 25, in 1749, he COULD have been 39 in 1774 or 1775.... and he COULD have emigrated to Virginia from ENGLAND as that might have been his immediate country of departure even tho he was originally from Ireland... AGAIN THIS IS PURE SPECULATION!!! Sometime ago we had a correspondant on the STRONG-List who was looking for a Valentine Strong in Pennsylvania. I don't think she subscribes any longer. I just checked thru my files and can't come up with the right name or email address for her. I suspect she might be very interested in all this material.... If anyone else can remember her name or address, hopefully this info can be forwarded to her. Good Work, Meg!!! I will add your info re the Irish Valentine Strong of Pennsylvania to my Irish data base. Thanks for the help! Regards, David B. "Dave" Strong Email: [email protected] Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 ************* -----Original Message----- From: Megan Scott <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 8:53 PM Subject: Valentine STRONG (and John STRONG) >Four interesting items from the University of PA Library >searchable archives site: >http://204.170.102.11/cgi-bin/accessible/verify.pl > >(Home page for the library: >http://www.library.upenn.edu/home.html >++++++++++++++++++ > >May 8, 1755 The Pennsylvania Gazette ITEM #18233 > >Philadelphia, May 8, 1755. >Deserted from Capt. Simon Des Cury, of one of his Majesty >regiments of foot, commanded by Sir William Pepperell >baronet, Patrick Mannus, five feet seven inches high, has >black shagged hair, and a black hair mole on his right >cheek: Had on when he went away, a blue coat, and black >leather breeches. Also << Valentine Strong>> , five feet >five inches high, with black short hair: had on when he >went away, a brown jacket. >Whoever secures the above deserters in any of his Majesty >goals, or brings them to Capt. Douglass, of the said >regiment, now recruiting here, shall have a Guinea reward >for each, and all charges paid. > >+++++++++++++++ > >June 21, 1750 The Pennsylvania Gazette ITEM #11892 > >Run away from William Spear, of Donnegall township, >Lancaster county, 2 servant men; one a native Irish, named ><< Valentine Strong>> , he is about 5 feet 6 inches high, >black complexion,and black eyed, low haired, but cut off: >Had on when he went away, a large English castor hat, >likewise a grey coloured great coat, with several other >old clothes, with ozenbrigs shirt and trowsers; he used to >follow soap boiling, in the old country, but now pretends >wampum making. The other this >country born, about 5 feet 8 inches high, a slender young >fellow, pock mark, brownish complexion, a grey coat, with >a large cape, leather breeches; took with them 2 >creatures, a grey horse, and a white mare, with a foal, >the mare has a great scar above her tail. The country born >is named Bartholomew Logan, and he is a wampum maker >likewise. Whoever >takes up and secures said servants, so as they may be had >again, if in this province Five Pounds reward, or in any >other province Six Pistoles, paid by me WILLIAM SPEAR. >N.B. All masters of vessels are desired not to carry them >away. >+++++++++++++++++++++++ >uly 6, 1749 The Pennsylvania Gazette ITEM #10801 >July 6, 1749 The Pennsylvania Gazette > >Run away from Alexander Cruikshanks, an Irish servant man, >named > << Valentine Strong>> , a young fellow, about 20 years of >age, well set, black complexion, and has a down look: had >on when he went away, an old grey german serge coat, a >flannel jacket, with the stripes round his body, old >leather breeches, large felt hat, old wig, grey yarn >stockings, and new shoes. Whoever takes up and secures >said servant in any goal, so as his master may have him >again, shall have Forty Shillings reward, and reasonable >charges, paid by ALEXANDER CRUIKSHANKS. >++++++++++++++++ > >May 2, 1787 The Pennsylvania Gazette ITEM #73834 > >BOSTON, April 19. > >We have obtained from undoubted authority, a list of >persons convicted by the supreme judicial court at their >late session in the county of Berkshire, viz. Aaron Knapp >of West Stockbridge, Enoch Tyler of Egremont, Joseph >Williams, of New Marlborough, Nathaniel Austin of >Sheffield, Peter Wilcox, jun. of Lee, Samuel Rust, of >Pittsfield, received sentence of death for high treason. >William Whiting of Great Barrington, Esq; for uttering >divers seditious and inflammatory speeches and for making >and publishing a seditious libel, was sentenced to pay a >fine of 100l. suffer 7 months of imprisonment, and to be >bound to good behaviour for 5 years. >John Hubbard, convicted of exciting sedition, fined 100l. >and bound to good behaviour for years. Daniel Sacket, and >John Demming, convicted as above, fined 60l. each, bound >as above. Peleg Green, Oliver Root, Enoch Harskin, << John >Strong>> , convicted as above, and bound over to next term >to receive sentence............. >++++++++++ > >Judging from the date of the above, it must be related to >Shay's Rebellion. > >Meg Scott in CT > > >==== STRONG Mailing List ==== >======================================================== >Ship Captains and other Mariners named STRANG(E) or STRONG(E) >http://tor-pw1.netcom.ca/~vickerst/ships.html > >Immigrants named STRANG(E) or STRONG(E) from passenger lists >http://tor-pw1.netcom.ca/~vickerst/passlist.html >==========================================================