To Philip Strong in Australia: Hi Thanks for your most recent message.... I will try to interlineate some replies below: {:-) David B. "Dave" Strong Email: [email protected] Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 *********** -----Original Message----- From: PD & LE Strong <[email protected]> To: DBS &/or MD <[email protected]> Cc: Irish Research Group and STRONG-List <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 1:08 AM Subject: Re: Strong Genealogy >This message was encoded using an unknown text type. The message was >encoded as follows: > >Format: enriched >Character set: us-ascii > >This message was automatically generated. > >Dear Dave, > >I am re-sending my earlier e-mail to you of Fri, 1st Jan, 1999 with all >the Cc's in place so that all the other recipients may change their >data if necessary where it relates to Robert Strong's birthplace and >the date of his marriage. > >Genealogy is hard enough without the researchers introducing errors! >My apologies again both to you and all the Cc's. > >Best regards, > >Philip Strong > >>>> > ><excerpt>Dear Dave, > >I was delighted to get your e-mail of Fri, 1st Jan, 1999. > >Many thanks for the information you provided. How does one find the >link between the Robert Strong who married Jane Johnston on 13 Feb 1810 >and my Robert Strong born in 1831? Do you have any suggestions? When >I started out in this I thought that all I would have to do is to get a >few birth certificates etc. Little did I know that my ancestors spent >their leisure in burning down court houses and their enclosed records! THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF RIGHT OFF WOULD BE TO TRY TO SEARCH THE METHODIST RECORDS TO TRACE THE REV. ROBERT STRONG FROM 1810 FORWARD IN TIME.... IF YOU CAN LOCATE HIS CIRCUIT "SEAT", PERHAPS YOU CAN CHASE SOME PARISH RECORDS DOWN.... WITH CONSEQUENT BIRTH RECORDS, ETC. SEE ALSO MY NOTE BELOW RE HAMILTON STRONG! > Since sending you my earlier e-mail of 3/12/1998 I have re-checked >all my sources and I now annotate in italics what I provided as well as >clarifying where in NZ Robert settled and when he may have arrived? > >I am a retired science teacher, if this helps you in assessing what >weighting to put on my information. Though you will find that on my >re-checking I found two errors. Perhaps I should put the accent on ><underline>Retired</underline> and not on science teacher! > >The following is a copy of an e-mail with the above mentioned >re-checked and annotated info with answers to some NZ questions which I >sent on 4/12/98 to to Angela McCarthy, Department of Modern History, >Trinity College, Dublin 2,Ireland E-mail: [email protected] >who I thought at the time was either you, or was responsible for your >database (you have now told me it is not your database!). WE SEEM TO HAVE A CONFUSION FACTOR GOING... FIRST, I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY CONTACT WITH ANGELA McCARTHY. SECOND, THE DATA BASE IS INDEED MINE. QUESTION: HOW DID YOU COME IN CONTACT WITH ANGELA McCARTHY, AND DID SHE REFER YOU TO THE DATABASE? > >Best regards, > >Philip Strong > ></excerpt><<<<<<<< ################################################################## (THE FOLLOWING DATA HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY PHILIP STRONG FROM HIS PERSONAL RESEARCH, WITH SOURCES NOTED): > >First Generation (information from family bible and various newspaper >clippings etc.) >--------------------------------------------- > >1. Robert STRONG. Born in 1831 (in North Ireland Ulster? ).<italic>The >year of birth is arrived at from</italic> Robert's <italic>age which he >gave in family censuses which Robert conducted as "Head of House" and >wrote in the family bible. The place is an inference only from the >place of birth (Belfast) of his son David in 1870 and the Sunday School >in Belfast his son Robert James attended on 28/11/1874</italic>. ><italic>The misplaced brackets in my earlier e-mail suggest in error >that North Ireland is more than a mere inference! > ></italic>On 24th June 1851 when Robert was 20, he first married Jane >ROBINSON. Jane died on 26 Mar 1861. <italic>Information written by >Robert in family bible</italic>.<italic> Note that when I got the >magnifying glass out and checked the marriage date again it was 24th >June 1851 and not 26/4/1851 as in my earlier e-mail stated. > ></italic>They had the following children: <italic>Information written >by Robert in family bible</italic>. > > 2 i. Agnes (21/5/1852-) > > 3 ii. Jane (23/9/1854-) > > 4 iii. Robert (3/1/1857 - 12/11/1861) > > 5 iv. David (24/4/1859 - 22/11/1861) > ><italic>What happened in 1861 when Robert lost his wife and 2yr and 4yr >old sons? Was there an epidemic? > ></italic>On 26 Apr 1862 when Robert was 31, he second married Jane >TAIN. <italic>Information written by Robert in family bible. >Information from Robert's censuses written in the family bible fix Jane >TAIN's birth year as 1841. > ></italic>They had the following children: <italic>Information written >by Robert in family bible</italic>. > > 6 i. Robert James (17/2/1863 - 22/8/1943) > ><italic>Note that information on Robert James' death date obtained from >newspaper clipping in family bible. > > </italic>7 ii. Hamilton (21/5/1864-) > THIS NAME IS QUITE INTERESTING. NOTE THAT REV. JOHN HAMILTON, OF ST. ERNAN'S, NEAR DONEGAL TOWN, CO. DONEGAL, WAS A REFORMING METHODIST PREACHER... HE WAS ALSO THE LANDLORD OF CERTAIN STRONGS IN THE AREA, AS WAS HIS BROTHER, EDWARD HAMILTON OF BROWN HALL. SEE THE FOLLOWING URL's: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/estates.html#Ernan and http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/estates.html#Brown FOR SOME DISCUSSION OF HIM... AND NOTE THE AVAILABILITY OF A BOOK BY Rev. H.C. White, "Sixty Years' Experience as an Irish Landlord, Memoirs of John Hamilton, D.L., of St. Ernan's, Donegal", Digby, Long and Co., 18 Bouverie Street, Fleet Street, E.C., London (~1890), DISCUSSING VARIOUS ASPECTS OF HAMILTON'S LIFE. I HAVE WONDERED WHETHER WHITE'S NOTES OR THE HAMILTON RECORDS AND DIARY ENTRIES UPON WHICH WHITE'S BOOK WERE BASED ARE PRESERVED SOMEPLACE... WHICH MIGHT BE RELEVANT BECAUSE THEY MAY PROVIDE CLUES ABOUT OUR STRONGS WHICH WERE NOT OF INTEREST TO WHITE WHEN HE WROTE THE BOOK. NOTE: DALE G. STRONG OF THE IRISH RESEARCH GROUP HAS ACCESS TO THIS BOOK. NOTE ALSO, THERE IS DISCUSSION IN WHITE'S BOOK ABOUT THE FACT THAT JOHN HAMILTON ASSISTED NUMEROUS TENANTS IN EMIGRATING TO AMERICA AND PRESUMABLY ALSO AUSTRALIA AND NZ ... COULD THIS FACT RELATE TO THE NAME OF THIS CHILD ? OR COULD IT BE THAT HAMILTON WAS SIMPLY AN INSPIRATIONAL FIGURE FOR YOUR ROBERT STRONG? OR DO YOU HAVE SOME OTHER EXPLANATION FOR THE NAME??? > 8 iii. Sarah Ann (20/5/1866 -19/6/1868) > > 9 iv. Joseph (21/6/1868-) > > 10 v. David (4/8/1870-) > ><italic>David was my grandfather and his inscription in the bible >willing it to my father Robert George David gave that as his birthdate >and his place of birth as Belfast Ireland. Furthermore my father's >marriage certificate gives my grandfather's birthplace as Belfast >Ireland. > > </italic>11 vi. Mary (4/12/1872-) > > 12 vii. William Aberdare (4/2/1875 - 2/3/1947) > ><italic>Note that information on William Aberdare's death date obtained >from newspaper clipping in family bible. > > </italic>13 viii. John Taylor (17/2/1881-) > >Further information which fixes dates and localities for Robert are: > >An inscription in a small bible gives the information that on >22/11/1874, Robert's son Robert J. Strong was presented with a bible on >the occasion of his leaving the Falls Road Wesleyan Sunday School in >Belfast Ireland. In Robert's family bible is recorded family census >details which say that on 3/4/1881 Robert Lived at Wellington St. >Auckland, New Zealand and on 28/3/1886 Robert lived at Victoria Ave, >Eden Terrace, Auckland NZ. > ############################################################################ ## > >Now to answer your question... when did he arrive in New Zealand? I >can only say somewhere between the period that son David was born >Belfast on 4/8/1870 and son Robert James was presented with a bible on >the occasion of his leaving the Falls Road Wesleyan Sunday School in >Belfast Ireland on 22/11/1874 AND Robert's family bible recorded family >census details which say that on 3/4/1881 Robert lived at Wellington >St. Auckland, New Zealand. It is quite possible that the family >emigrated around 22/11/1874 since that date may not have been late >enough in the year for the Sunday School prize giving, rather it could >have been the date around which Robert James was leaving for New >Zealand. Then on the other hand Irish Sunday Schools may have had >early prize givings! > >Your next question.... where in NZ Robert settled is answered from the >above: In Robert's family bible is recorded family census details which >say that on 3/4/1881 Robert Lived at Wellington St. Auckland, New >Zealand and on 28/3/1886 Robert lived at Victoria Ave, Eden Terrace, >Auckland New Zealand. > >To confirm the New Zealand connection, you will see on the page of my >information which deals with the SECOND GENERATION Robert's children >died in the following localities: Robert James in Drury, New Zealand ><italic>(obtained from newspaper clipping in family bible).</italic> >My father said that my grandfather David emigrated from New Zealand ><italic>(personal knowledge)</italic>. David was buried in the >Northern Suburbs Crematorium, Sydney NSW Australia <italic>(personal >knowledge)</italic>. William Aberdare died in Auckland New Zealand ><italic>(obtained from newspaper clipping in family bible)</italic>. > >Can you help me further in my search? As you can see I have but merely >started. > >Do you have contacts I could try? Unfortunately science teachers were >not trained in historiography. I would certainly like some hints which >relate to the Strong family..... particularly.. are there details of >Robert in Ireland? > >Best regards, > >Philip Strong ></excerpt><<<<<<<< > ><excerpt>To PD & LE Strong, with copies to the Strong-List and the >Irish Research > >Group: > >Hi Folks! >Sorry to be delinquent in responding.... I was traveling, and after my > >return plunged straight into the holidays, so am just now getting back >to you! I am quite interested in your info. You indicate you did not >find any reference to your Robert Strong in my data base, by which I assume you >mean the Irish Database on my web site. However, one thing you mention in >the following message suggests a clue for further research. Your Robert >Strong was a Weslayan Methodist, located in Belfast, County Down. >Information available to me includes the fact that Weslayan Methodist preachers >were active in the area around Ballyshannon, Co. Donegal and adjoining Co. Fermanagh in the early 19th Century. And, of course, they traveled and preached all over Ireland. > >Records number 1994 and 456 of the Irish Strong Database refer to a >Robert Strong, who was a Weslayan Methodist preacher on the Enniskillen >circuit ride in Co. Fermanagh in 1810. This info comes from the Vestry >Records, Parchment Vestry Books, contained in the Public Record Office, Dublin. >The same Robert Strong probably was the one who married Jane Johnston of >Bonahawn Townland in the Church of Ireland Parish of Innishmacsaint, >Co.>Fermanagh, on 13 Feb 1810. (See LDS film #258753-2, at page 199). >Note, the Parish of Innishmacsaint lies both in Donegal and Fermanagh, near the >River Erne, draining lower Loch Erne. > >As you may be aware, the Weslayan Methodist movement originally was a >reform movement within the Anglican Church, which in Ireland is the Church of >Ireland. There are numerous Strongs to be found in the parish records >of Drumholm and Kilbarron and other adjoining Church of Ireland Parishes >in Donegal; also the name Robert occurs in certain Strongs of Carnhugh Townland, nearby. Some of the Strongs were involved in the Methodist movement and certain of them are known to have been Methodist at the time of their emigration to America. > >Hopefully this will give you some basis for further research. PLEASE >keep in close contact with us as you develop new info. I have a personal interest in the Strongs of this area and ANY info can be extremely helpful. > >I am copying this message to the Rootsweb Strong-List and to a group >of researchers whom I know to be particularly interested in this area of >Irish Research in the hope that some other clue(s) will appear. I look >forward to hearing further from you! > >Happy New Year! > >David B. "Dave" Strong >Email: [email protected] > >Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 > ></excerpt><<<<<<<< > ************************************** > Name : PD & LE Strong > > Email : [email protected] > Location: Blue Mountains > Australia > **************************************