Dave: Tremendous effort Dave - this helps immeasurably! I am not sure if you know this but due to your superior organizational skills and dedication Andrea Lawrence, Max Archer and myself discovered we are related: they are descended from the Tullyglush line of Robert and Hannah Stronge. Tullyglush is about 1 km. northwest of Garvaghy, where James Stronge farmed; According to the 1st Dromara Presbyterian Church records Robert's children were born/baptised contemporaneously to James' children, so it is most certain their Robert and my James of Garvaghy would have been brothers. I will forward my recent e-mail to Andrea & Max for your consideration; it is my conjecture of how these various Tulliniskey/Tullyglush/Ednego family groups are defined. Ednego is 1.5 kms. west of Garvaghy and 1 km. southwest of Tullyglush. By the way, over the next few weeks I will be submitting some other records of Co. Down Stronges - cemetery inscriptions, births, etc. including confirmation that Cyril Clare Stronge is indeed a son of Samuel English Stronge and Hubert Moorhead Stronge is Sir Herbert Cecil Stronge's twin brother [b. 1875, Co. Clare]. Moorhead/Moorehead is the maiden name of S.E. Stronge's wife Minnie L. In my meeting with Grahame & Ralph Stronge [sons of Rev. A.E.S. Stronge] they told me their father had told them our line is descended from a long line of Presbyterian ministers which he had the opportunity to research through his work and connections with the Presbyterian Church. Ralph mentioned that he had seen in his father's papers [now held by Grahame living in Comber, Down] a two page lineage that went back to the Norman Conquest! Naturally I found this difficult to believe and asked Grahame to search for this lineage paper. Ralph [who lives in Finvoy, Antrim] also said Rev. A.E.S. Stronge said we were related to the Tynan Abbey Stronge lineage and to the Rev. Stronge (perhaps he meant Capt. John Stronge of Stronge's Orchard & of the Siege) of LondonDerry fame. Ralph visited Tynan Abbey after the bombing/murders/fire and told me a there was almost total destruction of Bt. Stronge's Library & lot of the family history was likely burned in that fire, but some records and books were carted off someplace. Have you ever heard of this? According to the Wills record books in PRONI, Belfast, Baronet Stronge's widow died a short while after the murders - within 2 yrs. as I recall; I wonder where her estate went? If you are corresponding with other Garvaghy/Tullyniskey area Stronge's, please copy them and forward their e-mail addresses to me ASAP. And yes by all means try to identify on line the ancestors of Rev. A.E.S Stronge; wait for my forwarded e-mail and see if we agree on that family group. Again, many thanks for your professional and lasting dedication to this never ending project. Will write soon with my analysis of the Tullyniskey Stronge page you have drafted. Gord ------------------------------------------ Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne wrote: > > Gord... > > Your message of yesterday piqued my interest. Congratulations on > your successful trip to Ireland. Thanks for sharing your insights > with us! > > As you know, about four years ago you furnished a number of records > which I added to the "off-line" version of the Irish Strong Database. > Those records are included in the update of the HTML version of the > database found at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/counties.htm > It took me a while, but I did get the database updated and on-line! > {:-) > Thanks to many people, including you! > > In the mean-time, I have been corresponding with some other > researchers who have an interest in the Strongs of County Down, as > well as other counties. I am copying them with this message, against > the possibility they are not on the Rootsweb Strong-List. In the > next couple of days, I hope to revise the County Down database > on-line. See > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/down.htm > > For now, I have uploaded a new page on a "temporary" basis, relating > to the various Strongs belonging to the Tulliniskey lineage. Please > take a look at the Down database as well as the new page, > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tullin~1.htm > > If you can, please advise whether I am missing identification of any > members of the lineage, and fill me in with other members as needed. > I have also personally id'd but not on line tagged certain of the Down > Stronges whom I think belong to the ancestors of Rev. Albert Ernest > Samuel STRONGE portion of the lineage. If you want, I can try to > id them on line as well. > > Let me know if this helps! > > Regards > Dave > =================== > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gord Stronge <gstronge@home.com> > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:43 PM > Subject: Re: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > > > Dave: > > Rev. William James STRONGE, [1841-1910] b. Co. Down > > Just returned from 4 weeks in Ireland - had a wonderful trip and > visited > > old STRONGE farms in Co. Down and BERRY homesteads in Killeshandra > Co. > > Cavan. Ellen Irwin BERRY [1850-1937] is my g.grandmother. Her > husband, > > the Rev. William James STRONGE is my g. grandfather, b. 1841 at > > Garvaghy, Kinallen Co. Down [1-2 miles west of Dromara]. The first > 3 of > > their 10 children were born in Killeshandra, Cavan: > > > > 1. Mary Anne STRONGE b. Jun.11.1875 died in infancy or as young > child. > > 2. Florence Augusta STRONGE b. Aug.10.1876 d. 1961 > > 3. Emily Euphemia STRONGE b. Dec.13.1878 d. 1947 > > > > In 1867 William James STRONGE was ordained a Presbyterian minister > in > > Killeshandra, where he ministered for 12 yrs. I have not yet made > any > > ancestral connection to Cavan with W.J. Stronge but believe there > must > > be some. His father was James STRONGE b. circa 1799 who farmed at > > Garvaghy, Tulliniskey, Co. Down; I have no record of James' birth. > > The records indicate several Strong/Stronge names are from Cavan and > I > > have always wondered if James was born there. I would not be > surprised > > to learn of Strong relations from this area. > > > > While in Co. Antrim & Co. Down, I met previously unknown Stronge > > relatives who are assisting me with their Co. Down Stronge lineage. > It > > is unconfirmed as yet, but I believe we share either the same g.g. > or > > g.g.g. grandfather. They are children of the Rev. Albert Ernest > Samuel > > STRONGE [1904-1982] who coincidentally also served the Presbyterian > > church in Carrigallen [?] Co. Cavan. > > > > Could you please pass along Ordella Park's e-mail address? Also > note > > and please post my new e-mail address: gstronge@shaw.ca > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gord Stronge > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne wrote: > > > > > > Janet... > > > > > > I was going thru my old messages, and came across this one of > yours... > > > I took a look in my Irish Strong BMD Index: > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/bmdindex.htm#M > > > ARRIAGE > > > There is a marriage record for a William Strong in County Cavan in > > > 1873 and another one in 1875. I don't know who either of these > > > gentlemen married, but see the Aid To Researchers section of the > > > webpage re methods of ordering an uncertified copy of the original > > > record of the marriages, which WOULD show who they married. If > you > > > follow up on this, please let me know what you find. > > > > > > Note, in the Irish Strong Database > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/cavan.htm > > > under County Cavan, there is a record of a marriage of a William > > > James Stronge for 1872Jul2, to Ellen Irwin Berry, which MAY be one > of > > > the same records as shown above in the BMD Index... if so, it's > not a > > > match... but you may want to check it out anyway. Somehow, I > don't > > > think it relates to either of the BMD Index records. > > > > > > Also, I am copying this message to Ordella McIntyre Park, who is > > > something of an expert re the Cavan Strongs... maybe she will be > able > > > to help. > > > > > > I guess a preliminary question is, do you know WHERE Wm. T. Strong > and > > > Margaret MCGOWAN were married????? > > > > > > Regards > > > Dave Strong > > > > > > =================== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: jaws <jawbay@earthlink.net> > > > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:42 PM > > > Subject: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > > > > > > > Just a periodical posting of my interest; always hoping for a > > > > connection! > > > > > > > > William T. STRONG b. ca. 1852 in Ireland m. Margaret MCGOWAN ca. > > > 1875 > > > > Their known issue all born in NYC, USA, William b. 1878, Thomas > b. > > > > 1879, Agnes b. 1881, Mary b. 1884, Rose b. 1888 > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > "Welcome to my World": Martha F. (Brani) Strong's web site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7905/ > > Ancestors of "Elder" John Strong, Margery Deane, and > Abigail Ford in England. Children of "Elder" John > Strong of MA & CT. Historical documents of England & > U.S.A.; historical Strong(e) homes and buildings. New > genealogical research findings concerning families in > "The West Country" of England: Somerset, Dorset, and > Devon counties. Memorial to John Richard Mayer, Strange > descendant and researcher. Other research aids and links. > ==========================================================
Gord.... I look forward to receiving a copy of your correspondence with Andrea and Max... and I am not so well organized that I knew about it before your message below! {:-) As soon as I have your additional info in hand, I will try to take another run at the County Down part of the data base.... looking for Tulliniskey connections. About the Tynan Abbey Stronges.... Unfortunately, I have never had any direct contact with any of them. I don't have any particular insight re the disposition of Sir Norman Stronge's library and papers, other than that he had a surviving daughter, who might have received them. He was succeeded in the Baronetcy by another of the Tynan Abbey "clan"... who might also have come into possession of some of his papers. Have you taken a look at my webpage re the Tynan Abbey descendency? See: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tynan001.htm and related cumbria.htm and carli001.htm pages. You may find some of my speculations there of interest. Let me know. I am sending the email addresses you requested by separate message. Regards Dave ======================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Gord Stronge <gstronge@home.com> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: Re: STRONG of Tulliniskey Townland, County Down > Dave: > > Tremendous effort Dave - this helps immeasurably! I am not sure if you > know this but due to your superior organizational skills and dedication > Andrea Lawrence, Max Archer and myself discovered we are related: they > are descended from the Tullyglush line of Robert and Hannah Stronge. > Tullyglush is about 1 km. northwest of Garvaghy, where James Stronge > farmed; According to the 1st Dromara Presbyterian Church records > Robert's children were born/baptised contemporaneously to James' > children, so it is most certain their Robert and my James of Garvaghy > would have been brothers. > > I will forward my recent e-mail to Andrea & Max for your consideration; > it is my conjecture of how these various Tulliniskey/Tullyglush/Ednego > family groups are defined. Ednego is 1.5 kms. west of Garvaghy and 1 > km. southwest of Tullyglush. > > By the way, over the next few weeks I will be submitting some other > records of Co. Down Stronges - cemetery inscriptions, births, etc. > including confirmation that Cyril Clare Stronge is indeed a son of > Samuel English Stronge and Hubert Moorhead Stronge is Sir Herbert Cecil > Stronge's twin brother [b. 1875, Co. Clare]. Moorhead/Moorehead is the > maiden name of S.E. Stronge's wife Minnie L. > > In my meeting with Grahame & Ralph Stronge [sons of Rev. A.E.S. Stronge] > they told me their father had told them our line is descended from a > long line of Presbyterian ministers which he had the opportunity to > research through his work and connections with the Presbyterian Church. > Ralph mentioned that he had seen in his father's papers [now held by > Grahame living in Comber, Down] a two page lineage that went back to the > Norman Conquest! Naturally I found this difficult to believe and asked > Grahame to search for this lineage paper. > > Ralph [who lives in Finvoy, Antrim] also said Rev. A.E.S. Stronge said > we were related to the Tynan Abbey Stronge lineage and to the Rev. > Stronge (perhaps he meant Capt. John Stronge of Stronge's Orchard & of > the Siege) of LondonDerry fame. Ralph visited Tynan Abbey after the > bombing/murders/fire and told me a there was almost total destruction of > Bt. Stronge's Library & lot of the family history was likely burned in > that fire, but some records and books were carted off someplace. Have > you ever heard of this? According to the Wills record books in PRONI, > Belfast, Baronet Stronge's widow died a short while after the murders - > within 2 yrs. as I recall; I wonder where her estate went? > > If you are corresponding with other Garvaghy/Tullyniskey area Stronge's, > please copy them and forward their e-mail addresses to me ASAP. And yes > by all means try to identify on line the ancestors of Rev. A.E.S > Stronge; wait for my forwarded e-mail and see if we agree on that > family group. > > Again, many thanks for your professional and lasting dedication to this > never ending project. Will write soon with my analysis of the > Tullyniskey Stronge page you have drafted. > > Gord > > ------------------------------------------ > > Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne wrote: > > > > Gord... > > > > Your message of yesterday piqued my interest. Congratulations on > > your successful trip to Ireland. Thanks for sharing your insights > > with us! > > > > As you know, about four years ago you furnished a number of records > > which I added to the "off-line" version of the Irish Strong Database. > > Those records are included in the update of the HTML version of the > > database found at > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/counties.htm > > It took me a while, but I did get the database updated and on-line! > > {:-) > > Thanks to many people, including you! > > > > In the mean-time, I have been corresponding with some other > > researchers who have an interest in the Strongs of County Down, as > > well as other counties. I am copying them with this message, against > > the possibility they are not on the Rootsweb Strong-List. In the > > next couple of days, I hope to revise the County Down database > > on-line. See > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/down.htm > > > > For now, I have uploaded a new page on a "temporary" basis, relating > > to the various Strongs belonging to the Tulliniskey lineage. Please > > take a look at the Down database as well as the new page, > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tullin~1.htm > > > > If you can, please advise whether I am missing identification of any > > members of the lineage, and fill me in with other members as needed. > > I have also personally id'd but not on line tagged certain of the Down > > Stronges whom I think belong to the ancestors of Rev. Albert Ernest > > Samuel STRONGE portion of the lineage. If you want, I can try to > > id them on line as well. > > > > Let me know if this helps! > > > > Regards > > Dave > > =================== > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gord Stronge <gstronge@home.com> > > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:43 PM > > Subject: Re: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > > > > > Dave: > > > Rev. William James STRONGE, [1841-1910] b. Co. Down > > > Just returned from 4 weeks in Ireland - had a wonderful trip and > > visited > > > old STRONGE farms in Co. Down and BERRY homesteads in Killeshandra > > Co. > > > Cavan. Ellen Irwin BERRY [1850-1937] is my g.grandmother. Her > > husband, > > > the Rev. William James STRONGE is my g. grandfather, b. 1841 at > > > Garvaghy, Kinallen Co. Down [1-2 miles west of Dromara]. The first > > 3 of > > > their 10 children were born in Killeshandra, Cavan: > > > > > > 1. Mary Anne STRONGE b. Jun.11.1875 died in infancy or as young > > child. > > > 2. Florence Augusta STRONGE b. Aug.10.1876 d. 1961 > > > 3. Emily Euphemia STRONGE b. Dec.13.1878 d. 1947 > > > > > > In 1867 William James STRONGE was ordained a Presbyterian minister > > in > > > Killeshandra, where he ministered for 12 yrs. I have not yet made > > any > > > ancestral connection to Cavan with W.J. Stronge but believe there > > must > > > be some. His father was James STRONGE b. circa 1799 who farmed at > > > Garvaghy, Tulliniskey, Co. Down; I have no record of James' birth. > > > The records indicate several Strong/Stronge names are from Cavan and > > I > > > have always wondered if James was born there. I would not be > > surprised > > > to learn of Strong relations from this area. > > > > > > While in Co. Antrim & Co. Down, I met previously unknown Stronge > > > relatives who are assisting me with their Co. Down Stronge lineage. > > It > > > is unconfirmed as yet, but I believe we share either the same g.g. > > or > > > g.g.g. grandfather. They are children of the Rev. Albert Ernest > > Samuel > > > STRONGE [1904-1982] who coincidentally also served the Presbyterian > > > church in Carrigallen [?] Co. Cavan. > > > > > > Could you please pass along Ordella Park's e-mail address? Also > > note > > > and please post my new e-mail address: gstronge@shaw.ca > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Gord Stronge > > > > > > --------------------------------------