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    1. Re: STRONG
    2. Catherine Sankey

    3. ----- Original Message ----- From: <STRONG-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <STRONG-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: STRONG-D Digest V01 #59 I found on the Irish web pages that my Great GreatGrandfather's emigration record can be found but I would like help in how to access it. The record gave Oliver, Hannah, and Thomas H. Strong as emigrating in 1848. This record is from Mt. Mellick, Laos(Queen's) county, Ireland. I have papers from the National Archives that Susannah (Lord) Oliver's wife came with Oliver, Hannah, and Thomas H. in 1848 into East Canada where son John was born in 1849. Any help would be appreciated.

    11/07/2001 01:12:33
    1. Re: STRONG of Mt. Mellick, Laos(Queen's) county, Ireland
    2. Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne

    3. Hi Catherine.... Actually, the Irish Strong Database http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/queens.htm records you are apparently referring to (#s 3569, 3570, 3571, 3572) are based on information you previously provided. I don't have any independent source of the information you provided. I try to keep copies of any and all info which goes into the database, but for whatever reason many times I don't have a copy and have to rely on the researcher who provided the information. Often that is a problem. If a particular piece of information is held only by one person, it may be lost and hard to find again if that researcher is deceased or for whatever reason we lose track of them. That is actually why I previously asked you to forward a copy of the certification of Susannah Lord's marriage to Oliver Strong ... which you described as follows: "certified marraige record. In 1892, Susanna had to prove she was married to Oliver. She sent to Ireland and got this certificate. I got it from the NARA in Oliver's pension papers. The document states 2nd December, 1840, Oliver Strong of Rosenallis parish married Susanna Lord of Coolbaua(fly) ? parish . Church of Mounkuelliff .....according to the rites and ceremonis of the Church of Ireland & England (can't read)....". Cross-referencing this info with other source material, we know that Rosenallis Parish is in the baroney of Tinnahinch, and in the Poor Law Union/Registration District of Mountmellick. One can use the IreATLAS website: http://www.seanruad.com and determine that possibly Susannah Lord was from "Coolbaua(fly) ? or "Coolbanagher parish in Portnahinch baroney, Mountmellick Registration District, Leinster province". We might also use that website to obtain a listing of the various Townlands in the Parish of Rosenallis: ----------------------------- Search Output Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Avoley 320 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Ballyhuppahane 1,203 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Ballymoyle 175 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Camira Glebe 276 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Capard 2,548 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cappabeg 299 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cappalane 193 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cappaneary 197 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Clonaheen 614 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cloncanon Lower 259 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cloncanon Upper 207 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cloonagh 161 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Corbally 453 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Derreen Mullaghanard 188 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Derrylemoge 583 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Drinagh 178 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Garroon Summergrove 239 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Gorteen 410 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Graigue 646 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Lackan 193 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster MOUNTMELLICK T. xx Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Meelick 1,442 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Mullaghanard Derreen 188 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Nutgrove 177 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Nyra 268 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster ROSENALLIS T. xx Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Rinn 284 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Rosenallis 66 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Shanbeg 198 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Skerry 1,150 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Srahleagh 231 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Summergrove Garroon 239 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Tinneel 174 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Townparks 773 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster ----------------------------------------- Here, we might want to consider the possibility she was from a townland, in Rosenallis Parish, the proper name of which is likely "Corbally". See above. Confusing? Sure, but now you can try researching for parish records in both parishes, as well as try to identify the landlord owners of large estates in the area which might have rent records held in the National Archives which might help your search. Perhaps a few words about the concept of the Irish Strong Database would be appropriate. As another researcher asked "Presumably, you only want primary documents, and not "inferred" family history stuff." My answer was as follows: "Actually I am interested in both the primary documents and the inferred family history. Part of the concept behind the data base is to be able to collate inferred family history with primary record information in order to corroborate the inferred history and to give insights for further research in order to try to establish further links." Catherine, your information indicating the date of emigration of Oliver, Hannah, and Thomas H. Strong, as contained in the above referenced records, might be considered "inferred family history". Granted the data sources are scarce prior to that date, but it is possible someone might come up with a source which will help trace them further Now that the information is in the database, we will keep checking it against other information from time to time to try to cross-reference to other records, etc., which in turn may be of assistance either to you or to other researchers. In your case, we also know there are other records of other Strongs in Queens and Kings Counties, with possible linkages to Counties Cavan, Monaghan, Longford, and Sligo & Mayo. When all of the available information is reviewed together it is sometimes possible to identify possible links.... which obviously need more research. At least we are able to narrow the search somewhat (we don't need to look at records in County Down or Antrim!), and to try to focus on research materials which are possibly more relevant to the search. And, new researchers are assisted in that they will not have to "re-plow" the same ground, because others have shared their findings. Thanks to you and to many other contributors of information/data, we "Irish" Strongs collectively have more insights into the places of origin in Ireland of the various sub-lineages of Strongs than do researchers of many other "Irish" surnames. And new and better on-line sources of information we can link to are coming along all the time. We haven't solved all of the puzzles.... but we ARE making progress! {:-) Regards Dave Strong ======================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine Sankey <c.m.sankey@worldnet.att.net> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 8:12 PM Subject: Re: STRONG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <STRONG-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <STRONG-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:01 PM > Subject: STRONG-D Digest V01 #59 > > I found on the Irish web pages that my Great GreatGrandfather's emigration > record can be found but I would like help in how to access it. The record > gave Oliver, Hannah, and Thomas H. Strong as emigrating in 1848. This > record is from Mt. Mellick, Laos(Queen's) county, Ireland. I have papers > from the National Archives that Susannah (Lord) Oliver's wife came with > Oliver, Hannah, and Thomas H. in 1848 into East Canada where son John was > born in 1849. Any help would be appreciated. > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) > IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/ > > Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13 > of manuscript, entitled "Lineages". > ==========================================================

    11/08/2001 03:19:03