We are interested in the Strong DNA study, but would need to find a cousin who would be willing to share the results, because my husband is descended from a female. This would possibly be an opportunity for fee-sharing? So, according to the information below, we would need to find a male 1st or 1st once, twice, three times, etc. removed of my husband's grandmother, Ann Eliza Strong (b. 12-36-1848, d. 10-14-1930) married (01-04-1877) Perry Garner Ely (b. 08-04-1850, d. 09-04-1930). Ann & Perry were both born in Chautauqua County, New York, and died in Pomona, Los Angeles County, California. I have more information on the family if anyone is interested in helping us pursue this. Ann Eliza Strong (12-26-1848 - 10-15-1930) is daughter of David, (04-09-1801 - 10-08-1874) son of Gilbert (03-02-1770 - 06-12-1861), son of John (12-08-1743 - , son of Ezra (1702-1785), son of Jedediah, Jr. (1667-1709), son of Jedediah, Sr. (1637-1733), son of John (1605-1699) I have never corresponded with anyone in the Strong family about the genealogy of this family and am brand new to the history of this family. I would be happy to hear from anyone concerning this information as well! Donna Crumb (Mrs. Gene) Kent, WA Below are excerpts which apply to our case ... ----- Original Message ----- From: <PattFulton@aol.com> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: [STRONG] Re: Explanation of DNA procedure and FAQs A. Your male cousins probably have the same Y-DNA as your father and his male ancestors with the surname HULL. Testing your cousins is the same as testing your late father if they are the natural children of your HULL ancestors. That is because the Y chromosome passes unchanged from father to son apart from random mutations. So if your father and your cousins have any known common ancestor, even back to your 4th great grandfather or beyond, the DNA sample should be the same as testing your father, give or take a mutation or two. Q11. My line split off from the HULL family two hundred years ago. My 4th-great grandmother was a HULL. I do research on my HULL ancestors but have no close HULL relatives. A. If you know or can find male surname descendents of your 4th great grandfather HULL, you can in effect "test" him by testing his descendents. That is because the Y-DNA is passed on without change from father to son. If you test a couple of your HULL cousins and they match, you can say with high confidence that their Y-DNA is very close to the Y-DNA of your 4th great grandfather. Then you can compare his sample to other samples in the study and possibly learn much new information about his line for your research. Q15. My male HULL cousins don't care a thing about family history. They won't pay for this. A. There is no rule that says the person ordering and paying for the test must be the person being tested. If your cousins will consent to doing this simple, painless test, you can complete the paper work and have them sign two forms. The sampler kit will be sent to them and the invoice sent to you. Some of the other family reconstruction projects have multiple researchers in the same family line that have split the cost of testing male cousins who have no interest in family genealogy.