Hi Catherine.... Actually, the Irish Strong Database http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/queens.htm records you are apparently referring to (#s 3569, 3570, 3571, 3572) are based on information you previously provided. I don't have any independent source of the information you provided. I try to keep copies of any and all info which goes into the database, but for whatever reason many times I don't have a copy and have to rely on the researcher who provided the information. Often that is a problem. If a particular piece of information is held only by one person, it may be lost and hard to find again if that researcher is deceased or for whatever reason we lose track of them. That is actually why I previously asked you to forward a copy of the certification of Susannah Lord's marriage to Oliver Strong ... which you described as follows: "certified marraige record. In 1892, Susanna had to prove she was married to Oliver. She sent to Ireland and got this certificate. I got it from the NARA in Oliver's pension papers. The document states 2nd December, 1840, Oliver Strong of Rosenallis parish married Susanna Lord of Coolbaua(fly) ? parish . Church of Mounkuelliff .....according to the rites and ceremonis of the Church of Ireland & England (can't read)....". Cross-referencing this info with other source material, we know that Rosenallis Parish is in the baroney of Tinnahinch, and in the Poor Law Union/Registration District of Mountmellick. One can use the IreATLAS website: http://www.seanruad.com and determine that possibly Susannah Lord was from "Coolbaua(fly) ? or "Coolbanagher parish in Portnahinch baroney, Mountmellick Registration District, Leinster province". We might also use that website to obtain a listing of the various Townlands in the Parish of Rosenallis: ----------------------------- Search Output Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Avoley 320 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Ballyhuppahane 1,203 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Ballymoyle 175 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Camira Glebe 276 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Capard 2,548 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cappabeg 299 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cappalane 193 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cappaneary 197 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Clonaheen 614 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cloncanon Lower 259 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cloncanon Upper 207 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Cloonagh 161 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Corbally 453 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Derreen Mullaghanard 188 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Derrylemoge 583 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Drinagh 178 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Garroon Summergrove 239 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Gorteen 410 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Graigue 646 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Lackan 193 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster MOUNTMELLICK T. xx Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Meelick 1,442 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Mullaghanard Derreen 188 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Nutgrove 177 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Nyra 268 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster ROSENALLIS T. xx Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Rinn 284 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Rosenallis 66 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Shanbeg 198 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Skerry 1,150 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Srahleagh 231 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Summergrove Garroon 239 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Tinneel 174 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster Townparks 773 Queen's Co. Tinnahinch Rosenallis Mountmellick Leinster ----------------------------------------- Here, we might want to consider the possibility she was from a townland, in Rosenallis Parish, the proper name of which is likely "Corbally". See above. Confusing? Sure, but now you can try researching for parish records in both parishes, as well as try to identify the landlord owners of large estates in the area which might have rent records held in the National Archives which might help your search. Perhaps a few words about the concept of the Irish Strong Database would be appropriate. As another researcher asked "Presumably, you only want primary documents, and not "inferred" family history stuff." My answer was as follows: "Actually I am interested in both the primary documents and the inferred family history. Part of the concept behind the data base is to be able to collate inferred family history with primary record information in order to corroborate the inferred history and to give insights for further research in order to try to establish further links." Catherine, your information indicating the date of emigration of Oliver, Hannah, and Thomas H. Strong, as contained in the above referenced records, might be considered "inferred family history". Granted the data sources are scarce prior to that date, but it is possible someone might come up with a source which will help trace them further Now that the information is in the database, we will keep checking it against other information from time to time to try to cross-reference to other records, etc., which in turn may be of assistance either to you or to other researchers. In your case, we also know there are other records of other Strongs in Queens and Kings Counties, with possible linkages to Counties Cavan, Monaghan, Longford, and Sligo & Mayo. When all of the available information is reviewed together it is sometimes possible to identify possible links.... which obviously need more research. At least we are able to narrow the search somewhat (we don't need to look at records in County Down or Antrim!), and to try to focus on research materials which are possibly more relevant to the search. And, new researchers are assisted in that they will not have to "re-plow" the same ground, because others have shared their findings. Thanks to you and to many other contributors of information/data, we "Irish" Strongs collectively have more insights into the places of origin in Ireland of the various sub-lineages of Strongs than do researchers of many other "Irish" surnames. And new and better on-line sources of information we can link to are coming along all the time. We haven't solved all of the puzzles.... but we ARE making progress! {:-) Regards Dave Strong ======================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine Sankey <c.m.sankey@worldnet.att.net> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 8:12 PM Subject: Re: STRONG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <STRONG-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <STRONG-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:01 PM > Subject: STRONG-D Digest V01 #59 > > I found on the Irish web pages that my Great GreatGrandfather's emigration > record can be found but I would like help in how to access it. The record > gave Oliver, Hannah, and Thomas H. Strong as emigrating in 1848. This > record is from Mt. Mellick, Laos(Queen's) county, Ireland. I have papers > from the National Archives that Susannah (Lord) Oliver's wife came with > Oliver, Hannah, and Thomas H. in 1848 into East Canada where son John was > born in 1849. Any help would be appreciated. > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) > IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/ > > Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13 > of manuscript, entitled "Lineages". > ==========================================================

To Pam Pakes of New Zealand: I just took a look at your webpage, occasioned by the advertisement in the most recent Rootsweb Review: SHAMERE'S HOME PAGE. Surnames: STRONG, McMULLEN, FRASER, and BETTERIDGE -- from England, Ireland, and Scotland to New Zealand. BDM lists of all the STRONGs in New Zealand. Shipping in and out of Auckland. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~shamere/ Pam, it is well done! Congratulations! I am adding it to the list of Strong Network webpages on the Strong Genealogy Network Switching Page at: http://www.nhb.com/dbstrong/sgnhome.htm Please consider adding the SGN hotlink button to your pages at appropriate locations. Regards, Dave Strong

----- Original Message ----- From: <STRONG-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <STRONG-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: STRONG-D Digest V01 #59 I found on the Irish web pages that my Great GreatGrandfather's emigration record can be found but I would like help in how to access it. The record gave Oliver, Hannah, and Thomas H. Strong as emigrating in 1848. This record is from Mt. Mellick, Laos(Queen's) county, Ireland. I have papers from the National Archives that Susannah (Lord) Oliver's wife came with Oliver, Hannah, and Thomas H. in 1848 into East Canada where son John was born in 1849. Any help would be appreciated.

Hello this is Robert Williams I saw your posting and I was wondering if you had taken you inquiry to the Strong family association web page for help the complete web address for the site is www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4715/ Maybe they can give you the help with finding these people. Good luck and good hunting

Gord.... I look forward to receiving a copy of your correspondence with Andrea and Max... and I am not so well organized that I knew about it before your message below! {:-) As soon as I have your additional info in hand, I will try to take another run at the County Down part of the data base.... looking for Tulliniskey connections. About the Tynan Abbey Stronges.... Unfortunately, I have never had any direct contact with any of them. I don't have any particular insight re the disposition of Sir Norman Stronge's library and papers, other than that he had a surviving daughter, who might have received them. He was succeeded in the Baronetcy by another of the Tynan Abbey "clan"... who might also have come into possession of some of his papers. Have you taken a look at my webpage re the Tynan Abbey descendency? See: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tynan001.htm and related cumbria.htm and carli001.htm pages. You may find some of my speculations there of interest. Let me know. I am sending the email addresses you requested by separate message. Regards Dave ======================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Gord Stronge <gstronge@home.com> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: Re: STRONG of Tulliniskey Townland, County Down > Dave: > > Tremendous effort Dave - this helps immeasurably! I am not sure if you > know this but due to your superior organizational skills and dedication > Andrea Lawrence, Max Archer and myself discovered we are related: they > are descended from the Tullyglush line of Robert and Hannah Stronge. > Tullyglush is about 1 km. northwest of Garvaghy, where James Stronge > farmed; According to the 1st Dromara Presbyterian Church records > Robert's children were born/baptised contemporaneously to James' > children, so it is most certain their Robert and my James of Garvaghy > would have been brothers. > > I will forward my recent e-mail to Andrea & Max for your consideration; > it is my conjecture of how these various Tulliniskey/Tullyglush/Ednego > family groups are defined. Ednego is 1.5 kms. west of Garvaghy and 1 > km. southwest of Tullyglush. > > By the way, over the next few weeks I will be submitting some other > records of Co. Down Stronges - cemetery inscriptions, births, etc. > including confirmation that Cyril Clare Stronge is indeed a son of > Samuel English Stronge and Hubert Moorhead Stronge is Sir Herbert Cecil > Stronge's twin brother [b. 1875, Co. Clare]. Moorhead/Moorehead is the > maiden name of S.E. Stronge's wife Minnie L. > > In my meeting with Grahame & Ralph Stronge [sons of Rev. A.E.S. Stronge] > they told me their father had told them our line is descended from a > long line of Presbyterian ministers which he had the opportunity to > research through his work and connections with the Presbyterian Church. > Ralph mentioned that he had seen in his father's papers [now held by > Grahame living in Comber, Down] a two page lineage that went back to the > Norman Conquest! Naturally I found this difficult to believe and asked > Grahame to search for this lineage paper. > > Ralph [who lives in Finvoy, Antrim] also said Rev. A.E.S. Stronge said > we were related to the Tynan Abbey Stronge lineage and to the Rev. > Stronge (perhaps he meant Capt. John Stronge of Stronge's Orchard & of > the Siege) of LondonDerry fame. Ralph visited Tynan Abbey after the > bombing/murders/fire and told me a there was almost total destruction of > Bt. Stronge's Library & lot of the family history was likely burned in > that fire, but some records and books were carted off someplace. Have > you ever heard of this? According to the Wills record books in PRONI, > Belfast, Baronet Stronge's widow died a short while after the murders - > within 2 yrs. as I recall; I wonder where her estate went? > > If you are corresponding with other Garvaghy/Tullyniskey area Stronge's, > please copy them and forward their e-mail addresses to me ASAP. And yes > by all means try to identify on line the ancestors of Rev. A.E.S > Stronge; wait for my forwarded e-mail and see if we agree on that > family group. > > Again, many thanks for your professional and lasting dedication to this > never ending project. Will write soon with my analysis of the > Tullyniskey Stronge page you have drafted. > > Gord > > ------------------------------------------ > > Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne wrote: > > > > Gord... > > > > Your message of yesterday piqued my interest. Congratulations on > > your successful trip to Ireland. Thanks for sharing your insights > > with us! > > > > As you know, about four years ago you furnished a number of records > > which I added to the "off-line" version of the Irish Strong Database. > > Those records are included in the update of the HTML version of the > > database found at > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/counties.htm > > It took me a while, but I did get the database updated and on-line! > > {:-) > > Thanks to many people, including you! > > > > In the mean-time, I have been corresponding with some other > > researchers who have an interest in the Strongs of County Down, as > > well as other counties. I am copying them with this message, against > > the possibility they are not on the Rootsweb Strong-List. In the > > next couple of days, I hope to revise the County Down database > > on-line. See > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/down.htm > > > > For now, I have uploaded a new page on a "temporary" basis, relating > > to the various Strongs belonging to the Tulliniskey lineage. Please > > take a look at the Down database as well as the new page, > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tullin~1.htm > > > > If you can, please advise whether I am missing identification of any > > members of the lineage, and fill me in with other members as needed. > > I have also personally id'd but not on line tagged certain of the Down > > Stronges whom I think belong to the ancestors of Rev. Albert Ernest > > Samuel STRONGE portion of the lineage. If you want, I can try to > > id them on line as well. > > > > Let me know if this helps! > > > > Regards > > Dave > > =================== > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gord Stronge <gstronge@home.com> > > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:43 PM > > Subject: Re: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > > > > > Dave: > > > Rev. William James STRONGE, [1841-1910] b. Co. Down > > > Just returned from 4 weeks in Ireland - had a wonderful trip and > > visited > > > old STRONGE farms in Co. Down and BERRY homesteads in Killeshandra > > Co. > > > Cavan. Ellen Irwin BERRY [1850-1937] is my g.grandmother. Her > > husband, > > > the Rev. William James STRONGE is my g. grandfather, b. 1841 at > > > Garvaghy, Kinallen Co. Down [1-2 miles west of Dromara]. The first > > 3 of > > > their 10 children were born in Killeshandra, Cavan: > > > > > > 1. Mary Anne STRONGE b. Jun.11.1875 died in infancy or as young > > child. > > > 2. Florence Augusta STRONGE b. Aug.10.1876 d. 1961 > > > 3. Emily Euphemia STRONGE b. Dec.13.1878 d. 1947 > > > > > > In 1867 William James STRONGE was ordained a Presbyterian minister > > in > > > Killeshandra, where he ministered for 12 yrs. I have not yet made > > any > > > ancestral connection to Cavan with W.J. Stronge but believe there > > must > > > be some. His father was James STRONGE b. circa 1799 who farmed at > > > Garvaghy, Tulliniskey, Co. Down; I have no record of James' birth. > > > The records indicate several Strong/Stronge names are from Cavan and > > I > > > have always wondered if James was born there. I would not be > > surprised > > > to learn of Strong relations from this area. > > > > > > While in Co. Antrim & Co. Down, I met previously unknown Stronge > > > relatives who are assisting me with their Co. Down Stronge lineage. > > It > > > is unconfirmed as yet, but I believe we share either the same g.g. > > or > > > g.g.g. grandfather. They are children of the Rev. Albert Ernest > > Samuel > > > STRONGE [1904-1982] who coincidentally also served the Presbyterian > > > church in Carrigallen [?] Co. Cavan. > > > > > > Could you please pass along Ordella Park's e-mail address? Also > > note > > > and please post my new e-mail address: gstronge@shaw.ca > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Gord Stronge > > > > > > --------------------------------------

Hi: Just found out that I had given the list the wrong name for Viola's mother. Viola Strong b.Nov. 7 1884 in Michigan m. Joseph L. Anjier d. April 15, 1916 in Denver, Colorado Father: N. D. Strong Mother: Lelia Miles Brother: Harry A. Strong b. Oct. 19, 1880 in Michigan d. Oct. 22, 1960 in Yountville, California If anyone on the list, has any information about these Strongs, I would really appreciate hearing from them. Joe Anjier Baton Rouge, LA e-mail: jjanjier@bellsouth.net

Dave: Tremendous effort Dave - this helps immeasurably! I am not sure if you know this but due to your superior organizational skills and dedication Andrea Lawrence, Max Archer and myself discovered we are related: they are descended from the Tullyglush line of Robert and Hannah Stronge. Tullyglush is about 1 km. northwest of Garvaghy, where James Stronge farmed; According to the 1st Dromara Presbyterian Church records Robert's children were born/baptised contemporaneously to James' children, so it is most certain their Robert and my James of Garvaghy would have been brothers. I will forward my recent e-mail to Andrea & Max for your consideration; it is my conjecture of how these various Tulliniskey/Tullyglush/Ednego family groups are defined. Ednego is 1.5 kms. west of Garvaghy and 1 km. southwest of Tullyglush. By the way, over the next few weeks I will be submitting some other records of Co. Down Stronges - cemetery inscriptions, births, etc. including confirmation that Cyril Clare Stronge is indeed a son of Samuel English Stronge and Hubert Moorhead Stronge is Sir Herbert Cecil Stronge's twin brother [b. 1875, Co. Clare]. Moorhead/Moorehead is the maiden name of S.E. Stronge's wife Minnie L. In my meeting with Grahame & Ralph Stronge [sons of Rev. A.E.S. Stronge] they told me their father had told them our line is descended from a long line of Presbyterian ministers which he had the opportunity to research through his work and connections with the Presbyterian Church. Ralph mentioned that he had seen in his father's papers [now held by Grahame living in Comber, Down] a two page lineage that went back to the Norman Conquest! Naturally I found this difficult to believe and asked Grahame to search for this lineage paper. Ralph [who lives in Finvoy, Antrim] also said Rev. A.E.S. Stronge said we were related to the Tynan Abbey Stronge lineage and to the Rev. Stronge (perhaps he meant Capt. John Stronge of Stronge's Orchard & of the Siege) of LondonDerry fame. Ralph visited Tynan Abbey after the bombing/murders/fire and told me a there was almost total destruction of Bt. Stronge's Library & lot of the family history was likely burned in that fire, but some records and books were carted off someplace. Have you ever heard of this? According to the Wills record books in PRONI, Belfast, Baronet Stronge's widow died a short while after the murders - within 2 yrs. as I recall; I wonder where her estate went? If you are corresponding with other Garvaghy/Tullyniskey area Stronge's, please copy them and forward their e-mail addresses to me ASAP. And yes by all means try to identify on line the ancestors of Rev. A.E.S Stronge; wait for my forwarded e-mail and see if we agree on that family group. Again, many thanks for your professional and lasting dedication to this never ending project. Will write soon with my analysis of the Tullyniskey Stronge page you have drafted. Gord ------------------------------------------ Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne wrote: > > Gord... > > Your message of yesterday piqued my interest. Congratulations on > your successful trip to Ireland. Thanks for sharing your insights > with us! > > As you know, about four years ago you furnished a number of records > which I added to the "off-line" version of the Irish Strong Database. > Those records are included in the update of the HTML version of the > database found at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/counties.htm > It took me a while, but I did get the database updated and on-line! > {:-) > Thanks to many people, including you! > > In the mean-time, I have been corresponding with some other > researchers who have an interest in the Strongs of County Down, as > well as other counties. I am copying them with this message, against > the possibility they are not on the Rootsweb Strong-List. In the > next couple of days, I hope to revise the County Down database > on-line. See > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/down.htm > > For now, I have uploaded a new page on a "temporary" basis, relating > to the various Strongs belonging to the Tulliniskey lineage. Please > take a look at the Down database as well as the new page, > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tullin~1.htm > > If you can, please advise whether I am missing identification of any > members of the lineage, and fill me in with other members as needed. > I have also personally id'd but not on line tagged certain of the Down > Stronges whom I think belong to the ancestors of Rev. Albert Ernest > Samuel STRONGE portion of the lineage. If you want, I can try to > id them on line as well. > > Let me know if this helps! > > Regards > Dave > =================== > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gord Stronge <gstronge@home.com> > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:43 PM > Subject: Re: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > > > Dave: > > Rev. William James STRONGE, [1841-1910] b. Co. Down > > Just returned from 4 weeks in Ireland - had a wonderful trip and > visited > > old STRONGE farms in Co. Down and BERRY homesteads in Killeshandra > Co. > > Cavan. Ellen Irwin BERRY [1850-1937] is my g.grandmother. Her > husband, > > the Rev. William James STRONGE is my g. grandfather, b. 1841 at > > Garvaghy, Kinallen Co. Down [1-2 miles west of Dromara]. The first > 3 of > > their 10 children were born in Killeshandra, Cavan: > > > > 1. Mary Anne STRONGE b. Jun.11.1875 died in infancy or as young > child. > > 2. Florence Augusta STRONGE b. Aug.10.1876 d. 1961 > > 3. Emily Euphemia STRONGE b. Dec.13.1878 d. 1947 > > > > In 1867 William James STRONGE was ordained a Presbyterian minister > in > > Killeshandra, where he ministered for 12 yrs. I have not yet made > any > > ancestral connection to Cavan with W.J. Stronge but believe there > must > > be some. His father was James STRONGE b. circa 1799 who farmed at > > Garvaghy, Tulliniskey, Co. Down; I have no record of James' birth. > > The records indicate several Strong/Stronge names are from Cavan and > I > > have always wondered if James was born there. I would not be > surprised > > to learn of Strong relations from this area. > > > > While in Co. Antrim & Co. Down, I met previously unknown Stronge > > relatives who are assisting me with their Co. Down Stronge lineage. > It > > is unconfirmed as yet, but I believe we share either the same g.g. > or > > g.g.g. grandfather. They are children of the Rev. Albert Ernest > Samuel > > STRONGE [1904-1982] who coincidentally also served the Presbyterian > > church in Carrigallen [?] Co. Cavan. > > > > Could you please pass along Ordella Park's e-mail address? Also > note > > and please post my new e-mail address: gstronge@shaw.ca > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gord Stronge > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne wrote: > > > > > > Janet... > > > > > > I was going thru my old messages, and came across this one of > yours... > > > I took a look in my Irish Strong BMD Index: > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/bmdindex.htm#M > > > ARRIAGE > > > There is a marriage record for a William Strong in County Cavan in > > > 1873 and another one in 1875. I don't know who either of these > > > gentlemen married, but see the Aid To Researchers section of the > > > webpage re methods of ordering an uncertified copy of the original > > > record of the marriages, which WOULD show who they married. If > you > > > follow up on this, please let me know what you find. > > > > > > Note, in the Irish Strong Database > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/cavan.htm > > > under County Cavan, there is a record of a marriage of a William > > > James Stronge for 1872Jul2, to Ellen Irwin Berry, which MAY be one > of > > > the same records as shown above in the BMD Index... if so, it's > not a > > > match... but you may want to check it out anyway. Somehow, I > don't > > > think it relates to either of the BMD Index records. > > > > > > Also, I am copying this message to Ordella McIntyre Park, who is > > > something of an expert re the Cavan Strongs... maybe she will be > able > > > to help. > > > > > > I guess a preliminary question is, do you know WHERE Wm. T. Strong > and > > > Margaret MCGOWAN were married????? > > > > > > Regards > > > Dave Strong > > > > > > =================== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: jaws <jawbay@earthlink.net> > > > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:42 PM > > > Subject: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > > > > > > > Just a periodical posting of my interest; always hoping for a > > > > connection! > > > > > > > > William T. STRONG b. ca. 1852 in Ireland m. Margaret MCGOWAN ca. > > > 1875 > > > > Their known issue all born in NYC, USA, William b. 1878, Thomas > b. > > > > 1879, Agnes b. 1881, Mary b. 1884, Rose b. 1888 > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > "Welcome to my World": Martha F. (Brani) Strong's web site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7905/ > > Ancestors of "Elder" John Strong, Margery Deane, and > Abigail Ford in England. Children of "Elder" John > Strong of MA & CT. Historical documents of England & > U.S.A.; historical Strong(e) homes and buildings. New > genealogical research findings concerning families in > "The West Country" of England: Somerset, Dorset, and > Devon counties. Memorial to John Richard Mayer, Strange > descendant and researcher. Other research aids and links. > ==========================================================

Hello Listers! I am looking for descendents of RALPH DOUGLAS STRONG, b. 30 Jan 1909 in Ilion, Herkimer Co., NY; d. 30 Dec 1983 in Naples, Collier Co., FL; lived many years in Pennsylvania. He was married to Dorothy ("Dot") Young about 1930; They had two children: Wllliam C. ("Bill") who married Dinah Vaughan (I think!) Janice -- married (unknown) GAINES between them thay had at least 6 children At some point (1965-1975-ish) both Bill and Janice lived in California. I am also looking for a first cousin of William and Janice's (and mine!) -- Barbara STRONG -- b. abt. 1940 she is the only daughter of Irwin Harold/Milton Henry (Bud) Strong and Marjorie Phillips. Bud is the brother of Ralph.. Barbara was married and had at least one daughter. Sometime around 1980-1990 she was divorced and changed her surname back to STRONG. She was living in the southern NYS - northern PA area. Appreciate any help, as always! Marsha Strong Gainesville, FL

Hello Listers! I am looking for descendents of RALPH DOUGLAS STRONG, b. 30 Jan 1909 in Ilion, Herkimer Co., NY; d. 30 Dec 1983 in Naples, Collier Co., FL; lived many years in Pennsylvania. He was married to Dorothy ("Dot") Young about 1930; they had two children: Wllliam C. ("Bill") who married Dinah Vaughan (I think!) Janice -- married (unknown) GAINES between them thay had at least 6 children At some point (1965-1975-ish) both Bill and Janice lived in California. I am also looking for a first cousin of William and Janice's (and mine!) -- Barbara STRONG -- b. abt. 1940 she is the only daughter of Irwin Harold/Milton Henry ("Bud") Strong and Marjorie Phillips. Bud is the brother of Ralph, above. Barbara was married and had at least one daughter. Sometime around 1980-1990 she was divorced and changed her surname back to STRONG. She was living in the southern NYS - northern PA area. Appreciate any help, as always! Marsha Strong Gainesville, FL

Hi List I am doing this research on behalf of an aged aunt in South Africa, and am therefore not related to any STRONG's, but she is. I have this info and would appreciate any comments or links that the list might have. Her grandfather went out to SA on some form of colonial service. His birth certificate gave this info: Born 20 April 1850 at 21 Great New Street, St. Brides / Name - Benjamin Arther / Boy / Father - John Strong / Mother - Keturah Sophia Strong, formerly Tricket / Profession - Sterotype Founder / Signed by John Strong, Father, 21 Great New Street, London on the 11 September 1850. as well as the Registrat Wm. Chambers, Deputy Superintendent Registrar. Her grandfather had been married PRIOR to coming to SA, so there would be a branch in the UK of his. My aunt knows no other detail of his first family. Her grandfathers BROTHER (i.e her great uncle) was Sir THOMAS VEZEY STRONG, Lord Mayor of London in 1911/12. They have an invitation to an official invitation to the Coronation Celebration ROYAL LUNCHEON AT GUILDHALL on Thursday 20th June 1911 to their Majesties KING GEORGE V and QUEEN MARY by the then Lord Mayor of London The Right Honorable Sir T. (for Thomas) Vezey Strong. I have been unable to find out any additional info on this branch. The 1881 census locates them as follows: Dwelling: 17 Red Lion Square Census Place: St George Martyr, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341074 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0338 Folio 48 Page 17 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Keturah S. STRONG W 62 F Bradford, Wiltshire, England Rel: Head John Edwd. STRONG M 26 M London City Of St Brides, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Stationer Salesman Thomas Vezey STRONG U 23 M London City Of St Andrews, London, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Paper Makers Traveller ANY HELP WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED. Regards Deirdre Snook

Gord... Your message of yesterday piqued my interest. Congratulations on your successful trip to Ireland. Thanks for sharing your insights with us! As you know, about four years ago you furnished a number of records which I added to the "off-line" version of the Irish Strong Database. Those records are included in the update of the HTML version of the database found at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/counties.htm It took me a while, but I did get the database updated and on-line! {:-) Thanks to many people, including you! In the mean-time, I have been corresponding with some other researchers who have an interest in the Strongs of County Down, as well as other counties. I am copying them with this message, against the possibility they are not on the Rootsweb Strong-List. In the next couple of days, I hope to revise the County Down database on-line. See http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/down.htm For now, I have uploaded a new page on a "temporary" basis, relating to the various Strongs belonging to the Tulliniskey lineage. Please take a look at the Down database as well as the new page, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tullin~1.htm If you can, please advise whether I am missing identification of any members of the lineage, and fill me in with other members as needed. I have also personally id'd but not on line tagged certain of the Down Stronges whom I think belong to the ancestors of Rev. Albert Ernest Samuel STRONGE portion of the lineage. If you want, I can try to id them on line as well. Let me know if this helps! Regards Dave =================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Gord Stronge <gstronge@home.com> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:43 PM Subject: Re: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > Dave: > Rev. William James STRONGE, [1841-1910] b. Co. Down > Just returned from 4 weeks in Ireland - had a wonderful trip and visited > old STRONGE farms in Co. Down and BERRY homesteads in Killeshandra Co. > Cavan. Ellen Irwin BERRY [1850-1937] is my g.grandmother. Her husband, > the Rev. William James STRONGE is my g. grandfather, b. 1841 at > Garvaghy, Kinallen Co. Down [1-2 miles west of Dromara]. The first 3 of > their 10 children were born in Killeshandra, Cavan: > > 1. Mary Anne STRONGE b. Jun.11.1875 died in infancy or as young child. > 2. Florence Augusta STRONGE b. Aug.10.1876 d. 1961 > 3. Emily Euphemia STRONGE b. Dec.13.1878 d. 1947 > > In 1867 William James STRONGE was ordained a Presbyterian minister in > Killeshandra, where he ministered for 12 yrs. I have not yet made any > ancestral connection to Cavan with W.J. Stronge but believe there must > be some. His father was James STRONGE b. circa 1799 who farmed at > Garvaghy, Tulliniskey, Co. Down; I have no record of James' birth. > The records indicate several Strong/Stronge names are from Cavan and I > have always wondered if James was born there. I would not be surprised > to learn of Strong relations from this area. > > While in Co. Antrim & Co. Down, I met previously unknown Stronge > relatives who are assisting me with their Co. Down Stronge lineage. It > is unconfirmed as yet, but I believe we share either the same g.g. or > g.g.g. grandfather. They are children of the Rev. Albert Ernest Samuel > STRONGE [1904-1982] who coincidentally also served the Presbyterian > church in Carrigallen [?] Co. Cavan. > > Could you please pass along Ordella Park's e-mail address? Also note > and please post my new e-mail address: gstronge@shaw.ca > > Cheers, > > Gord Stronge > > -------------------------------------- > > Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne wrote: > > > > Janet... > > > > I was going thru my old messages, and came across this one of yours... > > I took a look in my Irish Strong BMD Index: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/bmdindex.htm#M > > ARRIAGE > > There is a marriage record for a William Strong in County Cavan in > > 1873 and another one in 1875. I don't know who either of these > > gentlemen married, but see the Aid To Researchers section of the > > webpage re methods of ordering an uncertified copy of the original > > record of the marriages, which WOULD show who they married. If you > > follow up on this, please let me know what you find. > > > > Note, in the Irish Strong Database > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/cavan.htm > > under County Cavan, there is a record of a marriage of a William > > James Stronge for 1872Jul2, to Ellen Irwin Berry, which MAY be one of > > the same records as shown above in the BMD Index... if so, it's not a > > match... but you may want to check it out anyway. Somehow, I don't > > think it relates to either of the BMD Index records. > > > > Also, I am copying this message to Ordella McIntyre Park, who is > > something of an expert re the Cavan Strongs... maybe she will be able > > to help. > > > > I guess a preliminary question is, do you know WHERE Wm. T. Strong and > > Margaret MCGOWAN were married????? > > > > Regards > > Dave Strong > > > > =================== > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jaws <jawbay@earthlink.net> > > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:42 PM > > Subject: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > > > > > Just a periodical posting of my interest; always hoping for a > > > connection! > > > > > > William T. STRONG b. ca. 1852 in Ireland m. Margaret MCGOWAN ca. > > 1875 > > > Their known issue all born in NYC, USA, William b. 1878, Thomas b. > > > 1879, Agnes b. 1881, Mary b. 1884, Rose b. 1888 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ====

Janet.... As a follow up to the prior message, I also took a look in the Irish Strong BMD Index for the death of a Thomas Strong and a Rose Strong, based on prior info concerning your search. I found no "Rose Strong" in the deaths section of the index... BUT, I did find a couple of likely Thomas Strongs... in 1873 and 1879, both in County Cavan. You might want to check these out using the same procedure as noted before in the Aid to Researchers section of the webpage. Dave ============= ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne <dbsandmd@nhb.com> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: Janet White (re Wm T Strong, Ireland, 1851-1875) <jawbay@earthlink.net>; Ordella McIntyre Park (re Co.Cavan Strongs) <alledro@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 2:08 PM Subject: Re: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > Janet... > > I was going thru my old messages, and came across this one of yours... > I took a look in my Irish Strong BMD Index: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/bmdindex.htm#M > ARRIAGE > There is a marriage record for a William Strong in County Cavan in > 1873 and another one in 1875. I don't know who either of these > gentlemen married, but see the Aid To Researchers section of the > webpage re methods of ordering an uncertified copy of the original > record of the marriages, which WOULD show who they married. If you > follow up on this, please let me know what you find. > > Note, in the Irish Strong Database > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/cavan.htm > under County Cavan, there is a record of a marriage of a William > James Stronge for 1872Jul2, to Ellen Irwin Berry, which MAY be one of > the same records as shown above in the BMD Index... if so, it's not a > match... but you may want to check it out anyway. Somehow, I don't > think it relates to either of the BMD Index records. > > Also, I am copying this message to Ordella McIntyre Park, who is > something of an expert re the Cavan Strongs... maybe she will be able > to help. > > I guess a preliminary question is, do you know WHERE Wm. T. Strong and > Margaret MCGOWAN were married????? > > Regards > Dave Strong > > =================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jaws <jawbay@earthlink.net> > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:42 PM > Subject: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > > > > Just a periodical posting of my interest; always hoping for a > > connection! > > > > William T. STRONG b. ca. 1852 in Ireland m. Margaret MCGOWAN ca. > 1875 > > Their known issue all born in NYC, USA, William b. 1878, Thomas b. > > 1879, Agnes b. 1881, Mary b. 1884, Rose b. 1888 > > > > Thanks, > > Janet > >

I forgot to mention on my enquiry on VIOLA STRONG that she also had a brother HARRY STRONG who lived in Denver and died in California. Thanks, Joe Anjier

Dave: Rev. William James STRONGE, [1841-1910] b. Co. Down Just returned from 4 weeks in Ireland - had a wonderful trip and visited old STRONGE farms in Co. Down and BERRY homesteads in Killeshandra Co. Cavan. Ellen Irwin BERRY [1850-1937] is my g.grandmother. Her husband, the Rev. William James STRONGE is my g. grandfather, b. 1841 at Garvaghy, Kinallen Co. Down [1-2 miles west of Dromara]. The first 3 of their 10 children were born in Killeshandra, Cavan: 1. Mary Anne STRONGE b. Jun.11.1875 died in infancy or as young child. 2. Florence Augusta STRONGE b. Aug.10.1876 d. 1961 3. Emily Euphemia STRONGE b. Dec.13.1878 d. 1947 In 1867 William James STRONGE was ordained a Presbyterian minister in Killeshandra, where he ministered for 12 yrs. I have not yet made any ancestral connection to Cavan with W.J. Stronge but believe there must be some. His father was James STRONGE b. circa 1799 who farmed at Garvaghy, Tulliniskey, Co. Down; I have no record of James' birth. The records indicate several Strong/Stronge names are from Cavan and I have always wondered if James was born there. I would not be surprised to learn of Strong relations from this area. While in Co. Antrim & Co. Down, I met previously unknown Stronge relatives who are assisting me with their Co. Down Stronge lineage. It is unconfirmed as yet, but I believe we share either the same g.g. or g.g.g. grandfather. They are children of the Rev. Albert Ernest Samuel STRONGE [1904-1982] who coincidentally also served the Presbyterian church in Carrigallen [?] Co. Cavan. Could you please pass along Ordella Park's e-mail address? Also note and please post my new e-mail address: gstronge@shaw.ca Cheers, Gord Stronge -------------------------------------- Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne wrote: > > Janet... > > I was going thru my old messages, and came across this one of yours... > I took a look in my Irish Strong BMD Index: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/bmdindex.htm#M > ARRIAGE > There is a marriage record for a William Strong in County Cavan in > 1873 and another one in 1875. I don't know who either of these > gentlemen married, but see the Aid To Researchers section of the > webpage re methods of ordering an uncertified copy of the original > record of the marriages, which WOULD show who they married. If you > follow up on this, please let me know what you find. > > Note, in the Irish Strong Database > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/cavan.htm > under County Cavan, there is a record of a marriage of a William > James Stronge for 1872Jul2, to Ellen Irwin Berry, which MAY be one of > the same records as shown above in the BMD Index... if so, it's not a > match... but you may want to check it out anyway. Somehow, I don't > think it relates to either of the BMD Index records. > > Also, I am copying this message to Ordella McIntyre Park, who is > something of an expert re the Cavan Strongs... maybe she will be able > to help. > > I guess a preliminary question is, do you know WHERE Wm. T. Strong and > Margaret MCGOWAN were married????? > > Regards > Dave Strong > > =================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jaws <jawbay@earthlink.net> > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:42 PM > Subject: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > > > Just a periodical posting of my interest; always hoping for a > > connection! > > > > William T. STRONG b. ca. 1852 in Ireland m. Margaret MCGOWAN ca. > 1875 > > Their known issue all born in NYC, USA, William b. 1878, Thomas b. > > 1879, Agnes b. 1881, Mary b. 1884, Rose b. 1888 > > > > Thanks, > > Janet > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > ======================================================== > > Address to subscribe or cancel subscription for MAIL-MODE: > > <STRONG-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > > > Address to subscribe or cancel subscription for DIGEST-MODE: > > <STRONG-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > ========================================================== > > To subscribe, send 1 word message: subscribe > > > > To cancel subscription, send 1 word: unsubscribe > > ========================================================== > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > "Welcome to my World": Martha F. (Brani) Strong's web site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7905/ > > Ancestors of "Elder" John Strong, Margery Deane, and > Abigail Ford in England. Children of "Elder" John > Strong of MA & CT. Historical documents of England & > U.S.A.; historical Strong(e) homes and buildings. New > genealogical research findings concerning families in > "The West Country" of England: Somerset, Dorset, and > Devon counties. Memorial to John Richard Mayer, Strange > descendant and researcher. Other research aids and links. > ==========================================================

Janet... I was going thru my old messages, and came across this one of yours... I took a look in my Irish Strong BMD Index: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/bmdindex.htm#M ARRIAGE There is a marriage record for a William Strong in County Cavan in 1873 and another one in 1875. I don't know who either of these gentlemen married, but see the Aid To Researchers section of the webpage re methods of ordering an uncertified copy of the original record of the marriages, which WOULD show who they married. If you follow up on this, please let me know what you find. Note, in the Irish Strong Database http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/cavan.htm under County Cavan, there is a record of a marriage of a William James Stronge for 1872Jul2, to Ellen Irwin Berry, which MAY be one of the same records as shown above in the BMD Index... if so, it's not a match... but you may want to check it out anyway. Somehow, I don't think it relates to either of the BMD Index records. Also, I am copying this message to Ordella McIntyre Park, who is something of an expert re the Cavan Strongs... maybe she will be able to help. I guess a preliminary question is, do you know WHERE Wm. T. Strong and Margaret MCGOWAN were married????? Regards Dave Strong =================== ----- Original Message ----- From: jaws <jawbay@earthlink.net> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:42 PM Subject: STRONG, William T., b. ca. 1852 IRE>NYC,NY,USA > Just a periodical posting of my interest; always hoping for a > connection! > > William T. STRONG b. ca. 1852 in Ireland m. Margaret MCGOWAN ca. 1875 > Their known issue all born in NYC, USA, William b. 1878, Thomas b. > 1879, Agnes b. 1881, Mary b. 1884, Rose b. 1888 > > Thanks, > Janet > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > Address to subscribe or cancel subscription for MAIL-MODE: > <STRONG-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > Address to subscribe or cancel subscription for DIGEST-MODE: > <STRONG-D-request@rootsweb.com> > ========================================================== > To subscribe, send 1 word message: subscribe > > To cancel subscription, send 1 word: unsubscribe > ==========================================================

Hi: I am a new subscriber to the list & wonder if anyone on the list would have information on my grandmother, VIOLA STRONG. I have just received her death certificate that was filled out by her husband, JOSEPH L. ANJIER. On the certificate her birthdate is given as November 7, 1884 and the her birthplace as Michigan(I think it could be Jackson). She died April 16th, 1916 in Denver, Colorado. Her father was listed as N. D. Strong born in Michigan and her mother as L. Christmus/Christmas born in Canada. The family story is that they were married in Cheyenne, Wyoming but I have no proof of that. She died shortly after their last child, Helen Viola was born. Her first child, Grace Viola was born December 27, 1904 in Denver so the family had to be in Colorado at that time. Her other children also born in Denver were Louis John, Mabel Azalea, Edith Ruth Delphine and Charles Nathan. Any help with my family history would be greatly appreciated. Joe Anjier e-mail: jjanjier@bellsouth.net

Janet, As I am sure you know, Mayfair is an old part of London. The stonemason Strong's owned property in London - Greenwich etc and the possibilities are very high that the herald was designed in the 1700's when status was attached to being a tradesman etc in London (a freeman). The stonemason Strong's carried an awful amount of clout in the 1700's and would have been inclined towards pampering themselves with social status actions of the time - manor in the country, family herald, and portraits in stained glass. If any one is interested in the latter - Edward Strong snr appears in a stained glass window in the church next to the Guildhall Library in London (he is seen standing with Grinley (sp?) Gibbons [well-respected carpenter] and Christopher Wren). The chances are also very high that the Valentine I mention is a relation of yours - it is an unusual name, and one that has been repeated in this particular line of the family. I would be most interested to know from you, if you have done any research into your more recent ancestors, as this might help me identify the missing link factor between my present Strong family and the stonemason Strong's (Valentine & Co.) Best wishes, Nicola &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Nicola Jenkin Projects Manager Best Foot Forward Ltd The Future Centre 115 Magdalen Road Oxford OX4 1RQ England Tel: 01865 250818 Fax: 01865 794586 Mobile: 0781 558 7707 E-mail: nicola@bestfootforward.com Website: www.bestfootforward.com City Limits Project: Ecological Footprint of Greater London: www.citylimitslondon.com 'Sharing Nature's Interest' & a lifestyle calculator: www.ecologicalfootprint.com -----Original Message----- From: Jan5G@aol.com [mailto:Jan5G@aol.com] Sent: 28 October 2001 16:37 To: STRONG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: A brief - The Strong stonemasons-Attention Nicola and others interested I, too, have been told my family is descended from the Strong stonemasons. I have a family crest, which appears to be very old, that has on the back "...and of the Mayfair". Would anyone have any idea what this could mean? Another interesting note, aside from a long line of future masons, my g-g-grandfather was a Valentine Strong. Janet Strong Graves ______________________________

...and my grandfather was a 33rd (yes,33rd) degree mason. J LesStrang@aol.com

I, too, have been told my family is descended from the Strong stonemasons. I have a family crest, which appears to be very old, that has on the back "...and of the Mayfair". Would anyone have any idea what this could mean? Another interesting note, aside from a long line of future masons, my g-g-grandfather was a Valentine Strong. Janet Strong Graves

Dear David & Jen (and any others interested) David thank you very much for forwarding me archived material regarding previous enquiries and discussions on the Strong stonemasons and possible links with the Wicklow Strongs. To date I have not made a connection with the latter, but that does not mean there is none - I am possibly a different off-shoot. The main purpose for this e-mail is to very briefly introduce the Strong stonemasons. The aim of doing this is to assist anybody trying to trace their family to them. I know a lot of us have missing links between them and our immediate ancestors. Yet a couple of us have grown up being told we are related to the Strong stonemasons who built St Pauls etc - but how!! Well I have been delving very deep and have come up with an idea on how any Strong descendents could be related to these masons. I have recently written to a great-aunt of mine (a Strong) to find out more about her immediate family in the hope that I can turn 'myth' into 'reality' and find the missing link. In writing the letter, I gave a brief description of the Strong masons and how any 21st Century Strongs could be DIRECTLY related to them. Below is an extract from this letter, which I hope will be of interest to any of those wishing to find a link: "... My most interesting finds, to date, have been on the Strong's. Coming over here Mum had told me that we are supposedly related to the Strong's who built St Paul's Cathedral. Myth or not I decided to find out. I have found lots of information on the stone-masons who built St Paul's. They actually lived in a little town called Taynton - just outside Oxford!! Fate or what! They owned a quarry here, as well as one in the neighbouring Cotswold town of Little Barrington (where they also lived). It was from these quarries that they supplied stone and their skills to a number of colleges at Oxford University, the Sheldonian Theatre and the extravagant Blenheim Palace. The main Strong was Timothy, who came from Wiltshire. He lived during the late 16th Century. He built a variety of manors in the Cotswolds. His son, Valentine Strong (don't you love the name!) moved to Taynton/Little Barrington where he built the family home, which still stands today! He also built a number of manor houses in the area. He and his wife, Ann, had six sons and five daughters!! It is from these six sons that come the infamous stone-masons. The eldest being Thomas (b. 1632- d. 1681). Whilst working in Oxford he became acquainted with Christopher Wren, who was a lecturer at the University at the time. Wren asked him to build his design of the Sheldonian Theatre, and obviously liked what he saw. After the Great Fire of London (1666) Sir Christopher Wren was asked to lead the reconstruction programme of the many destroyed churches. Upon which, amongst other stone-masons, he called upon Thomas Strong. Thomas' first work, and supposed test work for St Paul's Cathedral, was St. Stephen's (Walbrook). He was assisted by the well-known and other Cotswold stone-mason, William Kempster. Thomas then signed a contract to do St Paul's and laid the foundation stone in 1675. In order to practice his trade in London he was admitted to the Company of Masons and made free in 1671. He was involved in the construction of a number of other London churches, as well as providing stone for their reconstruction. He also employed a number of apprentices and labour. He died, unmarried, in 1681, passing all his contracts, apprentices and estate onto one of his younger brothers, Edward (bp 1652 - d 1723/4). Edward is seen as the most prominent stone-mason, highly regarded by Wren, and made free in 1680, becoming Master of the Company of Masons in 1696 [this is now debatable as I have discovered contradictory facts from original Company records][NOTE: not a link to freemasons]. He mainly worked on St Paul's Cathedral but worked on other churches in London, Greenwich Hospital and Blenheim Palace. As with Thomas, he had a number of apprentices and a vast team of workmen. He became a very wealthy man - signing contracts with Christopher Wren, Hawksmoor and Vanbrugh. With his earnings he brought property in London and in out-lying areas. Eventually retiring to Hide Manor, Hertfordshire, to live the life of a gentleman. Here he wrote his memoirs (which I am trying to trace). He died at the age of 71. Edward had two or three sons. The records are confusing, and I think one daughter. One of Edward's sons (the other's being Thomas and/or John) was also called Edward (referred to as Edward jnr). Hence the confusion in many records as to which Edward lived where and their number of children! Edward jnr followed in his father's footsteps and is known for placing the final stone on the dome of St Paul's Cathedral (33 years, spent as a family, working on the Cathedral). Edward jnr was also a well respected mason and became Master of the Company of Masons in 1718. Edward knew Christopher Wren's son well and it is said that they visited Paris together in 1698. In 1699, he married Susanna Roberts, daughter of the King's plumber - an esteemed position in those days! They also had a son called Edward. Unfortunately he died of smallpox at the age of 20, while studying at Cambridge University. Edward jnr also owned property in London and Hertfordshire, although records seem to muddle up his properties with Edward snr. However, it does appear as if he and Susanna had two daughters who inherited his wealth and property. In terms of tracing our family history, and to find out whether we are direct descendents of either Thomas, Edward snr or Edward jnr - the only possibility is through one of Edward snr's other two sons - Thomas or John. It appears as if the former son, died unmarried. However, John died in 1757 and appears to have been married. He could possibly be the only link (what with the original Thomas (1st Strong to work on St Paul's) dying unmarried, and Edward jnr's only son also dying unmarried). However, we could have come from one of Valentine Strong's many sons. It is said that descendants of his moved, lived and practiced the skill of stone-masonry and owned a quarry in Box (Wiltshire) and Stanford-in-the-Vale. Stong's also owned a quarry in Warminster, with Egerton Strong living there until his death at the age of 83 in 1964. ..." If anyone can shed any light on 'missing links' - our present day Strong's living in South Africa and the above I would love to hear from you (as requested in a previous e-mail). If anyone would like to ask me any further questions relating to the stone-mason Strong's I would be glad to assist. I would like to think that my records are prettyy accurate. Accuracy being based on original 17th & 18th Century sources, and reading many 20th Century books on architecture etc in England. The latter information sometimes being contradictory, hence the need to refer to as many original sources as possible to validate claims. Best wishes, Nicola ............................................................................ ................................ Nicola Jenkin Projects Manager Best Foot Forward Ltd The Future Centre 115 Magdalden Road Oxford OX4 1RQ England Tel: 01865 250818 Fax: 01865 794586 Mobile: 0781 558 7707 E-mail: nicola@bestfootforward.com Website: www.bestfootforward.com City Limits Project: Ecological Footprint of Greater London: www.citylimitslondon.com 'Sharing Nature's Interest' & a lifestyle calculator: www.ecologicalfootprint.com