I could be interested in the DNA Study. Any chance of others decending from Durham, CT branches being invoved? Ralph Strong

I would also be interested - especially if we can then connect with others who do not appear to descend from Elder John. Connie

Even though I do know my Strong lineage from Elder John, I think a study like this would be so useful for many many reasons. Anything I can do to help... Count me in! Marsha Strong Gainesville, FL --------------- At 10:09 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I agree with Tom Strong. I also have a problem connecting my Southern Strong >Line and would be interested in the DNA Testing > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tom Strong <3strong@adelphia.net> >To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:46 PM >Subject: Re: [STRONG] DNA Study > > >> Tom Strong (the old one) at 3strong@adelphia.net has an interest, since we >> cannot identify our founding father(s)! Haven't done anything about it >yet. >> Seems a bit pricey at this point. Perhaps with a large segment of Strongs >> interested, a "group rate" might be negotiated. Just askin'. >> >> Melinda Strong wrote: >> >> > Any thoughts been given to a STRONG DNA study? My husband is from an >> > unidentified line. The furthest back he can go is to Ralph Bernard >STRONG >> > born ca 1857 in Ohio. Per census records, both parents born in Ohio. One >> > census response indicates his father may have instead been born in New >York. >> > >> > >> > It would be interesting to know if his line might/might not tie into >proven >> > descendants of Elder John Strong of New York. >> > >> > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== >> > ======================================================== >> > THE STRONG ROOTS DATABASE: >> > http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm >> > >> > Strong Ancestor Charts, in GEDCOM to HTML format. >> > ========================================================== >> >> >> ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== >> ======================================================== >> Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) >> IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm >> Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13 >> of manuscript, entitled "Lineages"; >> & >> Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm >> Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and >> related families. >> ========================================================== >> > > >==== STRONG Mailing List ==== >======================================================== >THE STRONG ROOTS DATABASE: >http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm > >Strong Ancestor Charts, in GEDCOM to HTML format. >========================================================== > >

I am copying this verbatim from the STRICKLAND list, to which I also subscribe. They have just completed a DNA study with BYU. There is an excellent website summarizing the results, which is referenced. Ron Strickland of Denver spent over a year coordinating this project, and did a fantastic job. EXCERPT from the STRICKLAND-L@rootsweb.com: Most of you already are aware, but another opportunity is underway for Strickland/Stricklin/etc. surname males to submit a "cheek swab" (a cotton swab twirled on the inside of the cheek to gather loose cells) to identify from which family branch they & their relatives descend. The Y-chromosome DNA is passed down father-to-son, generation after generation, with few changes over hundreds of years, which enables participants whose haplotypes (sets of unique genetic markers that define an individual or group) match to have confidence they share a male ancestor on their direct paternal line. This facilitates barking up the right trees in further documentary genealogical research! An ad hoc group is underway, with the services of the same excellent Salt Lake City genealogical DNA laboratory that provided the analyses for BYU in the first phase of the Strickland DNA Project (see http://members.aol.com/stricklandquery/dnaproject.htm <http://members.aol.com/stricklandquery/dnaproject.htm> ). The first 11 participants in the current new group will be sent their "kits" (cotton swab, mailing envelope, instructions) in the next day or two. Please contact me promptly for further information. It is not anticipated that this group will remain open for participation for a long period, but that anyone presently interested should move quickly - or trust that a subsequent group will form another year. Thanks! Robert C. Stricklin rstrickl@oregonvos.net ==== STRICKLAND Mailing List ==== Strickland Mailing List - Send all queries to Strickland-L@Rootsweb.com To unsubscribe send email to Strickland-L-request@rootsweb.com Leave subject blank, Put the word unsubscribe in the body of email. Problems email Strickland-Admin@rootsweb.com

I agree with Tom Strong. I also have a problem connecting my Southern Strong Line and would be interested in the DNA Testing ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Strong <3strong@adelphia.net> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [STRONG] DNA Study > Tom Strong (the old one) at 3strong@adelphia.net has an interest, since we > cannot identify our founding father(s)! Haven't done anything about it yet. > Seems a bit pricey at this point. Perhaps with a large segment of Strongs > interested, a "group rate" might be negotiated. Just askin'. > > Melinda Strong wrote: > > > Any thoughts been given to a STRONG DNA study? My husband is from an > > unidentified line. The furthest back he can go is to Ralph Bernard STRONG > > born ca 1857 in Ohio. Per census records, both parents born in Ohio. One > > census response indicates his father may have instead been born in New York. > > > > > > It would be interesting to know if his line might/might not tie into proven > > descendants of Elder John Strong of New York. > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > ======================================================== > > THE STRONG ROOTS DATABASE: > > http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm > > > > Strong Ancestor Charts, in GEDCOM to HTML format. > > ========================================================== > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) > IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm > Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13 > of manuscript, entitled "Lineages"; > & > Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm > Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and > related families. > ========================================================== >

I would also be interested in a project of this type. My Strong line has been my brick wall for the last 20 years. We believe our Samuel Strong (Pensylvania about 1790) is a descendant of Elder John Strong but have been unable to find the connection. The only other possibility is a later immigrant from Ireland but this does ot fit with family tradition of his being of English descent. Karen Strong McKellar

(The following is from David B. Strong <dbstrong@sos.net> long-time and well-respected STRONG-L member.) Hi Russell... I am away from my desktop computer on one of my periodic sojourns .... consequently Marilynn is forwarding my mail to me. I don't have my laptop set up with a Strong-List subscription... so I am forwarding this message to you and requesting that you post it to the Strong List for me. I am quite interested in an overall LeStrange/Strange/Stronge/Strong/Strang DNA study. I think there are a great many questions which could be, if not answered, at least enlightened by such a study. It is quite interesting that several persons have posted messages to the Strong-List re such a study in the last day or two. Just in the last two weeks I have been corresponding with several individuals re the possibility of such a study. What follows is an excerpt from some of our messages. I would be very interested in the further thoughts of anyone who is interested. Regards Dave Strong PS: My apologies to the previous addressees of the excerpted messages... but I thought timeliness of the message subject called for immediate action, which necessitates a certain degree of disclosure you may not have anticipated. ================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne To: Roger Dellinger ; Gord Stronge Cc: PD & LE Strong ; Grahame Stronge Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 7:43 AM Subject: Re: South Carolina Strongs Hi Roger, and all... One of the projects I currently have in mind is to initiate a DNA Genetics study involving the entire spectrum of Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong. I have been doing a bit of on-line research, and find that a good number of such one-name genealogical studies are underway. There has been a great deal of progress in the subject area in the last few years. A good place to start, if you are interested, is at Chris Pomery's DNA Portal: freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~allpoms/genetics.html If you look at it and follow the links, you will find that genetic testing is becoming relatively inexpensive... about $99 US per initial test, using Family Tree DNA Lab. See their website at: http://www.familytreedna.com/ and follow the links on Surname Projects. I looked at the other labs available and think this one is the best so far. They also offer a facility for converting the results of other labs and making the results compatible with their results... which may be useful in at least one other situation of which I am aware... a Strong who has apparently had some genetic testing done in his individual case. There are some limitations on what can be established using DNA studies. Obviously, we won't be able to establish the name and identity of any "missing links". And, for now, given the science involved, the tests should probably be limited to male representatives of each lineage, emphasizing sampling of the oldest available members of each lineage, and finding multiple testees in each lineage for verification purposes. However, we may be able to establish things such as: 1) Are the three branches of Strong/Stronges being studied by Roger, Gord, and Philip related genetically? 2) How many generations back from the samples tested did the three lineages have a common ancestor?.... and that could be important in putting bones on the hypotheses re how the lineages fit together. 3) Given testing in other lineages, to what degree are the other lineages related? Eg., are my Donegal/Fermanagh lineages related to your Down/Antrim lineages, or are they English in origin? The same questions can be asked about MANY different Strong etc., lineages known to us. One of the things which inhibits me a bit re the project is the apparent need for some technical ability to analyze the significance of the various DNA elements found by testing. Apparently, one gets a lab report... with some observations on comparisons with other samples in the test group, (and Family Tree DNA is keeping an overall file looking for matches outside the tested groups, as well). The problem then is how much additional technical knowledge is needed to evaluate the findings and to present them in a meaningful way... not to mention the details of assuring that participant agree to disclosure and hold harmless agreements, etc. Question... are you as a group willing to participate in such a study? Would you be willing to pay the cost of the testing? Actually ordering and returning the test kits from your respective locations? Do you have any insights or ideas as to how this project might best be managed? Note, I have some info compiled in electronic format... forms, etc, and an idea of what might be projected as overall goals of the study. I have in mind trying to get this thing going this winter. HELP! Regards Dave Strong {:-) ======================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: David B. Strong To: Grahame Stronge (Co's Antrim & Down) ; Roger Dellinger (re Co. Antrim) ; Gord Stronge (Vancouver, BC, re Co.Down) ; Philip D & Lyn E Strong (Aust., re Strong of Ulster) Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 6:58 AM Subject: Re: South Carolina Strongs Roger .... One thing I overlooked in my latest discussion (above), is that the DNA testing must be done on males OF THE LINEAGE. This would mean you would not be an eligible participant in the test group. HOWEVER, I would hope you could lend your support by finding a living South Carolina male Strong who could be included in the test group.... {:-) Dave ============================== ----- Original Message ----- From: David B. Strong To: Roger Dellinger (re Co. Antrim) ; Grahame Stronge (Co's Antrim & Down) ;Gord Stronge (Vancouver, BC, re Co.Down) ; Philip D & Lyn E Strong (Aust., re Strong of Ulster) Cc: Dave Strong (in transit) Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: Fw: DNA Testing Hi Philip, et al... ---------------------- Anyway... a question... have you read the Chris Pomery website and followed the links? About the budget issue. I read something on the Family Tree DNA site that related to the issue. You may recall there are about 20-24 different DNA elements(?) for which they test. Apparently they can establish most of what one might want to know by an initial test for about half of the elements... and only if you find a need to persue closer definition do you need to do the followup additional test... and that essentially involves the lab returning to the same sample and extending their test procedure. If you test for all 20+ elements, the cost is roughly double. The lab itself recommends doing the testing in two parts so as to cut the cost facing one who is on a limited budget. I have to admit that I usually think twice about spending ~$100US on anything... guess that's one reason I tend to think there may be a Scots background to my version of the Strong name! {:-) However, on a cost benefit analysis... I think this is a good way to spend money vs wasting time and money persuing "black holes"... and it may narrow the research focus considerably for many of us. I assume, by the way, that the cost of living is roughly about the same whereever one lives in the modern world so the cost in Australian dollars, while numerically higher than in the US, is roughly the same in real terms. About the issue of multiple samples.... this is one of my concerns as well. I suspect we may have difficulty getting participants for various reasons... lack of interest, cost, lack of communications, etc. However, it may be that if we can structure a study so that it can be fleshed out slowly over time, perhaps it will bear fruit, particularly if we seize opportunities to proselytize for the test as various individuals exhibit interest from time to time... eg., I see this as a long term project, and that we will have to do what we can do, and hope that time will help. The project is big and complicated, but I think we can do it if we set our minds to it! Regards Dave ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Strong To: Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne ; Roger Dellinger ; Gord Stronge ; Grahame Stronge Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 8:40 PM Subject: DNA Testing Dear Dave et al, I have been following the recent correspondence with much interest. Nothing for quite a while... now we are back in business! Gord suggested that I had info on the Christopher STRONGs... no I had not pursued that at all.... must have been someone else. Dave has mentioned DNA testing: At 19/10/2002, Dave Strong wrote: One of the projects I currently have in mind is to initiate a DNA Genetics study involving the entire spectrum of Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong......you will find that genetic testing is becoming relatively inexpensive... about $99 US per initial test, using Family Tree DNA Lab. In my other life as a biology teacher I would say that this is the way to go! However, to present the contra.... (a) Budgetary: The exchange rate between AUS and USA makes it a steep price when I try to support such an expenditure for an initial test only, to my wife who does not understand me... at least my interest in family history. (b) Multiple samples: I can tell you all the members of our STRONG family directly descended through the male line from Robert STRONG b. 1830, Holywood Co. Down. Note that this direct descendancy through the male line is needed to receive that copy of the Y chromosome being tested. My generation is the oldest alive (does this mean we are the next to go?)... and in my generation there are only 4 eligible.... none of whom are interested in family history apart from myself. (c) Interest: In the past when Dave first raised the DNA idea, I wrote to all of our correspondents: At 13/7/2002, Philip Strong wrote: Dave has already suggested the possibility of DNA testing of the "Y" chromosomes (of male descendants). The males of my lot have quite distinctive foreheads... please look at the photos of males on my website. Perhaps your lot (in your respective families) has similar appearance?.... bit of a long shot? I knew my grandfather well when he was old. When I recently went to New Zealand I saw a photo of my great grandfather for the first time... taken at the same age as I knew my grandfather... my first thought was "it's the same person!"... a remarkable likeness. The address is: "STRONGs of Ulster, Ireland" http://www.pnc.com.au/~plstrong/ Regrettably the only person who replied to this simple genealogical exercise was Gord. I don't know if lack of reply translates into lack of interest in the wider issue of relationships of the STRONGs of Ireland. By the way, I liked Dave's reference to "males of the lineage"... it has a good biblical ring about it. Best regards to all, Phil ========================================== October 19, 2002 2:04 AM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne" <dbsandmd@nhb.com> To: "Dave Skagit Strong" <dbstrong@sos.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: Fw: [STRONG] Re: STRONG DNA Study > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <PattFulton@aol.com> > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:27 PM > Subject: [STRONG] Re: STRONG DNA Study > > > > Dear Members, > > I'm, also, a member of the HULL Family Association. We have a DNA > project, > > headed by one of our members. We have a contract with the U. of AZ. > It's my > > understanding the price can be lowered if enough are interested. > Our > > Association has allowed monies for the project. > > Patt Fulton > > Austin, TX. > > e-mail: PattFulton@aol.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! 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I, too, would be very interested in being part of a DNA project. I have been at a brick wall with my Amos R. Strong for many years. He was born in 1812 in New Jersey. He moved to Carroll Parish, Lousisana prior to 1847 and died there in 1858. Pam

Hi, I know that I'm related to John Elder Strong, it's directly traced, but I do have a question. What will this DNA test show, only hereditary? Please explain...what exactly will these tests show, what tests will be performed? Will they also check for disease inheritance, (cancers that are chromosomal related, abnormalities of certain chromosomes)? Specifically, what tests will be done? Kay

Hello Cousins! Out of curiosity here, what do these DNA test cost? Are results given to all the participants? It WOULD be very interesting to see if my 'lost' STRONG's are indeed related to Elder John -since so far we (the families of Giles Strong) can not find any connection to Elder Johns line. ~Rene! :)

Dear Members, I'm, also, a member of the HULL Family Association. We have a DNA project, headed by one of our members. We have a contract with the U. of AZ. It's my understanding the price can be lowered if enough are interested. Our Association has allowed monies for the project. Patt Fulton Austin, TX. e-mail: PattFulton@aol.com

Tom Strong (the old one) at 3strong@adelphia.net has an interest, since we cannot identify our founding father(s)! Haven't done anything about it yet. Seems a bit pricey at this point. Perhaps with a large segment of Strongs interested, a "group rate" might be negotiated. Just askin'. Melinda Strong wrote: > Any thoughts been given to a STRONG DNA study? My husband is from an > unidentified line. The furthest back he can go is to Ralph Bernard STRONG > born ca 1857 in Ohio. Per census records, both parents born in Ohio. One > census response indicates his father may have instead been born in New York. > > > It would be interesting to know if his line might/might not tie into proven > descendants of Elder John Strong of New York. > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > THE STRONG ROOTS DATABASE: > http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm > > Strong Ancestor Charts, in GEDCOM to HTML format. > ==========================================================

Any thoughts been given to a STRONG DNA study? My husband is from an unidentified line. The furthest back he can go is to Ralph Bernard STRONG born ca 1857 in Ohio. Per census records, both parents born in Ohio. One census response indicates his father may have instead been born in New York. It would be interesting to know if his line might/might not tie into proven descendants of Elder John Strong of New York.

Tony@howards.org, You can contact Lyle Strong at M1L2strong.aol, he is in charge SFAA book sale. I think you well looking for Strong update Volume III. Jim jegilbert@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <nj8lqk9auc001@sneakemail.com> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [STRONG] Geo. W. STRONG, 1811-1869 > ** Reply to message from "Tony Howard tony@howards.org" on Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:33:32 -0400 > > I am a newcommer to this list and saw this about the Strong Family History > > > This lineage is shown in Strong Family History as compiled by > > The Strong Family Association, Inc. > > My 7th great grandmother is Sarah Strong. If her family is in "Strong Family History" where can I get the book? > > John Strong > b.abt 1605 - Tauton, England > d.14 Apr 1699 - Northampton, Massachusetts > sp. Abigail Ford > b.9 Oct 1619 - Bridgeport, Dorset, England > d.6 Jul 1688 - Northampton, Massachusetts > > Return Strong > b.1640 - Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut > d.9 Apr 1726 - Northampton, Massachusetts > sp.Sarah Wareham > b.28 Aug 1642 - Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut > d.26 Dec 1678 - Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut > > Sarah Strong > b.14 Mar 1663 - Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut > d.27 May 1739 - Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut > sp.Joseph Bissell m.7 Jul 1686 > sp.John Higley m.1696 > > Robert Blair > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Protect yourself from spam, use http://sneakemail.com > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > THE STRONG QUEST (including The Strong Mail List web site) > http://ro.com/~rts2/quest > http://members.tripod.com/~RTStrong/Quest/index.html > > Policies and procedures for the Strong Mail List. > Ancestor / Descendancy Charts of subscribers and visitors. > Repository for Strong data and documents. > Links to Strong websites, research tools, etc. > ========================================================== > A STRONG HERITAGE: The Strong-Gossage Ancestral Database > http://ro.com/~rts2/ancestry > http://members.tripod.com/~RTStrong/Ancestry > > Ancestors of Robert T. (Bob) Strong, Jr., and Velma > (Gossage) Strong. Earliest Strong ancestor: John > Strong, Sr., of St. Peter's Parish, VA, circa 1700. > Notes, containing sources, included. > ======================================================== >

** Reply to message from "J. E. Gilbert jegilbert@comcast.net" on Sat, 05 Oct 2002 22:29:36 -0500 > You can contact Lyle Strong at M1L2strong.aol, he is in charge SFAA book > sale. I think you well looking for Strong update Volume III. Thanks. -- Robert Blair

** Reply to message from "Tony Howard tony@howards.org" on Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:33:32 -0400 I am a newcommer to this list and saw this about the Strong Family History > This lineage is shown in Strong Family History as compiled by > The Strong Family Association, Inc. My 7th great grandmother is Sarah Strong. If her family is in "Strong Family History" where can I get the book? John Strong b.abt 1605 - Tauton, England d.14 Apr 1699 - Northampton, Massachusetts sp. Abigail Ford b.9 Oct 1619 - Bridgeport, Dorset, England d.6 Jul 1688 - Northampton, Massachusetts Return Strong b.1640 - Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut d.9 Apr 1726 - Northampton, Massachusetts sp.Sarah Wareham b.28 Aug 1642 - Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut d.26 Dec 1678 - Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut Sarah Strong b.14 Mar 1663 - Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut d.27 May 1739 - Windsor, Hartford, Connecticut sp.Joseph Bissell m.7 Jul 1686 sp.John Higley m.1696 Robert Blair ----------------------------------------------------- Protect yourself from spam, use http://sneakemail.com

For SAR application, supporting documentation needed to establish Geo. W. STRONG as s/o Charles K. STRONG, & Abigail ADAMS who were married Oct 29, 1809 at Nassau, NY. This lineage is shown in Strong Family History as compiled by The Strong Family Association, Inc. Any help appreciated. Tony Howard

Dear Jim, This is the one I have for him jastrong@erols.com Martha

The email address I have for Jarvis Strong does not work. Any help out there? Jim jegilbert@comcast.net mywebpages.comcast.net/jegilbert/srd-toc.html

Can anyone tell me what happened to Rufus Strong, son of Daniel and Mary (Edmiston) Strong, born 15 August 1842 Gallia County OH, or to his wife Amanda Eleanor Hawk, daughter of Jacob and Melissa (Paine) Hawk, born 2 August 1836 Wilkesville OH? They were married 28 September 1865 Vinton County OH. I cannot find them in the 1870 census. In the 1880 census Amanda (Hawk) Strong was living with her parents in Vinton County. I cannot find records for either them thereafter. Many thanks for your help, and best wishes to you. Scott Swanson Department of History Butler University 4600 Sunset Avenue Indianapolis, Indiana 46208-3485