Hi- Are you related to MYER CRUMB who lived in San Luis OBISPO, CA? We wrote to him for years and have some pics --copies of family photos--and some of hisdata....in the last years he had quite abit of info--since he died I do not know where his info is..as I would like to get latest work--but I believe we can work this up together. I was married to Everett Harrington --son of Elaine ELY Harrington daughter of ELTON PERRY ELY son of PERRY GARNER and Ann Eliza STRONG...dau of DAVID STRONG and back about 10 generations... My children are Mark ELy Harrington, Heather Munro Harrington Simon, Emily Rebekah Harrington Williams, and Charles Caple Harrington. Looking forward to your response, Mary Caple Harrington and children--working on the childrens genealogy... Donna \(Moseley\) Crumb writes: > Hello Strong List Members! > > My husband is a Strong descendant, and we are just beginning our search for > information on this family. We have no source references for the data, > which was created by a deceased uncle. What information we have about the > family is shown in the a .ged file I will be glad to share. > > Ann Eliza Strong (b. 12-36-1848, d. 10-14-1930) married (01-04-1877) Perry > Garner Ely (b. 08-04-1850, d. 09-04-1930). Ann & Perry were both born in > Chautauqua County, New York, and died in Pomona, Los Angeles County, > California. > > Ann Eliza Strong (12-26-1848 - 10-15-1930), daughter of > David, (04-09-1801 - 10-08-1874), son of > Gilbert (03-02-1770 - 06-12-1861), son of > John (12-08-1743 - ?), son of > Ezra (1702-1785), son of > Jedediah, Jr. (1667-1709), son of > son of Jedediah, Sr. (1637-1733), son of > John (1605-1699) > > I would sincerely appreciate any information we can get on Ann's family > history and siblings and their descendants, as well as the any extended > family of her ancestors and their descendants. I hope there is someone out > there who can share the information via .ged, but of course, will be > appreciative of any information shared! Sources of the information are also > especially appreciated. > > Thank you sincerely for your help, > Donna (Moseley) Crumb > Kent, WA > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > Descendants of Alexander Strange, immigrant from Devon, > England, to New Kent County, VA, including the Ancestry > of John Richard Mayer, d. 1998, San Francisco, CA. > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/a/y/John-R-Mayer > ========================================================== >

I have children descended from the STRONG line-- We have a Ann Eliza STRONG born same date as yours in Twsp Sinclairville, Chautauqua Co., NY,,,married to Perry Garner ELY 4 Jan 1877 Her parents are- David Strong and his second wife- Sophia McCullough--his first wife was Mahala CLARK--they lived most of their life in the Town of Gerry, NY. Mahala had 4 children Sophia had 7 children that we know of Parents of Gilbert STRONG- John STRONG and Rachel CURTISS wife of Gilbert- Eliza PALMER second husband of Rachel CURTISS STRONG is Mr. STEVENS parents of John Strong--EZRA STRONG and Abigail CAVERLEY Have 4 or so generations beyond Ezra. Did you already get this information? My chidlren are descended through- Perry Garner Ely Elton Perry Ely Elaine Ely and Earl Harrington Everett Harrington and Mary Ethel CAPLE my children- Mark ELy Harrington, Heather Munro Harrington Simon, Emily Rebekah Harrington Williams, Charles Caple Harrington Looking forward to your response, Mary Harrington DaveTikes@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 10/30/02 12:29:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > dcrumbfamily@hotmail.com writes: > > > > I would sincerely appreciate any information we can get on Ann's family > > history and siblings and their descendants, as well as the any extended > > family of her ancestors and their descendants. > > Donna, > > Here is a link to the Strong Family Association of America web site, which > has lots of info on the descendants of John Strong: > > <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4715/">SFAA</A> > > Through the web site you can order books detailing the whole family line. > Heck, you might be in there yourself! > > Dave Strong > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > THE STRONG GENEALOGY NETWORK web site: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5744/ > > Register of Strong ancestors, by location. > Links to websites with Strong data (GEDCOM to HTML) > ========================================================== >

In a message dated 10/30/2002 10:03:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, dbstrong@sos.net writes: > Welcome to the list! Think you will find you are one of several Daves on > the list. It might help if you start adding your location to your > signature > or some other distinguishing factor, so everyone knows which of us is > sending the message. I identify myself as Dave S. on other lists, I guess that won't work here. Dave Strong Louisville

In a message dated 10/30/2002 9:49:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlarso36@cybertrails.com writes: > Looking for a "MARK STRONG" in TN or KY. Not sure when he would be born > only know he was named after my great uncle Mark HIPPARD of > Westmoreland, PA Mark died 1923. > > This is one of those famous "loooooooooooong shots" > There are alot of Strongs in the Eastern side of Kentucky, many seem to be involved in politics. A Strong is running for mayor of Richmond, KY (near Lexington), and a Strong has been politically active in Hazard (small coal-mining town in Eastern Kentucky, an alcohol oasis in an otherwise dry area). I'm from New Jersey but live in Louisville. Not from the local branch of Strongs. I'll try to ask around. Dave Strong

In a message dated 10/29/02 9:01:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyingjt@bellsouth.net writes: > I am Pamela Strong Turner. My father was the late Carlos "Carl" W. Strong, > son of the late Herbert Franklin "Frank" & Lula Green of Celina/Moss, TN. I know a Mary Strong in Moss, Tn. Is she part of your family? Dave Strong

In a message dated 10/30/02 12:29:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, dcrumbfamily@hotmail.com writes: > I would sincerely appreciate any information we can get on Ann's family > history and siblings and their descendants, as well as the any extended > family of her ancestors and their descendants. Donna, Here is a link to the Strong Family Association of America web site, which has lots of info on the descendants of John Strong: <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4715/">SFAA</A> Through the web site you can order books detailing the whole family line. Heck, you might be in there yourself! Dave Strong

Opps! I should have added.. Mark HIPPARD m. Elizabeth STRONG they lived in Westmoreland City, PA during 1870-1923... I believe Elizabeth died before 1923 she is not listed in Mark's will. Elizabeth's family : Aaron STRONG and his wife Lilli STRONG (Aaron probably a brother to Elizabeth) they inherited the "said store of Mark HIPPARD" Thanks again, always appreciate any help! Marcia HIPPARD Larson mlarso36@cybertrails.com

Looking for a "MARK STRONG" in TN or KY. Not sure when he would be born only know he was named after my great uncle Mark HIPPARD of Westmoreland, PA Mark died 1923. This is one of those famous "loooooooooooong shots" Thanks for your help!! This is a great list and so active! Marcia HIPPARD Larson mlarso36@cybertrails.com

Hi Dave... Welcome to the list! Think you will find you are one of several Daves on the list. It might help if you start adding your location to your signature or some other distinguishing factor, so everyone knows which of us is sending the message. I'm just as guilty as the next Dave for being a bit delinquent in this regard... but I know it helps everyone to know who is originating a message... {:-) !!! Dave Strong ... webmaster: Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13 of manuscript, entitled "Lineages"; & Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and related families. ============================================================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <DaveTikes@aol.com> > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:29 AM > Subject: [STRONG] new subscriber > > > > Greetings! > > > > I am David Hughes Strong, Louisville, KY, descendant of Elder John > Strong > > through the line of his son Samuel. Elder John's > great-great-grandson was > > Captain John Strong (of Albany, NY) who fought in the Revolution, > and through > > his lineage I am getting my ducks in a row to join the SAR. > > > > Glad to be here. > > > > Dave Strong > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > ======================================================== > > Address for online searchers of STRONG MAIL LIST ARCHIVES: > > http://newsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > MAISER ARCHIVES (1996-1997): Messages Cross Indexed: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9881 > > > > MAISER ARCHIVES (1996-1997): Messages not indexed: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9853 > > ========================================================== > > > >

Hello Strong List Members! My husband is a Strong descendant, and we are just beginning our search for information on this family. We have no source references for the data, which was created by a deceased uncle. What information we have about the family is shown in the a .ged file I will be glad to share. Ann Eliza Strong (b. 12-36-1848, d. 10-14-1930) married (01-04-1877) Perry Garner Ely (b. 08-04-1850, d. 09-04-1930). Ann & Perry were both born in Chautauqua County, New York, and died in Pomona, Los Angeles County, California. Ann Eliza Strong (12-26-1848 - 10-15-1930), daughter of David, (04-09-1801 - 10-08-1874), son of Gilbert (03-02-1770 - 06-12-1861), son of John (12-08-1743 - ?), son of Ezra (1702-1785), son of Jedediah, Jr. (1667-1709), son of son of Jedediah, Sr. (1637-1733), son of John (1605-1699) I would sincerely appreciate any information we can get on Ann's family history and siblings and their descendants, as well as the any extended family of her ancestors and their descendants. I hope there is someone out there who can share the information via .ged, but of course, will be appreciative of any information shared! Sources of the information are also especially appreciated. Thank you sincerely for your help, Donna (Moseley) Crumb Kent, WA

Hi Pamela... Short answer, your Strong brothers can be included in the Strong DNA Study... Your Turner sons can not. The DNA test ONLY works on Male Strongs for the purpose of this study. Let me know if you can get one or more of your brothers to volunteer. Are you South Carolina Strongs or are you Virginia Strongs, or another line? Will be posting more re the DNA study soon. Dave Strong ... webmaster: Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13 of manuscript, entitled "Lineages"; & Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and related families. ============================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Turner" <flyingjt@bellsouth.net> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [STRONG] DNA STUDY - Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong > I am Pamela Strong Turner. My father was the late Carlos "Carl" W. Strong, > son of the late Herbert Franklin "Frank" & Lula Green of Celina/Moss, TN. I > have three brothers, Carlos, Jr., Alan & John. Could they be included in > the Strong DNA Study? I would like to, but understand it only works with > the males. I have two sons, would they be able to be included? My personal > e-mail is homewardboundpst@bellsouth.net Thanks! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. E. Gilbert" <jegilbert@comcast.net> > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:41 PM > Subject: Re: [STRONG] DNA STUDY - Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong > > > > David, > > I would like to participate in DNA screening if the cost is not to great. > > Jim > > jegilbert@comcast.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Russell Laird" <rll.geo@yahoo.com> > > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:25 PM > > Subject: [STRONG] DNA STUDY - Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong > > > > > > > The following is from David B. Strong > > > <dbstrong@sos.net>: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: David B. Strong > > > Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 6:39 AM > > > Subject: DNA STUDY - > > > Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong > > > > > > > > > Hi Russell... please post this message on the Strong > > > List for me... > > > =========================== > > > To All who have expressed an interest in participating > > > in the proposed DNA > > > Study Project: > > > > > > First, thanks to Patt Fulton for providing us with the > > > valuable input from Jim Hull, Coordinator of the Hull > > > Family DNA Study (see bottom of this message). As I > > > indicated in a prior message, much work has already > > > been done in the sense that others have "paved the > > > way", and we can benefit from their experiences and > > > established procedures. > > > > > > Second, I very much want to participate in a DNA > > > Study, as I hope it will provide some answers to many > > > questions which have been the object of a lot of > > > speculation and hypotheses over the years. > > > Particularly, I am hoping for some clarification on my > > > own personal family history search. For these > > > reasons I am ready to try to put the DNA STUDY - re > > > Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong together. > > > However, I will hasten to say that if there is anyone > > > else who wishes to take on the project, please step > > > forward. I am quite impressed with the quality of > > > the DNA Studies which are appearing on the web... I > > > hope my skills as a retired lawyer are up to the task, > > > but would willingly defer to anyone more qualified. > > > Particularly, I would willingly defer to anyone who is > > > willing and able to take on the analysis and > > > presentation of results once the tests are performed > > > by the lab. See, for example, the Results page on Jim > > > Hull's website for some idea of what is required: > > > http://www.hullsurnamednastudy.com/testresults7aa.htm > > > > > > Here is my plan for getting the Study started: > > > 1) Addressees in the "To" line of the heading (with > > > the exception of Russell > > > Laird) have committed either their selves or a > > > representative Strong male of > > > their respective lineages to participate in the study. > > > So far, we have > > > thirteen committed participants. This is enough to > > > justify taking samples and > > > sending to the lab. We may well be able to negotiate > > > a lower price.... but > > > that remains to be seen. However, before proceeding, > > > I will be doing a > > > further general solicitation to see if we can gather > > > even more participants. > > > If there are others (including the "Copy To" > > > addressees) who upon further > > > reflection wish to join the study, please let me know. > > > > > > 2) Shortly, I will prepare a draft webpage for > > > posting on my website (see links given in the footer > > > to Patt Fulton's letter at the end of this entire > > > message) which will relate to the subject of the DNA > > > Study.... including some background, incorporating > > > info gleaned from other family DNA Studies such as the > > > Hull Family Study, and attempting to articulate some > > > of the goals of the DNA STUDY - re > > > Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong. I will > > > notify all when it is posted, for review and > > > discussion, if any. There will be at least two > > > related pages consisting of forms. One of the forms > > > will be designed to identify the actual male > > > participant, identify his lineage, and get a > > > written commitment to participate and bear the > > > expenses involved. The second form will be in the > > > nature of a release which will authorize disclosure of > > > the test results so they can be shared with other > > > members of the study group and with others who may be > > > interested... including publication on the web, etc. > > > > > > (Note the guidelines mentioned in Jim Hull's letter > > > below...). Note also, Family Tree DNA has a separate > > > release form of their own which will also need to be > > > completed. > > > > > > 3) At least one person has asked whether the DNA study > > > would " show only > > > hereditary (relationships) Will they also check for > > > disease inheritance, (cancers that are > > > chromosomal related, abnormalities of certain > > > chromosomes)? Specifically, > > > what tests will be done? ". The short answer is that > > > as far as I know, the > > > test will be ONLY for genetic relationships. No > > > other factors will be > > > examined.... and if one takes a look at the > > > available info on the web I > > > believe it will be clear that such testing would > > > require much additional lab > > > work, etc. See also the discussion in Jim Hull's > > > letter below. > > > > > > 4) I anticipate there will be other issues which will > > > arise as we proceed. > > > I appreciate any and all suggestions and welcome > > > anyone who wants to take an > > > active part in managing, coordinating, and/or > > > evaluating results of the > > > study. > > > > > > 5) Thanks to all for expressing interest. I will > > > keep monitoring the > > > message traffic and adding names, details, etc., to my > > > file on this. Will > > > report back relatively soon. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dave Strong > > > =================================================== > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > > ======================================================== > > > THE STRONG QUEST (including The Strong Mail List web site) > > > http://ro.com/~rts2/quest > > > http://members.tripod.com/~RTStrong/Quest/index.html > > > > > > Policies and procedures for the Strong Mail List. > > > Ancestor / Descendancy Charts of subscribers and visitors. > > > Repository for Strong data and documents. > > > Links to Strong websites, research tools, etc. > > > ========================================================== > > > A STRONG HERITAGE: The Strong-Gossage Ancestral Database > > > http://ro.com/~rts2/ancestry > > > http://members.tripod.com/~RTStrong/Ancestry > > > > > > Ancestors of Robert T. (Bob) Strong, Jr., and Velma > > > (Gossage) Strong. Earliest Strong ancestor: John > > > Strong, Sr., of St. Peter's Parish, VA, circa 1700. > > > Notes, containing sources, included. > > > ======================================================== > > > > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > ======================================================== > > THE STRONG ROOTS DATABASE: > > http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm > > > > Strong Ancestor Charts, in GEDCOM to HTML format. > > ========================================================== > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > STRONG FAMILY ASSOCIATON OF AMERICA (SFAA) web site: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4715 > > Strong(e)s of Somerset, Dorset, and Devon Counties, England, > including ancestors of "Elder" John Strong; queries about > descendants of "Elder" John Strong answered by the SFAA > Historian, Robert Sheldon ("Bob") Strong, from his extensive > electronic database. > ========================================================== > >

I am Pamela Strong Turner. My father was the late Carlos "Carl" W. Strong, son of the late Herbert Franklin "Frank" & Lula Green of Celina/Moss, TN. I have three brothers, Carlos, Jr., Alan & John. Could they be included in the Strong DNA Study? I would like to, but understand it only works with the males. I have two sons, would they be able to be included? My personal e-mail is homewardboundpst@bellsouth.net Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. E. Gilbert" <jegilbert@comcast.net> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [STRONG] DNA STUDY - Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong > David, > I would like to participate in DNA screening if the cost is not to great. > Jim > jegilbert@comcast.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell Laird" <rll.geo@yahoo.com> > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:25 PM > Subject: [STRONG] DNA STUDY - Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong > > > > The following is from David B. Strong > > <dbstrong@sos.net>: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David B. Strong > > Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 6:39 AM > > Subject: DNA STUDY - > > Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong > > > > > > Hi Russell... please post this message on the Strong > > List for me... > > =========================== > > To All who have expressed an interest in participating > > in the proposed DNA > > Study Project: > > > > First, thanks to Patt Fulton for providing us with the > > valuable input from Jim Hull, Coordinator of the Hull > > Family DNA Study (see bottom of this message). As I > > indicated in a prior message, much work has already > > been done in the sense that others have "paved the > > way", and we can benefit from their experiences and > > established procedures. > > > > Second, I very much want to participate in a DNA > > Study, as I hope it will provide some answers to many > > questions which have been the object of a lot of > > speculation and hypotheses over the years. > > Particularly, I am hoping for some clarification on my > > own personal family history search. For these > > reasons I am ready to try to put the DNA STUDY - re > > Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong together. > > However, I will hasten to say that if there is anyone > > else who wishes to take on the project, please step > > forward. I am quite impressed with the quality of > > the DNA Studies which are appearing on the web... I > > hope my skills as a retired lawyer are up to the task, > > but would willingly defer to anyone more qualified. > > Particularly, I would willingly defer to anyone who is > > willing and able to take on the analysis and > > presentation of results once the tests are performed > > by the lab. See, for example, the Results page on Jim > > Hull's website for some idea of what is required: > > http://www.hullsurnamednastudy.com/testresults7aa.htm > > > > Here is my plan for getting the Study started: > > 1) Addressees in the "To" line of the heading (with > > the exception of Russell > > Laird) have committed either their selves or a > > representative Strong male of > > their respective lineages to participate in the study. > > So far, we have > > thirteen committed participants. This is enough to > > justify taking samples and > > sending to the lab. We may well be able to negotiate > > a lower price.... but > > that remains to be seen. However, before proceeding, > > I will be doing a > > further general solicitation to see if we can gather > > even more participants. > > If there are others (including the "Copy To" > > addressees) who upon further > > reflection wish to join the study, please let me know. > > > > 2) Shortly, I will prepare a draft webpage for > > posting on my website (see links given in the footer > > to Patt Fulton's letter at the end of this entire > > message) which will relate to the subject of the DNA > > Study.... including some background, incorporating > > info gleaned from other family DNA Studies such as the > > Hull Family Study, and attempting to articulate some > > of the goals of the DNA STUDY - re > > Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong. I will > > notify all when it is posted, for review and > > discussion, if any. There will be at least two > > related pages consisting of forms. One of the forms > > will be designed to identify the actual male > > participant, identify his lineage, and get a > > written commitment to participate and bear the > > expenses involved. The second form will be in the > > nature of a release which will authorize disclosure of > > the test results so they can be shared with other > > members of the study group and with others who may be > > interested... including publication on the web, etc. > > > > (Note the guidelines mentioned in Jim Hull's letter > > below...). Note also, Family Tree DNA has a separate > > release form of their own which will also need to be > > completed. > > > > 3) At least one person has asked whether the DNA study > > would " show only > > hereditary (relationships) Will they also check for > > disease inheritance, (cancers that are > > chromosomal related, abnormalities of certain > > chromosomes)? Specifically, > > what tests will be done? ". The short answer is that > > as far as I know, the > > test will be ONLY for genetic relationships. No > > other factors will be > > examined.... and if one takes a look at the > > available info on the web I > > believe it will be clear that such testing would > > require much additional lab > > work, etc. See also the discussion in Jim Hull's > > letter below. > > > > 4) I anticipate there will be other issues which will > > arise as we proceed. > > I appreciate any and all suggestions and welcome > > anyone who wants to take an > > active part in managing, coordinating, and/or > > evaluating results of the > > study. > > > > 5) Thanks to all for expressing interest. I will > > keep monitoring the > > message traffic and adding names, details, etc., to my > > file on this. Will > > report back relatively soon. > > > > Regards, > > Dave Strong > > =================================================== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > ======================================================== > > THE STRONG QUEST (including The Strong Mail List web site) > > http://ro.com/~rts2/quest > > http://members.tripod.com/~RTStrong/Quest/index.html > > > > Policies and procedures for the Strong Mail List. > > Ancestor / Descendancy Charts of subscribers and visitors. > > Repository for Strong data and documents. > > Links to Strong websites, research tools, etc. > > ========================================================== > > A STRONG HERITAGE: The Strong-Gossage Ancestral Database > > http://ro.com/~rts2/ancestry > > http://members.tripod.com/~RTStrong/Ancestry > > > > Ancestors of Robert T. (Bob) Strong, Jr., and Velma > > (Gossage) Strong. Earliest Strong ancestor: John > > Strong, Sr., of St. Peter's Parish, VA, circa 1700. > > Notes, containing sources, included. > > ======================================================== > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > THE STRONG ROOTS DATABASE: > http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm > > Strong Ancestor Charts, in GEDCOM to HTML format. > ========================================================== >

David, I would like to participate in DNA screening if the cost is not to great. Jim jegilbert@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Laird" <rll.geo@yahoo.com> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: [STRONG] DNA STUDY - Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong > The following is from David B. Strong > <dbstrong@sos.net>: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David B. Strong > Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 6:39 AM > Subject: DNA STUDY - > Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong > > > Hi Russell... please post this message on the Strong > List for me... > =========================== > To All who have expressed an interest in participating > in the proposed DNA > Study Project: > > First, thanks to Patt Fulton for providing us with the > valuable input from Jim Hull, Coordinator of the Hull > Family DNA Study (see bottom of this message). As I > indicated in a prior message, much work has already > been done in the sense that others have "paved the > way", and we can benefit from their experiences and > established procedures. > > Second, I very much want to participate in a DNA > Study, as I hope it will provide some answers to many > questions which have been the object of a lot of > speculation and hypotheses over the years. > Particularly, I am hoping for some clarification on my > own personal family history search. For these > reasons I am ready to try to put the DNA STUDY - re > Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong together. > However, I will hasten to say that if there is anyone > else who wishes to take on the project, please step > forward. I am quite impressed with the quality of > the DNA Studies which are appearing on the web... I > hope my skills as a retired lawyer are up to the task, > but would willingly defer to anyone more qualified. > Particularly, I would willingly defer to anyone who is > willing and able to take on the analysis and > presentation of results once the tests are performed > by the lab. See, for example, the Results page on Jim > Hull's website for some idea of what is required: > http://www.hullsurnamednastudy.com/testresults7aa.htm > > Here is my plan for getting the Study started: > 1) Addressees in the "To" line of the heading (with > the exception of Russell > Laird) have committed either their selves or a > representative Strong male of > their respective lineages to participate in the study. > So far, we have > thirteen committed participants. This is enough to > justify taking samples and > sending to the lab. We may well be able to negotiate > a lower price.... but > that remains to be seen. However, before proceeding, > I will be doing a > further general solicitation to see if we can gather > even more participants. > If there are others (including the "Copy To" > addressees) who upon further > reflection wish to join the study, please let me know. > > 2) Shortly, I will prepare a draft webpage for > posting on my website (see links given in the footer > to Patt Fulton's letter at the end of this entire > message) which will relate to the subject of the DNA > Study.... including some background, incorporating > info gleaned from other family DNA Studies such as the > Hull Family Study, and attempting to articulate some > of the goals of the DNA STUDY - re > Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong. I will > notify all when it is posted, for review and > discussion, if any. There will be at least two > related pages consisting of forms. One of the forms > will be designed to identify the actual male > participant, identify his lineage, and get a > written commitment to participate and bear the > expenses involved. The second form will be in the > nature of a release which will authorize disclosure of > the test results so they can be shared with other > members of the study group and with others who may be > interested... including publication on the web, etc. > > (Note the guidelines mentioned in Jim Hull's letter > below...). Note also, Family Tree DNA has a separate > release form of their own which will also need to be > completed. > > 3) At least one person has asked whether the DNA study > would " show only > hereditary (relationships) Will they also check for > disease inheritance, (cancers that are > chromosomal related, abnormalities of certain > chromosomes)? Specifically, > what tests will be done? ". The short answer is that > as far as I know, the > test will be ONLY for genetic relationships. No > other factors will be > examined.... and if one takes a look at the > available info on the web I > believe it will be clear that such testing would > require much additional lab > work, etc. See also the discussion in Jim Hull's > letter below. > > 4) I anticipate there will be other issues which will > arise as we proceed. > I appreciate any and all suggestions and welcome > anyone who wants to take an > active part in managing, coordinating, and/or > evaluating results of the > study. > > 5) Thanks to all for expressing interest. I will > keep monitoring the > message traffic and adding names, details, etc., to my > file on this. Will > report back relatively soon. > > Regards, > Dave Strong > =================================================== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > THE STRONG QUEST (including The Strong Mail List web site) > http://ro.com/~rts2/quest > http://members.tripod.com/~RTStrong/Quest/index.html > > Policies and procedures for the Strong Mail List. > Ancestor / Descendancy Charts of subscribers and visitors. > Repository for Strong data and documents. > Links to Strong websites, research tools, etc. > ========================================================== > A STRONG HERITAGE: The Strong-Gossage Ancestral Database > http://ro.com/~rts2/ancestry > http://members.tripod.com/~RTStrong/Ancestry > > Ancestors of Robert T. (Bob) Strong, Jr., and Velma > (Gossage) Strong. Earliest Strong ancestor: John > Strong, Sr., of St. Peter's Parish, VA, circa 1700. > Notes, containing sources, included. > ======================================================== >

Greetings! I am David Hughes Strong, Louisville, KY, descendant of Elder John Strong through the line of his son Samuel. Elder John's great-great-grandson was Captain John Strong (of Albany, NY) who fought in the Revolution, and through his lineage I am getting my ducks in a row to join the SAR. Glad to be here. Dave Strong

I am willing and able to take on the analysis and presentation of results once the tests are performed by the lab. I am Professor Emeritus of Molecular and Cellular Biochemistry at The Ohio State University in Columbus. I am descended from Abigail Strong, dtr of Deacon Ezra Strong III (Ezra Jr., Ezra, Jedediah Jr., Jedediah, John "Elder"). I hope that a descendant(s) of her brothers will participate. Lloyd A. Horrocks, Ph.D. At 05:25 PM 10/28/2002 -0800, you wrote: >The following is from David B. Strong ><dbstrong@sos.net>: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David B. Strong >Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 6:39 AM >Subject: DNA STUDY - >Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong > > >Hi Russell... please post this message on the Strong >List for me... >=========================== >To All who have expressed an interest in participating >in the proposed DNA >Study Project: > >First, thanks to Patt Fulton for providing us with the >valuable input from Jim Hull, Coordinator of the Hull >Family DNA Study (see bottom of this message). As I >indicated in a prior message, much work has already >been done in the sense that others have "paved the >way", and we can benefit from their experiences and >established procedures. > >Second, I very much want to participate in a DNA >Study, as I hope it will provide some answers to many >questions which have been the object of a lot of >speculation and hypotheses over the years. >Particularly, I am hoping for some clarification on my >own personal family history search. For these >reasons I am ready to try to put the DNA STUDY - re >Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong together. >However, I will hasten to say that if there is anyone >else who wishes to take on the project, please step >forward. I am quite impressed with the quality of >the DNA Studies which are appearing on the web... I >hope my skills as a retired lawyer are up to the task, >but would willingly defer to anyone more qualified. >Particularly, I would willingly defer to anyone who is >willing and able to take on the analysis and >presentation of results once the tests are performed >by the lab. See, for example, the Results page on Jim >Hull's website for some idea of what is required: >http://www.hullsurnamednastudy.com/testresults7aa.htm > > >Regards, >Dave Strong >===================================================

The following is from David B. Strong <dbstrong@sos.net>: ----- Original Message ----- From: David B. Strong Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 6:39 AM Subject: DNA STUDY - Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong Hi Russell... please post this message on the Strong List for me... =========================== To All who have expressed an interest in participating in the proposed DNA Study Project: First, thanks to Patt Fulton for providing us with the valuable input from Jim Hull, Coordinator of the Hull Family DNA Study (see bottom of this message). As I indicated in a prior message, much work has already been done in the sense that others have "paved the way", and we can benefit from their experiences and established procedures. Second, I very much want to participate in a DNA Study, as I hope it will provide some answers to many questions which have been the object of a lot of speculation and hypotheses over the years. Particularly, I am hoping for some clarification on my own personal family history search. For these reasons I am ready to try to put the DNA STUDY - re Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong together. However, I will hasten to say that if there is anyone else who wishes to take on the project, please step forward. I am quite impressed with the quality of the DNA Studies which are appearing on the web... I hope my skills as a retired lawyer are up to the task, but would willingly defer to anyone more qualified. Particularly, I would willingly defer to anyone who is willing and able to take on the analysis and presentation of results once the tests are performed by the lab. See, for example, the Results page on Jim Hull's website for some idea of what is required: http://www.hullsurnamednastudy.com/testresults7aa.htm Here is my plan for getting the Study started: 1) Addressees in the "To" line of the heading (with the exception of Russell Laird) have committed either their selves or a representative Strong male of their respective lineages to participate in the study. So far, we have thirteen committed participants. This is enough to justify taking samples and sending to the lab. We may well be able to negotiate a lower price.... but that remains to be seen. However, before proceeding, I will be doing a further general solicitation to see if we can gather even more participants. If there are others (including the "Copy To" addressees) who upon further reflection wish to join the study, please let me know. 2) Shortly, I will prepare a draft webpage for posting on my website (see links given in the footer to Patt Fulton's letter at the end of this entire message) which will relate to the subject of the DNA Study.... including some background, incorporating info gleaned from other family DNA Studies such as the Hull Family Study, and attempting to articulate some of the goals of the DNA STUDY - re Lestrange/Strange/Strang/Stronge/Strong. I will notify all when it is posted, for review and discussion, if any. There will be at least two related pages consisting of forms. One of the forms will be designed to identify the actual male participant, identify his lineage, and get a written commitment to participate and bear the expenses involved. The second form will be in the nature of a release which will authorize disclosure of the test results so they can be shared with other members of the study group and with others who may be interested... including publication on the web, etc. (Note the guidelines mentioned in Jim Hull's letter below...). Note also, Family Tree DNA has a separate release form of their own which will also need to be completed. 3) At least one person has asked whether the DNA study would " show only hereditary (relationships) Will they also check for disease inheritance, (cancers that are chromosomal related, abnormalities of certain chromosomes)? Specifically, what tests will be done? ". The short answer is that as far as I know, the test will be ONLY for genetic relationships. No other factors will be examined.... and if one takes a look at the available info on the web I believe it will be clear that such testing would require much additional lab work, etc. See also the discussion in Jim Hull's letter below. 4) I anticipate there will be other issues which will arise as we proceed. I appreciate any and all suggestions and welcome anyone who wants to take an active part in managing, coordinating, and/or evaluating results of the study. 5) Thanks to all for expressing interest. I will keep monitoring the message traffic and adding names, details, etc., to my file on this. Will report back relatively soon. Regards, Dave Strong =================================================== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

We are interested in the Strong DNA study, but would need to find a cousin who would be willing to share the results, because my husband is descended from a female. This would possibly be an opportunity for fee-sharing? So, according to the information below, we would need to find a male 1st or 1st once, twice, three times, etc. removed of my husband's grandmother, Ann Eliza Strong (b. 12-36-1848, d. 10-14-1930) married (01-04-1877) Perry Garner Ely (b. 08-04-1850, d. 09-04-1930). Ann & Perry were both born in Chautauqua County, New York, and died in Pomona, Los Angeles County, California. I have more information on the family if anyone is interested in helping us pursue this. Ann Eliza Strong (12-26-1848 - 10-15-1930) is daughter of David, (04-09-1801 - 10-08-1874) son of Gilbert (03-02-1770 - 06-12-1861), son of John (12-08-1743 - , son of Ezra (1702-1785), son of Jedediah, Jr. (1667-1709), son of Jedediah, Sr. (1637-1733), son of John (1605-1699) I have never corresponded with anyone in the Strong family about the genealogy of this family and am brand new to the history of this family. I would be happy to hear from anyone concerning this information as well! Donna Crumb (Mrs. Gene) Kent, WA Below are excerpts which apply to our case ... ----- Original Message ----- From: <PattFulton@aol.com> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: [STRONG] Re: Explanation of DNA procedure and FAQs A. Your male cousins probably have the same Y-DNA as your father and his male ancestors with the surname HULL. Testing your cousins is the same as testing your late father if they are the natural children of your HULL ancestors. That is because the Y chromosome passes unchanged from father to son apart from random mutations. So if your father and your cousins have any known common ancestor, even back to your 4th great grandfather or beyond, the DNA sample should be the same as testing your father, give or take a mutation or two. Q11. My line split off from the HULL family two hundred years ago. My 4th-great grandmother was a HULL. I do research on my HULL ancestors but have no close HULL relatives. A. If you know or can find male surname descendents of your 4th great grandfather HULL, you can in effect "test" him by testing his descendents. That is because the Y-DNA is passed on without change from father to son. If you test a couple of your HULL cousins and they match, you can say with high confidence that their Y-DNA is very close to the Y-DNA of your 4th great grandfather. Then you can compare his sample to other samples in the study and possibly learn much new information about his line for your research. Q15. My male HULL cousins don't care a thing about family history. They won't pay for this. A. There is no rule that says the person ordering and paying for the test must be the person being tested. If your cousins will consent to doing this simple, painless test, you can complete the paper work and have them sign two forms. The sampler kit will be sent to them and the invoice sent to you. Some of the other family reconstruction projects have multiple researchers in the same family line that have split the cost of testing male cousins who have no interest in family genealogy.

I would also be very interested. Janet Strong Graves John G., Bertie V., Albert Edward, Valentine, Samuel B.-All NJ, Samuel moved to Hillsdale, MI (before 1830)

Dear Strongs: I invited Jim Hull, Hull Surname DNA Coordinator to explain the DNA process as the Hull Family Asso. is doing it. I'm Jim Hull, Hull Surname DNA Coordinator, and Patt Fulton forwarded your e-mail, I'll try to answer your questions. I have just begun to mail the letter below for Phase 3, and I thought maybe if you read it, hopefully it will answer your concerns. To answer your immediate question first, the DNA test for family genealogy does not have any genetic function, and so the test will NOT reveal any physical characteristics or innate tendencies. It will, however, reveal whether the test participants are related to each other. That's it! I believe most DNA Coordinators are probably administering their projects quite similar to the Hull Study. So, I believe it is safe to say that the same rules and procedures apply with very little variations. The letter that I'm sending out this week is below. If you have any questions or concerns please email anytime. Best regards, Jim Hull Hull Surname DNA Study James Reynolds Hull http://www.hullsurnamednastudy.com azjrh@msn.com Dear [Hull Descendant], It has been some time since I may have spoken with you personally, communicated in the written word, or mailed you the application materials. I am making one last attempt to encourage you to become a volunteer for the Hull DNA Study. What I have heard from a few since the beginning of the Hull Study have probably been excuses and rationalizations rather than reasons. I suspect that many would be more inclined or motivated to participate if they thought they might discover or validate something that would be helpful to them. In general, this Study is helping to clarify a few questions: 1. How many different common male ancestors are associated with the Hull surname? 2. How are your Hull ancestors related to other families with the Hull surname? 3. How are the different Hull family lines related? 4. Are all Hulls from an ancestral country related, or are there many different families with the name Hull? 5. Can a connection between the Hulls from Ireland and the Hulls from Scotland be made? 6. Which Hull researchers should be collaborating because they share a common ancestor? Many individuals have questions about the Study. Some of their questions may be what you have been thinking about, also. Q1. What is this DNA test all about? A. Currently, two types of DNA tests are available for genealogical testing: the Y-chromosome (Y-DNA) test and the mitochondrial (mtDNA) test. A direct female line can be traced by testing mitochondrial DNA. However, since we are presently interested in tracing surnames, which are passed from father to son, the testing of the Y-chromosome DNA is our interest. Q2. Will a DNA test tell me who my ancestors are? What will the test tell me? A. No, a DNA test will NOT tell you who your ancestors are. The test will tell if two or more participants share a common ancestor, and give you a probability of the number of generations to the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA). Q3. Why analyze the Y chromosome? A. The Y chromosome is the only chromosome passed unchanged from father to son, and therefore indicates the paternal line of descent. All males in a patriarchal line have the same Y chromosome. The Y chromosome is not present in females. Q4. What is analyzed? A. Geneticists look at specific parts of the Y chromosome to obtain a "signature". Two or more males whose Y chromosome signatures match come from the same paternal line of descent. Those whose signatures do not match are from different lines. Q5. Exactly what does a Y chromosome match demonstrate? A. A Y chromosome match shows that two males have a common male ancestor. This ancestor could be their father, or it could be a male from a thousand years ago. Q6. Does a Y chromosome match prove this relationship? A. Although no evidence is ever absolutely certain, the confidence level for such a match is very high. Typically, there is less than one chance in a million or more that the demonstrated relationship is in error. Q7. What is the advantage of the 25-marker test over the 12-marker test? A. More markers reduce the number of generations to the MRCA. If you match someone on 12 out of 12 markers you almost certainly share a common ancestor. The question becomes "how far back do you have to go before you find that common ancestor?" If all 12 markers match there is a 50% probability that MRCA is 14 generations or less, a 90% probability that the MRCA is 48 generations or less, and a 95% probability that the MRCA is 62 generations or less. For 12 identical markers, 95% of the possible MRCA values fall between 1 and 77 generations. If all 25 markers match there is a 50% probability that the MRCA is 7 generations or less, a 90% probability that the MRCA is 20 generations or less, and a 95% probability that the MRCA is 30 generations or less. For 25 identical markers, 95% of the possible the MRCA values fall between 1 and 44 generations. Q8. Do Y chromosome analysis sometimes match, but not at every point? A. Yes. Over a period of many years, a small number of mutations can be counted on to appear, so there may be one or more points where the Y chromosome analysis does not match exactly. Q9. If no Y chromosome match is found, what does that show? A. It demonstrates to a very high degree of probability that the two males analyzed do not share a male ancestor. Although this is true for the two individuals tested, it may not be true for the family groups of the individuals who were tested, because there are a number of sources of "non-paternal events". Q10. My maiden name is HULL and I would love to have this information, but I am female and have no brothers and my father has passed on now. There are no living males with the surname HULL in my family, only male cousins named HULL, some quite distantly related. A. Your male cousins probably have the same Y-DNA as your father and his male ancestors with the surname HULL. Testing your cousins is the same as testing your late father if they are the natural children of your HULL ancestors. That is because the Y chromosome passes unchanged from father to son apart from random mutations. So if your father and your cousins have any known common ancestor, even back to your 4th great grandfather or beyond, the DNA sample should be the same as testing your father, give or take a mutation or two. Q11. My line split off from the HULL family two hundred years ago. My 4th-great grandmother was a HULL. I do research on my HULL ancestors but have no close HULL relatives. A. If you know or can find male surname descendents of your 4th great grandfather HULL, you can in effect "test" him by testing his descendents. That is because the Y-DNA is passed on without change from father to son. If you test a couple of your HULL cousins and they match, you can say with high confidence that their Y-DNA is very close to the Y-DNA of your 4th great grandfather. Then you can compare his sample to other samples in the study and possibly learn much new information about his line for your research. Q12. Why are you excluding women? We are the children of our HULL ancestors as much as the men. A. We cannot test females for the Y chromosome because they do not have one, only males. The technology does not exist to trace HULL surname ancestors through their female descendents, at least not yet. The reason requires going into a bit too much explanation of basic genetics, but essentially we get a blend of genes from our fathers and mothers for everything except the Y chromosome, which passes mostly unchanged from father to son. Most other genes combine, thus making every individual unique with a unique genetic signature. But that does not mean that daughters are not just as related to their fathers as sons. In fact everyone has genes from all their ancestors, half from each parent, a quarter from each grandparent, an eighth from each great grandparent and so forth back forever. Every gene in our DNA existed in some ancestor 10,000 years ago apart from a few mutations possibly. By using Y-DNA analysis women can learn much valuable information about their HULL ancestors, the same as male descendents. There are tests of mtDNA that trace female lineages, but they are not useful for single surname studies. Q13. There is only one living male person surname HULL in my family. What is the point of joining the study if I don't have two or three family members who are HULL surname males? A. There is potential value for you to join the study. The reason for testing two or three distantly related cousins is that this "validates" the family at least back to the known common ancestor. A single test could provide incorrect data for the families if there is an unknown adoption or a false paternity somewhere back in the past. If you alone take the test and it matches others in the study, you will have learned that your branch of the HULL family is related to theirs, with little doubt. If it does not match and you cannot find any cousin to test to validate the result, at least your sample will be available in the database until sometime in the future comes along and a match is secured. Q14. HULLS adopted me as a child. Is there any benefit to do a DNA test? A. That depends on whether you are trying to trace your "biological" family or your HULL family. If you were trying to trace your "biological" family you would have your own DNA sample tested. If you already know the surname of your "biological" family, it would probably be best to try to find a DNA project for that surname since your results would more likely match someone in that group than the HULL group. If you were interested in tracing your HULL family roots you would need a DNA sample from your HULL father or another male HULL family member. Q15. My male HULL cousins don't care a thing about family history. They won't pay for this. A. There is no rule that says the person ordering and paying for the test must be the person being tested. If your cousins will consent to doing this simple, painless test, you can complete the paper work and have them sign two forms. The sampler kit will be sent to them and the invoice sent to you. Some of the other family reconstruction projects have multiple researchers in the same family line that have split the cost of testing male cousins who have no interest in family genealogy. Q16. I already know my HULL family comes from somewhere in Ireland. What are we going to learn from doing this that is new? A. First of all, you may discover many HULL families that are your cousins that you did not know about before. They may have new information and family histories that will be useful to you, and you will know they are your relatives with little or no doubt. A couple of families named HULL side by side in the census could be brothers, or could be coincidence. But DNA is proof! Second, as the Study expands over time, you may discover the exact village where your ancestors came from in Ireland, possibly even church records that take you back hundreds of years. You may also discover that you share the same markers with HULLS who come from Scotland. There are people who believe that the HULLS who came from Ireland originated in Scotland but for many who have traced their lineages back to Ireland they are not able to make a Scotland connection. DNA testing might make this connection. Q17. All it takes is one break a long time ago and you won't be able to match up a whole line of HULLS. You will never be able to put all the HULLS together. A. That is very likely true, but the purpose of this is to help different HULL family's link up to further their genealogical research. Even if long ago a Mr. HULL adopted a boy whose natural father was Mr. Johnson, all his male descendents will still be with a common ancestor, which may prove useful. Also, if someday a Johnson has a test done, we may find that match as well! Q18. How is the DNA sample obtained? A. DNA can be obtained from any cell, but one of the easiest samples is obtained by swabbing the inside of the cheek with a specially designed brush, similar to a toothbrush. Q19. How do I participate? A. Basically each participant fills out an Application Form, Liability/Waiver Form and a Pedigree Chart, which will be sent to the Study Coordinator. After receiving the paperwork, the Study Coordinator will notify FTDNA [laboratory] to mail you a DNA sampler kit. The participant will take his own DNA sample and return it to the laboratory along with a check payable to the lab [unless other arrangements have been made]. After the results are received, the Study Coordinator will interpret the results and notify you of the results and with the interpretation. Q20. How will my DNA information be used? A. This poses a delicate balance between making the information available to others while protecting the privacy of the participants. DNA test results are of little use by themselves. Their value is how they compare to other test results and whom they match. Most other surname DNA projects display test results on a website as shown below [I didn't include the results, too lengthy, pmf] Q21. How will my DNA information be protected? A. Only the participant providing a DNA sample and the Family Coordinator will know what your results are unless you decide you would like to share that information (see next question). All samples and identifying information are given the unique number created by you. This ID number will be the only identifying information anyone else sees, so no one other than the Study Coordinator will know who participates in the study or which result is from which person. The portion of the DNA tested gives a distinctive "signature" for a lineage rather than for an individual, so there is no risk of this data being of any use to anyone for personal identity. Q22. I noticed my DNA markers match those of several other participants. Is there anyway I can contact them? A. If you choose not to identify yourself, you can contact the Family Coordinator who will forward your request on to a participant. Q23. Couldn't it be embarrassing if an individual's Y chromosome does not match when it should? A. Yes, and for this reason your results will never be revealed except by a code. Your name will not be published or released unless you give your permission to do so. Q24. My test results do not match any others, does that mean I'm not a HULL? A. There is always a possibility that you could get disappointing test results. Samples that vary by three or more markers from the main group may do so for a number of reasons. One possibility is that they represent distinct lines either older or younger than the currently observed most frequent line. Another is that there has been a "non-paternal event" at an unknown past time. There are several possible types of non-paternal events in addition to a pregnancy gained outside of a marriage. For example, a child may be adopted and given the HULL name; a man may take the HULL name when he marries a HULL daughter; a HULL man may marry a pregnant woman whose husband has died; a couple where the wife is the HULL may choose to give their children the HULL name for various reasons; clerical error in recording administrative data may assign a HULL name to the wrong person, and so on. It should be stressed that adoptions were quite common in every age (i.e., parents died by disease or war and a relative took in the children and raised them with their name; or young daughters had a child out of wedlock and the parents raised it as their own). Some may not want to see a result indicating a non-paternity event but we are all legal HULLS and a small sample size could be misleading. One may get a DNA sequence, which suggests a non-paternity event, but they could be of the original blood HULL line. Let me explain. Twenty people are tested and 19 are very similar but the last is clearly different. It could turn out that the 19 descend from the same person 300 years ago and this person was an adopted HULL while the other is of the original blood line going back 800 years.

Fascinating letter! I would be very interested in participating in such a project. I think I would prefer the 25 marker test. Hopefully, if enough participated I might be able to determine which of the Strong brothers of the 1820 census for Smith Co., TN is my probable ancestor. But, maybe not since this ancestor is only 5 generations removed. If the test will only show a 50% probability I am descended from William (5th great grandfather), son of John of New Kent County, Virginia, then that won't be much help in identifying the Smith Co., TN missing link (3rd great grandfather). Still, since I'm the only surviving male of my line (going back at least to my grandfather, maybe even to my great grandfather), it seems desirable to ascertain and preserve my DNA profile for the benefit of others. Count me in. Robert Strong Scottsdale, AZ