Hi all, hunting for my English side of the family but these brick walls are a menace to climb without a few stepping stones. Robert STRONG born some where in England approx 1792 - 1849 - married some where in England Margaret FISHER born 1792 Norwich Norfolk (1851 census) - mysteriously disappeared. They had seven children - five survived John William 1816 - 1824 Robert Arthur born 1817 Bermondsey -christened 1819 St Magdalene Rotherhithe - married 1845 Sarah Ann Charlotte SELF born 1820 Soho London - shifted to NZ 1856 and had nine children Rosina born 1819 Bermondsey - christened 1819 St Magdalene Rotherhithe - mysteriously disappeared Charles born1823 Rotherhithe - married 1845 Mary Ann ROSS born 1819 Chatham England - shifted to NZ 1856 - had one daughter Mary Ann. George born 1825 Rotherhithe - married 1848 in NZ Margaret McMullen born 1827 Ireland - they had eight children, seven survived. Sarah born 1830 Rotherhithe - married 1853 George LEWIS - shifted to NZ 1865 - they had eight children Susannah born 1833 Rotherithe - 1849 Rotherhithe In the census 1841 - 1851 there are other STRONG's in and around the same area as my family lived (Silver Street. The ages seem to match that they could be the brothers of Robert, all seem to be in the same trade as well but I can't find a connection as who their parents could be. Of the families that shifted to NZ between 1848-1865 I have about 98% of the descendants If any one has these particular names within their family tree - I would love to hear from you. Pam...............NZ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~shamere/index.html Strong, Fraser, McMullen, Betteridge, BDM, Fencibles, Shipping, WW1 Soldiers.

David, Do you Microsoft Access 97 or 2000? I am going to forward a copy of the data I have input into the DNA database so far. According to the HG1-3 info you sent earlier, none of the Strongs fit into any of those categories. Any clue what is going on? Rick

Hi Brenda and Pam.... The details are all on the DNA Study page, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm#members Price depends on whether you select a 12 marker or a 25 marker test. The 12 - marker test is US$99.00, and the 25 - marker test is US$169.00. Details on how to join the study are also at the above website. Whether to choose the 12 or the 25 marker test is a value judgement. Budgetary constraints may point toward the 12 marker test... and I know that the New Zealand currency probably measures up unfavorably against the US dollar at the moment. However, the 25 marker test does seem to have advantages. For one thing, it is cheaper over-all to go for it up front rather than to subsequently decide to upgrade. An upgrade costs about $15-20 more than if you just got the 25 marker test in the first place.... eg., total is about $189... Maybe a group of you can go together and jointly share the cost, thus bringing the individual "bite" into a manageable range! I just received the following info from Family Tree DNA which, although more detail than you want, may be of interest re this. FTDNA concludes that the 25 marker test is more useful and cost effective in the long run. Note, (we are dealing with statistical probabilities here) if we can get a 25/25 match out of the 25 marker test, FTDNA is saying there is a 50/50 (or "median") chance that we have a common ancestor within 7 generations or 140 years (assuming a 20 year average per generation). For myself, I can trace my Strong ancestry back to my gggrandfather, circa 1775-1839. That means I am the 5th of the 7 generations in the example... and my birth year minus his birth year 1940-1775=165 years; 165 / 5 = 33 years per generation. Obviously there are some differences between reality and the assumptions. However, the statistical prediction indicates that if your male Strong relative and I match 25/25, it is likely that just two more generations back, we have a 50/50 likelihood of sharing a common ancestor. That would considerably narrow the research possibilities for both of us and we could concentrate our efforts on finding the records pointing to a common ancestor given the possible coincidence and sharing of our research findings. And, we could rule out a whole world of other possibilites, thus saving ourselves a lot of wasted effort! Further, the more of us that get tested, the more likely it is that we will find someone with a 25/25 match! {:-) (See FTDNA article cut and pasted in below) Regards Dave Strong ... DNA Study Coordinator & webmaster: Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13, entitled "Lineages"; and Chapt. 15, "DNA Study" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm & Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and related families. ============================================================== "Understanding your results: Are we related? =========================================== (Copyright 2002, Family Tree DNA): "Facts & Genes" (http://www.familytreeDNA.com/facts_genes.asp) : "If we start with the fact that all people are related, the issue becomes when did the common ancestor for the two people occur. Regarding our genealogy research, are we really interested in investing time in a link with someone where they are related within 10,000 years? Probably not. "DNA testing is not a substitute for genealogy research. Instead, it is a companion tool to prove or disprove research, determine relationships, and to provide clues for further research. DNA testing can be an extremely powerful tool when combined with your genealogy research. You can uncover information that was not previously known, as well as confirm your research, and get leads for further research. "When analyzing results from the 12 Marker and 25 Marker Y Chromosome DNA test, it is important to factor the time frame of the common ancestor into your analysis. For our purposes here, we will assume a generation is 20 years. The time frame of the common ancestor tells you if the common ancestor lived within the time frame of paper records. Let's consider the example below for Surname Project ABC. The column labeled "# matches" shows the number of matches. The "median" and "95%" columns show the number of generations at the median, and at 95% confidence. The "Years" column gives the year time frame of the common ancestor using 20 years per generation. The first column under "Years" is for the Median, the second years column is at 95% confidence. # matches Median 95% Years ======= ====== === ========== 12/12 14 77 280 1540 25/25 7 37 140 740 11/12 37 122 740 2440 24/25 17 57 340 1140 10/12 61 166 1220 3320 23/25 28 76 560 1520 "In our hypothetical Surname Project shown above, we have a variety of matches. The example uses 20 years per generation. If a higher number of years per generation is used, such as 25 or 30 years per generation, then the number of years for the common ancestor increases dramatically. Therefore, at 20 years per generation, we have shown the lowest number of years to the common ancestor. "It is clear in the chart above how a mutation effects the time frame, and that the 25 Marker test reduces the time frame of the common ancestor significantly. This is illustrated by comparing a 12/12 match to a 25/25 match. For a 12/12 match, the median, or most likely, time frame is within 280 years, and for 25/25 is within about 140 years. The 95% confidence level has a wide spread for years, with 1540 years for 12/12 and 740 years for 25/25. "In reviewing the chart above, it is evident that the 25 Marker test is the optimal choice for most Surname Projects. The 12 Marker test can be used to rule out matches where genealogy research is weak, or where there are budget constraints. Where the budget will support a 25 Marker test, and for common Haplotypes, the 25 Marker test is recommended. [For a discussion of common Haplotypes, see previous issues of the newsletter.] "Rule Out" means that a 12 Marker test is being used because the expected result is that they do not match, and a 12 Marker test is cost effective for this purpose. Where a 10/12 or better match is achieved, it is recommended to upgrade to 25 Markers. The chart above shows that if a 10/12 match is upgraded to 25 Markers, and the match still has 2 mutations, the result is 23/25, with a much shorter time frame to the common ancestor. "Many Surname Projects only consider 23/25 matches and better as related, due to the issue of the time frame of the common ancestor. As the time frame increases, there is little hope of finding documentation to support a relationship. Consider a 10/12 match, where the ancestor is within 3360 years at 95% confidence - an upgrade to 25 Markers may prevent spending time pursuing a match that a 25 Marker upgrade shows is a 21/25 match. "It is often disappointing when we don't match another person where it is expected. Even a no match can add value to our genealogy research. We may decide to review the research, or to question conclusions, or to do more research in a local, or focus research on a specific ancestor. A 11/12 or less match is often tempting to pursue, in the hope of being related. A small investment in a 25 Marker upgrade may save a lot of valuable time, and identify those relationships worth pursuing with genealogy research." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda & Tony MacCulloch" <ajmac@internet.co.nz> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [STRONG] STRONG Robert - England > Hi Dave, > I am related to Pam, there are several males in NZ and my mothers brother > Trevor STRONG would probably be interested, I can't recall the details of > cost. > > Cheers, > > Brenda MacCulloch > ajmac@internet.co.nz > > > From: "David B. Strong" <dbstrong@sos.net> > > Reply-To: STRONG-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:27:02 -0800 > > To: STRONG-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STRONG] STRONG Robert - England > > Resent-From: STRONG-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:30:56 -0700 > > > > Hi Pam... > > In all the New Zealand descendants, is there a male Strong who could join > > the DNA Study???? It might help provide some clues! > > Regards > > Dave Strong ... > > DNA Study Coordinator & webmaster: > > Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) > > IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm > > Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13, > > entitled "Lineages"; and Chapt. 15, "DNA Study" > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm > > & > > Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm > > Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and > > related families. > > ============================================================== > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Witches Brew" <ppakes@ihug.co.nz> > > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:58 AM > > Subject: [STRONG] STRONG Robert - England > > > > > >> Hi all, hunting for my English side of the family but these brick walls > > are > >> a menace to climb without a few stepping stones. > >> > >> Robert STRONG born some where in England approx 1792 - 1849 - married > > some > >> where in England > >> Margaret FISHER born 1792 Norwich Norfolk (1851 census) - mysteriously > >> disappeared. > >> > >> They had seven children - five survived > >> > >> John William 1816 - 1824 > >> > >> Robert Arthur born 1817 Bermondsey -christened 1819 St Magdalene > > Rotherhithe > >> - married 1845 Sarah Ann Charlotte SELF born 1820 Soho London - shifted to > >> NZ 1856 and had nine children > >> > >> Rosina born 1819 Bermondsey - christened 1819 St Magdalene Rotherhithe - > >> mysteriously disappeared > >> > >> Charles born1823 Rotherhithe - married 1845 Mary Ann ROSS born 1819 > > Chatham > >> England - shifted to NZ 1856 - had one daughter Mary Ann. > >> > >> George born 1825 Rotherhithe - married 1848 in NZ Margaret McMullen born > >> 1827 Ireland - they had eight children, seven survived. > >> > >> Sarah born 1830 Rotherhithe - married 1853 George LEWIS - shifted to NZ > > 1865 > >> - they had eight children > >> > >> Susannah born 1833 Rotherithe - 1849 Rotherhithe > >> > >> In the census 1841 - 1851 there are other STRONG's in and around the same > >> area as my family lived (Silver Street. The ages seem to match that they > >> could be the brothers of Robert, all seem to be in the same trade as well > >> but I can't find a connection as who their parents could be. Of the > > families > >> that shifted to NZ between 1848-1865 I have about 98% of the descendants > >> > >> If any one has these particular names within their family tree - I would > >> love to hear from you. > >> > >> > >> Pam...............NZ > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~shamere/index.html > >> Strong, Fraser, McMullen, Betteridge, BDM, Fencibles, Shipping, WW1 > > Soldiers. > >> > >> > >> ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > >> ======================================================== > >> Ship Captains and other Mariners named STRANG(E) or STRONG(E) > >> http://members.attcanada.ca/~vickerst/ships.html > >> ========================================================== > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > ======================================================== > > THE STRONG GENEALOGY NETWORK web site: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5744/ > > > > Register of Strong ancestors, by location. > > Links to websites with Strong data (GEDCOM to HTML) > > ========================================================== > > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > Address to subscribe or cancel subscription for MAIL-MODE: > <STRONG-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > Address to subscribe or cancel subscription for DIGEST-MODE: > <STRONG-D-request@rootsweb.com> > ========================================================== > To subscribe, send 1 word message: subscribe > > To cancel subscription, send 1 word: unsubscribe > ========================================================== > >

A while ago someone ask for information on Soloman Strong. Hope this helps! US Fed Census 1820 Rome, Oneida Co., NY Soloman Strong (M-10) (M11-15) (M16-18) (M19-25) (M26-44) (M45+) 1 2 0 0 1 0 (F-10) (F11-15) (F16-25) (F26-44) (F45+) 1 0 0 1 0 Jim jegilbert@comcast.net

Hi Pam... In all the New Zealand descendants, is there a male Strong who could join the DNA Study???? It might help provide some clues! Regards Dave Strong ... DNA Study Coordinator & webmaster: Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13, entitled "Lineages"; and Chapt. 15, "DNA Study" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm & Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and related families. ============================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Witches Brew" <ppakes@ihug.co.nz> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: [STRONG] STRONG Robert - England > Hi all, hunting for my English side of the family but these brick walls are > a menace to climb without a few stepping stones. > > Robert STRONG born some where in England approx 1792 - 1849 - married some > where in England > Margaret FISHER born 1792 Norwich Norfolk (1851 census) - mysteriously > disappeared. > > They had seven children - five survived > > John William 1816 - 1824 > > Robert Arthur born 1817 Bermondsey -christened 1819 St Magdalene Rotherhithe > - married 1845 Sarah Ann Charlotte SELF born 1820 Soho London - shifted to > NZ 1856 and had nine children > > Rosina born 1819 Bermondsey - christened 1819 St Magdalene Rotherhithe - > mysteriously disappeared > > Charles born1823 Rotherhithe - married 1845 Mary Ann ROSS born 1819 Chatham > England - shifted to NZ 1856 - had one daughter Mary Ann. > > George born 1825 Rotherhithe - married 1848 in NZ Margaret McMullen born > 1827 Ireland - they had eight children, seven survived. > > Sarah born 1830 Rotherhithe - married 1853 George LEWIS - shifted to NZ 1865 > - they had eight children > > Susannah born 1833 Rotherithe - 1849 Rotherhithe > > In the census 1841 - 1851 there are other STRONG's in and around the same > area as my family lived (Silver Street. The ages seem to match that they > could be the brothers of Robert, all seem to be in the same trade as well > but I can't find a connection as who their parents could be. Of the families > that shifted to NZ between 1848-1865 I have about 98% of the descendants > > If any one has these particular names within their family tree - I would > love to hear from you. > > > Pam...............NZ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~shamere/index.html > Strong, Fraser, McMullen, Betteridge, BDM, Fencibles, Shipping, WW1 Soldiers. > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > Ship Captains and other Mariners named STRANG(E) or STRONG(E) > http://members.attcanada.ca/~vickerst/ships.html > ========================================================== > >

In a message dated 12/17/02 11:16:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, dbsandmd@attcanada.ca writes: > I've forwarded a copy of your message to Patrick Harris.... He MIGHT be able > to shed some light... Let me know if you hear back from him! > Regards > Dave Strong ... Thanks, Dave. Anxiously awaiting. Will let you know. Janice

This is an update on the townland where my GF Thomas L'Estrange was born. I had the date, 1834, and the county, WestMeath,....NOW I have the townland, MILLTOWN. This is major for me....anyone one missing my Thomas from their family tree? Would love to hear from other Milltown, WM, :L'Estrange decendants. Janice Boston, MA, USA

Hi Janice... I've forwarded a copy of your message to Patrick Harris.... He MIGHT be able to shed some light... Let me know if you hear back from him! Regards Dave Strong ... DNA Study Coordinator & webmaster: Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13, entitled "Lineages"; and Chapt. 15, "DNA Study" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm & Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and related families. ============================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: <Zippity111@aol.com> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [STRONG] L'Estrange born Milltown, WestMeath, 1834 > This is an update on the townland where my GF Thomas L'Estrange was born. I > had the date, 1834, and the county, WestMeath,....NOW I have the townland, > MILLTOWN. This is major for me....anyone one missing my Thomas from their > family tree? > > Would love to hear from other Milltown, WM, :L'Estrange decendants. > > Janice > Boston, MA, USA > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > Ship Captains and other Mariners named STRANG(E) or STRONG(E) > http://members.attcanada.ca/~vickerst/ships.html > ========================================================== > >

Hi Loyd, Thanks for the data, I have the database established. On the 12 and 25 markers below, do you have the marker ID's so that I can record them in the appropriate columns? Are the data valid, or should I now start from scratch? What information would you want to record on the pedigrees of these individuals? Can I assume you only want the Male ancestors? Possibly name, surname, date and place of birth of as many ancestors as are known. What documentation of the pedigree is required, if any? Do we use standard genealogical proof. Do we establish a reliability number of our own? Will you be telling me which of the records match to others - If so, I assume I should also record this data? I will concern myself on how to query the data after I get some to test. I am assuming the data to be private and not to be dispersed without direction from you or David B Strong. Comments - Answers? Thanks, Rick Ellis Chief Data Architect Frost National Bank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd A. Horrocks" <horrocks.2@osu.edu> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [STRONG] LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong DNA STUDY > Rick, > > Following is a sample file with results for 12 and 25 markers from the > Shelton group. Notice that 12 markers are identical for SH-2, 3, 9, 22, > and 23. All of these have different farthest back known Shelton > ancestors. All five very likely have a common ancestor farther back. > > Lloyd Horrocks > > > From the SHELDON-L list: > Our DNA testing continues at a steady pace. The latest result is another > tester with the > rare number 3 in the 5th position. > FamilyTreeDNA says this about the number 3 in the 5th position: > > Your DNA is so uncommon that you are a poster child for our 12 marker test! > > Most people are not nearly so fortunate. If you find another Shelton > with a 12 marker test > > and he matches your group of 6 then you have found a Shelton who is > related to you. If that > > is what someone wants to know they don't need to test further. > > > If you would like to join our test group, go to link: > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.asp?count=26&group=Shelton > Thanks to Tina Hall, we now have a web page for our DNA project. You can > view it at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/dna.html > If you have any questions, I will be happy to answer them for you. > Margaret Shelton > DNA Project Coordinator > SH-1 Zebedee Shelton b 1804, Grainger, TN d Ore. > 5 9 5 6 6 8 5 4 5 5 7 5 > SH-2 Ralph d 1733>Daniel b1729 m Lettice > 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 > SH-3 James Knox Polk Shelton b 1845 TN d TX > 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 > SH-9 James b 1802 TN m Martha Cox > 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 10 7 8 7 8 10 8 9 10 16 16 17 18 > SH-22 James m Susannah Vardeman>Peter m Mary Graham > 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 > SH-23 Ezekiel H. Shelton m Margaret Davis 1797 Grainger, TN > 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 > SH-16 Joel Shelton b 1782 m Elizabeth Phillips Grainger, TN d Rush, Indiana > 5 8 6 6 3 9 5 4 4 6 7 6 > SH-25 Joshua Shelton b1828 m Mary Smith 1848 Lauderdale Co, Alabama > 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 7 7 6 > SH-4 Samuel Shelton b 1703 Louisa, VA > Joseph b 1758 > 5 8 5 6 5 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 > SH-5 Samuel Thomas Shelton b 1885 AK d OK > 5 9 5 6 5 8 5 4 3 5 7 5 > SH-17 Samuel Thomas Shelton b 1885 AK d OK > 5 9 5 6 5 8 5 4 3 5 7 5 > SH-18 Samuel Thomas Shelton b 1885 AK d OK > 5 9 5 6 5 8 5 4 3 5 7 5 > SH-19 Samuel Thomas Shelton b 1885 AK d OK > 5 9 5 6 5 8 5 4 3 5 7 5 > SH-6 William Shelton m Harrah Yates d 1794 Pittslyvania, VA > 5 7 5 5 5 8 5 4 5 5 7 6 9 7 7 7 8 9 8 9 9 16 16 18 19 > SH-14 Eli Shelton b1816 GA m Elizabeth Weathers > 5 7 5 5 5 8 5 4 4 5 7 6 9 7 7 7 8 9 8 9 9 16 16 18 19 > SH-10 Stephen Shelton b 1809 NC m Abigail Harris > 5 7 5 5 5 8 5 4 4 5 7 5 9 7 7 7 8 8 8 9 9 16 16 18 19 > SH-7 William m Sarah Doggett d 1807 Grainger, TN > 5 8 5 6 5 8 5 4 6 5 7 5 > SH-12 Peter b 1734 New Kent, VA m Frances Nuckolls > 5 8 5 6 5 8 5 4 6 5 7 5 > SH-20 Thomas S Shelton b 1823 McMinn, TN d Miller Co, MO > 5 8 5 6 5 8 5 4 6 5 7 5 > SH-15 James Shelton b 1863 TX m Mary b Arkansas > 5 8 5 6 5 8 5 4 5 5 7 5 > SH-8 Gideon Farmer Shelton b 1804 Pittslyvania, VA m Eliz Woolverton > 5 7 5 6 5 8 5 4 3 5 7 5 > SH-11 Ephraim Shelton b 1803 Pittslyvania, VA d 1862 GA > 5 9 5 6 5 9 5 4 4 6 7 6 > SH-13 Zebedee Shelton d 1900 Springhill, La. m Sara Montgomery > 4 8 5 5 5 8 5 4 4 5 7 5 > SH-21 Roderick Shelton d ca1816 Buncombe, NC m Sarah Ursula Briggs > 5 9 6 6 5 8 5 4 4 5 8 5 > SH-24 Edward Shelton b 1805 Mecklenburg, VA m Zilpha Magness Glenn/Lejinia > Holly > 5 8 8 5 5 8 5 4 2 4 5 6 > > Lloyd > > At 08:45 PM 12/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Would it be possible to obtain a couple of DNA result files so I can > >determine how to store the data? > > > >Thanks > > > >Rick > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > Descendants of Alexander Strange, immigrant from Devon, > England, to New Kent County, VA, including the Ancestry > of John Richard Mayer, d. 1998, San Francisco, CA. > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/a/y/John-R-Mayer > ========================================================== > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Strong" <strong@gslis.utexas.edu> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [STRONG] Strong DNA Study: An Appeal to Southern Strongs > Robert, > > I had been following the DNA discussions, but somehow missed that there was > a particular effort to "round up" southern STRONG male descendents (sorry, > has been the end of semester rush of papers to grade and students to see!!!). > > Anyway, I am a direct male descendent of a southern STRONG line, but not > one that has been proven to be connected to the New Kent Co. bunch (though > "Bama Bob" always seemed convinced that all the Virginia Strongs probably > descended from one or two [probably brothers] original immigrant[s]). > > Mine is the Norfolk County line of Edward STRONG (found in SFAA Vol. 5, > pgs. 47-78). My descent is: > > Edward > John, Sr. > Nelson G. > (William) Henry > Charles Luther > Lester Bryant > Robert Watt (me) > > Sounds like this might be a way to finally prove that all the Virginia > Strongs do or do not have a common ancestor--I suspect Robert T., Jr. is > anxiously awaiting for us to get it done (I really miss my long electronic > discussions with him!!!). > > So what do I need to do to sign on? > > Bob Strong > > > At 06:42 PM 12/4/02 -0700, you wrote: > >As of today, it appears I am the only descendant of John Strong, Sr. of New > >Kent Co., VA who has become a participant in the Strong DNA study. A lot of > >good that will do. I would think we need at least three participants from > >each line of the children of John Strong, Sr. -- John Strong, Jr., William > >Strong and George Strong -- to have a minimally valid study for our line. > >While the line of George may be lacking in known descendants, that can not > >be said about John Jr. and William. Our line has always been the Avis of > >Strong genealogy, i.e., "we're number 2, so we try harder." Well, it's time > >to walk the talk. > > > >How many of you were helped by Robert T. Strong, Jr. before he passed away? > >I can't imagine a better tribute to him than for those of his line (John > >Jr.) to join in this project. > > > >How many of you would be nowhere in your research without Jim Rolff? Don't > >you owe it to him (his wife descends from William Strong) to join in this > >project? > > > >Don't leave me all alone in this project. Please join me. > > > >Robert E. Strong, Jr. > >Scottsdale, AZ > > Robert W. Strong <><><>"Things are more like they are right now > strong@gslis.utexas.edu<><><><>than they have ever been." > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > "Welcome to my World": Martha F. (Brani) Strong's web site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7905/ > > Ancestors of "Elder" John Strong, Margery Deane, and > Abigail Ford in England. Children of "Elder" John > Strong of MA & CT. Historical documents of England & > U.S.A.; historical Strong(e) homes and buildings. New > genealogical research findings concerning families in > "The West Country" of England: Somerset, Dorset, and > Devon counties. Memorial to John Richard Mayer, Strange > descendant and researcher. Other research aids and links. > ========================================================== > >

Hello All... We are now starting to receive DNA test results. Four result reports from the first volunteers for the study are now in hand. It took about a month to receive the reports back after submitting the samples. It is still early in the project to determine the meaning of any of the results. Individual reports are being forwarded to Lloyd Horrocks, Professor Emeritus of Molecular and Cellular Biochemistry at The Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio, who is the LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong DNA Study Co-Administrator, for review, analysis, and a further report to us. Publication is pending reports and discussion with Lloyd, and design and construction of an appropriate Webpage for the posting of results. In light of the Holiday season, I anticipate there will be a bit of delay in any such publication. Additionally, as more persons join the study, and more results of testing are obtained, the analysis of results will become clearer. We are still in need of volunteers for the study. We do not yet have good coverage from significant lineages in the surname group; many are completely unrepresented. Ideally, we need at least two test subjects for each lineage, and a total test population of perhaps fifty members. You can sign up by following the process at the following webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm#member If anyone has any questions re the project, please let me know at any time. I have a number of applications for the study on file, and am waiting for complete files. Remember, the volunteers MUST be male Strongs or Stranges or variant spellings of those surnames. If you have signed up for the study, but have not yet exercised your "join code", please remember to do so as soon as possible. If you have signed up, but not forwarded your pedigree or release form, please complete the process for joining the study so a join code can be issued to you. And, if you have received but not used the test kit, and have not forwarded your test sample to the laboratory, please do so. Quite obviously, the signup, sampling, and testing process takes time. Help us all gain the benefits of the project by completing your part of the process as expeditiously as you can. My thanks to everyone for their interest in this project, and especially to those who are actively participating in the study! Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! {:-) Dave Strong ... DNA Study Coordinator & webmaster: Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13, entitled "Lineages"; and Chapt. 15, "DNA Study" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm & Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and related families. ==============================================================

----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Adams" <shogun630@webtv.net> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: [STRONG] Keith Matthews File > The Keith Matthews File contains a wealth o genealogical info on the > Strong family of Poole, Dorset and Trinity Bay, Nfld The info is > confusing because of the abbreviations he used. > Has anyone deciphered this info, and if so, where can I find it. If not, > it would be a good project for the list. > The following quote is from MUN/MHA: "Dr. Matthews began his research in the West of England, in Devon and Dorset, collecting information on individuals, families and businesses involved in the Newfoundland trade. He later expanded the scope of his research to include trades other than the fishery and people outside the West country who had Newfoundland connections. Thus the name files also include information on people from London, Bristol, Ireland and the Channel Islands, as well as residents of Newfoundland. These files contain a wealth of information which is invaluable to people tracing their Newfoundland ancestry, and for that reason the files are open for research. "In order to collect this information Matthews consulted a vast range of archival and published material. From this material he transcribed the information on any name or business associated either with the Newfoundland trade, or in some cases, the town which supplied the crews for the Newfoundland fishery. Each item of information is contained on a small strip of paper, which is filed by surname and subdivided by given name." ... "The format of the names files can be rather confusing. Matthews had developed his own form of abbreviations and syntax." ... The Keith Matthews Names file is part of Memorial University of Newfoundland's (MUN) Maritime History Archive (MHA). You can find their web site at http://www.mun.ca/mha/ . Several years ago I paid for copies of the Strong (S-123) files. The MHA retains copyright to the files, but I have their permission to post a transcription on my web site. Refer to http://home.earthlink.net/~lkstrong/KMatthews.htm , which includes all the typos from the original files. I have not found time over the years to translate the files. My Strong's were/are from the Notre Dame Bay area of Newfoundland. Charles "Chaz" Strong lkstrong@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~lkstrong/

Rick, Following is a sample file with results for 12 and 25 markers from the Shelton group. Notice that 12 markers are identical for SH-2, 3, 9, 22, and 23. All of these have different farthest back known Shelton ancestors. All five very likely have a common ancestor farther back. Lloyd Horrocks From the SHELDON-L list: Our DNA testing continues at a steady pace. The latest result is another tester with the rare number 3 in the 5th position. FamilyTreeDNA says this about the number 3 in the 5th position: > Your DNA is so uncommon that you are a poster child for our 12 marker test! > Most people are not nearly so fortunate. If you find another Shelton with a 12 marker test > and he matches your group of 6 then you have found a Shelton who is related to you. If that > is what someone wants to know they don't need to test further. > If you would like to join our test group, go to link: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.asp?count=26&group=Shelton Thanks to Tina Hall, we now have a web page for our DNA project. You can view it at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thall/dna.html If you have any questions, I will be happy to answer them for you. Margaret Shelton DNA Project Coordinator SH-1 Zebedee Shelton b 1804, Grainger, TN d Ore. 5 9 5 6 6 8 5 4 5 5 7 5 SH-2 Ralph d 1733>Daniel b1729 m Lettice 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 SH-3 James Knox Polk Shelton b 1845 TN d TX 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 SH-9 James b 1802 TN m Martha Cox 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 10 7 8 7 8 10 8 9 10 16 16 17 18 SH-22 James m Susannah Vardeman>Peter m Mary Graham 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 SH-23 Ezekiel H. Shelton m Margaret Davis 1797 Grainger, TN 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 SH-16 Joel Shelton b 1782 m Elizabeth Phillips Grainger, TN d Rush, Indiana 5 8 6 6 3 9 5 4 4 6 7 6 SH-25 Joshua Shelton b1828 m Mary Smith 1848 Lauderdale Co, Alabama 5 8 6 6 3 8 5 4 4 7 7 6 SH-4 Samuel Shelton b 1703 Louisa, VA > Joseph b 1758 5 8 5 6 5 8 5 4 4 6 7 6 SH-5 Samuel Thomas Shelton b 1885 AK d OK 5 9 5 6 5 8 5 4 3 5 7 5 SH-17 Samuel Thomas Shelton b 1885 AK d OK 5 9 5 6 5 8 5 4 3 5 7 5 SH-18 Samuel Thomas Shelton b 1885 AK d OK 5 9 5 6 5 8 5 4 3 5 7 5 SH-19 Samuel Thomas Shelton b 1885 AK d OK 5 9 5 6 5 8 5 4 3 5 7 5 SH-6 William Shelton m Harrah Yates d 1794 Pittslyvania, VA 5 7 5 5 5 8 5 4 5 5 7 6 9 7 7 7 8 9 8 9 9 16 16 18 19 SH-14 Eli Shelton b1816 GA m Elizabeth Weathers 5 7 5 5 5 8 5 4 4 5 7 6 9 7 7 7 8 9 8 9 9 16 16 18 19 SH-10 Stephen Shelton b 1809 NC m Abigail Harris 5 7 5 5 5 8 5 4 4 5 7 5 9 7 7 7 8 8 8 9 9 16 16 18 19 SH-7 William m Sarah Doggett d 1807 Grainger, TN 5 8 5 6 5 8 5 4 6 5 7 5 SH-12 Peter b 1734 New Kent, VA m Frances Nuckolls 5 8 5 6 5 8 5 4 6 5 7 5 SH-20 Thomas S Shelton b 1823 McMinn, TN d Miller Co, MO 5 8 5 6 5 8 5 4 6 5 7 5 SH-15 James Shelton b 1863 TX m Mary b Arkansas 5 8 5 6 5 8 5 4 5 5 7 5 SH-8 Gideon Farmer Shelton b 1804 Pittslyvania, VA m Eliz Woolverton 5 7 5 6 5 8 5 4 3 5 7 5 SH-11 Ephraim Shelton b 1803 Pittslyvania, VA d 1862 GA 5 9 5 6 5 9 5 4 4 6 7 6 SH-13 Zebedee Shelton d 1900 Springhill, La. m Sara Montgomery 4 8 5 5 5 8 5 4 4 5 7 5 SH-21 Roderick Shelton d ca1816 Buncombe, NC m Sarah Ursula Briggs 5 9 6 6 5 8 5 4 4 5 8 5 SH-24 Edward Shelton b 1805 Mecklenburg, VA m Zilpha Magness Glenn/Lejinia Holly 5 8 8 5 5 8 5 4 2 4 5 6 Lloyd At 08:45 PM 12/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Would it be possible to obtain a couple of DNA result files so I can >determine how to store the data? > >Thanks > >Rick

David: I snail mailed the ancestor chart to you yesterday. You should already have both mine and my Uncle's sign up sheet and release. I've ordered the kit, so we should be in good shape. However, I lost my browser the other day and am having to reinstall (including email addresses...) Therefore, I no longer have the number you sent to me, nor the order number that was given to me when I ordered the kit. (I think it was 6432, but I'm not sure) I no longer have my uncle's email address either. Silly as this sounds, could you forward it to me?? Thanks. Rene' >Merry Christmas, Rene'..... > >You are not alone in stretching your budget at this time of year... Don't we >all!!! {:-) >Thanks for letting us know you are still interested in the DNA Study. >Just a suggestion: Please consider completing the Signup form, the >Release, and the Pedigree chart, and forwarding them to me in the meantime. >There is a bit of time involved in doing those things (particularly where >you are working with another person as the DNA volunteer), and it will help >us build the file I can then go ahead and issue the join code to you so >that when you are ready, you can simply order the sample kit from Family >Tree DNA. > >There are a number of folks who are in various stages of completion of the >process.... some who have sent me all three of the required forms, some who >have just sent the signup form, and a few with various other parts covered. >It would help quite a bit if any and all of you could go ahead and complete >the "paperwork" part of the process, and then let me know your personal >schedule re actually ordering the kits. It will also help sort those >situations where we are specifically trying to establish particular >haplotypes for certain lineages... eg., where do we concentrate our efforts >to gain volunteers? > >Regards >Dave Strong ... >DNA Study Coordinator & Webmaster: >Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) >IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm >Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13, >entitled "Lineages"; and Chapt. 15, "DNA Study" >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm >& >Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm >Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and >related families. >============================================================== > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <C2it20670@aol.com> >To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:56 PM >Subject: [STRONG] STRONG DNA..... > > >> Greetings Cousins! Ive been 'kinda' following the discussion about the >DNA >> testing & am very interested in participating (well, talking my Uncle into >> participating!) but I have to confess that the finacnes aren't the >strongest >> this time of year. Soooo, dear cousins, write all this good stuff down & >> remember it so I can have you all refresh my memory on how this is all >done! >> -after the first of the year I'd really like to see the proverbial ball >get >> rollin'! :) >> Lords Blessings to each & every one of you during the Holydays & >always! >> ~Rene ! :) (-from the line of Giles Strong, >circa >> 1788 MA) >> >> >> ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== >> ======================================================== >> Ship Captains and other Mariners named STRANG(E) or STRONG(E) >> http://members.attcanada.ca/~vickerst/ships.html >> ========================================================== >> >> > > > >==== STRONG Mailing List ==== >======================================================== >Address to subscribe or cancel subscription for MAIL-MODE: ><STRONG-L-request@rootsweb.com> > >Address to subscribe or cancel subscription for DIGEST-MODE: ><STRONG-D-request@rootsweb.com> >========================================================== >To subscribe, send 1 word message: subscribe > >To cancel subscription, send 1 word: unsubscribe >========================================================== > >

Merry Christmas, Rene'..... You are not alone in stretching your budget at this time of year... Don't we all!!! {:-) Thanks for letting us know you are still interested in the DNA Study. Just a suggestion: Please consider completing the Signup form, the Release, and the Pedigree chart, and forwarding them to me in the meantime. There is a bit of time involved in doing those things (particularly where you are working with another person as the DNA volunteer), and it will help us build the file I can then go ahead and issue the join code to you so that when you are ready, you can simply order the sample kit from Family Tree DNA. There are a number of folks who are in various stages of completion of the process.... some who have sent me all three of the required forms, some who have just sent the signup form, and a few with various other parts covered. It would help quite a bit if any and all of you could go ahead and complete the "paperwork" part of the process, and then let me know your personal schedule re actually ordering the kits. It will also help sort those situations where we are specifically trying to establish particular haplotypes for certain lineages... eg., where do we concentrate our efforts to gain volunteers? Regards Dave Strong ... DNA Study Coordinator & Webmaster: Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13, entitled "Lineages"; and Chapt. 15, "DNA Study" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm & Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and related families. ============================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: <C2it20670@aol.com> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: [STRONG] STRONG DNA..... > Greetings Cousins! Ive been 'kinda' following the discussion about the DNA > testing & am very interested in participating (well, talking my Uncle into > participating!) but I have to confess that the finacnes aren't the strongest > this time of year. Soooo, dear cousins, write all this good stuff down & > remember it so I can have you all refresh my memory on how this is all done! > -after the first of the year I'd really like to see the proverbial ball get > rollin'! :) > Lords Blessings to each & every one of you during the Holydays & always! > ~Rene ! :) (-from the line of Giles Strong, circa > 1788 MA) > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > Ship Captains and other Mariners named STRANG(E) or STRONG(E) > http://members.attcanada.ca/~vickerst/ships.html > ========================================================== > >

Dear Barbara Way, Thanks for your kind message! I'm taking the liberty of passing it along to members of the Rootsweb Strong, Strange and Strang Lists. I know John Mayer would have been excited by the possibilities presented by the DNA Study. Thank you very much for helping to publicize the Study project. The project will take time to come to fruition; however,.we are slowly gaining momentum. We will be sure to include you in any reports of the results! Our condolances on the loss of your husband. It is always a shock when someone leaves us suddenly. We will look forward to when you have the time to get back to the republication of your brother John's books, but certainly understand your need to attend to everything. I hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas under the circumstances. Best Wishes, Dave Strong ... webmaster: Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13, entitled "Lineages"; and Chapt. 15, "DNA Study" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm & Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and related families. ============================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Way To: David B. Strong Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: RE: LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong DNA STUDY Dear Dave, Your message fascinates me. I so wish I could call my brother John to tell him. He would be thrilled with the possibilities. It did dawn on me though that I could help you. I forwarded your message to everyone in my Arapacana Press mail list who has an e-mail address. There were 260 e-mail addresses of which at least 20 were no longer good addresses. (You helped me clean up my mail list.) I have many more contacts who don't have an e-mail address. When we publish another book, if I can find room on our brochure which we mail out, I will include a link to the study. We finished a book at the beginning of August but I haven't worked on the books any since then. My husband passed away very suddenly at the end of August and for the time being, there are many more pressing things to do with my time. I'm sure I will get back to it some day. Thank you so much for organizing this effort. I will be interested in the results. Barb Way Arapacana Press ============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: David B. Strong [mailto:dbsandmd@attcanada.ca] aSent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:08 PM To: Thomas L'Estrange (Co.Cork, Ireland>Iowa); Ruth Henderson (L'Estrange of Westmeath, India, Australia); Richard Stephen Strange; Patrick Harris (New Zealand, re L'Estrange); Muriel Millwood (California, re LaStrange); Mike Strange (England); Mike Gough (Canada-re L'Estrange); Michael Quin-Conroy (L'Estrange, India, Australia); Kitty McLaughlin; Kelly L'Estrange (Co.Cork, Ireland >Iowa); Jerry L'Estrange (California-re L'Estrange of Westmeath); Janice McGlaughlin(Boston,MA, re LEstrange of Dublin); Jacques LesStrang (California, re Lestrange); Eamonn L'Estrange (re Irish L'Estranges); Don Gregg (Tasmania, re L'Estrange of Westmeath); Barrie J M Wright (re L'Estrange, Loftis); Tom Weir (So.Carolina); Susan Strong Hall (So.Carolina Strongs); Rosslyn Anne Strange Basey (Re Strange); Roger Dellinger (re Co. Antrim); Nancy Williams (re Strang of Cambuslang, SCT); Martin Casterud (Sweden, re Strange of Sweden); Lyn Sanchez (re Strange, Balcaskie); Lowry Betts (So.Carolina); Le! ta Strange (re Strange of Balcaskie); Kevin Strang; JeanStrecker2002@aol.com; Douglas V MacRae (re Strong; Perthshire); David Graham Strang (Strang research?); Bo Larsen (Germany, re Strange of Sweden); Barbara Way; Baille Strong; Nicole Lentz (Strang of NFLD); Helene Attrill (re Strange of Balcaske); Margaret Mitchell (Scottish Strangs); William Frederick Veale; Valerie Boal (English Strongs); Thomas J. Strong; Simon Stronge; Rod Strong (UK, re Strong, Lincs); Rita Robinson (South Africa); Rick Whistler; Paul Christopher Feitz (NL, re Gloucester, Eng Strongs); Paul Arnold (TO, re Co.Armagh & Carlisle); Norma Griffith (Australia); Natasha Doreen Moxon (Strongman Eng.); Martha F.B. Strong (PA, re Southwest England); Mark Porter (Australia, re Somerset Strongs); Maria Elisa Botelho Byington (Brazil frm Copiah, MS); Luis Granados; Lise Elliott (England); Linda Fellober (Strange of England); Len Strong (re Strongs of Hampshire, UK); Juanita Alloway (Strange); Johnny Strong; John! Strong (Leeds, England); Jeanne; Herbert Adams (re Old Perlican, NFLD); Geoff Humble (Australia, re Strong of Dorset, England); Dierdre McCabe (Strange of England); Denis Strangman; Deirdre Snook (Stonemason Strongs, So.Africa); Danielle Kiey; Charles "Chaz" Strong (of Newfndld); Betty Jaekle (Strongs of Kent, England); Anthony Strong (BC re English Strongs); Angela McCarthy (New Zealand Connection); Linda Lindsey Subject: LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong DNA STUDY Hello Everyone! It has probably been quite a while since you heard from me.... and l suspect there are a few addresses which have changed in the meantime. I am hoping to contact as many LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strongs as possible in order to pass along information about a DNA Study which may be of considerable help to us all. Please consider reposting this message to any message boards or related lists to which you may belong. There is a hypothesis that the names LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong are all variants of the same name. There is also a related hypothesis that there are at least two different roots to the Strange and Strang surnames.... that the English Stranges are derived from the Norman or Breton LeStrange family, and that the Scottish Stranges and Strangs spring from a separate, possibly Viking root based on the old Norse given name "Strangi". In turn there are various modern families bearing these variant surnames which are all derived in one way or another from these roots. A few years ago John Richard Mayer, a descendant of Alexander Strange, and author of a number of books regarding the various Strange surnames, joined the Strong List for about a year. Unfortunately, he died at a very young age, and is no longer with us to share his love of genealogy. During the short time he was a member of the Strong List, he made significant contributions to the discussions on the list. You might want to explore the Strong List archives in this regard. Upon his death, we established a memorial webpage, detailing in part the significance of his writing. See: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/jrmmem.html If you have not previously reviewed this webpage, I think you will find it very interesting. There is a link to an index of his series of books, listing the various Strange lineages which he had distinguished. His sister Barbara Way has engaged in a process of updating the various books based on the material she found in John's computer after his death. It can be said that John Mayer had one of the best overall visions of how the various LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong lineages fit together. There have nevertheless been questions about the validity of his hypotheses and those hypotheses formulated by some others (including myself) based on John's writings and analyses. Now, we have an opportunity to test the hypotheses. Now we have a new tool which may prove or disprove relationships, and aid us in persuing the most likely research which will prove the connection.... a DNA Study. Recently I have initiated a DNA Study for the benefit of the many researchers and their families who have been unable to break through some of those "brickwalls" . Many of us are able to trace our lineages back several generations before coming up against a frustrating lack of records which tend to make "proof" impossible. Many of us have hunches and a lot of positive evidence pointing to lineage connections, but not enough to establish the links which make the connection. Are the English Strongs and Stranges really all from one root family of Stranges or Lestranges, tracing back to the Lestrange family who came to England with William the Conqueror? On the other hand, we already have a member of the Study who uses the "Strong" surname, but who has traced his lineage to Strangs in 16th century Scotland. To what extent is he related to the other Strangs or Stranges of Scottish ancestry? Is he related to the English Stranges and Lestranges? Are YOU related to him? There is a separate "Strang" family which can trace it's lineage to the "d'Streing" family of France. Many of their members can trace their lineage to a Streing who settled in early New Jersey or New York. Is this your root? Can we establish what Haplotype of DNA markers denotes members of the lineage? Is the Streing/Strang lineage in turn related to the LeStrange families of France and England? There is much information which can be gained by jointly sharing in this DNA Study! In connection with the DNA Study, I have recently established a new webpage setting up the LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong DNA Study. See: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm The webpage is now fully operational. You are invited to visit the webpage, and if possible, join the study. You must be a male LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong, or variant surname, to participate in the testing for the study, but if you are a female or descendant of a female LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong you can work with your male LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong relatives to have them tested. It is even possible for you to pay to have your cousin(s) tested! We have obtained one of the best prices available on the market, to the best of my knowledge, and this is your opportunity to take advantage of the research possibilities presented. This study is for the benefit of everyone.... if possible, please consider joining even if you are certain you have traced your lineage as far back as it is possible to go. For example, consider that by joining the study you will be helping others trace their lines as well. How? By establishing a prototype of your LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong"haplotype" in the DNA Study, you will provide researchers of un-linked lineages with a possibility of matching that DNA haplotype... proving or disproving a relationship link. Interested researchers will not be able to find out the name of their missing link... but they will be able to establish whether they are on the right track, and gain some prediction of how many generations back they will have to go in order to establish a "Most Recent Common Ancestor". The same can be said for many lines being researched around the world. The webpage outlines some of the goals of the study which may be useful to every person researching one of the variant surnames, LeStrange, Strange, Strang, Stronge, and Strong. It is possible we may be able to prove or disprove the hypotheses re the derivation of the surnames above. The DNA Study has certain limitations dictated by the technology involved. The participant must be a male Strong or variant surname. He can't be the male descendant of a female Strong, etc. This is because the DNA tested is from the male Y chromosome, which is "handed" from father to son relatively unchanged thru many generations. A female does not have a Y chromosome, and thus the chain is broken. Not everyone will be able to join the study, but perhaps they will have a male LeStrange-Strange-Strang-Stronge-Strong relative who can join the study. Please try to enlist volunteers from any of these lines in the study. One can join the study directly from the website, and get the advantage of a reduced rate for the test provided to us by Family Tree DNA, a genetic testing company whose services are being used by over 250 "one-name" family surname studies. The company has an established reputation, and is providing us with a service which may prove invaluable. If you have any questions after reviewing the webpage, please let me know. This is a cooperative research effort involving the efforts of everyone who joins the study. I have no proprietarial interest in the results of the study. It's benefits, after the initial cost of testing, are intended to be freely available to all. I invite any and all interested researchers of the various lineages out there to jump in and suggest possible benefits of this study for their particular lines. Volunteers are needed. Please join the study! Regards Dave Strong ... webmaster: Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13, entitled "Lineages"; and Chapt. 15, "DNA Study" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm & Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and related families. ==============================================================

Helen, I must correct my previous e-mail. The invitation came after I received this e-mail from you today. I will review it and get back to you later today. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pond" <hpond@alltel.net> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [STRONG] New subscriber > I sent you an invitation to review my tree at My Family. It is by > invitation only. Thought maybe if you had a chance to review it, we might > be able to help each other. > > Sorry this has taken me so long to get back to you. I've had a terrible > bout of the stomach flu and out of work for a bit. Hope to be back up and > going by Monday. > > Peace > Helen STRONG Pond > Woodland, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack White" <jrwhite44@adelphia.net> > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 PM > Subject: [STRONG] New subscriber > > > > I am a new subscriber of the Strong Mail List. I am a descendent of Elder > > John Strong through his son, Thomas Strong. The following is a list of my > > ancestors, continuing from Thomas Strong: > > Justice Joseph Strong > > Phinehas Strong > > Elisha Strong > > James Strong, Sr. > > James Strong, Jr. > > Havillah Blakeslee Strong > > Matie Lucy Strong White > > Claude Oliver White > > Floyd Wellington White. > > > > Thanks, > > Jack Richard White > > 8396 Fox Hills Ave. > > Buena Park, CA 90621 > > > > jrwhite44@adelphia.net > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > ======================================================== > > STRONG FAMILY ASSOCIATON OF AMERICA (SFAA) web site: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4715 > > > > Strong(e)s of Somerset, Dorset, and Devon Counties, England, > > including ancestors of "Elder" John Strong; queries about > > descendants of "Elder" John Strong answered by the SFAA > > Historian, Robert Sheldon ("Bob") Strong, from his extensive > > electronic database. > > ========================================================== > > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > THE STRONG GENEALOGY NETWORK web site: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5744/ > > Register of Strong ancestors, by location. > Links to websites with Strong data (GEDCOM to HTML) > ========================================================== >

Helen, Thanks for the reminder. I looked again at your first e-mail to me and I didn't notice an invitation to your website. I haven't had a chance to review it because I don't know where it is. I would certainly like to do that as I usually follow up on all leads regarding family history. Thanks, Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Pond" <hpond@alltel.net> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [STRONG] New subscriber > I sent you an invitation to review my tree at My Family. It is by > invitation only. Thought maybe if you had a chance to review it, we might > be able to help each other. > > Sorry this has taken me so long to get back to you. I've had a terrible > bout of the stomach flu and out of work for a bit. Hope to be back up and > going by Monday. > > Peace > Helen STRONG Pond > Woodland, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack White" <jrwhite44@adelphia.net> > To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:57 PM > Subject: [STRONG] New subscriber > > > > I am a new subscriber of the Strong Mail List. I am a descendent of Elder > > John Strong through his son, Thomas Strong. The following is a list of my > > ancestors, continuing from Thomas Strong: > > Justice Joseph Strong > > Phinehas Strong > > Elisha Strong > > James Strong, Sr. > > James Strong, Jr. > > Havillah Blakeslee Strong > > Matie Lucy Strong White > > Claude Oliver White > > Floyd Wellington White. > > > > Thanks, > > Jack Richard White > > 8396 Fox Hills Ave. > > Buena Park, CA 90621 > > > > jrwhite44@adelphia.net > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > ======================================================== > > STRONG FAMILY ASSOCIATON OF AMERICA (SFAA) web site: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4715 > > > > Strong(e)s of Somerset, Dorset, and Devon Counties, England, > > including ancestors of "Elder" John Strong; queries about > > descendants of "Elder" John Strong answered by the SFAA > > Historian, Robert Sheldon ("Bob") Strong, from his extensive > > electronic database. > > ========================================================== > > > > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > THE STRONG GENEALOGY NETWORK web site: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5744/ > > Register of Strong ancestors, by location. > Links to websites with Strong data (GEDCOM to HTML) > ========================================================== >

Bob, welcome aboard. Go to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm for instructions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Strong" <strong@gslis.utexas.edu> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [STRONG] Strong DNA Study: An Appeal to Southern Strongs > Sounds like this might be a way to finally prove that all the Virginia > Strongs do or do not have a common ancestor--I suspect Robert T., Jr. is > anxiously awaiting for us to get it done (I really miss my long electronic > discussions with him!!!). > > So what do I need to do to sign on? >

Hello Bob! We are delighted to have you join in the DNA Study. Actually, just yesterday I was thinking of which lines we need which haven't yet been signed into the study... and the Edward Strong of Norfolk, Virginia lineage was one of them. You will help tremendously by joining the study! To join the study, please go to the DNA Study webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm and drop down to the section on how to join the project. There are three things we need initially from you, and you have just given us the first, which is your pedigree from your earliest Strong ancestor down to you. The second thing we need is for you to use the signup form which is found at the website (you reach the form by clicking on the link to the "Sign Up" form). Simply fill in the blanks on the form and submit it. I will receive it and make it part of your file. The third thing we need is for you to 1) print a copy of the release form found on another associated page. Sign it before a witness, and hold it until I give you a "snail address" to which it should be sent. 2) Cut and Paste an electronic copy of the release form into an email to me, telling me you have signed it, and who the witness is. When I have these three things in hand, I will email you my snail address (so you can send me the signed release form) and a link to a "join code" found on the Family Tree DNA website, which you then can use to order your DNA sample test kit on line. FTDNA will enter your order at the project reduced price and send you the kit with instructions for it's use. I'm starting your file now, and look forward to receiving the signup form and release form. I am sure Robert Strong and the other members of the DNA Study join me in thanking you for your interest and help! Regards, Dave Strong ... webmaster: Book I: RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/contents.htm Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13, entitled "Lineages"; and Chapt. 15, "DNA Study" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnastudy.htm & Book II: THE DONEGAL STRONG PUZZLE: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/indxdrft.htm Research and study of Counties Donegal and Fermanagh Strongs and related families. ============================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Strong" <strong@gslis.utexas.edu> To: <STRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [STRONG] Strong DNA Study: An Appeal to Southern Strongs > Robert, > > I had been following the DNA discussions, but somehow missed that there was > a particular effort to "round up" southern STRONG male descendents (sorry, > has been the end of semester rush of papers to grade and students to see!!!). > > Anyway, I am a direct male descendent of a southern STRONG line, but not > one that has been proven to be connected to the New Kent Co. bunch (though > "Bama Bob" always seemed convinced that all the Virginia Strongs probably > descended from one or two [probably brothers] original immigrant[s]). > > Mine is the Norfolk County line of Edward STRONG (found in SFAA Vol. 5, > pgs. 47-78). My descent is: > > Edward > John, Sr. > Nelson G. > (William) Henry > Charles Luther > Lester Bryant > Robert Watt (me) > > Sounds like this might be a way to finally prove that all the Virginia > Strongs do or do not have a common ancestor--I suspect Robert T., Jr. is > anxiously awaiting for us to get it done (I really miss my long electronic > discussions with him!!!). > > So what do I need to do to sign on? > > Bob Strong > > > At 06:42 PM 12/4/02 -0700, you wrote: > >As of today, it appears I am the only descendant of John Strong, Sr. of New > >Kent Co., VA who has become a participant in the Strong DNA study. A lot of > >good that will do. I would think we need at least three participants from > >each line of the children of John Strong, Sr. -- John Strong, Jr., William > >Strong and George Strong -- to have a minimally valid study for our line. > >While the line of George may be lacking in known descendants, that can not > >be said about John Jr. and William. Our line has always been the Avis of > >Strong genealogy, i.e., "we're number 2, so we try harder." Well, it's time > >to walk the talk. > > > >How many of you were helped by Robert T. Strong, Jr. before he passed away? > >I can't imagine a better tribute to him than for those of his line (John > >Jr.) to join in this project. > > > >How many of you would be nowhere in your research without Jim Rolff? Don't > >you owe it to him (his wife descends from William Strong) to join in this > >project? > > > >Don't leave me all alone in this project. Please join me. > > > >Robert E. Strong, Jr. > >Scottsdale, AZ > > Robert W. Strong <><><>"Things are more like they are right now > strong@gslis.utexas.edu<><><><>than they have ever been." > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > "Welcome to my World": Martha F. (Brani) Strong's web site > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7905/ > > Ancestors of "Elder" John Strong, Margery Deane, and > Abigail Ford in England. Children of "Elder" John > Strong of MA & CT. Historical documents of England & > U.S.A.; historical Strong(e) homes and buildings. New > genealogical research findings concerning families in > "The West Country" of England: Somerset, Dorset, and > Devon counties. Memorial to John Richard Mayer, Strange > descendant and researcher. Other research aids and links. > ========================================================== > >