William D. (Bill) Strong was adopted as a young child and became William D. (Bill) Gracia. On 4 SEP 1998, he submitted the following query to my personal E-Mail address. I am taking the liberty of forwarding the message to the Strong Mail List. Can anyone add anything to my suggestions, which follow his message? Please reply to the Strong Mail List, where Bill will see your message, as he is a current subscriber. =============================================================== "We are looking for info on Julius Strong. The info we have is that he married a Sally Threehouse who was born in Michagan, USA and moved to upstate NY later. Julius may have been born in Canada.They had a son who was born on 10 June 1865. He was David Joseph Strong. Born in Marshall, Calhoun,MI. We do not have any dates on Julius. But have some old postcard photos of Sally Threehouse Strong taken in the early 1900. They are posted on my web site at: http://www.wdstrong.com. We have come to a dead end. The only Julius Strong I have found is the Congressman from Connecticut. But I think that he was too old and from the wrong part of the country. =============================================================== Strong, Julius Levi (1828-1872) Born in Bolton, Conn., November 8, 1828. Member of Connecticut state house of representatives, 1852; member of Connecticut state senate, 1853; U.S. Representative from Connecticut, 1869-72. Died September 7, 1872. Interment at Cedar Hill Cemetery, Hartford, Conn. - http://www.potifos.com/tpg/chrono/plyy1828.html =============================================================== JULIUS STRONG was born in , , , CANADA. [Married] SALLY THREEHOUSE, [who] was born in , _?_, MI. Children were: DAVID JOSEPH STRONG.10 Jun 1865 in MARSHALL, CALHOUN, MI." ====================END OF MESSAGE============================= ================================================================ Hi, Bill! You surely have a mystery! I see on the road atlas that Marshall, Calhoun Co., MI, is located about 10 miles east of Battle Creek, Michigan. Let's back up. How was it determined that David Joseph Strong, born 10 JUN 1865, was the son of Julius Strong and Sally Treehouse? Would you please cite the source documentation for this information in a message back to the Strong Mail List? Did you (or Jan) find a birth record for David Joseph Strong? Did this come from a family birth register, such as a Family Bible? So we know that the parents of David Joseph Strong were in Calhoun County, MI, in 1865. Were they there is 1860 or 1870? Check the indices to these two censuses of Michigan, checking all possible spellings or mis-spellings of the name Strong (Strang, Strange, Stronge, Straughn, Straughan, Strawn, Stron, etc.) to see if you can find a Strong family residing in Calhoun County or a nearby county at that time. If you find no such family in the index, the next step would be to sit down at a micorfilm reader and actually read the 1860 and 1870 census of Calhoun County, line by line, to see if you can locate your ancestors. Sometimes names were omitted from the index, or were so badly mis-transcribed in the index that they are not recognizable. Knowing the name for which you are searching makes it easier to recognize than it is for a clerk who is paid to transcribe the entire census and has no involvement is finding a particular name. Don't depend upon the indices published by Broderbund Software (Family Tree Maker) on Compact Disks, as these indices are usually only of "selected" states and counties. That is, they are not complete and unabridged. I did, however, check the 1860 census index on WFT CD #318 and found eleven (11) households headed by a person named Julius Strong. These households were located in the states of Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, Minnesota, and Texas, with the largest number being in Connecticut. The name was spelled variously as Julius, Julan, Julias, or Julus. Keep in mind that some states were not included on CD #318. The State of Michigan was NOT included on this index. The index to the 1870 census, on CD, was even more inadequate. A search on the Internet Family Finder indicated there was a Julius Strong and a Julius A. Strong on the 1860 census of California, with CD #318 cited as the reference, but I could not find these names on CD #318. A Julius Strong was found in a GEDCOM at Ancestry HomeTown, but he was reported to be a son of William Hardin Strong (mentioned in a recent message to the Strong Mail List about the descendants of John Strong of Cumberland County, Kentucky). This GEDCOM was submitted by <[email protected]>. You mentioned that Sally Treehouse Strong was in photographs taken in the early 1900s. By implication, her husband was probably deceased. So I would recommend searching for Sally Strong and/or Sarah Strong on the 1900, 1910, and 1920 census. If you know where the photograph was taken you might have a clue about were Sally was residing in the early 1900s. For the 1880 and later Federal census reports, there is a soundex. That should make it much easier to search for persons named Julius Strong or Sarah ("Sally") Strong. Check for a soundex for the states of Michigan and New York, especially. The soundex code for Strong is S-365, I believe. Rev. Micheal Strong <[email protected]>, in the past a subscriber to the Strong Mail List, apparently had data about one or more persons named Julius Strong on his web pages, which I was unable to access from the Internet Family Finder search page. You might want to search the archived messages for the Strong Mail List for "Micheal and Strong" to see what has been posted by him in the past. Or just searching the archives for "Julius and Strong" might be simpler. http://newsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl I hope these suggestions are helpful. Following them will surely keep you busy for a good spell. Don't despair! Patience and perserverance often pays dividends. Keep searching! Be tenacious. "BoB T." Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, Al 35757-8801

=============================================================== On 3 SEP 1998, Bonnie Bronleewe visited The Strong Quest and The Strong-Gossage Ancestral Database, after which she wrote the following message addressed to the manager of the two sites, Robert T. (Bob) Strong, Jr. The message is being forwarded to The Strong Mail List. Please reply to [email protected] (Bonnie Strong Bronleewee) with a carbon copy to [email protected] Bonnie: Please consider subscribing to the Strong Mail List, where you will meet over 160 researchers of the Strong, Strang, Strange, and related families, the largest subgroup being descended from "Elder" John Strong. To subscribe, send a message to the address below with only this one word in the body of the message. subscribe Do not add a signature block to your message or any other comments, as it will not be read by a human. Use this optional subject line: Subscribe to Strong-L. Mail to this address: [email protected] Following are two web sites managed in part or whole by Martha F. Brani Strong, an authority on the English ancestry of "Elder" John Strong, that will answer some of your questions. The Strong Family Association of America (SFAA) web site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4715 Martha's personal web site, "Welcome to My World": http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7905 There are a couple of brief sections in STRONG FAMILY HISTORIES, VOLUME 5, (c) 1996, The Strong Family Association of America, written by Martha F. B. Strong, about the Strong ancestry and kin of "Elder" John Strong in England. I interpret these documents as being the most current official position of the SFAA. See Pages 629-642. For purchase information for any of the update volumes, contact the SFAA Historian, Robert Sheldon Strong <[email protected]>. Volumes 1 through 4 of the above are updates to the two-volume set of books to which you referred that were lost in the FEB 1996 Oregon flood. The set was compiled by Benjamin W. Dwight and was titled, THE HISTORY OF THE DECENDANTS OF ELDER JOHN STRONG OF NORTHAMPTON, MASSACHUSETTS. Published 1871 at Albany, New York, by J. Munsell. Volume 5 includes Strong families that have not been proven to be descended from "Elder" John Strong. I don't want to belabor the debate about when John Strong arrived in Massachusetts, but keep in mind that the "Mary and John" story is nothing by a THEORY which to this day has not been substantiated with one iota of documentation. The passenger list for the "Mary and John" was not preserved. No record of John Strong being in Massachusetts prior to 1635 has been found. However, there IS a ship passenger list dated 1635 which included John Stronge and his family. To prove that John Strong arrived in 1630 would require proving he returned to England after 1630. No proof has been produced. Thank you for your informative message and I do hope you will join our discussions on the Strong Mail List. "BoB T." ================================================================= My name is Bonnie Strong Bronleewe. [If it says this is from David Bronleewe, he's my 18 year-old son, child # 2 of 6. My husband is Sam Bronleewe.] I am a distant relative, a descendent of Elder John Strong's oldest son, John. My father, William Walter Strong, had a copy of a 2-volume genealogy of the Strong's, which I never looked at very closely, and in Feb.1996 it was destroyed when their house in Vernonia, Oregon, was flooded [it was shown repeatedly by CNN in their coverage]. My aunt, Rosalie Strong Meyers has a set, but can't find it. Fortunately, one of their cousins hired a genealogist to research the family tree years ago, and my aunt gave me a copy of that. I just came across your web site this afternoon, and when I get a chance to make a copy of the information that I have, I would be glad to send it to you if you are interested. It traces our line back to Elder John Strong as the 1st generation, with his first wife [the one I'm descended from] as unknown, so I was pleased to see the information about Marjory Deane, until I read your disclaimer. It also gives his father's name as Richard Strong, born in Caernaroon, Wales in 1551, and his sister's name as Eleanor. The genealogy says that he and his first wife came to America with their son John, born in England in 1626, and an infant child, sailing from Plymouth, England on March 30, 1630, aboard the "Mary & John". They arrived in Nantasket on May 30, 1630, but his wife died either on the passage or soon after, and the infant died 2 months later. He married Abigail Ford in Dec. 1630, according to my information. The list of their children that I have matches the one on the web page, though I don't have much about the rest. To support the position that Elder John Strong came to America in 1630, rather than1635, I have come across the following bits of information: Earlier this year I came across an ad in a genealogy magazine for a book offered by the "Mary & John Clearinghouse", with information about the families which came on that ship in 1630. Since there were several volumes, they listed the names for each volume so you could order the correct one. Vol. 17 includes John Strong and Thomas Ford. Today, before I went online looking for something about Strongs & New England History, I was looking in a history book that I have owned for some time, titled "A Worthy Company", by M. E. Bradford, and published by the Plymouth Rock Foundation. In the chapter about founding fathers from Massachusetts, Caleb Strong is included. Of his heritage it says, "Caleb Strong was born in Northampton, Massachusetts, the son of Caleb Strong, tanner, and of Phebe Lyman Strong. He was in direct descent from John Strong, who had emigrated to that section of the state after arriving in Massachusetts in 1630." At this point I have done little that would qualify as actual research--since I got a Family Treemaker program last year I have been "feeding" it information that I already had or gathering information from relatives. I even discovered that a good friend is my 8th cousin through the Bliss family- the same Bliss family that Mary Bliss belonged to! My friend's mother had a 3- volume history of the Bliss family. She is descended from Mary Bliss's younger brother and I am from the oldest brother's line. Imagine my surprise when I found the connection [Joseph Parsons & Elizabeth Strong] between my mother's family and my father's family. I already had that marriage recorded in my program, from the Strong genealogy. There actually are several connections between the Strongs and the Blisses, either directly or through other names, such as Parsons and Warriner. I am interested in additional information about other lines of the Strong family, especially those that lead to historic figures. I teach my children at home, and we are finding history more personal and interesting since we have taken the approach of learning about how our own families lived and died. Thank-you for your time. Bonnie Strong Bronleewe ================================================================== Forwarded by: Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, Al 35757-8801

REPLY TO: [email protected] (Tracey Lamb Sisco) WITH CC TO: [email protected] =============================================================== GUEST REGISTER SUBMISSION THE STRONG QUEST WEB SITE http://ro.com/~rts2/quest =============================================================== NAME AND ADDRESS OF SUBMITTOR: Mrs. Tracey D. (LAMB) SISCO 7927 Evans Ln. Redding, CA U.S.A. 96001 County:  Shasta County E-mail address: [email protected]    PERSONAL INFORMATION: First time visitor?:  Yes First time signed Guest Register?:  Yes Strong Genealogy Mail List subscriber?:   No Age range?:  30-39 Highest level of formal education?:  Bachelor's Degree Employed?:  Employed full time Occupation or career?:  Law How did you learn about The Strong Quest website?:  Look Smart (I Found It! Lines & Lineages) Preferred genealogy database program?:  Family Tree Maker EARLIEST STRONG ANCESTOR: Name:  Silas STRONG Year of birth:  Unknown Place of birth:  Unknown Year of death:  Unknown Place of death:  Unknown Other places of residence?:  Unknown Spouse (direct ancestor):  Hannah RUSSELL Their year of marriage?:  Unknown Their place of marriage?:  Unknown Other spouses, with marriage order?:  Unknown Number of children?:  Unknown Occupation or trade?:  Unknown DESCENT FROM EARLIEST STRONG ANCESTOR: GENERATION 02:  Charles Arthur Strong, married Hortence Elizabeth Delsol who was born in 1861 in San Francisco. Two children: Vivian Bernice and Thelma _?_ GENERATION 03:  Vivian Bernice Strong, born 15 OCT 1901 in Lewiston, Idaho, died SEP 1992 in Flagstaff, Arizona. Married Carl Wimmer in 1916. Three children: Arthur, Bonita Jean, and Beverly Ann. GENERATION 04:  Beverly Ann Wimmer, born 6 AUG 1928 in Klamath Falls, Oregon. Married Murphy Duane Lamb 9 JUN 1962. One child: Tracey Denise Lamb GENERATION 05:  Tracey Denise Lamb, born 16 SEP 1961 in Phoenix, Arizona. 1 child, Michael Alan Christiansen. Married to Brandon James Sisco 7 JUL 1997. GENERATION 06:  Michael Alan Christiansen, born 39 AUG 1977 in Oroville, California. EVALUATION of this web site?:  One of the best I have seen. COMMENTS and/or SUGGESTIONS: Great web site! I don't see any familiar names, but, who knows! Originating Internet Provider's Server Address: 207.211.189.70 Submittor's Browser: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I); Date and Time of submission:  02-Sep-98 11:54 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ COMMENTS BY SITE MANAGER: A search using the Internet Family Finder indicated a person named Silas or Silas A. Strong appeared on the 1860 and 1870 census of California and the 1880 census of Nevada. There was also a Silas A. Strong in South Dakato in 1870 and 1880. The 1880 census of Silas A. Strong should indicate where he believed each of his parents was born. Was there a Charles Strong in the household of Silas Strong in 1860, 1870, or 1880? Did Silas have a wife with the given name of Hannah? The marriages of a Charles A. Strong and a Vivian Bernice Strong, both in Arizona, are indexed on World Family Tree CD #225. Both appeared on the 1910 census of Idaho. The 1910 census of Charles A. Strong in Idaho should indicate where he believed each of his parents was born. ================================================================== FORWARDED BY: Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, Al 35757-8801

I am a descendant of "John HOPKINS of Cambridge, 1634" (his arrival date in MA). In the LDS Ancestral File, it shows John married to Jane STRONG (1615-1679) of Chardstock, daughter of Thomas STRONG (1684-1663) and Joanna BAGGE (ca. 1586-1657). Thomas is shown as son of George STRONG (1556-1636) of Chard, which makes our Jane first cousin to Elder John STRONG. >From what I can gather, the George > Thomas > Jane descent is quite secure. Also, my tree is quite secure from "my" Jane and John HOPKINS on down. However, the only evidence I have that "my" Jane STRONG is the same one who was granddaughter of George STRONG is the LDS Ancestral File. Does anyone have any further support that the Jane STRONG of Chardstock, who was granddaughter to George STRONG of Chard (and first cousin to Elder John STRONG), is the same one who married John HOPKINS of Cambridge? (Our Jane is shown as having a second marriage, to Nathaniel WARD.)

Hi Patty and Dave, Thanks for all of the info. I'll start digging again now that I have an idea where to start. Thanks again - and if I find anything, I'll let you know. Connie

=========1=========2=========3=========4=========5=========6===== On 2 SEP 98, Kimberly wrote to the Strong Mail List regarding "Schim Strang (James Strong): Hi, Everyone, ----------deleted---------- When I first started researching on the Internet I found Emmett Bratt's web page among others dealing with the Strong family. It turns out Emmett is my "cousin" and we are from the Strang family which evolved into the Strongs. My line is mainly from PA and Pennsylvania Dutch. On Emmett's tree my mother's generation is the last. I can add some information on 2 more generations for my twig and will add some more detail when I have the time. ----------deleted--------- Reference: > Emmett W Bratt > 151 Lansdowne Drive > Moon Twp, PA 15108-3027 > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > http://www.geocities.com/~ebratt > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/r/a/Emmett-W-Bratt =========1=========2=========3=========4=========5=========6===== Hi, Kimberly: It has been a quite a long time since I studied Emmett Bratt's data. He was a long time subscriber to the Strong Mail List. For a while messages to his sprynet.com address were bouncing and, as I recall, he was automatically dropped from the Mail List as a consequence and never re-subscribed. He certainly would be welcomed back. You can find some of Emmett's data posted on the Strong Quest and perhaps also The Strong Roots Database. Numerous messages to and from Emmett Bratt on the Strong Mail List are archived on the Rootseb server and can be retrieved there. Search for "Emmett and Bratt" to retrieve all messages that contain both names. Here is the URL of the start page, on which you must enter the name of the Mail List, in this case "Strong". http://newsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl My recollection (which is far from imperfect) is that your ancestor's name was James Strong but when James married into a German family he learned to speak German and took on the German equivalent of his name: Schim Strang. He has been thought to have been of Irish origin but as yet that has not been proved with primary documentation. A review of David B. (Dave) Strong's manuscript, Chapter 13, might be helpful to you here. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 I would be delighted to have you submit your Ancestor Chart via the Guest Register at the Strong Quest web site or submit your GEDCOM for inclusion on the Strong Roots Database. [The invitation is open to any and all subscribers to the Strong Mail List.] The more you publicize your ancestry, the more contacts will result. [Incidentally, one of the best ways to make contacts is by setting up your own web site with your genealogy pages included, then register your web site with all the major (and some minor) search programs and genealogy registers. Free 11 megabyte web sites are available at GeoCities and at Tripod and most Internet Service Providers include one or more megabytes of web space as part of their subscription plans. Alternatively, there are several repositories for donated GEDCOMs. See the Links page of the Strong Quest for URLs.] Here is the "door" to the Guest Register at the Strong Quest web site: http://ro.com/~rts2/quest Wishing you continues success in your Strong / Strang research, "BoB T." Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, Al 35757-8801

To Bob and All who are involved with the Mail Lists, Web Pages, etc.... I surely do agree with Connie....I too am very sad to see we won't have Bob's comments.....And Bob, Do take good care of yourself.....!!! Hope your health will be better very soon! Thanks to you all for all the good information and work you do for all of us...! I know everyone really appreciates all the time and effort....!! Karen Rinnert Parsons > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > THE STRONG ROOTS DATABASE: > http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm > > Strong Ancestor Charts, in GEDCOM to HTML format. > ==========================================================

Hi Gerald... And Everyone Else Thanks for the suggestion. I have added it to the start of a draft of a new HTML page.... Yet to be named, and to be built on and around the Position Paper I floated yesterday. I hope to gather additional suggestions as we go along, with the thought that the page could be posted where it might be viewed from time to time by new and old members alike. My concept is something like having a Mission Statement and a Policy Statement giving further Guidance to members of the Strong-List and the Strong Genealogy Network. I took a further look at BoB's Strong Quest Table of Contents Page, and it contains a lot of good sound introductory information. However, what I have in mind is something that would underpin the existing procedural rules, etc., and give them some "meaning". They have grown, rather like Topsy, through experience and necessity. Most of us understand why they are there. The Mission Statement would be an attempt to verbalize that for everyone. One of the reasons I feel this should be done is that I don't see anyone on the horizon who can/will fill BoB's shoes. I don't have the time, and I am afraid I don't have the "savoir fair" for the job. {:-) We need something to take the place of BoB... and the above is my proposal to do that. I hope others will join in with their suggestions. I don't propose to make this a "big deal"... however, over time I hope the Mission Statement can be discussed, refined, and come to be used in explaining why and how we do things... Any more ideas out there???? As a Post Script to BoB and Theresa... Can one of you provide us with a description of the perameters of the Strong-List... eg., which surnames is it designed to service, etc.???? Thanks David B. "Dave" Strong Email: [email protected] Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 ************************************************************ -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Breithaupt <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 5:01 AM Subject: Suggestion I want to add my appreciation for the work of Bob...he provided help when I needed it. Suggestion: perhaps thought might be given to the new genealogist or the new computer owner or both. Sometimes information is provided that a new person does clearly understand, even though it is standard information to the initiated.

Hi Patty! Thanks for the super job of researching this info! I hope it helps Connie Corbett-Whittier.... at least this proves there were Elliotts in Donegal, and James Strong's wife Prudence Elliott could have originated in one of the families you have found. Just a note for newbies... the "Griffith's" which Patty is referring to below is Griffith's Valuations. These are real property assessment records prepared for each Irish County in the 1860's. They are of obvious value to genealogists... even to those researching emigrants who left BEFORE the 1860's because the townlands (an Irish land division) tended to remain in the hands of other family members, often of the same surname. Thus, if one finds an Elliott in "ALLA" townland, as below, then Alla townland was probably held by an Elliott circa 1809, etc. You then need to identify the Church of Ireland Parish in which the townland is located, and attempt to find any birth/death/marriage records... this is where it gets difficult, because many of the records were burned in the Four Courts Fire... BUT some records DO survive locally. Drumhome Parish in Donegal has local copies of the records going back into the 1790's or before. Also, the land holders in the various townlands were usually TENANT farmers. It is important to try to determine who the land lords were. SOMETIMES there are estate records held in the PRO in Dublin, or in Belfast, which may shed light on who the tenants were... emigration often occurred at the end of 31 year leases... so you can sometimes interpolate who the tenant was if you know when emigration occurred and can compare with the estate lease records. There is more... READ my manuscript! Good hunting! Regards, David B. "Dave" Strong Email: [email protected] Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 ***************** -----Original Message----- From: Pat Horton <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; DBS &/or MD <[email protected]>; Pat Horton <[email protected]> Cc: Dale G. Strong <[email protected]>; Patty Horton <[email protected]>; Tom, Jr., and Tom, Sr., Strong <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: James Strong from Ireland >Here is the info on ELLIOTTS in lower Donegal, say from Ballyshannon >to Inver, in Griffiths (1850s): > >OS Map Townland Name > >103 ALLA Joseph Elliott > George Elliott > William Elliott > >103 BALLYSHANNON > Bishop St. Ann Elliott (lodgers) > Castle St. John Elliott > Back St. Anne Elliott > College St. Edward Elliott > East Port John Elliott > >107&110 ARDLOUGHILL James and John Elliott > > 98 RANEELY James Elliott, sr. and jr. > Jane Elliott > >98 & 99 DRUMCOE Hugh Elliott > > 94 CRAIGROE Francis Elliott > > 99 DRUMGOWAN Wm. Elliott > >101,102 >& 105 DRUMAWARK Jas. & John Elliott > >Now, in the 1901 census there were still Elliotts in >the area as follows: > >Townland Name Religion > >ALLA Thomas Elliott & fam. Meth >KNADER Eliz, Robt & Wm. Elliott >LURGAN James Elliott Meth >TRUMMAN EAST Wm. Elliott Episc >LAGHY Francis Elliott Episc >DRUMBEAG Hugh Elliott Episc >RANEELY Wm. & John Elliott Episc > >A decent amount of Elliotts around! Unfortunately, so many that >perhaps this is of less help than hoped. I did not see (in Griffiths) >any Strongs in the same townlands. However, I did not have the time >nor the >proper maps to check contiguous townlands. Suffice it >to say, however, they both were in the area. > >Hope this helps. I don't think I replied to this in >the correct way but hope you will excuse. > >Patty Horton > > > > >---Pat Horton <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Just read your message on Elliotts and Donegal. Very interesting. >> Yes, I will go home and check this out with the records I have over >> the next two days and get back to you. I have Griffith's Valuation >> for lower Donegal and the 1901 census for same area. That should do >it. >> >> Patty >> >> first time I'm sending a message on this -- hope it goes through! >> Guess it's going to everyone who's interested. >> >> >> ---DBS &/or MD <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Connie... >> > >> > Thanks for the reponse... Some of what you are telling me is >hanging >> > together... >> > >> > 1) Aunt Kate's anecdotal evidence about being from Co. Donegal. >> > 2) Info separately received by copies of correspondance between >> Thelma >> > Southern and Dale G. Strong, to the effect that Dale believed your >> Strongs >> > were from Co. Donegal. If you don't know Dale, he is descended >from a >> > family of Strongs that settled in Morgan County, Ohio... see the >> Lineages >> > Directory for more... also, Dale Strong, Tom Strong, Sr. (copy >> addressees) >> > and I believe we are related back in Co. Donegal, so you and I may >be >> > "cousins" also... it's just a question of tieing the facts down >{:-)! >> > 3) The Donegal Strongs were generally Church of Ireland >> (Anglican)... that >> > ties with being of English descent, and also with your anecdotal >> evidence... >> > (There were a few who were Methodists at the time of emigration >> (Dale's >> > family), but the Methodists started as a reform movement in the >> Anglican >> > religion, and there were Methodists preachers active in Donegal ... >> so the >> > Methodists tie in also.) >> > 4) The Prudence Elliott info... subject to verification, my memory >> seems to >> > dredge up the fact there were Elliotts in Donegal.... Look in >> Tirhugh >> > Barony, Drumholm, Kilbarron and Templecarne Parishes and those >> parishes >> > adjoining... I think Patty Horton (copy addressee) may be able to >> help >> > confirm this... Tom Strong, Sr (copy addressee) may also be able to >> > help.... >> > >> > Keep the info flowing... we may get there yet!! >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > David B. "Dave" Strong >> > Email: [email protected] >> > Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & >Ireland" >> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 >> > >> > ****************************** >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> > Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 12:28 PM >> > Subject: Re: Re: James Strong from Ireland >> > >> > >> > >Dear Dave, >> > > >> > > Don't worry. I consider your response helpful and not a lecture. >> The only >> > >hints I have about James Strong in Ireland is a note from my great >> Aunt >> > Kate >> > >Strong stating they were from Donegal. So far, I have had no luck >> tracing >> > them >> > >there, however, so her note may not be accurate. She was in her 90s >> when >> > she >> > >made the note. >> > > I also agree that the Strongs are probably all related if we can >> get back >> > far >> > >enough. >> > > As for religion, I believe they were Anglican, but my g >> grandfather, James >> > >Decatur Strong, was a Campbellite Christian Church minister (now >> Disciples >> > of >> > >Christ). The rest of the family though is still Episcopalian. >> > > I will send the rest of what I know in a separate posting. Thank >> you for >> > >responding. >> > > >> > >Connie >> > >[email protected] >> > > >> > > >> > >==== STRONG Mailing List ==== >> > >======================================================== >> > >STRONG FAMILY ASSOCIATON OF AMERICA (SFAA) web site: >> > >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4715 >> > > >> > >Strong(e)s of Somerset, Dorset, and Devon Counties, England, >> > >including ancestors of "Elder" John Strong; queries about >> > >descendants of "Elder" John Strong answered by the SFAA >> > >Historian, Robert Sheldon ("Bob") Strong, from his extensive >> > >electronic database. >> > >========================================================== >> > >> > >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> DO YOU YAHOO!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >

Here is the info on ELLIOTTS in lower Donegal, say from Ballyshannon to Inver, in Griffiths (1850s): OS Map Townland Name 103 ALLA Joseph Elliott George Elliott William Elliott 103 BALLYSHANNON Bishop St. Ann Elliott (lodgers) Castle St. John Elliott Back St. Anne Elliott College St. Edward Elliott East Port John Elliott 107&110 ARDLOUGHILL James and John Elliott 98 RANEELY James Elliott, sr. and jr. Jane Elliott 98 & 99 DRUMCOE Hugh Elliott 94 CRAIGROE Francis Elliott 99 DRUMGOWAN Wm. Elliott 101,102 & 105 DRUMAWARK Jas. & John Elliott Now, in the 1901 census there were still Elliotts in the area as follows: Townland Name Religion ALLA Thomas Elliott & fam. Meth KNADER Eliz, Robt & Wm. Elliott LURGAN James Elliott Meth TRUMMAN EAST Wm. Elliott Episc LAGHY Francis Elliott Episc DRUMBEAG Hugh Elliott Episc RANEELY Wm. & John Elliott Episc A decent amount of Elliotts around! Unfortunately, so many that perhaps this is of less help than hoped. I did not see (in Griffiths) any Strongs in the same townlands. However, I did not have the time nor the proper maps to check contiguous townlands. Suffice it to say, however, they both were in the area. Hope this helps. I don't think I replied to this in the correct way but hope you will excuse. Patty Horton ---Pat Horton <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just read your message on Elliotts and Donegal. Very interesting. > Yes, I will go home and check this out with the records I have over > the next two days and get back to you. I have Griffith's Valuation > for lower Donegal and the 1901 census for same area. That should do it. > > Patty > > first time I'm sending a message on this -- hope it goes through! > Guess it's going to everyone who's interested. > > > ---DBS &/or MD <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Connie... > > > > Thanks for the reponse... Some of what you are telling me is hanging > > together... > > > > 1) Aunt Kate's anecdotal evidence about being from Co. Donegal. > > 2) Info separately received by copies of correspondance between > Thelma > > Southern and Dale G. Strong, to the effect that Dale believed your > Strongs > > were from Co. Donegal. If you don't know Dale, he is descended from a > > family of Strongs that settled in Morgan County, Ohio... see the > Lineages > > Directory for more... also, Dale Strong, Tom Strong, Sr. (copy > addressees) > > and I believe we are related back in Co. Donegal, so you and I may be > > "cousins" also... it's just a question of tieing the facts down {:-)! > > 3) The Donegal Strongs were generally Church of Ireland > (Anglican)... that > > ties with being of English descent, and also with your anecdotal > evidence... > > (There were a few who were Methodists at the time of emigration > (Dale's > > family), but the Methodists started as a reform movement in the > Anglican > > religion, and there were Methodists preachers active in Donegal ... > so the > > Methodists tie in also.) > > 4) The Prudence Elliott info... subject to verification, my memory > seems to > > dredge up the fact there were Elliotts in Donegal.... Look in > Tirhugh > > Barony, Drumholm, Kilbarron and Templecarne Parishes and those > parishes > > adjoining... I think Patty Horton (copy addressee) may be able to > help > > confirm this... Tom Strong, Sr (copy addressee) may also be able to > > help.... > > > > Keep the info flowing... we may get there yet!! > > > > Regards, > > > > David B. "Dave" Strong > > Email: [email protected] > > Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 > > > > ****************************** > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 12:28 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: James Strong from Ireland > > > > > > >Dear Dave, > > > > > > Don't worry. I consider your response helpful and not a lecture. > The only > > >hints I have about James Strong in Ireland is a note from my great > Aunt > > Kate > > >Strong stating they were from Donegal. So far, I have had no luck > tracing > > them > > >there, however, so her note may not be accurate. She was in her 90s > when > > she > > >made the note. > > > I also agree that the Strongs are probably all related if we can > get back > > far > > >enough. > > > As for religion, I believe they were Anglican, but my g > grandfather, James > > >Decatur Strong, was a Campbellite Christian Church minister (now > Disciples > > of > > >Christ). The rest of the family though is still Episcopalian. > > > I will send the rest of what I know in a separate posting. Thank > you for > > >responding. > > > > > >Connie > > >[email protected] > > > > > > > > >==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > > >======================================================== > > >STRONG FAMILY ASSOCIATON OF AMERICA (SFAA) web site: > > >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4715 > > > > > >Strong(e)s of Somerset, Dorset, and Devon Counties, England, > > >including ancestors of "Elder" John Strong; queries about > > >descendants of "Elder" John Strong answered by the SFAA > > >Historian, Robert Sheldon ("Bob") Strong, from his extensive > > >electronic database. > > >========================================================== > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Everyone, Thanks for all the notes of welcome as new co-manager! I think we will be getting more volunteers as well. Two people at least have volunteered since I did that's great! When I first started researching on the internet I found Emmett Bratt's webpage among others dealing with the Strong family. It turns out Emmett is my "cousin" and we are from the Strang family which evolved into the Strongs. My line is mainly from PA and Pennsylvania Dutch. On Emmett's tree my mother's generation is the last. I can add some information on 2 more generations for my twig and will add some more detail when I have the time. Emmett has Doris May Strong b 04-01-1929 in Nante Glo PA to Charles Alexander Strong and Lila Cathrine Lebo. She died in July of 1985. she m. Orville Loy Tallmon 04-11-1950 (son of Orville Herbert Tallmon and Irma Kathryn Emmons and decendant of Peter Lebo who is extensively researched on-line) Yvonne Colleen Tallmon b 03-29-54 m Hal Palmer Lisenbee 09/?/1972 Del Andrew Lisenbee b 02-16-1976 Lana Kay Lisenbee b 12-13-1978 James Michael Tallmon PhD. b. 04-14-1956 m Bonnie Jean Patzer 12-13-80 Laura Lee Tallmon b 02-01-1983 Jesse David Tallmon b 11-??-1985 Kathryn Rose Tallmon b 09-??-1990 Jacob Michael Tallmon b 03-03-1993 Kimberly Dawn Tallmon PharmD, LCDR in the United States Public Health Service b 02-21-1965 m John Morris Knutson, Jr 08-24-1991 Robert John Knutson b 12-18-1995 Melanie Kathryn Tallmon b 04-19-1966 Doris' siblings Harry died in WWII he was a Marine and I have his Service Record and Telegram to his mother stating he died and a letter from the company chaplain to his mother about him. Fernne Irene married _______Montgomery 2nd Husband? she died after Doris in the 80's Patsy was living in Colorado last I knew (1984) 2 girls Gloria was living in Colorado Last I knew (1984) an Artist Carol (Carl) married ___________ he is/was a career military Airborne? He wore a Beret but wasn't a green Beret Lives in NC 2 kids ? Lila Jean married Robert Burns she died in 1987? after Doris They lived in Latrobe PA and Bob is still there Laurie married Ron______ Joseph Robert Jr Catherine was mentally retarded and was 2nd to die of the kids Charles married Mary________ Live in PA 2 girls I am hoping that my cousin Laurie, who I can reach through Uncle Bob Burns will have more detail as she and Ron live back in PA with all the other relatives still. Emmett W Bratt wrote: > > > > Thanks ! for visiting my web site. > I am glad that you found some information of use. > If you do not mind sharing your information, when it is ready, > I would be interested in updating what is missing, or bringing it up > to > date. > > If you have any questions or would like some additional > documentation let me know, I have put what I have on a CD > and would be glad to share it. > > > > > > Emmett W Bratt > 151 Lansdowne Drive > Moon Twp, PA 15108-3027 > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > http://www.geocities.com/~ebratt > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/r/a/Emmett-W-Bratt

Bob, Ooops! Sorry 'bout the URL. Yes, you are right. It's .htm, not .html Another good site, if your STRONG's were members of the church, is http://www.disciples.org http://www.disciples.org/historc.htm Ironically, in this case, I am a member of the Disciples historical society not because of my STRONG ties, but because Thomas THOMPSON, my GGG-grandfather on my father's side, was a founder of the Christian Church movement in California. My STRONG ties are much further back and on my mother's side of the family (George STRONGE of Chard, 1556-1635/36). I have found my $20 dues to the Disciples of Christ Historical Society well spent, because they are very cooperative. They are as interested in the genealogies and histories of their members as we are. And as an example, my Aunt is a member of the society, too, and they once loaned her an out-of-print book (through the mail), so she could have it xeroxed! No charge. (Neither of us are members of the church, but that has never seemed to matter to the society.) Diana

James, On the face of it, this unsolicited offer sounds like it could be a scam. Caveat emptor -- and check further before you buy. Red flags are if they want checks or money orders (no credit cards) and have no physical address (only a P.O. Box). They may be legit, but... Diana

OOPS! Excuse my posting. My daughter is always telling me I need to pay more attention to what I'm doing! Looks like she's right.

Here's a site someone just sent me yesterday. I'm researchin LaStrange. THE STRONG QUEST, also known as The Strong Genealogy Mail List Web site. http://ro.com/~rts2/quest I think this is the same one: http://members.tripod.com/~RTStrong/Quest

Kimberly, You will find Emmett's GEDCOM files is located on my Web site at http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/pa/james1/johan2/ebratt/ebratt.htm Many if the Strong Family has submitted their GEDCOM files to be placed on the Strong Roots Database. I provide the storeage space BoB provides hard work! Jim STRONG ROOTS DATABASE http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm Send STRONG GEDCOM FILES to Robert (Bob) T. Strong <[email protected]>

Diana Matthiesen recently reported in a message to The Strong Mail List: >The Disciples of Christ (Christian Church) has an historical society with a web page: > http://users.aol.com/dishistsoc/index.html ================================================================ In an earlier messge Benjamin Dwight was quoted as referring to Rev. William Hardin Strong (b. 1809) of Illinois as a "Campbellite" minister. I suggested he was possibly a minister of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). Replies to the Strong Mail List and my further inquiry indicates that appears to be correct. I thought perhaps there was some more information about Rev. William Hardin Strong at the Disciples of Christ Historical Society, located in Nashville, Tennessee. My attempt to log onto the URL above was not successful, but omitting the /index.html/ worked fine. Aha! the address should be "index.htm" rather than "index.html". I checked the biographical file at this URL: http://users.aol.com/dishistsoc/bio.htm >From that page you can search alphabetical pages, such as: http://users.aol.com/morganpm/s.htm There were nine Strongs listed on this page, but no William Hardin Strong. Blanche C. Riley Charles Walter (1925-1973) Edwin B. (1912- ) Francis Wilburn (1883-1951) Homer Anderson (1903-1946) Julia Deen (1904- ) Minnie Frances Hutcherson Tracy Also, Arthur D. Strongman. Research fees are charged for assisted searches of the records. See this URL: http://users.aol.com/dishistsoc/feesheet.htm For Society members ($20 year), there is no charge for unassisted research except photocopying charges. "BoB T." Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, Al 35757-8801

Hi, I have received a card from The Family Tree, in Boise, ID. It stating that they have a newsletter that contains 100 ALL NEW pedigrees, never before published of folks who came from three counties in upstate NY. Has anyone ever received anything like this or have heard of this company before? James Baldwin Researching BALDWIN, BEMIS, BOWN, BURR, CARTER, CLARK, FISH, GARDNER, HEWETT, HOECKS, HUGHSON, JEKEL, JOHNS, KYSER, MARSH, SANDERSON, SEARLE(S), STANION, STRONG, TAYLOR, TIBBALS, TOMLINSON, TREAT, TUCKER and WEBB.

DBS &/or MD wrote: > > Hi... > > Thanks for your response. Perhaps a bit of clarification is required. My > personal position is that I am, as an "Irish" Strong, interested in > researching first, my own genealogy, which is a problem because of the > infamous Four Courts Fire which occurred in Dublin, Ireland in 1922. > Secondly, I am interested in the overall concept of tracing ALL > Strong(e)/Strang(e) genealogy back as far as possible. It is my personal > belief that the surnames involved EVOLVED from the Breton-Norman surname > "leStrange", which was carried to England from France with the troops of > William the Conquerer in 1066 AD. There are vast possibilities for > variations within that theme, and a few questions will point up some of > them... 1) How did the name get to Scotland, where it generally devolves > Strang->Strange->Strong? 2) How to explain the Strang(e)s of Denmark and > Sweden... were they also derivatives from leStrange? 3) Can we document > "name-change" events which show evolution of the name from leStrange -> > Strange -> Stronge -> Strong? 4) How can we trace the names "back" across > the oceans from America/Canada/Australia/New Zealand/Africa/India/Europe to > England and France? > > You will note that if my interpretation is correct, Strange is the "senior" > of the names Strong or Strange... BUT it is junior to leStrange! However, > I am NOT inclined to engage in silly games of "one-up-manship". It doesn't > matter who is senior. What does matter is that we cooperate to trace the > genealogy involved. It is a massive undertaking. Just because the > Strong-List was started by a "Strong" doesn't make the List or the Strong > Genealogy Network devoted primarily to "Strong" vs leStrange vs Strang or > Strange. It is up to the individual members of the list to set out their > genealogy, their research info and theories, and to persue discussion. > > Frankly, I don't know anything about Lot or Marey Strange. But, I hope > that you will not become discouraged by lack of input from others at the > moment.... Keep bringing up your interests... sooner or later someone will > hopefully make a connection which will help you and indirectly help us all. > One suggestion.... Now that John R. Mayer is no longer with us, I urge all > "Strange" researchers to try to exert a bit of extra effort to help steer > that area of the research. Take John's "Extraneus" and build on it! It is > what John would have wanted, and indeed, he gave us all a great gift in > compiling and recording all of the information contained in the Extraneus > series of books.... That was one of his goals, to give us all something to > build on! > > Indirectly, the foregoing discussion underlines the need for the Strong-List > and the Strong Genealogical Network. We all need to cooperate in the > research. The list and network give us some structure for doing so... Let > us each do our part to keep it operating smoothly! > > Thanks, > > David B. "Dave" Strong > Email: [email protected] > Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 > > ************************************************************ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 5:29 PM > Subject: STRANGE > > >Hello David, I just finished reading and absorbing your message "Position > >Paper: Strong Genealogical Network and Rootsweb Strong-List". Your > message > >is most informative and I thank you and everyone mentioned for your > combined > >efforts. > > > >As a point of clarification, I signed onto the Stronge rootsweb in hopes of > >learning more of my direct ancestor Marey Strange. I am under the > impression > >there are a lot more Strongs than Stranges on this list but I remain listed > in > >the event more information on Strange appears. Also, I have seen some > >discrepancies on the Strong Gen Forum relative to Lot Strange. I have also > >noticed in most work that Marey Strange is listed as "Mary" with a couple > of > >references as "Marcy". One reference I have researched listed her as > "Marey" > >which prompted me to get the original record from the Town of Freetown > Birth > >record page 108 (transcription follows). After reading the original record > >and comparing to olde English, I interpret Mary as Marey and not Marcy. It > is > >certainly not "Mary". I have also given Keith Hume (Chase/Hume lineage a > >certified copy). I would like further discussion of my interpretation and > >hope my contribution will help fellow Strong/Strange researchers. > Elizabeth > >Lanord (Beth) > > > >Lot Strange the first of Freetown was born ye March 4th, 1699 Hannah > Strange > >the wife of the sd Lot Strange was born February 24th, 1701 Lot Strange > the > >Son of the above sd Lot Strange and Hannah wife was born May the 10th, 1720 > >Philip Strange daughter of the above sd parent was born October ye 2th, > 1722 > >John Strange was born Februry the 25th, 1724 Marey Strange was born > November > >the 14th 1725 Abigail Strange was born September ye 24 year 1727 Jacob > >Strange was born January ye 3th 1729 Mallatiah Strange was born September > ye > >24th 1732 Joseph Strange was born Jananery ye 3th 1729 and cesed this life > >May ye 6th 1730 Johnanah Strange was born August the 10th 1734 > > > >The first mentioned Lot Strange died June the 6th 1786 in the 88th year of > his > >age > > > >Lot Strange ye 3rd son of Lot Strange ye 2d and Abigail his wife was born > in > >February ye 27th 1745 > > > > > >==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > >======================================================== > >THE STRONG GENEALOGY NETWORK web site: > >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5744/ > > > >Register of Strong ancestors, by location. > >Links to websites with Strong data (GEDCOM to HTML) > >========================================================== > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) > IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/ > > Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13 > of manuscript, entitled "Lineages". > ========================================================== Dear Dave, Excellent reply...same goes for the L'Estrange's. We are currently working Co. Westmeath,where we have contacted and eliminated 3 of 12 L'Estrange's from ties to our direct family line. We did get good info on other L'Estrange's which i will share in near future. Took aug. off as our grandaughter was with us. Best regards, Jerry L'Estrange

At 10:42 PM 9/2/98 +0100, you wrote: >hi >my name is ruby greenwood (nee STRONG). I am new to the internet and >E_MAIL. any advice or information on the strong family tree in the UK >would be appreciated. >ruby ============================================================= Hello, Ruby! I think you will make more progress if you begin by telling the folks on the Strong Mail List what you already know about your Strongs. A good way to do this is by completing the Ancestor Chart that is integrated into the Guest Register on my Strong Quest web site. There is a hotlink to the Guest Register on the opening page of my web site. http://ro.com/~rts2/index.html Your completed Ancestor Chart will be circulated to all subscribers to the Strong Mail List. Here are a few web sites that contain data on Strongs of Great Britain, particularly England. http://ro.com/~rts2/eng.html /eng-us1.html /eng-us2.html /eng-us3.html /ire.html /scot.html All of the above pages can be accessed from Page 2 of the Table of Contents: http://ro.com/~rts2/toc2.html The Strong Family Association of America (SFAA) web site had data on the English ancestry of John Strong who migrated from Somerset Shire, England, to Massachusetts in 1635. This data was contributed by Martha F. (Brani) Strong. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4715 Martha has another web sites at this URL, called "Welcome to My World": It contains additional data about Strong connections in England, particularly the West Country, or "Wessex" (including Dorset, Devon, and Somerset Counties). http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7905 [Recently I realized that "Welcome to My World" was the name of a song recorded by the country-western singer with a golden voice, the late Jim Reeves.] David B. (Dave) Strong has an electronic manuscript that concerns Strongs, Strangs, L'Estrange, etc., of Great Britain. See particularly his Chapter 13 on Lineages. The emphasis is on Strongs, etc., from Ireland and including Scot-Irish. http://geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 On his personal website, William L. (Bill) Strong, has some data on his Irish ancestry. You should find a link on his Strong Genealogy Network web site. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5744 There are undoubtedly more, but this should keep you busy for awhile. You can perform a search on the Internet Family Finder for anyone named Strong or Stronge, and this long list of "hits" will include Strong and Stronge in England, Ireland, Scotland, or Wales I recommend you begin by searching for Stronge, the more ancient spelling. http://www.familytreemaker.com/ifftop.html There are several genealogy databases you can search online. Links to these are provided at this URL: http://ro.com/~rts2/links.html Keep in mind that there are many errors in some of these early pedigrees. You should attempt to acquire copies of primary (original) source documents wherever possible to document your ancestry. Good Searching. We hope to learn more about your Strong connectons soon. "BoB T." Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, Al 35757-8801