ATTENTION: Charles Strong < [email protected]> The update was simple with the revised Ancestor Chart that you provided. The revised page will be uploaded Wednesday AM. I am forwarding your message to the Strong Mail List so everyone will be aware of your new Web Site. Bob Strong ============================================================ Hello, Bob, I recently developed my own personal genealogy web site at [the following URL]: http://home.earthlink.net/~lkstrong/ When you find the time I would appreciate you updating your Canada page with more current information. Thank you. Charles "Chaz" Strong [email protected] (home) [email protected] (work) =============================================================== E-MAIL: [email protected] [home] [email protected] [work] NAME: Charles (Chaz) Strong ADDRESS: 2809 SW 14th St. Lee's Summit, MO 64081 WEB SITE: http://home.earthlink.net/~lkstrong/ MIGRATION ROUTE: Notre Dame Bay area, Newfoundland, Canada > MA > MO PERIOD: 1811 to present (01) Solomon Strong (b. September 12, 1811, Nfld, d. ABT March, 1894, Nfld) m. 1836, Nfld, Jane Wells (b unk, Nfld, d. April 13, 1888, Nfld) [Jane Wells was sister of John Burge Wells, who married Elizabeth Strong, sister of Solomon Strong.] (02) William Joseph Armstrong Strong (b. ABT 1860, Nfld, d. December 19, 1903, Nfld) m. November 3, 1884, Nfld, Sarah Ann Langdown (b. January 14, 1862, Nfld, d. November 21, 1910, Nfld). (03) Charles Gordon Armstrong Strong (b. August 15, 1885, Nfld, d. July 31, 1959, Nfld), m. September 20, 1911, Nfld, Matilda Marsh (b. October 26, 1888, Nfld, d. June 15, 1958, Nfld) (04) John Howard Strong (b. November 3, 1923, Nfld, living 1997), m. June 26, 1948, Nfld, Jean Myrtle [surname omitted] (b. November 27, 1927, Nfld, living 1997). "Life in A Newfoundland Fishing Village" by John H. Strong can be found at: http://home.earthlink.net/~lkstrong/Fishing.htm (05) Charles Gordon ("Chaz") Strong (b. July 28, 1959, Nfld). ================================================================== FORWARDED BY: Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, AL 35757-8801 Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, Al 35757-8801

ATTENTION: Johnnie D. Hysler <[email protected]> This morning I was searching on the Internet for informaton about a William Taylor Strong and located such a person on your three web sites. However, it was not the William Taylor Strong for whom I was searching. While searching on your web site I noted two glaring errors in the information you have posted about my Strong ancestry. First, you continue to show that my earliest proven ancestor was William Strong of James City County, VA, who died there about 1677. Prior to August 1997, I posted all the information known about this William Strong in several messages to the Strong Mail List. There is absolutely no proof that William Strong was the father of my ancestor, John Strong, Sr., of St. Peter's Parish, probably New Kent County, VA, despite the fact that these two lived in fairly close proximity geographically, but not at the same time. It was 21 years after the last record of William Strong before the first indisputable record of John Strong in 1698. I am disappointed that in the past year or more since I presented these records of William Strong you continue to show him as my ancestor on your web sites. I have previously pointed out that there was a land grant to Robert Hughes in New Kent Co., VA, in 1682 in which John Strong was claimed as a headright. A headright was a person who either transported themself or was transported by another person to the Virginia Colony. That is, they migrated to Virginia from some unknown place outside of the Virginia Colony. Most came from England or elesewhere in the Great Britain. But some were probably transported from other colonies. A 50 acre grant was made to each person who paid for their own or another person's transportation. Robert Hughes did in fact reside in New Kent County. Some of the other headrights he claimed in the same grant, such as Reese Hughes, did in fact settle in New Kent County. There are even documentated records proving that Robert Hughes and my ancestor, Thomas Stanley, were affiliated, at least in the 1790s and early 1800s. Thomas Stanley was the grandfather of Ann Stanley Strong. Are we willing to accept sheer speculation about a connection between William Strong of James City County and John Strong of St. Peter's Parish, probably New Kent County, over the documentation that proves that John Strong was transported to Virginia in 1682 or earlier by Robert Hughes? Second, one generation has been omitted from my ancestry: Mrs. Ann Strong, who was probably the widow of Martin Strong. Martin Strong was born probably before 1730 in Hanover County, VA, and died about 1780 in Hanover County, VA. By 1781, the widow Ann Stanley Strong was residing in Goochland County, VA. She was the daughter of John Stanley, 1st ("the eldest") of Cedar Creek, western Hanover County. Martin Strong was a landowner in western Hanover County in 1763, per the only real estate tax list of that area that was preserved for the pre-1782 period. All other Strongs who could possibly have been the husband of Ann Stanley Strong have been ruled out. All but Sherwood Strong, 1st, had wives by other names. Sherwood Strong's military land grant right, for service in the French and Indian Wars, was inherited by his brother, Martin Strong, in 1779, proving that Sherwood had no children in 1779, whereas Ann Stanley Strong did have children in 1779. Ann Stanley Strong could thus not have been the widow of Sherwood Strong, 1st. To recap about the other probable sons of John Strong, Jr.: William Strong had a wife named Francis Johnson; John Strong, III, had a wife named Elizabeth; Nathan Strong had a wife named Catherine "Callichan" (Callahan). Besides Martin Strong, 1st, and Shewood Strong, 1st, no other probable sons of John Strong, Jr., have been demonstrated. There was another, possibly related, family of Strongs who arrived in Hanover County in the mid-1760s. The sons in this family (John, Martin, William, George) were born after Ann Stanley of Hanover County was married to Mr. Strong. Of course, your own ancestor, William Strong. Sr., and his family were in eastern Hanover County probably through the 1750s but the men in that family migrated to Lunenburg / Halifax / Pittsylvania / Henry County, VA, area beginning in 1762 or earlier. The estate of William Strong, Jr., son of William Strong, Sr., was being settled in Hanover County in 1770, with his brother, John Strong, of Pittsylvania County, inheriting his property, proving that William Strong, Jr., also had no children in 1770. James, John, and Thomas Strong, sons of William Strong, Sr., and William Strong, Sr., himself, are all accounted for in south central Virginia at some time during the period 1762 to 1777. Ann Stanley Strong apparently married without parental consent, about late 1753 or early 1754, as she was excommunicated in 1754 for marrying a non-Quaker. So she was of legal age and thus born 1733 or earlier. Her last legal record in Goochland County, VA, was in 1803, but she may have been the elderly woman residing with her son, John Strong, in Buckingham County at the time of the 1810 census. We can say for certain that she died 1803 or later; she probably died in either Goochland or Buckingham County, VA. So my descent is thus: John Strong, Sr. > John Strong, Jr. > Martin Strong, 1st > Sherwood Strong, 3rd > Isham S. Strong > G. Wyatt Strong > George W. Strong (Jr.) > Robert T. ("R.T.") Strong > Robert T. ("Bob") Strong, Jr. Martin Strong m. Ann Stanley is the generation that was omitted. The correction of these errors on your web sites will be greatly appreciated. Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, AL 35757-8801 E-Mail: [email protected] =============================================================== On 29 JUL 1997, Johnnie Hysler wrote: > Robert T. (Bob) Strong, Jr. > Hey Bob, Thanks for the information on William Strong. I have been > trying to obtain a copy of Jim Rolfs book, but havent had any luck. I > wrote Jim a letter trying to find a copy a couple years ago, but got no > response, and then sent him an e-mail a couple weeks ago. I got an > opportunity to look at a copy for about 15 minuets 4 years ago. > I think you blew a hole in our family connection with William. > OOPS!!! > JD Hysler =================================================================

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 9/28/98 11:16:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] > writes: > > << http:www.gov/foia/foia_guide.htm >> > Hi, > I tried this site and it comes back invalid syntax. Would you check it > please, I am very happy you sent it, and I would like to take advantage of > this "painless" way of ordering. > Thanks, > Carla Put two "//" after "http:" -- like so: http://www.gov/(etc) Robert W. Strong "WHERE DO WE GO WHEN WE DIE? Graduate School of Library he said. & Information Science I DON'T KNOW, the man said. University of Texas at Austin WHERE ARE WE NOW?" [email protected]

============================================================ GUEST REGISTER SUBMISSION THE STRONG QUEST http://ro.com/~rts2/quest/anc-ndx1.html ============================================================ >NAME AND ADDRESS OF SUBMITTOR: (Nancy) Carolyn STRONG [ Please do not call me "Nancy"! :)) ] 2911 W. North Street Tampa, FL U.S.A. 33614 County:  Hillsborough County E-mail address: [email protected]    >PERSONAL INFORMATION: First time visitor?:  No First time signed Guest Register?:  No Strong Genealogy Mail List subscriber?:   Yes Age range?:  50-59 Highest level of formal education?:  Bachelor's Degree Employed?:  Employed full time Occupation or career?:  Controller at a sporting goods mfg plant How did you learn about The Strong Quest website?:  Strong Genealogy Mail List Preferred genealogy database program?:  Gene 4.2.1 genealogy software for the Power Mac >EARLIEST STRONG ANCESTOR: Name:  John Strong, Sr., of St. Peter's Parish, probably New Kent Co., VA Year of birth:  Unknown but 1675 or earlier Place of birth:  Unknown. Probably ENG or VA; possibly MD. Year of death:  Unknown but after 1703 Place of death:  Unknown; possibly New Kent Co., VA Other places of residence?:  Unknown Spouse (direct ancestor):  Unknown Their year of marriage?:  Unknown Their place of marriage?:  Unknown Other spouses, with marriage order?:  Unknown Number of children?:  Only three proven: John, William, George Occupation or trade?:  Unknown. Possibly farm laborer. [He was not assessed land taxes in VA in 1704.] >DESCENT FROM EARLIEST STRONG ANCESTOR: GENERATION 02:  William Strong, christened 5 JAN 1700 (OS)= 16 JAN 1701 (NS), St. Peter's Parish, probably New Kent Co., VA; d. aft. 25 JUL 1770, when he was then residing in Pittsylvania Co., VA. It is uncertain when he relocated; one son relocated by 1762. His wife has not been identified. GENERATION 03:  Thomas Strong, Sr., b. 16 DEC 1739 (OS)= 27 DEC 1739 (NS), Hanover Co., VA. He was residing in Pittsylvania County, VA, in 1775 and is presumed to have died there in late 1775 or soon thereafter. No later records have been found. Thomas Strong's wife / widow has not been proven. Thomas Strong possibly married Mary _?_ or Elizabeth _?_, probably in Hanover, Halifax or Pittsylvania Co., VA. Mrs. Mary Strong and (Mrs.?) Elizabeth Strong were residents of Rockingham County, NC, formerly Guilford County, NC, subsequent to 1775. Mrs. Mary Strong was enumerated on the 1790 census of Rockingham County, NC, with one son born 1774 or earlier, four sons born 1775-1790, and five possible daughters of unspecified age. The husbands or consorts of Mary Strong and Elizabeth Strong have not been positively identified; both had sons named Strong. William S. Strong, below, has been purported to have been a son of Mrs. Mary Strong of Rockingham Co., NC. GENERATION 04:  William S. Strong, b. ca. 1768, probably Hanover, Halifax or Pittsylvania Co., VA; d. 1848 Breathitt Co., KY; m. 1785, Jane ("Jennie") Callahan of Scott Co., VA. He resided Rockingham Co, NC; Russell Co., VA; Scott Co., VA; Floyd Co., KY; Clay Co., KY; Perry Co., KY, and Breathitt Co., KY. (Some of these were changes of county juridictions rather than physical relocations.) GENERATION 05:  William Blackburn Strong, b. 1800 Scott Co., VA; d. ca. 1870, Lick Branch, Breathitt Co., KY; m. 1821, Jemima Deaton, in VA. GENERATION 06:  Edward ("Red Ned") Callahan Strong, b. 15 NOV 1823. Strongville, Clay Co., KY; d. 20 FEB 1911 Breathitt Co., KY; m. 1846/7. Nancy Haddix. GENERATION 07:  Walter C. Strong, b. OCT 1860, Breathitt Co., KY; m. Margaret Landrum (d/o Margaret Brashear and Reuben Washington Landrum) Generation 08:  Greenville Washington Strong, b. MAY 1888 Breathitt Co., KY; m. Eliza Little Generation 09:  Robert Charles Strong, b. DEC 1920, Breathitt Co., KY; m. Jo Karen Cundiff EVALUATION of this web site?:  One of the best I have seen. COMMENTS and/or SUGGESTIONS: I also have found a "strong" connection on my mother's side. Edward Callahan Strong's sister, Susanah ("Susan") Strong, {Generation 6}, b. 1822, Strongville, Clay Co. KY, m. Wiley H. Cope. Their daughter, Louisa Cope (b 1845 Breathitt Co., KY), married James G. Gillum (b. 1862, Breathitt Co KY). Sarah Jane Gillum (d/o Louisa Cope and James G. Gillum), b. 11 APR 1873, Breathitt Co., KY; m. Harlan Wellington Brown at Wolfe Co. KY; Sarah Jane died 9 APR 1946, Breathitt Co., KY. Their daughter, Alwilda Brown, b. 16 FEB 1899, Breathitt Co., KY, d. 5 MAY 1997, Tampa, Hillsborough Co, FL, married Bruce Cundiff on 9 DEC 1925 in Breathitt Co., KY. They are my mother's parents (Jo Karen Cundiff Strong). Sarah Jane Gillum was also married to James Osborne Robertson of Breathitt Co., KY, and they had five children: Ira, Lula, Ida, James and Pryce. No other information on James O. Robertson has been found. Thank you, Bob T. Strong, and all you other cousins, for the help and guidance you have given me! I started here just a few months ago with only one name, Walter Strong and look where I am now! If I keep on like this I could become dangerous. :) Originating Internet Provider's Server Address: 153.37.184.251 Submittor's Browser: Mozilla/4.5b1 (Macintosh; I; PPC); Date and Time of submission:  26-Sep-98 10:20 PM =============================================================== FORWARDED BY: Robert T. ("BoB T.") Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, AL 35757-8801

I am confused. I have found sources that say "Elder" John who m.Abigail FORD was son of a John STRONGE and other sources that say he was son of Richard STRONG & Eleanor DEANE. Which is correct or at least the most probable? TIA, CoraLynn ne TN [email protected]

Hello Someone sent a message about receiving a social security application. Where can I find out more about that? I have looked up some names in the Social Security Death Index, but usually I do not find out more than I already know, although I do find the number. It sounds like the application would have more information. Thanks for your help Constance H.

Hi All, If you haven't checked out www.ancestry.com website recently, give it another look. They have a free social security index and new link that takes the name and social security number you choose and automatically inserts it into a form letter to send to the social security administration. All you have to do is sign it and put it in an envelope with a 7.00 check and you're in business. I was quite impressed. It's free and a great service to all researchers! Sherri

Hi Gerald - Sorry to answer to the list but you didn't put your email addy on your question to Bob. Took the liberty of answering your question. Hope you don't mind. I was directed to http:www.gov/foia/foia_guide.htm If you go to that site, it will print the letter for you and all you have to do is send it along with a check for $7 to Baltimore. Can't be any easier than that. I had mine back in about 4 weeks. Good luck to you in your search. It did help that I already had the SS # for both my father and grandfather and I asked for both applications so I really hit paydirt. Peace and tranquility, Helen STRONG Pond IBSSG Researching STRONG, WHITE, FOSTER, CHEATHAM ---------- > From: Gerald Breithaupt <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: SOCIAL SECURITY > Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 10:19 AM > > Bob - Helen Pond wrote concerning finding her grandfather's social > security application which gave her some additional information re: > her family. Do you know what the procedure is, and if so could you > advise me? Thanks Gerald O. Breithaupt > > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > Address to subscribe or cancel subscription for MAIL-MODE: > <[email protected]> > > Address to subscribe or cancel subscription for DIGEST-MODE: > <[email protected]> > ========================================================== > To subscribe, send 1 word message: subscribe > > To cancel subscription, send 1 word: unsubscribe > ========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

In a message dated 9/28/98 11:16:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << http:www.gov/foia/foia_guide.htm >> Hi, I tried this site and it comes back invalid syntax. Would you check it please, I am very happy you sent it, and I would like to take advantage of this "painless" way of ordering. Thanks, Carla

Bob - Helen Pond wrote concerning finding her grandfather's social security application which gave her some additional information re: her family. Do you know what the procedure is, and if so could you advise me? Thanks Gerald O. Breithaupt

For those interested in the father of John A. FIELDS: I looked in the DAR Patriot index over the weekend and located a record for Nathaniel FIELDS (Part I P.1016) b. ca 1720 VA, d. 1 Apr 1777 m. Mary ? He was a Private in a Virginia company ( PVT VA) So, now you know he did serve in the Rev. War Unfortunately, the record did not say anything else. Lindsey DiCosola [email protected] ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hello one and all. I sent for my grandfather's SS app about a month ago and received it yesterday. For those who have had a long wait, I don't know what to suggest. I was very pleased that it only took a month to get it. So now I have to get down to work again. Up till now, I have been looking at Chilicothe, Ohio which is where I was told my grandfather was born. Wrong answer. He was apparently born in Wilkesville, Ohio to Horatio Benton STRONG m. Allie FOSTER. Does anyone have any information on this union? According to the application, he (my grandfather Harley Franklin STRONG) was born on Mar. 23, 1901. He applied for his SS card at the age of 35 when he was a watchmaker for Claude S. Bennet Jewelers in Atlanta. He went on from there to open his own shop in Galveston, Texas somewhere around 1950 and stayed there until his death in 1975. The last time I saw him, I was only 7 years old, so I don't have much other information and my father has long since passed away. If anyone has any information, please contact me. Thanks so much. Helen STRONG Pond IBSSG Researching STRONG, WHITE, FOSTER, CHEATHAM

ATTENTION: Martha Strong <[email protected]> ======================================================= BoB, Has anyone looked at the history of Guilford. To see who was there first etc. and where they came from. << Elizabeth Strong in Guilford / Rockingham Co., NC, Martha ========================================================== My apologies to all for my many clerical (typing) errors and poor proofreading. In the Subject of my last message on this topic, the date of birth for Thomas Strong should have been 1739 rather than 1735, per the William Strong, Sr., family birth register. The John Strong in the Subject of this messge was the son of Elizabeth Strong of Guilford and Rockingham Counties, NC. Yes, Martha, a review of the Guilford County, NC, records was included in Jim Rolff's manuscript. I personally doubled checked the Guilford County records, too. However, I noted that the Grantor Index for surnames N-Z for Deed Book 2, for years 1779-1783, was missing. Thus both Rolff and I may have overlooked some deeds of purchase by Strongs. Descendants of William Strong, Sr., should obtain Deed Book 2 on microfilm and scan the pages for Strongs. However, Guilford County Deed Book Two has been abstracted and was published in 1993 by Timothy Kearney. Abstracts of Deed Book One were published in 1990 by William D. Bennett. No Strongs were indexed in Bennett's volume (which seems to be an ommission). The earliest record of John Strong in Guilford County was in 1780 when he purchased land (17 FEB) and was granted additonal land (1 MAR), both tracts on Buffalo Island Creek, later in Rockingham County. I went back even farther and checked the records of Orange County, NC, from which Guilford County was formed in part in 1770. No Strongs were found in the Orange County records. The sucession of counties was that Rockingham County was created out of Guilford County and that Guilford County was created, at least partly, out of Orange County. John Strong, son of William Strong, Sr., was in Pittsylvania County, NC, in FEB 1777 when he was a militiaman and was nominated to be a Lieutenant in the militia. In 1777, John Strong still owned 100 acres in Pittsylvania County, VA. He and his son, Sneed Strong, were apparently living on the land, The tax assessed was for 100 acres and two tithes. [For this tax year a tithe was apparently age 16 years or over. For some years a tithe was age 21 or over.] I could not find these two in the same tax precinct for years 1778 and 1779, although John Strong continued to own land in Pittsylvania until at least 1788 {two deeds of sale recorded in 1789 in Pittsylvania County from John Strong of Guilford County, NC). [At the Pittsylvania County, VA, Court House I found the "Vestry Book of Camden Parish, 1767-1852, Pittsylvania County". This volume might contain valuable information about the Strongs who lived there from the early 1760s (e.g., James Strong and Samuel Crowley, then of Halifax County, witnessed 1762 will of John Turner). The volume was not indexed and I did not have time to scan it. Efforts should be made by descendants of William Strong, Sr., to determine if this Vestry Book is available via loan from the LDS Family History Center. The volume should be read carefully for information about the Strongs and Crowleys. The tradition in the Crowley family is that Samuel Crowley was the husband of Elizabeth Strong, daughter of William Strong, Sr.] The earliest legal record for Elizabeth Strong was a deed of purchase recorded in Guilford County, dated September, 1783. So John Strong appears to have been the first Strong to own land in Guilford County, NC, judging from the deeds. Elizabeth Strong was the second Strong to own land there. But they were preceded by Mary Strong, who appears on a list of members of the Martimony Primitive Baptist Church, dated 17 SEP 1776, according to Rolff's account. I have not personally reviewed those church records. In 1776, the church would have been in Guilford County. Incidentally, while visiting the genealogy collection in the public library in Rockingham County, located in Madison, there was a map on the wall that showed the location of various land owners, including John Strong and Sneed Strong. The locaton of Matrimony Baptist Church was shown on the map and there was a notation that the Matrimony Primitive Baptist Church apparently shared the building with the Center Meeting House of the Society of Friends (Quakers). The map was published by The Custom House, Jamestown, NC. The print was so small I had difficulty reading the address. The Post Office Box may have been 549. The map was titled "Rockingham County, NC, Historical Documentation". So we have Thomas Strong who disappears after 1775, a Mary Strong who appears in 1776 [but who could have been the wife of James Strong, who owned land on the same creek just across the state line from the Martimony Baptist Church], Elizabeth Strong (possiby a widow, possibly not) whose first record is dated 1783, and the widow Mary Strong who appears on the 1790 census of Rockingham County. These may be the same or two different Mary Strongs. Are you confused yet?! My point is that we have two Strong women, both assumed to be widows, but we have only one candidate to be their husbands: Thomas Strong. There appears to be one Strong male missing from these records, yet all of William Strong's sons are accounted for. Since we have two Strong women who could have been the widow of Thomas Strong, in my opinion it is an error for the purported descendants of Thomas Strong, Sr., to totally ignore one of them: Elizabeth Strong. Someone needs to do some more intensive research to try to resolve these perplexing questions. The situation is very similar to my own lineage. I can prove descent from Mrs. Ann Strong of Goochland County, VA. Circumstantial evidence indicates she was probably the widow of Martin Strong of Hanover County. I cannot prove, indisputeably, that Martin Strong is my ancestor. The many Strongs who claim that they are descended from Thomas Strong, Sr., cannot prove that, either, in my opinion. All that can be proved is descent from Mrs. Mary Strong of Rockingham County, NC. That she was the widow of Thomas Strong is conjectural. There is a plausible second alternative, as explained in my earlier message, that Elizabeth, rather than Mary, was the widow of Thomas. I hope that some descendant of Strongs of Rockingham County will be motivated enough to further research this topic and find definitive evidence one way or the other. Some of the proof may be in the Vestry Book of Camden Parish, Pittsylvania County, VA, which has not been researched by any descendant of this Strong lineage to my knowledge. "BoB T." Strong Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, Al 35757-8801

I see Old Bob is sniffing around again. Why ????????

BoB, Has anyone looked at the history of Guilford. To see who was there first etc. and where they came from. << Elizabeth Strong in Guilford / Rockingham Co., NC, Martha

Hi, Carolyn: Your revised and expanded Ancestor Chart, posted on the Guest Register, Strong Quest web site, on Saturday, 26 SEP 98, has been received. Before I forward this to the Strong Mail List and archive it on the Strong Quest site, I would like to request clarification of your Third Generation, to follow. "Generation 03:  Thomas Strong b 12/1739 at Hanover Co VA; m Elizabeth Lewis; d 1778/79 poss Rockingham Co NC" Would you please cite your documentation for the marriage of Thomas Strong and Elizabeth Lewis? To my knowledge there is no record that positively and indisputeably identifies the wife of Thomas Strong. His last two documented records were in Pittsylvania County, VA, in 1775. Records of a Mary Strong and family are found in the Matrimony Primitive Baptist Church, on the Matrimony Creek in Rockingham County, NC, beginning in 1776. A Mary Strong appears as the head of a household in Rockingham County, NC, at the time of the 1790 and 1800 census. Jim Rolff's assessment was that Mary Strong was the widow of Thomas Strong. The maiden name of this Mrs. Mary Strong is unknown. As I have pointed out on a number of instances, most recently only a day or two ago, there was also an Elizabeth Strong in Guilford / Rockingham Co., NC, who had two proven sons: John Strong and Alexander Martin Strong (aka Alexander Strong Martin). The father of this John Strong has not been identified. Could the father have been Thomas Strong? Elizabeth Strong's records begin in Guilford County, NC, in 1783 and continue past 1812 in Rockingham County. In 1807, Elizabeth Strong was named as a legatee in the will of her consort, Gov. Alexander Martin of NC. In 1812 she conveyed land to [her son?] John Strong, witnessed by her son, Alexander S. Martin. [There were other John Strongs in the county.] Was there another adult female named Elizabeth Strong in Rockingham County in 1812 and 1830? If not, then Elizabeth Strong was still living, as in 1812 she and Elizabeth Sneed were witnesses to the Last Will and Testament of "Rece" Price and in 1830 these two proved the will. Assuming that Elizabeth Strong was the widow of a Strong male, then she was widowed prior to the birth of Alexander Martin Strong, who was fathered by Gov. Alexander Martin. When was Alexander Martin Strong born? He was not reported to be a minor in the will of Gov. Alexander Martin, thus he was at least 21 years of age in 1807, or born 1784 or earlier. This is consistent with Elizabeth Strong's first known legal record, which was dated 1783, implying she was then widowed. The 1800 census of Elizabeth Strong showed she had a son age 10 to 15 years, thus born 1785 to 1790. A birth year around 1785 seems to be the best estimate for Alexander Strong Martin.. Could John Strong, son of Elizabeth, have been fathered by Thomas Strong? Assuming John Strong was a legal adult in FEB 1797 when Elizabeth Strong deeded him personal property, then John was born FEB 1776 or earlier and would have been conceived in 1775 or earlier. So, yes, he COULD POSSIBLY have been the son of Thomas Strong who is assumed to have died in 1775 or 1776. [The gift of household items and stock suggest that John Strong married and set up housekeeping in 1797.] With so many John Strongs in Rockingham County, it has been difficult to trace John Strong, son of Elizabeth Strong. His descendants have not been identified. Information about Alexander Strong Martin is in the archived messages to the Strong Mail List at Rootsweb. Doesn't anyone have any opinions about this theory, which is at variance with the commonly held view, which was based on the assessment of Jim Rolff and published in his book? Prove my thesis is incorrrect! Prove that Mary Strong was the widow of Thomas Strong. Or prove that Elizabeth Lewis was the wife of Thomas Strong. "BoB T." Strong Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, Al 35757-8801

To everyone (not singling out anyone in particular), Please put SURNAMES in all caps. (And please do not put anything else in all caps.) I am on many mail-lists and cannot take the time to read every post line-by-line in the faint hope that it might contain something pertaining to my family's pedigree -- because the vast majority of messages do not pertain to my family pedigree. So all I do is scan new messages for SURNAMES, either filing or deleting each message as I go through them in my Inbox. But if the surnames in a message aren't capitalized, I *automatically delete the message*, without either reading or scanning it. I know that many list-members do the same and for the same reasons (precious little time to do research), so I am not asking just for myself. And it is to your own benefit, not just others, that you put SURNAMES in your messages in all caps -- because that way more people will actually read your messages. Please pull back and scan this message. See how the word "SURNAMES" stands out? That is the effect you want. And see how the word surnames does not stand out here and in second paragraph above where I did not put it in all caps. That is the effect you don't want. Thank you. Diana P.S. If you want a particular line in a pedigree to stand out over the others, it is customary to use an asterisk* to emphasize a name (i.e., please do not un-all-caps some names just to make others stand out). -- Every pedigree is a working hypothesis.

Extracts from Robert E. Strong's message and Robert T. Strong's reply: ============================================================== Attention: "Bob T" Strong, Jr.... I am still trying to find the parents of Hiram Strong, who lists his age as 41 and his state of birth as TN in the 1850 Census for Newton Co., MO.... Thanks. Robert E. Strong, Jr. =============================================================== Hi, Bob,,, Sandra Strong Rolff, wife of James R. ("Jim") Rolff <[email protected]> is a direct descendant of Hiram F. Strong. ---------- Rolff gave these data about Hiram F. Strong, M. D.. He was born 28 MAY 1819 in Scott Co., VA, a son of Thomas Strong and Annie Fields Strong, formerly of North Carolina. In 1841 he married, first, Phoebe Jane Godsey. He married, second, Nancy M. Preston. He married, third, "Francy". Hiram and Phoebe Strong relocated in 1849 to Johnson County, Kentucky, where he appeared on the 1850 through 1880 census. A second Hiram Strong is mentioned on Page 156 or Rolff's manuscript. This Hiram was born about 1836-1838 in Virginia; he was shown on the 1850 and 1860 census of Samuel Strong of Scott Co., VA. A third Hiram Strong--Hiram K. Strong--was the son of William Strong of Scott Co., VA. Hiram K. Strong was born in June, 1859, in Virginia, per his 1900 census record in Scott Co., VA. "BoB T." ============================================================== ERRATA: I was incorrect in reporting in a message earlier today, 26 SEP, that Sandra Marie Strong Rolff was a descendant of Hiram F. Strong. She descended from Hiram F. Strong's brother, William Dodson Strong, as follows: 1. Thomas Strong m. Annie Fields; resided Scott Co., VA 2. William Dodson Strong 3. John W. Strong 4. Thomas Martin Strong 5. Elmer Wharton Strong 6. Sandra Strong m. James R. Rolff I also overlooked that there were two persons named Hiram F. Strong in Rolff's book. Hiram F. Strong, #2, was born in 1844 in Greene Co., TN, and died while a prisoner of the Confederate Army in 1864, when he was hospitalized at Augusta, GA. He had only one child, a daughter, Mahala F. Strong. This is Hiram Strong # 3 in the discussion below. ============================== Reviewing the information about Hiram Strongs in STRONG FAMILY HISTORIES, VOLUME V, the information about one of the Hiram Strongs in not consistent with Jim Rolff's report. I am not certain which is correct. And I also found a fourth "Southern Strong" named Hiram. Let me talk about him first. 1. Beginning on Page 581 in STRONG FAMILY HISTORIES #V is a section about "Thomas Strong of Virginia". It is my opinion that this Thomas Strong was a son of David Strong of Campbell and Charlotte Counties, Virginia, and Giles County, Tennessee. I will not go into details. In 1850 this Thomas was residing in Lauderdale County, Alabama, just over the state line from Giles County, Tennessee. In his household were six children, five of whom were born in Tennessee in the 1830s. Some of his children later migrated back into Giles County. According to the account in STRONG FAMILY HISTORIES, #V, one of the children of Thomas Strong was Hiram Newton Strong, born on 23 OCT 1850, too late to be included on the 1850 census. He was thus the son of Mrs. Lydia Loving, who was the second Mrs. Thomas Strong; they were married in early 1850 in Lauderdale County. The date of birth for Hiram Newton Strong is not supported by the 1850 census record, though, which shows a son, Oliver (?) Strong, age one month, thus born in May, 1850. How could Mrs. Lydia Strong have another child five months later? Correspondence, including family records, received from Michael William ("Mike") Strong, 7740 Sentinel Trail, Indianapolis, Indiana 46250, in 1983 mentioned that he had been in contact with a Morris Strong, a grandson of Hiram Newton Strong. Mike said that other records concerning this Thomas Strong family came to him from a June R. Ring, 1925 Sunset Road, Dora, FL 32757. Efforts should be made to find the 1860 census of Thomas Strong and family to document a son, HIram, age about age 9 or 10 years. Lydia Strong reportedly died in 1854. Thomas may have also died by 1860 so Hiram may have been residing with an older brother in 1860. Some of Thomas Strong's sons were residing in Giles County, TN, in 1870 but I did not find Hiram Strong there. ============================= On Page 444 in a section titled "Thomas Strong, Jr., of Rockingham County, North Carolina, and Scott County, Virginia". Three Hiram Strongs are listed on Page 444 and a fourth on Pages 448 and 450. 2. The first was a son of Thomas Strong, Jr., and Annie Fields. "Hiram Strong, b. May 28, 1819, d. after 1888." 3. The son of William Dodson Strong, M.D., who was a son of Thomas and Annie (Fields) Strong: "Hiram F. Strong, b. ca 1844, d. Feb. 25, 1864." This family is continued on Page 447, where the same dates are reported. Added was that he was in the Union Army during the War Between the States and that he died while a prisoner of war at Augusta, GA. He married Martha Jane Jones, who married, second, William Hawkins. 4. The son of Samuel Strong, who was another son of Thomas and Annie (Fields) Strong. "Hiram Strong, b. ca. 1840 in Scott Co., VA, d. around the time of the Civil War." 5. Another grandson of Thomas and Annie (Fields) Strong was Hiram M. Strong, b. 1859 in Scott Co., VA; died 1923 Scott Co., VA. He was a son of William C. R. Strong. [Hiram M. on 1870 census; Hiram K. on 1900 census.] There was no indication in either of these two books that any of these Hiram Strongs went to Missouri. There are some additional Hiram Strongs in STRONG FAMILY HISTORIES #V. 6. Page 25: Hiram Strong (1800-1846), son of Cyrus Strong of New England and Illinois. Page 39: Hiram Strong (b. ca. 1805; d. bef. 1848, Champaign, Illinois.) 7. Page 98: Hiram Strong (1860, WI - 1914, WI), son of John Elmer Strong and grandson of Henry Strong. 8. Page 101: Hiram Strong (1839, NY - 1930, IA). Ancestry unknown. 9. Page 151: Hyrum Strong, b. 1845, IL, son of Jacob Strong, grandson of James Strong (aka Schim Strang) of York Co., PA. 10. Page 160: Hirum Ulysses Strong (b. 1868; d. 1937, PA), descended from James Strong of York Co., PA 11. Page 218: Hiram Strong, b. 1861, son of Orson Webster Strong, and grandson of Asa Strong of CT and NY.] 12. Page 313: Hyram M. Strong, b. 1872, son of John Allen Strong and grandson of Samuel C. Strong and Great-Grandson of Mastin Strong, of VA, TN, AL. None of these Hiram Strongs are of the right age or were in the right place to be the Hiram Strong for which Robert E. Strong, Jr., is searching. Perhaps the first four update volumes by the Strong Family Association of America (SFAA) should be checked for a Hiram Strong born about 1809. Remember that not all Strongs in Tennessee were "Southern Strongs". Particularly there was Joseph Churchhill Strong of Knox County, TN, who was a descendant of John Strong of MA and CT. Remember, too, that the nativities reported on Census Records were often incorrect. They were often inconsistent from on census to another census. "BoB T." Strong Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, Al 35757-8801

Hi All, We had a wonderful and informative time in the land of my STRONG ancestors. NY and MA are beautiful this time of year. All though the leaves had not completely changed color. We are making arrangements to return next year. We had the pleasure meeting some very nice helpful people while hunting for cemeteries and records. I would like to public express my thanks to the Historical Association of South Jefferson Co., 9 East Church St., Adams, NY 13605. E-mail [email protected] In Rodman, NY we found Gulf Stream Cemetery to be in somewhat of a mess. Due to vandals and a storm on Labor Day week - end. To think I was able to stand on the stone mill floor of my Great Great Grand Father Nathan STRONG. I can now understand why he moved to Rodman, NY. We stopped at the house in front of the Mill asking for permission to take pictures of the Mill. The young lady who came to the door told us they had just moved there three weeks earlier, but heard the mill and tannery to have belonged to Nathan Strong many years ago. A check of the records provided this to be true! The Bridge Street Cemetery (place of JOHN STRONG stone marker) in Northampton, Ma has so many beautiful STRONG tombstones. We hope to record more next year. Deerfield Historical section was somewhat of a disappointment for us. They know nothing of the Chair of Gov. E. STRONG of Ma. We later found it was still in storage waiting to be displayed. We will return next year! Name of some of the STRONGS found at Gulf Stream Cemetery Rodman, NY D.C. STRONG b. 1818 d. 11/16/181859 LAVINA C. STRONG b.12/1823 d. 4/12/1855 HENRY C. STRONG b. 1791 d. 4/26/1876 MABEL HARRIET STRONG b. 1814 d. 12/12/1817 PHEBE J. STRONG b. 7/20/1826 d. 8/14/1863 SARAH STRONG b. 1795 d. 11/25/1866 I was just wondering if any of the STRONGS searchers out there are related to any of of the above. Jim ****************** [email protected] ****************** STRONG ROOTS DATABASE http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm Send STRONG GEDCOM FILES to Robert (Bob) T. Strong <[email protected]>

Attention: "Bob T" Strong, Jr. and anyone else familiar with the 1820 Strongs of Smith Co., TN and/or the children of Thomas Strong and Annie Fields of Rockingham Co., NC. I am still trying to find the parents of Hiram Strong, who lists his age as 41 and his state of birth as TN in the 1850 Census for Newton Co., MO. Previously, "Bob T" provided me with some very helpful information on early TN Strongs, including 1820 census information (see his his two replies dated 28 Aug 1998). I had hoped to narrow the field of possibilities by first determining where Hiram and his wife Rebecca, who also listed her state of birth as TN, were married, but have thus far been unsuccessful. Since their first child, John, was born about 1832 in IL, it's conceivable they were married in IL. Since I haven't been able to narrow the field this way, let me try to do so by asking a few more questions of those who possess information about the Strongs of this time and place. "Bob T" suggested that I examine two early TN Strong families for which the sons have not been identified. The first was the family of John Strong of Davidson County, who died about 1815, leaving his wife, Martha (nee Morton) and two adult sons. Since my Hiram was born about 1809, he could not have been one of these adult sons. While it's possible this John Strong may have had younger children, there would have been quite an age gap since the first child had attained adulthood by 1805. This family does not appear to be a fit for my Hiram. The second Strong family that "Bob T" suggested merited scrutiny was Thomas Strong of Davidson County (the Thomas who appears on page 256 of the 1830 Census). It appears this Thomas had five sons under the age of 10 years at the time of the 1830 Census. My Hiram would have been about 21 in 1830, so he does not fit this family's profile. While it's possible that this Thomas had an older son who had moved to IL by 1830, again the gap in ages between my Hiram and the 1830 children is such that this seems unlikely. Thus, this family also does not appear to be a fit for my Hiram. With respect to the pre-1820 Strongs listed by "Bob T" who have not been accounted for, since there is no family information on them I can't rule them in or out. That brings me to the 1820 Census information. There are five Strongs in the 1820 Census who have a male child in the 10-15 age range, which is the age range for a birth date of 1809. These are: David of Giles Co., James of Smith Co., John of Smith Co., Samuel of Smith Co., and Sherwood of Davidson Co. I believe David of Giles Co. and Sherwood of Davidson Co. are of "Bob T's" line, so can be eliminated from further consideration on the assumption that he has accounted for their children. That leaves the Strong families of Smith Co., who "Bob T," citing Jim Rolff, indicates are all brothers who are descended from James Strong of Rockingham Co., NC. Have the children of these families been identified? "Bob T" notes that the 1820 Census compilation by Jackson and Teeples omits some families, such as Mastin Strong of Roane Co., TN. Bob, based upon your knowledge of the omitted families, can I eliminate them? Note that a search for Hiram Strong at the FTM site yields only one southern Strong of this time, and that is Hiram F. Strong, who is listed as the ninth child of Thomas Strong and Annie Fields of Rockingham Co., NC. No date is given for this Hiram's birth, but 1809, the date of birth of my Hiram, seems possible given the range of dates for the other children. Does anyone have information on this Hiram? Given the relative rarity of the name, Hiram, what is the relationship, if any, between this Thomas Strong and the Smith Co., TN Strongs? As always, any information from anyone will be much appreciated. Thanks. Robert E. Strong, Jr. =============================================================== Hi, Bob in Aridzona! Sandra Strong Rolff, wife of James R. ("Jim") Rolff <[email protected]> is a direct descendant of Hiram F. Strong. Jim Rolff has also researched the Strongs of Smith County and surrounding Counties of Tennessee. I recommend you correspond privately with Jim Rolff about your queries as Jim does not post messages to the Strong Mail List. Jim is welcome to participate in the discussions and I really wish that he would, but would also like for him to comply with established policies and procedures, for example, concerning the composition of Subjects for messages. I frankly miss having debates with Jim. I respect Jim's (and everyone else's) right to express his / their opinions on the Strong Mail List., but I (and everyone else) also reserve the right to disagree. I don't think you can eliminate any Strong families except tentatively as there are quite a few Strong families for which insufficient data is available. Mastin Strong is a case in point. One of his sons stated that he (the son) had four sisters older than himself. None of the four sisters have been identified. Were there also sons who have not been identified? Perhaps. Mastin was relatively old when he moved to Alabama and he probably left most of his children in Tennessee, in Roane, Jefferson, Bradley and maybe McMinn Counties. Did some of them relocate out of Tennessee to other states? Who knows? We can analyze Mastin Strong's [or any other Strong's] census records to get a better idea of how many sons and daughters they had and of about what years of birth. I will not take time to do that at the moment. Yes, the Strongs of Smith County were related to the Strongs of Scott Co., VA, if you accept Jim Rolff's analyses, for example that the Strongs of Smith County were probably sons of James Strong of Rockingham Co., NC, and formerly of Halifax / Pittsylvania / Henry Counties, VA. That evidence is circumstantial but plausible. My little detour into the records of these Strongs who lived near the border of Virginia and North Carolina revealed that James Strong's land on the Turkey Pen Branch in Virginia was on the Matrimony Creek. That is, the Turkey Pen Branch is a tributary of the Matrimony Creek. The Matrimony Primitive Baptist Church was located on the Matrimony Creek in Rockingham County, NC, just a short distance away, and that is where the records of Mary Strong, are first found about 1776. We do not have proof that this was Mary Strong, theoretical widow of Thomas Strong, versus Mary Strong, current wife of James Strong. James, Samuel, James, Thomas, and William Strong were identifed as heirs of James Strong and sons of Mary Strong in two 1805 deed to another branch of the Strong family in Rockingham County, NC. So was Mary Strong of the Martimony Primitive Baptist Church the wife / widow of James Strong, Sr., or was she the widow of Thomas Strong, Sr., as Jim Rolff has proposed? Census records of Rockingham County seem to prove that a Mrs. Mary Strong of Rockingham County was widowed by 1790. But James Strong, born before 1755, appeared on the 1800 census of Stokes County, NC, adjacent to Rockingham County. James Strong obviously died between 1800 and 1805, when his estate in Rockingham County was settled. This observation would support Jim Rolff's conclusion that the Mary Strong of the 1790 and 1800 census of Rockingham County, NC, was NOT the widow of James Strong. It should be noted here that the descendants of James Strong, Jr., and William Strong, two of the five sons of James and Mary Strong, were not traced in Jim Rolff's book. Both appeared on the 1820 census of Smith County, Tennessee. Where did they go after 1820? I found a James Strong residing in Gibson County, TN, but he did not stay there long enough to appear on any census. I suspected he might be the James Strong who was bound out as an apprentice in Goochland County, VA, in the 1790s. That James Strong was a son of Rachel Strong, who has not been positively identified. An 1859 deed recorded in Scott Co., VA, stated explicitly that Hiram F. Strong was a son of Thomas Strong, Sr. (the elder of two in Scott Co., VA), deceased. Rolff gave this Thomas Strong, Sr., the ID # 158. Rolff gave these data about Hiram F. Strong, M. D.. He was born 28 MAY 1819 in Scott Co., VA, a son of Thomas Strong and Annie Fields Strong, formerly of North Carolina. In 1841 he married, first, Phoebe JaneGodsey. He married, second, Nancy M. Preston. He married, third, "Francy". Hiram and Phoebe Strong relocated in 1849 to Johnson County, Kentucky, where he appeared on the 1850 through 1880 census. A second Hiram Strong is mentioned on Page 156 or Rolff's manuscript. This Hiram was born about 1836-1838 in Virginia; he was shown on the 1850 and 1860 census of Samuel Strong of Scott Co., VA. A third Hiram Strong--Hiram K. Strong--was the son of William Strong of Scott Co., VA. Hiram K. Strong was born in June, 1859, in Virginia, per his 1900 census record in Scott Co., VA. The common ancestor of the Strongs of Scott Co., VA, and Smith County, TN, was William Strong, Sr., born about 1701, St. Peter's Parish, probably New Kent County, VA, who resided most of his life in the eastern part of what became in 1720 to be Hanover County (St. Paul's Parish). He died after 1770 when he was of record in Pittsylvania County, VA. Some of his sons arrived in the Lunenburg / Halifax / Pittsylvania / Henry County area of Virginia in the early 1760s, possibly sooner, but no records have been found earlier than the 1760s. One son, William, Jr., apparently remained in Hanover County until his death around 1770 or earlier. [Or at least he still owned property in Hanover County in 1770.] What remains debateable is which son of William Strong, Sr., married Mary, the widow of the 1790 and 1800 census of Rockingham County, North Carolina. There was another lady in Guilford / Rockingham Counties, North Carolin, named Elizabeth Strong, who had sons named John Strong and Alexander Martin Strong (who changed his name to Alexander Strong Martin). Who was the father of this John Strong? There appears to be one too many Strong wives and widows in Rockingham County, NC!!! Who was the missing Strong male? Which male, presumeably a Strong, sired John Strong, son of Elizabeth? Was John Strong, too, a "love child", as was Alexander? If so, who was Elizabeth's father, presumeably a Strong? The answers to these questions are important to the ancestry of Thomas Strong, Sr., of Scott Co., VA. The conclusion that he was the son of Thomas Strong, formerly of Pittsylvania County, VA, whose last known record there was dated 1775, is based on circumstantial evidence. Other alternative explanations need to be explored with an open mind. What happened to John Strong, son of Elizabeth? He is yet to be accounted for. If the Strongs of Smith County, TN, were sons of James Strong, of Henry Co., VA, and Rockingham and Stokes Counties, NC, and if Thomas Strong, Sr., of Scott Co., VA, was a son of Thomas Strong of Pittsylvania County, VA, , then they were First Cousins: the sons of brothers. Hang in there, Bob E.! And good luck in your research. "Seek and ye shall find!" Maybe... "BoB T." Robert T. Strong, Jr. 119 Mystic Way Madison, Al 35757-8801