Dear Jim and Ralph, Didn't add all the family but put up addition generation. Take a look. Intersting fact Stephen Strong who went to Durham, NY m. a Lois Strong dau. of a Bela Strong. Will try and find her family. Let me know if you need more up. Martha

Dear Ralph and all, I have just put up four generations for John Jr, Thomas and Jedediah. There is alot of information there that is new or reprinted. Durham Ct. was mentioned frequently and I was amazed at the times I put in information on NY, PA, VT. Once I have all the children done I will go back and put in the reference pages to Dwight. Martha

Hi all, John and Thomas have the fourth generation added. The other children are up third generation. I am working to get Jedediah up today or tomorrow. Will fine tune all the pages once the fourth generation is added. Martha

To All, and especially Jerry L'Estrange (see answer #1) and Martha Strong (see answer #7) who might find a few details in the below message interesting: My apologies to all; I did not notice that the subject line on this message read "Re: 18th October 1998", when it went out last evening.... so, I am resending it just to be sure those who scan messages just for subject matter will catch the content... Regards, David B. "Dave" Strong Email: [email protected] Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 *************************************** -----Original Message----- From: DBS &/or MD <[email protected]> To: davidleahy <[email protected]> Cc: .....STRONG-List <[email protected]> Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:14 PM Subject: Re: 18th October 1998 >To David Leahy: > >Thank you for sharing your information with me. I am taking the liberty of >forwarding this information to the Rootsweb Strong-List, so that I may pass >it along to other interested researchers. Please note that I have recently >updated my links page, and added your URL along with others at the time: > >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/links.html > >We do appreciate your help! > >Regards, >David B. "Dave" Strong >Email: [email protected] >Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 > >************************** >-----Original Message----- >From: davidleahy <[email protected]> >To: David Strong <[email protected]> >Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 9:08 PM >Subject: 18th October 1998 > >>To: David B. Strong. >>e-mail: [email protected] >>Webpage: www.geocities.com/heartland/prairie/7530 >>Date: 18th October 1998 >> >>From: David Leahy, Glack, Park Road, Longford, Ireland >>e-mail: [email protected] >>Webpage: http://homepage.tinet.ie/~daveleahy/ >> >>Dear David, >> >>I received your e-mail of September the 7th. Sorry for the delay in >replying. (Answer #1): I have come across the >>following references to the Strong surname: >> >>Irish Names and Surnames by Rev. Patrick Woulfe >> >>Strong, Stronng - Strong, Stronge, Strange, Old Eng. 'Strang', Mid Eng. >'Stronge', 'Strange' i.e. strong, >>powerful - a descriptive surname. There were old respectable families of >this name in the Cities of >>Kilkenny and Waterford. >> >>I have also searched my records for L'Estrange, Lestrange, Strang and >Strange references and came up >>with the following: >> >>Tithe Applotment Books c1830 and Griffith's Primary Valuation of 1854 for >Co. Longford - NO >>references. >> >>In the 1901 Census I came across the following: >> >>Cooleeny Townland (Td.), Longford Rural District Electoral Division (DED), >Longford Parish (Ph.), >>County Longford: (Ref. 53/18/11): >> >>Maggie Farrell, Aged 55, Widow, born in Co. Westmeath, RC >>Maggie L'Estrange, Aged 17, niece, born in Co. Westmeath, RC >> >>Abbeycartron Td., Longford Urban No. 2 DED, Longford Ph., County Longford: >(Ref. 55/1/16): >> >>James Strang, Aged 64, married, born in Scotland, Presbyterian >>Mary Strang, Aged 44, married, wife, born in Scotland, Presbyterian >> >>Bridge Street, Longford Town, Longford Urban No. 2 DED, Longford Ph., >County Longford: (Ref. >>55/2/18): >> >>James Strange, Aged 46, married, born in Co. Antrim >>Margaret Strange, Aged 46, wife, >>James Strange, Aged 11, son >>Robert (Ihalfall/Ihatford) Strange, Aged 9, son >>Census Search Forms (1841/1851): >> >>Annie Murtagh applied for the Old Age Pension on 10th September 1917. >>Gave her address as Mrs Annie Sheridan, Trimalough, Moyne, Co. Cavan. >>Stated her parents names as James and Margaret (Strange) Murtagh.. >> >>Stated she was living at Enaghan, Killoe Ph., Granard Barony, Co. Longford >in 1851. >> >>The above covers Question 1 in your e-mail of 7th September. - ---------------------------- >>Answer 2: The descriptions of the Religions in the 1834 Census of Granard >Parish are as follows: >>Roman Catholic, Church of Ireland (or Protestant) and Presbyterian. The >Protestant description would >>also include Church of England, Ireland and Scotland I presume. ------------ >>Answer 3: Charleton Charitable Fund Marriages (c1800 - 1860): >> >>This scheme was inaugurated by Thomas Charleton, a well to do bachelor >landowner in Counties >>Longford and Meath, in the 19th Century. In his will he stipulated that >couples getting married in >>Counties Longford and Meath should benefit from his estate. The dividends >of his investments are >>available in the form of the Charleton Charitable Grant for couples >planning to marry and depends on >>the number of applicants in both Counties. They relate mainly to labourers >and servants from Counties >>Longford and Meath. The men/ladies were supposed to have been between 15 >and 30 / and 15 and 40. --------------------- >>Answer 4: There was no mention of any Strongs etc. in the Flaxgrowers List >of 1796 although an >>Alexander Strling (Probably Sterling but perhaps Strong) was recorded in >Granard Barony. ---------------------------- >>Answer 5: Cartron Townland is located approximately one mile south of >Granard Town and is a >>totally different Townland from Cartronamarkey Townland which is located >approximately two miles >>north-west of Granard Town. -------------------------- >>Answer 6: I'd say that the Strongs were established in Co. Longford c1700 >as I see in the Marriage >>Licence Bond records that a William Strong married a Margaret Majore in >1706. The Major surname is >>to be found in later Co. Longford records at Cartron Townland and Granard >Parish in general. Another >>interesting MLB marriage, that of Thomas Stronge and Alice Pointain of >1707, indicates a possible Co. >>Longford connection as the surname Poynton appears in various Co. Longford >records as early as >>1710. The Haltan / Holton surname also appears in early Co. Longford >records and so the Thomas >>Strong and Katherine Haltan record may have referred to a County Longford >couple. --------------------- >>Answer 7: The surnames Greville, Lewis and Maude are presumably English >and perhaps of French >>origin in the case of the former and latter at an earlier date. In 1876 the >following persons of these >>surnames are recorded as landowners in County Longford: >> >>Algernon W. B. Greville, 45 Sussex Gardens, London, 8,811 Acres, 3 Roods >and 36 Perches. >>Lord Greville, Clonyn, Delvin (Co. Westmeath) 1,236 Acres, 3 >Roods and 23 Perches >>Edward Lewis, Violetstown, Mullingar, Co. Westmeath 351 Acres, 2 Roods >and 38 Perches >>Henry Owen Lewis, 19 Seymour St., W, London 522 Acres, 2 >Roods and 17 Perches >>Rev. Samuel Lewis, Carrick-on-Shannon, Co. Leitrim 15 Acres, 2 >Roods and 30 Perches >>Captain Francis Maude, Onslow Square, London 1,235 Acres, 3 >Roods and 15 Perches >> >>Richard Greville was the fourth largest landowner in County Longford with >8,877 Acres in 1854. >>Baron Greville was residing at Clonhugh, Mullingar, Co. Westmeath c1900. >The Grevilles originate >>from a John Greville of Campden, Co. Gloucester, England in the 1300's. I hope the above helps to answer some of the queries and if I can be of any further help or assistance please let me know, >>Yours Sincerely, David Leahy

To David Leahy: Thank you for sharing your information with me. I am taking the liberty of forwarding this information to the Rootsweb Strong-List, so that I may pass it along to other interested researchers. Please note that I have recently updated my links page, and added your URL along with others at the time: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/links.html We do appreciate your help! Regards, David B. "Dave" Strong Email: [email protected] Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 ************************** -----Original Message----- From: davidleahy <[email protected]> To: David Strong <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 9:08 PM Subject: 18th October 1998 > >To: David B. Strong. >e-mail: [email protected] >Webpage: www.geocities.com/heartland/prairie/7530 >Date: 18th October 1998 > >From: David Leahy, Glack, Park Road, Longford, Ireland >e-mail: [email protected] >Webpage: http://homepage.tinet.ie/~daveleahy/ > > >Dear David, > > >I received your e-mail of September the 7th. Sorry for the delay in replying. I have come across the >following references to the Strong surname: > >Irish Names and Surnames by Rev. Patrick Woulfe > >Strong, Stronng - Strong, Stronge, Strange, Old Eng. 'Strang', Mid Eng. 'Stronge', 'Strange' i.e. strong, >powerful - a descriptive surname. There were old respectable families of this name in the Cities of >Kilkenny and Waterford. > > >I have also searched my records for L'Estrange, Lestrange, Strang and Strange references and came up >with the following: > >Tithe Applotment Books c1830 and Griffith's Primary Valuation of 1854 for Co. Longford - NO >references. > >In the 1901 Census I came across the following: > > >Cooleeny Townland (Td.), Longford Rural District Electoral Division (DED), Longford Parish (Ph.), >County Longford: (Ref. 53/18/11): > >Maggie Farrell, Aged 55, Widow, born in Co. Westmeath, RC >Maggie L'Estrange, Aged 17, niece, born in Co. Westmeath, RC > > >Abbeycartron Td., Longford Urban No. 2 DED, Longford Ph., County Longford: (Ref. 55/1/16): > >James Strang, Aged 64, married, born in Scotland, Presbyterian >Mary Strang, Aged 44, married, wife, born in Scotland, Presbyterian > > >Bridge Street, Longford Town, Longford Urban No. 2 DED, Longford Ph., County Longford: (Ref. >55/2/18): > >James Strange, Aged 46, married, born in Co. Antrim >Margaret Strange, Aged 46, wife, >James Strange, Aged 11, son >Robert (Ihalfall/Ihatford) Strange, Aged 9, son >Census Search Forms (1841/1851): > >Annie Murtagh applied for the Old Age Pension on 10th September 1917. >Gave her address as Mrs Annie Sheridan, Trimalough, Moyne, Co. Cavan. >Stated her parents names as James and Margaret (Strange) Murtagh.. > >Stated she was living at Enaghan, Killoe Ph., Granard Barony, Co. Longford in 1851. > >The above covers Question 1 in your e-mail of 7th September. > >Answer 2: The descriptions of the Religions in the 1834 Census of Granard Parish are as follows: >Roman Catholic, Church of Ireland (or Protestant) and Presbyterian. The Protestant description would >also include Church of England, Ireland and Scotland I presume. > >Answer 3: Charleton Charitable Fund Marriages (c1800 - 1860): > >This scheme was inaugurated by Thomas Charleton, a well to do bachelor landowner in Counties >Longford and Meath, in the 19th Century. In his will he stipulated that couples getting married in >Counties Longford and Meath should benefit from his estate. The dividends of his investments are >available in the form of the Charleton Charitable Grant for couples planning to marry and depends on >the number of applicants in both Counties. They relate mainly to labourers and servants from Counties >Longford and Meath. The men/ladies were supposed to have been between 15 and 30 / and 15 and 40. > >Answer 4: There was no mention of any Strongs etc. in the Flaxgrowers List of 1796 although an >Alexander Strling (Probably Sterling but perhaps Strong) was recorded in Granard Barony. > >Answer 5: Cartron Townland is located approximately one mile south of Granard Town and is a >totally different Townland from Cartronamarkey Townland which is located approximately two miles >north-west of Granard Town. > >Answer 6: I'd say that the Strongs were established in Co. Longford c1700 as I see in the Marriage >Licence Bond records that a William Strong married a Margaret Majore in 1706. The Major surname is >to be found in later Co. Longford records at Cartron Townland and Granard Parish in general. Another >interesting MLB marriage, that of Thomas Stronge and Alice Pointain of 1707, indicates a possible Co. >Longford connection as the surname Poynton appears in various Co. Longford records as early as >1710. The Haltan / Holton surname also appears in early Co. Longford records and so the Thomas >Strong and Katherine Haltan record may have referred to a County Longford couple. > >Answer 7: The surnames Greville, Lewis and Maude are presumably English and perhaps of French >origin in the case of the former and latter at an earlier date. In 1876 the following persons of these >surnames are recorded as landowners in County Longford: > >Algernon W. B. Greville, 45 Sussex Gardens, London, 8,811 Acres, 3 Roods and 36 Perches. >Lord Greville, Clonyn, Delvin (Co. Westmeath) 1,236 Acres, 3 Roods and 23 Perches >Edward Lewis, Violetstown, Mullingar, Co. Westmeath 351 Acres, 2 Roods and 38 Perches >Henry Owen Lewis, 19 Seymour St., W, London 522 Acres, 2 Roods and 17 Perches >Rev. Samuel Lewis, Carrick-on-Shannon, Co. Leitrim 15 Acres, 2 Roods and 30 Perches >Captain Francis Maude, Onslow Square, London 1,235 Acres, 3 Roods and 15 Perches > >Richard Greville was the fourth largest landowner in County Longford with 8,877 Acres in 1854. >Baron Greville was residing at Clonhugh, Mullingar, Co. Westmeath c1900. The Grevilles originate >from a John Greville of Campden, Co. Gloucester, England in the 1300's. I hope the above helps to >answer some of the queries and if I can be of any further help or assistance please let me know, >Yours Sincerely, David Leahy > > > >

John, I have so many questions! The letter you sent that was written to Cpt. David Scrantom by Thomas Strong, jr. This Thomas jr could be the older brother of Nathan Strong. He writes about the Great Sea (Lake Erie). I traveled the road 140 miles west of Albany, NY to Syracuse, NY. Then north US highway 81 to Rodman, NY where Nathan and Eunice Chalker Strong settled in 1810. The child left with Eunice Chalker Strong had to be Henry Chauney Strong born 4/20/1791, that would make Henry 12 days less than 1 year old. That would make Henry C. Strong was born in Durham, CT. The brother Coe that was written about could be the husband (Deacon Simeon Coe of Eunice Strong sister of Thomas, jr and Nathan. Which of the Strong women married to the Scranton brothers. Which one remove to Nova Scotia and to Scranton, PA. It is with interest Thomas Seward father Phebe Seward Strong mother of Nathan Strong was buried in Whitestown, Oneida Co., NY. No known date of death. someone fill this in for us! We know two of Nathan and Eunice's children were born at Whitestown, NY.The record in Haddock's Centennial History of Jefferson County, NY states Nathan moved to Rodman, NY from Whitestown, NY in 1810. 18 years after the letter was written. Where in the Mohawk river in the letter located? Could it be another name for the Lawrence river? Can anyone tell me the location of Thomas and Phebe Seward Strong were married. We know they were married on January 16, 1745/46. Jim ***************************************** HTTP://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm Strong Roots Database *****************************************

I note the interest in the letter I forwarded to all. My"Strong" roots run through Cornwallis (Kentsville), Nova Scotia. My direct relative was the Rev. Stephen Strong. Interested in the connection between him and Thomas and how their families came to arrive in Nova Scotia at about the same time from Connecticut. John Strong -----Original Message----- From: James E. Gilbert <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 7:25 PM Subject: Letter >Bill, >I acquired a this copy of a letter from John Strong([email protected]). >He acquired a copy of the letter from The Beaton Institute, located in Nova >Scotia about a year ago. I found it of interest. The Nathan written about >is five generations back in my Strong ancestry. Henry Chauncey STRONG was >born in1791. He is the child of Nathan Strong and Eunice Chalker. Nathan's >father was Thomas Strong. I do not think it is this Thomas writing of the >letter. Thomas write of Whitestown, Nathan and family settle in Whitestown >before 1810 when he moved to Rodman, NY. >Jim > >THE LETTER > >"To Capt. David Scrantom at Manchester in Novascotia with Care and Speed > >Dear Brother and Sister my regards to you and ures. > >I inform you that I am in good health and hope this will find you in joying >the same blessing through Divine goodness. > >Father and sisters are well and the rest of our family and friends sends >their regards to you and tis a (nelth ?) time among us Brother. > >Nathan has gone to the Great Sea if this is a place unnone to you tis about >two hundred thirty or forty miles west ward of Albany he went from home the >first of February last and dont expect to be back till next winter. Telch >Crane Elam Crane with there wives & Reubon Bishob are gone to the same >place but Nathans wife and child is not gone he married Eunisse Chalder. > >Brother Coe is gone with his family to Whites Town about one hundred miles >west of Albany up the Mohawk River so that our Family is Scattering up and >down the World so that I think it not very likely that we shall ever meet >to gether again in this World may we be have so as to Meet in that world >above to sing anthimes of praise through a never ending Etirnity > >the winter was pretty Severe here for about two months but the first of >March it began to thaw. Since thats it is been as fine a seeson as I ever >new we have not received Nor west blasts of wind since nature is puting on >her Smiling countenance. We have a prospect of a forward Spring. > >I have wrote a number of times to you but most of the letters have failed >(letter torn here) of them have returned but that must not discourage from >writing there being no other way of conversing with our loved ones at >distance & wish to you to rite as often as opportunity presents. I wish you >to make a visit here to see us and consider whether it is not better to >return to this part of the world than stay in that cold country how ever >that must be left to your Judgement > >our folks have sent you two brown woolen gowns & a peese of worsted cloth >with few (illegible) things their is but little news here there is troops >raising to go against the Indians on the western fronttears > >Page Two of Letter >To subscribe my self your affectionate Friend and Brother Thomas Strong Jun. >Dated at Durham Connecticut April 8, 1792" > >STRONG ROOTS DATABASE >http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm >Send STRONG GEDCOM FILES to Robert (Bob) T. Strong ><[email protected]> > > >==== STRONG Mailing List ==== >======================================================== >Address for online searchers of STRONG MAIL LIST ARCHIVES: >http://newsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >MAISER ARCHIVES (1996-1997): Messages Cross Indexed: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9881 > >MAISER ARCHIVES (1996-1997): Messages not indexed: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9853 >========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Information to digest from Haddock's Centennial History of Jefferson County, N.Y. I don't know the publish date of the book, but on page 674 The Growth of a Century, Family Sketches. In paragraph three I found the following: "NATHAN STRONG came to from Whitestown, N.Y., in 1810. He located in Rodman, where continued to reside until his death. He served his town as a justice of the peace, postmaster, supervisor, and in 1832, was elected Member of Assembly. His son Herman was born in 1802. He was at one time sheriff of Jefferson county, and afterwards superintendent of the poor. He married Miss Mary McKinstry, and was the father of four children, three sons and one daughter. Miss Elizabeth Strong, Who became the wife of the late H.E. Conger, of Watertown. Mr. Strong's wife was Miss Sarah Ann Millard. He died in 1876. Henry C. Strong, brother of Herman, was born in 1820, He was greatly beloved by his neighbors and associates for his kindness of heart and his generosity. Few men were more renowned for benevolence than he. He married Miss Sarah Pettibone, and was the father of DeWitt, Marcus B., Harriet, Charles C., Orville, and Nathan Strong. The latter was once sheriff of Jefferson county. Miss S. Augusta Strong was the youngest of the family, and was married to the late Pierson Mundy, of Watertown. She survives her husband, and is the beloved and capable principle of the Arsenal street school, in Watertown." I find a few errors in this article: My records show Henry Chauncey Strong the brother of Phoebe Strong Babbit, Charles Strong, Sophia Strong Rundell, Herman Strong, and Eunice Strong Griswold was born in Durham, CT, 4/20/1791. They are the children of Nathan and Enuice Chalker Strong. Nathan was born Durham, CT 1769 and Eunice Chalker Strong was born in 1769. They were married in Durham, CT 1790. Durham, CT should have marriage records back to that year, someone check it out for us. Bob T. Strong and Martha B. Strong give us your commits on this and anyone else! Jim

Folks, For one day only I have posted on my Web Site HTTP://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert the picture of a second plaque at Elder John Strong Grave site in Bridge Street Cemetery Northampton, MA. The plaque reads "Colonial Daughters of the 17th Century" 1607 1899 under it is "Elder John Strong". Jim STRONG ROOTS DATABASE http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm Send STRONG GEDCOM FILES to Robert (Bob) T. Strong <[email protected]>

After traveling to Maine to attend an Elderhostel, then to Nova Scotia, New Hampshire and Vermont for the changing of the leaves, I stopped in Northampton, MA. The research librarian at the Forbes Library showed me a map of the Bridge Street Cemetery in Northampton, where (Elder) John and his wife, Abigail (Ford) STRONG are buried. She kindly drew me a map of the cemetery where the sboulder is located. A bronze plaque on a large boulder marks the spot, also the Society of Colonial Dames had placed a marker near the boulder. Other STRONG, CLAPP, etc. names were on adjacent headstones. It was a cloudy, rainy day. Hopefully, my pictures will be good. Patt Fulton (descendant through (Elder) John STRONG'S son, Thomas.)

Please note, due to uploading difficulties which occurred during my connection with Geocities.com, I have had to change the name of the file which contains my updated version of the "What's in a name?" chapter. It is now: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/whatnam3.html The chapter may be accessed as usual from the Table of Contents page at my website. I hope this will not inconvenience anyone unduely. Just note the page change if you are working from the "STRANGE of Scotland" message I sent out earlier today. Regards, David B. "Dave" Strong Email: [email protected] Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530

Recently, while reading a historical fiction novel by Nigel Trantor, a theory occurred to me regarding the origin of the name "Strange" in Scotland, which I thought might be worth sharing with interested researchers on the Strong-List. As many of you may know, the name Strong seems to be derived in Scotland from an evolution of the names Strange > Strang> Strong, with little or no known occurance of the name Lestrange. This, of course, contrasts with the situation in England, where it can be shown that the surname Lestrange occurs following the Norman Conquest, and thereafter apparently evolves into Strange, Straunge, Strong, etc. Our late compatriot, John R. Mayer, carried this so far as to theorize that although the English and Scottish names were similar, they in fact did not have a common origin. He pointed out that there is no evidence that Norman knights from England stayed in Scotland and thereafter gave genesis to the Strange name. See: "Part III- Comments regarding the significance of his work" in the John R. Mayer Memorial Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/jrmmem.html for John's dicussion regarding Strange origins in Scotland. In part, John R. Mayer concluded: "Thus, even if we discover specific routes of migration across the Atlantic, we still must solve these questions about ultimate origins. Throughout British history, we can trace the separate and parallel activities of (1) Extraneus of England and (2) Strange of Balcaskie, and our extant records seem to show us that these two families distributed themselves in overlapping patterns. Thus, we may fairly easily detect a dichotomy between Extraneus and Strange of Balcaskie in such places as London, Ireland, and Wessex. Elsewhere and otherwise, the two families were consistently distinct and exclusive of one another. " The research theory which has occurred to me arises out of the following discussion by Nigel Trantor (for those who are unfamiliar with Trantor, he is a remarkably well informed Scottish author of "historical faction"... popularizing the history of Scotland from the days of St. Columba through the "Rising" of Bonnie Prince Charlie in 1745 in some fourty novels... probably largely based on factual knowledge he gained while writing a multi-volume discourse on the history and architecture of the Castles of Scotland). In "The Lion's Whelp", published by Hodder and Stoughton, London (1997), at page 163 ff, set in the years between 1437 and 1460, Trantor writes: "Thanks to Bishop Kennedy.... the situation improved for members of the royal family... (the minor King James II being held in close control by contending political factions in the Scottish court)... Oddly enough, troubles at the Vatican itself aided in this, especially increasing the (Scottish) Primate's power and influence. A schism developed in the papacy, a faction amongst the cardinals rebelling against (Pope) Eugenius and setting up, at Basle, Amadeus, Duke of Savoy, as Pope Felix the Fifth. A majority at Rome itself supported Eugenius, but a number of important states favoured Felix, for political reasons. So there was now the scandal of two Popes. This had its impact on Scotland, and Kennedy, for Eugenius, seeking to strengthen his position, sent special nuncios to various lands, one not unexpectedly to his friend (Kennedy) in Scotland. This was one Bishop William Croyser, a Scot himself from Rome, and with him two aides named Turnbull and Lithgow. These were to remain with Kennedy more or less permanently, not just on any visit, but to counter efforts by Felix from Basle. They took up residence at St. Andrews, and greatly enhanced Kennedy's position. To have a papal nuncio as his constant support was as highly advantageous as it was unusual... Now (King) James was allowed to visit his famiy frequently,.... " So the Church in what Eugenius was calling his loyalest northern kingdom was very much in the ascendant, and its Primate (Kennedy) in a position to exert major weight and sway. His nephew King James was a primary beneficiary.... ".... one such opportunity occurred. This was the arrival of envoys from France to interview and more or less inspect the Princess Isabella as bride for Francis de Montfort, heir to the Duke of Bretagne, this match mooted for some time.... "The Frenchmen brought satisfactory assurances and conditions, also gifts, and themselves went away satisfied. Isabella was the quietest of the family, but very pretty. She would go to Brittany in the autumn. The envoys would also report back to the King of France regarding the other daughters of (Dowager Queen) Joanna as an alternative wife for his heir the dauphin (or heir apparent of the French crown)." There is, of course, much more to the story, and I recommend it, along with Trantor's other novels, as an interesting read for anyone interested in Scottish history. The point for us here, as Strong genealogists, is that this scenario gives us the real possibility that the Strange family of Balcaskie may have had origins in BRITTANY... which is the source of the Lestrange family of England! (Refer to my chapter "What's in a name?" in the manuscript on my website: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/whatnam2.html The leStrange name apparently came to England born by Breton knights in the service of the Norman, William the Conquerer. (This is why I display the flag of Brittany in my website)! Balcaskie is located in Fife, not far from the ancient seat of the Catholic church in pre-reformation Scotland: St. Andrews (yes, where they play golf, too). The Strange family seat of Balcaskie was acquired in the 15th century... in the time period being discussed by Trantor above. Could it be that the Strange progenitor of the Balcaskie line came over to Scotland (and stayed) as part of the entourage of the envoys from the "Duke of Bretagne (Brittany)"???? Could this be the missing link tieing the Scottish and English Strange families together???? I invite your further comment, RESEARCH, and investigation!!! Regards, David B. "Dave" Strong Email: [email protected] Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530

Hi Connie... I've been meaning to comment on the below message a bit.... First, I agree that being "Irish bred", speaking with an Irish accent, and doing a mean Irish jig are no proof of being born in Ireland... although they are "strong" indicators of an Irish background... {:-)! (I well remember my OWN grandfather, also named James Strong, using some Irish pronunciation and dancing a "mean Irish jig"... once in the middle of a little bridge in Queen Elizabeth Park in Vancouver, British Columbia. However, he was actually born in Ontario in ~1876, and HIS father came over from Ireland in 1842... some 30+ years previously.) Second, consider the possibility that your James and Prudence either came over to the US on the same ship, or came separately in a "chain migration" sequence from Ireland. Chain Migration was the phenomenon where first one or two persons would migrate to a particular area, become established to some extent... "learning the ropes"... and then later send info encouraging relatives, friends, neighbors in the "old sod" to emigrate to the same area in the new world. This happened repeatedly, ending with entire districts emptying in Ireland and transplanting themselves to a close locale in the new world. As a result, surnames and relationships which were in close conjunction in the old world recurr in the new world. The point behind this is that you should not give up on Donegal as being the point of origin for both James Strong and Prudence Elliott... {:-)! Also, I have been meaning to suggest to you that you might be smart to concentrate your research efforts in Donegal on Prudence Elliott, rather than James Strong. For one thing, Dale Strong pretty well mined the available info re the Strongs in Donegal, and we have put most of that info into the Irish Data Base... and James, like George, John, etc., is all too common a name, making it difficult to trace individuals.... Whereas Prudence is a good "marker" name, and might well appear in the Elliott lineage if it can be established. Also, there is always the possibility that Dale missed info involving Strongs because it appeared in records concerning the other common names in Donegal, such as Magee, Haron, Morrow, Elliott, Dudgeon, etc. I am copying this email to Tom Strong, Sr., with the suggestion that he put you in touch with Marge Carlson of Boston, MA, who may be able to give some insights into the Elliott and other lineages in Donegal.... Good Luck! David B. "Dave" Strong Email: [email protected] Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530 *************************** -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 1:08 PM Subject: A little more info on James from Ireland > >Found some more of my g Aunt Kate Strong's notes. She says that James came to >New York with a brother whose name she didn't know. They got separated in NY >and James went on to West VA where he ran a pottery in or near Wheeling. He >lived, however, just across the border into Ohio. Thelma found a marriage >record for James STRONG and Prudence ELLIOT in Ohio just a few months before >John was born so I think that John was probably born in the US. Aunt Kate >states that she believes he was born in Ireland because he said he was Irish >bred, spoke with an Irish accent, and could do a mean Irish Jig. I hardly >think this is proof he was born in Ireland. As for the marriage of James and >Pridence, they could have had a lay marriage in Ireland and a church marriage >in the states (John could have been conceived in Ireland), or they may have >not even known each other prior to coming to the states. People got pregnant >out of wedlock then too. I just don't know which it is. The really frustrating >thing is that Aunt Kate notes that Sherman STRONG of Missouri (son of Finley >Ritchy STRONG, John's brother) had all of the documentation but she didn't >copy it all down! > >Is anyone out there looking into the Finley Ritchy STRONG (b. 1825, m. Orleans >WRIGHT) line? If so, you may have the info we need. > >That's all for now. > >Connie >[email protected] > > >==== STRONG Mailing List ==== >======================================================== >THE STRONG ROOTS DATABASE: >http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm > >Strong Ancestor Charts, in GEDCOM to HTML format. >==========================================================

Just a thought to pass along to those Strong/LaStrange/Strange, etc researchers who have info that their ancestors were from "County Cork" Ireland... One of the LARGEST ports in 19th Century Ireland was Queenstown, Co. Cork. A huge number of emigrants passed through that port... Anyone who is persuing an ancestor from "County Cork" should consider the possibility that the ancestor merely passed through Queenstown, and although the word handed down in your family is that he/she was "from Co. Cork", in actuality, they TRAVELED to the new world FROM the port of Queenstown, Co. Cork, and were really from somewhere else in Ireland... usually in the southern part of Ireland... as Queenstown was the port of choice for residents in the south, and Belfast and Londonderry and other outports served those in the north. In modern Ireland, Queenstown is now called "Cobh". You might want to check the Queenstown, Co. Cork Heritage site linked from my links page for some leads... see: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/links.html Also, if you are researching the surname "LaStrange", please consider that as a variant spelling of the name "L'Estrange", or "Lestrange"... As Jerry L'Estrange of our mailing list can tell you, there are MANY L'Estranges to be found in Ireland... I would recommend a close look at the L'Estrange/Strange family of Co. Waterford... Good Luck! David B. "Dave" Strong Email: [email protected] Website, "Researching Strong(e)s and Strang(e)s in Britain & Ireland" http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530

I have a second cousin thrice removed, Anna Louise Strong, that lived a very interesting life. If you search the web using her name in quotes, "Anna Louise Strong", you will get a hundred plus hits.

Hi folks, I'm hoping to find some clue about the ancestry of one Thomas N. Straughan, b. about 1820, m. on 18 Jan 1847 in Westmoreland Co., VA, Sarah J. (or E.) Oldham. Thomas died sometime between 1855 and 1860. His mother might have been named Ann, because there was an Ann Straughan, age 66, living in Thomas's household in 1850, according to the federal census. Sarah (Oldham) Straughan died on 14 Nov 1906 and is buried in Oldhams, Westmorlend Co., VA. There were plenty of Straughans early in Middlesex and Westmoreland Counties, but so far I haven't been able to connect them to Thomas. Any ideas? Thanks, Sam Brainerd

posted at www.wdstrong.com/strong -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 9:43 AM Subject: James Clark Strong >The following is taken from the Dwight, volume I: > "Gen. James Clark Strong, son of Rev. Henry Pierce >Strong and Laura Clark, b. at Vienna, NY (now Philps) >May 6, 1826. He m. Nov 1, 1859, Emilie Kennet Efner, >b. at Buffalo, NY Feb 22, 1840 (dau. of Elijah D. Efner of >Buffalo, a resident of the city since 1809 and one of its >founders and a soldier in the war of 1812, and Sophia >Dorchester): a lawyer. He went in 1849 to Oregon and was >clerk of the U. S. District Court: was appointed at the >organization of Washington Territory Asst. U. S. Dist. >Attorney for the Territory: a member of its first legislature: >twice elected prosecuting attorney for the First Judicial >District. In the Indian war of 1855-6, he volunteered and >served from its beginning to its close, and commanded >a company of horse, returned to Buffalo in 1857. In the >late war he raised a company of volunteers and was elected >captain Apr 19, 1861 (Co. E, 21st Regt. NY Vols.) and was >commissioned its captain May 7, 1861: promoted to the Lt. >Colonelcy of the 38th NY Vols, Dec 17, 1861 and to the >Colonelcy of it Nov 10, 1862, with rank from Oct 10, 1862: >mustered out with said regt. (a two year regt.) Jun 26, 1863. >On Sep 29, 1863 he was appointed Colonel of the 15th Regt. >Veteran Reserve Corps and commissioned March 13, 1865, >Brevet Brig. Gen.: mustered out of the service Jun 30, 1866. >He was wounded twice in the battle of Williamsburgh, VA May >5, 1862; first in the right hand soon after entering the conflict >and afterward by a Minie ball passing through his right hip just >at the close of the battle after nearly three hours engagement. >This last wound has crippled him for life, shortrening his right >leg three inches and making his hip stiff, the ball having passed >directly through the joint, tearing it to pieces and paralyzing >partially the entire right side. He was the second mounted officer >who went over the rebel works at Yorktown, VA. In the official >report made by Gen. D. B. Birney of the battle at Williamsburgh, >VA, Lt. Col James C. Strong is said to "deserve especial mention >for his bravery and gallant conduct during the battle". He was >afterward military commandant of the post at Chicago and at >Philadelphia. His wounds disabled him after returning to Buffalo >from pursuing the sedentary life demanded by his profession; and >he was appointed Assessor of Internal Revenue for the 30th N. Y. >District April 20, 1867, which office he held for two years residing at >Buffalo. From a brief genealogical record compiled by him some >years ago, of his own ancestors and immediate relatives the author >has derived many facts and dates of value especially concerning the >descendants of Col. Adonijah Strong of Salisbury. > His children were: > Jeanie Strong b. at Buffalo, Dec 3, 1860 > Edward Clark Strong, b. at Buffalo, Nov 45, 1865' > > >==== STRONG Mailing List ==== >======================================================== >RESEARCHING STRONG(E) AND STRANG(E) >IN GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/ > >Database and manuscript. See especially Chap. 13 >of manuscript, entitled "Lineages". >========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > >

The following is taken from the Dwight, volume I: "Gen. James Clark Strong, son of Rev. Henry Pierce Strong and Laura Clark, b. at Vienna, NY (now Philps) May 6, 1826. He m. Nov 1, 1859, Emilie Kennet Efner, b. at Buffalo, NY Feb 22, 1840 (dau. of Elijah D. Efner of Buffalo, a resident of the city since 1809 and one of its founders and a soldier in the war of 1812, and Sophia Dorchester): a lawyer. He went in 1849 to Oregon and was clerk of the U. S. District Court: was appointed at the organization of Washington Territory Asst. U. S. Dist. Attorney for the Territory: a member of its first legislature: twice elected prosecuting attorney for the First Judicial District. In the Indian war of 1855-6, he volunteered and served from its beginning to its close, and commanded a company of horse, returned to Buffalo in 1857. In the late war he raised a company of volunteers and was elected captain Apr 19, 1861 (Co. E, 21st Regt. NY Vols.) and was commissioned its captain May 7, 1861: promoted to the Lt. Colonelcy of the 38th NY Vols, Dec 17, 1861 and to the Colonelcy of it Nov 10, 1862, with rank from Oct 10, 1862: mustered out with said regt. (a two year regt.) Jun 26, 1863. On Sep 29, 1863 he was appointed Colonel of the 15th Regt. Veteran Reserve Corps and commissioned March 13, 1865, Brevet Brig. Gen.: mustered out of the service Jun 30, 1866. He was wounded twice in the battle of Williamsburgh, VA May 5, 1862; first in the right hand soon after entering the conflict and afterward by a Minie ball passing through his right hip just at the close of the battle after nearly three hours engagement. This last wound has crippled him for life, shortrening his right leg three inches and making his hip stiff, the ball having passed directly through the joint, tearing it to pieces and paralyzing partially the entire right side. He was the second mounted officer who went over the rebel works at Yorktown, VA. In the official report made by Gen. D. B. Birney of the battle at Williamsburgh, VA, Lt. Col James C. Strong is said to "deserve especial mention for his bravery and gallant conduct during the battle". He was afterward military commandant of the post at Chicago and at Philadelphia. His wounds disabled him after returning to Buffalo from pursuing the sedentary life demanded by his profession; and he was appointed Assessor of Internal Revenue for the 30th N. Y. District April 20, 1867, which office he held for two years residing at Buffalo. From a brief genealogical record compiled by him some years ago, of his own ancestors and immediate relatives the author has derived many facts and dates of value especially concerning the descendants of Col. Adonijah Strong of Salisbury. His children were: Jeanie Strong b. at Buffalo, Dec 3, 1860 Edward Clark Strong, b. at Buffalo, Nov 45, 1865'

Please! And Thank You! Helen STRONG Pond IBSSG Researching STRONG, WHITE, FOSTER, CHEATHAM ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Gen. James Clark Strong > Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 9:15 AM > > General Strong is a descendant of Jedediah > Strong, son of Elder John Strong. A 7th > generation descendant. Benjamin W. Dwight > in his "History of the Descendants of Elder > John Stronf of Northampton, MA" has a full > page biographical synopsis of his activity > during the Civil War. If anyone is interested, > I can post it at a later date. > > > ==== STRONG Mailing List ==== > ======================================================== > Address for online searchers of STRONG MAIL LIST ARCHIVES: > http://newsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > MAISER ARCHIVES (1996-1997): Messages Cross Indexed: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9881 > > MAISER ARCHIVES (1996-1997): Messages not indexed: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9853 > ========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Martha, It has been a bad for me. Sorry, I was thing it was you that sent the note about the synopsis. Jim At 06:17 PM 10/15/98 EDT, you wrote: >Jim I must be off my speed. Which Biographical symopsis. >You mean the one Bob Sheldon Strong emailed the mailing >list about? > >Martha > > >==== STRONG Mailing List ==== >======================================================== >THE STRONG ROOTS DATABASE: >http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/main/srd-toc.htm > >Strong Ancestor Charts, in GEDCOM to HTML format. >========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >