>From HARKEY-L-request@rootsweb.com Sun Mar 29 09:23:28 1998 Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by tc3net.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA03561 for <nhark@tc3net.com>; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:23:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA21749; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:09:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:09:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803291423.JAA03560@tc3net.com> From: "Nina Harkey" <nhark@tc3net.com> To: "Rootsweb list harkey" <HARKEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:21:42 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [HARKEY-L] Naming Patterns Resent-Message-ID: <"Oah3fB.A.jTF.tYlH1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: HARKEY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HARKEY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/190 X-Loop: HARKEY-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HARKEY-L-request@rootsweb.com Dear Alma and all others, There is indeed a naming "tradition" for german families, not in use much after about mid 1800's at the latest. It started with the Roman Catholics and the Baptists continued the practice. The first name is a baptismal name. If a child's name were given on a birth certificate as "Johannes Martin Herche", for example, the second given name would be the call name by which the person is known to their family and also in legal and secular records. The spiritual (baptismal) name was usually repeated with all the children of that family. That is why it appears all children have the same first name. After baptism the first or spiritual name "disappears" as it were. If a child died very young the full name will in all likelihood be used again for a later child. There may even be several children with the same spiritual and call names in one family. In the absence of birth records it would be reasonably safe to assume that, if there are 2 or 3 children with the EXACT name, only the last child with that name survived infancy. This practice applies to both male and female children. In old German records, if you find a birth certificate or baptismal record for "Johannes Martin Herche" don't continue to look for that name further. In most cases all later documents would list this person as "Martin Herche". This information could help you greatly when looking at ships records, immigration papers and so on. If you have extensive records and some of the names don't make sense, try to apply the naming tradition to your records and you may find some of the different people are really one and the same. Happy Hunting, Nina Harkey -----Original Message----- From: VReeder@aol.com <VReeder@aol.com> To: STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [STRAUB-L] The group who settled in Goshen, Clermont Co., Ohio >Dear Gary et all interested in the Goshen, Clermont Co., O. Straup/b Family >connections: >In answer to your questions written 6-27-99, Garry: >Thank you for the information about the fact that it was the custom to give >the children two names and the person would be called by the second name >rather than as we do today. (ie --Johan Jacob Straub would have been called >Jacob. That is very interesting. > >Now I have just looked on my data base and this is what I have. >Jacob Straub and Framey Fryburger had 16 kids according to my records. After >looking at the names I see I do not have all of the first names listed but >this info. was sent to me from researchers in Clermont Co. several years ago. >You asked for the birth date of Andrew---Interesting---I have April 15, 1808 >for Andrew Straub and then after looking closely to the other children I see >Ellen was born July 11, 1808. Something is nuts here. Someone must be with >the wrong family or the 1808 is incorrect. Your guess is as good as mine. I >have made notes under these names and hopefully this will be resolved soon. >Now about Framey having a second name. She was called Francie in a deed and >it was also written as FRANCA (which to me sounds more German)--and in this >same record they mention 16 kids. >Concerning the Fryburgers: I have mentioned this before to this group and >don't think I've had any answers to this one, but some time ago someone from >Northumberland Co. sent me a newspaper article that states the fact that >Ludwig Fryburger, Framey's father, was Jewish. Did you have any info. about >this? Very interesting I think. >More in a little while. >Ginger in Az. > > > >==== STRAUB Mailing List ==== >To search the mailing list Archives for past messages, go to: >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >and enter the name of the list you want to search. > >