Thanks for the offer of help. I know that they were in Kansas in 1864 and remained there for the rest of their lives. According to census and obituraries, Jacob was born in Germany May 16, 1849 and the second child, John, was born in Wisconsin April 13, 1855. One census record shows that both Jacob and John were born in Wisconsin, but I believe they came to Wisconsin about 1850/51. My question is where in Wisconsin. I have been unable to locate them anywhere. All suggestions appreciated. Donna