Garry, You have chosen the most difficult, most unresolved, hair-pulling <bleep> of a conundrum to tackle. ;-) If you will check my census pages: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/PA/PACensusStraub/1800.htm http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/PA/PACensusStraub/1810.htm you will see that I do not have any family group sheet linked to the Andrew in Penn Twp. in 1800 or to the Andrew in Greenwood Twp. in 1820. If you will recall, three years ago, we wrestled mightily with the various Andrews in PA around that time frame, and in the end, I gave up. Given that Andrew founded Freeburg in 1796, he *ought* to be the Andrew in Penn Twp. in the 1800 Census, but I do not see how it is remotely possible to derive the household in Greenwood Twp. in 1810 from the one in Penn Twp. in 1800. The problem here is that we are working in a vacuum -- a lack of data. I had assumed, up til now, that someone must have already looked at these records and that whatever was to be found had been found (as in nothing). But a trip to the LDS online library card catalog shows an abundance of records that surely should help, the tax records, for example. Those can greatly help locate someone when they've been missed by the census. For reasons I won't belabor, there's no hope in the near future (possibly ever) of my getting to PA, and I don't have easy access to an LDS Family History Center. I *will* have easy access when I move back to California, which I hope will be in the next few years, but until then, I just decided to put the Andrew question on hold. If someone wants to tackle it in the meantime, the first place I would look is the tax lists for Northumberland, Union, and Snyder Cos. The lists are extant because I just checked the LDS online library card catalog. People escape the census-taker much more easily than they do the tax collector. It's not going to do any good, I think, to just keep rehashing the data we have. We don't have enough. One last thing, we do not know, for a fact, that Andrew was born in Penn Twp. People are assuming it is so, but I see no proof. Fisher, in his "Snyder County Pioneers," said he did not know when or where Andrew was born or when or where he died - and he was uncertain that Peter & Catherine were his parents. Yes, there is a baptismal record for an Andrew (b. 1770) but we don't know where that baptism took place ("on a trip to Shamokin") and we have no proof that *that* Andrew founded Freeburg. Yes, it could be, but assuming that he is could be leading us on a wild goose chase. When you pare it down to what we really know about Andrew of Freeburg, it isn't much, which is why I have that WARNING on his family group sheet that it isn't "right." Diana Garry Heagy wrote: > > I've noticed that on Diana's website Andrew b. 1770 is linked to the 1810 > census in Greenwood Twp, Juniata County. (31010-11101) This Andrew should > be the same one listed in the 1800 census in Penns Twp, Snyder County. > (31010-10010) Penn Twp is where he was born and where his family lived. > > It's curious that the numbers for the males are the same. We've been told > the woman over 45 in the 1810 census is Andrew's mother. If this is true > and the numbers are correct, then Andrew's wife is not listed with him in > 1810.

When Andrew was baptised in 1771, a sponser was Andrew Moore. In 1770, Peter Straub and Andrew Morr and ? Rousch applied for land for a church and a school. There's more than a good chance that this is the same Andrew Moore. Assuming the census numbers are correct for 1800 and 1810, it's not that hard to connect Andrew in Penn Twp in 1800 to Andrew in Greenwood Twp in 1810. In 1810, Andrew's wife has died, he's remarried to a younger woman and his mother is living with him. The 3 oldest sons are living and working with other families, possibly new homes were found for them when their mother died. (I know ??? but it is possible) >From a deed transaction with his son Peter in 1818, Andrew's daughter, Catharina, is mentioned as being his eleventh child. We know he had a large family.