Diana, what were those townships you needed a couple weeks ago? I lost the ref that I was going to use to look them up. I have recently been "I have recently been "sweeping" some 188"I have recently been "sweeping" some 11880 census data available in the library, in search of my elusive great-grandfather Burnell. In doing so, I have encountered a lone Stroup working the oil fields of McKean County Pa and a whole nest of them in Lycoming County PA. To keep the data flowing, here are the findings: McKean County, Colville Village, p. 318, STROUP, Jacob, age 36, occ: works on oil well; born PA wife: Mary E., age 29, born PA, both parents born PA. ch: Harriet L. (11); Isabelle (9), Edith (6), Laura (2) Lycoming County, STROUP, Sadie, age 20, occ: servant (in household of John J. Harrison) Williamsport PA, 1st Ward (East 3rd St), p. 443. STROUP, S.O., age 46, occ: brick mason, born PA; both parents born PA; w: Rosetta (43) PA and parents both PA; ch: Jacob (17), ?Sorene? (Male-10), Laura (7), Charles (4) Williamsport, 1st Ward (Wilson St), p. 458. STROUP, William, age 29, occ: brick mason, born Pa; both parents born PA; w: Catherine (23) Williamsport, 1st ward (Wilson St) ... next door to S.O. STROUP, Henry, age 30, occ: laborer, born Pa, both parents born PA; w: Kate (24); ch: Frank (5), Flora (4) Williamsport, 2nd Ward, (Jefferson St); p. 472 STROUP, Henry, age 65, occ: laborer, b PA, both parents born PA; with son John (30), laborer; Charles (23), laborer; daughter Lucy Porter. Williamsport, 3rd Ward (William Street); p. 506. STROUP, William L., age 31, occ: works planing mill; born PA, father born PA; mother born NI(?) wife: Elizabeth (27), born PA, father born NI(?), mother born PA. daughter Rebecca (8). forgot to record page ... between 509 and 523. Williamsport 3rd or 4th Ward. STRAUB, Charles B., age 46, occ: laborer wife: Mary (36) ch: Sarah (14) dressmaker; Walter M. (17), laborer; Harriet P. (7) and Myrtle (1); Williamsport, 7th Ward, p. 601 STRAUB, John, age 48 occ: laborer, born Bavaria, both parents b. Bavaria; wife: Frances W. (47), born Bavaria; both parents born Bavaria; ch: Margaret (19), Sophie W. (16), Lizzie (14), Katie (8); Franklin (6), Joseph (4), John (1). all children born PA. Williamsport 8th Ward (Washington St), p. 633. I hope this helps somebody!

just testing... sorry to stuff your mailbox!

Personally, I don't plan to send anything to the list that I don't send to Diana. She didn't do anything to me. Jim Burnell Golden CO Bonita E Strope wrote: > Fellow Straub list friends, > Can't we circumvent the restrictions placed upon Diana by forwarding > the list activity to her? It seems as though she could then respond to us > privately as appropriate. Will that place us (me) in jeopardy? Or, maybe > this has all left such a bad taste in her mouth that she'd prefer to leave > it all behind. So sad. > Bonnie Strope > > ==== STRAUB Mailing List ==== > Ben Buckner's JavaScript Birthdate Calculator is at > http://enws347.eas.asu.edu:8000/~buckner/bdjscr.html

Dear friends, The following message is forwarded from an our mutual old friend. "I have my new web site up. I don't have any of the old pages uploaded, because I have to change every link on every page to the new host. <groan> But I will post announcements there: http://grove.ufl.edu/~dianagal And I will be able to restart our mailing list, but it may take me a day or so to get it set up. You may want to check the new web site occassionallyto see the status of things. I've been pretty shaken by all of this, but I'm ready to put it behind me. Let's get back to doing genealogy!" another message: "I know there were people on the list who asked me to send them a copy of my 'final' message, that I may have neglected to answer. I'm looking at 700+ messages in my inbox, and hundreds more I've shuffled into an assortment of 'read this' or 'answer that' folder. And a 1000+ in my trash bin that I've 'dealt with' (or hope I have). Please tell anyone on the list that if they wrote me and feel offended that I haven't replied, that I'm just completely snowed under - and the organization of my email has almost completely broken down..." ...some comments I think it prudent to not include... "...This thing is far from over." forwarded by Bonnie Strope

Fellow Straub list friends, Can't we circumvent the restrictions placed upon Diana by forwarding the list activity to her? It seems as though she could then respond to us privately as appropriate. Will that place us (me) in jeopardy? Or, maybe this has all left such a bad taste in her mouth that she'd prefer to leave it all behind. So sad. Bonnie Strope

ditto what peggy says, nancy

Dear Subscribers, Unfortunately, Diana's prediction has come to pass and she has been unsubbed from the Straub-L. She no longer receives any posts from here, so she will no longer be an aid to our research on this list. She did want me to pass the message on so that you would be aware of why she is not responding. II find it difficult to understand that the differences between Diana and the owner of RootsWeb has come to something as adverse as this. But I am sure that you will all agree that her infectious enthusiasm in researching our common Straub ancestors will be missed. Hopefully, she will discover a way to continue her efforts share with us in another manner. Peggy

Dear cousins, My resignation is final. I want you to know that I did not make this decision lightly or without profound regrets. If anyone is interested in the reasons, I can forward you my parting posts to listowners-L. You have been wonderful. These months have been a joy. I wish you good luck and good hunting. Diana

Diana, I realize that you did not make this decision lightly. All you have ever contributed or shared with the group appeared to come from much thought and consideration of others, which must have been very exhausting. I for one, am going to miss your energetic efforts and contagious enthusiasm that made being a part of this list so compelling and rewarding. You will be missed very very much! Peggy

Diana, Don't do it! You are the heartbeat of the Straub (rootsweb) body! You keep us going. If you decide to stay, please let us help. However you decide, thanks for a job well done! Barbara

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Clarification re Personal Liability Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:45:44 -0400 From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <dianagal@ufl.edu> To: JYoung6180@aol.com CC: listowners-L@rootsweb.com References: <868cb549.248340d8@aol.com> *Pets*?! You mean, after subsidizing the startup of one business, I'm now going to subsizide another one -- totally unrelated to genealogy? What kind of business is this? If it has to do with animals and it's anything *but* an animal shelter, I do not approve. Diana JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/30/99 8:50:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dml2s@worldnet.att.net writes: > > > I keep wondering where these "for-profit" rumors come > > from. > > Hi Dave- a very short time ago Brian actually clarified this for us by > telling us that RootsWeb would actually be filing very shortly to become TWO > corporations--ONE for genealogy..as a 501(c)3 non profit; and TWO as a for > profit corporation which will handle the new business of pets, etc. The > latter one of course is intended to be profitable and to help subsidize the > genealogy non-profit and minimize or do away with the loses. Perhaps this was > misunderstood by some? Or perhaps there are merely those among us who prefer > rumor and innuendo to fact? > > Joan

Geez, I am sorry I have missed all the action the last couple days! Be assured, I have the e-mail addresses of most of you, along with a record of your interests, and as I find good and/or new information, I will make sure it gets out. Jim Burnell Golden CO Jococity@aol.com wrote: > Diana, > > The contributions and compassionate input of your hard work on this list will > be missed greatly! You have been a true treasure in my genealogy search. I > have much respect for all the dedication and time you have spent diligently > entering and posting information for all to access. I know that we will all > miss you as a list owner. I am delighted that you will get to maintain your > pages, since you are so passionate and thorough and committed to it. Good > Luck! with your projects and hope for the best. This may just be the > beginning of a brand new adventure you wouldn't have had time for as > listowner. > > Peggy Wilson > > ==== STRAUB Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb! Please visit > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: from the USGenWeb-ALL Archives Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:59:33 -0400 From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <dianagal@ufl.edu> To: listowners-L@rootsweb.com As my previous post will almost certainly result in my being locked out, I might as well go out with a bang. This message is in the USGenWeb-All archives, right here on RootsWeb. If you have any misgivings about putting this much power into the hands of a single person, you need to think twice about supporting this organization. Anyone who is passionate at all about their genealogical research knows that being locked out of all of RootsWebs resources is a devasting threat. But I will not have my right to free speech infringed upon by threats. I did not donate data to RootsWeb in order for it to be used as a weapon against individual genealogists. Diana ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:19:51 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <leverich@rootsweb.com> To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Re: OK, This is Enough Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:09:25 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com RootsWeb has a responsibility to keep RootsWeb's servers operating. We owe that both to more than a quarter million users and to thousands of Webmasters, listowners, GenConnect board administrators, and other volunteers. Gratuitously hurtful and/or deliberately untrue posts made on this list and elsewhere at RootsWeb are making it difficult for RootsWeb to recruit and retain the system administrators and other staff who are essential to make this site work. Consequently, we have temporarily suspended the privileges of the following four users: Suzan Cook Pam Cresswell Carol Dean Teresa Lindquist Each individually has shown a pattern of behavior that we believe has caused hurt and discouraged others from contributing to the genealogical community. For the next 30 days, we ask that those four individuals not use any of RootsWeb's facilities. We also ask that other users of RootsWeb not forward traffic from those individuals to lists at RootsWeb or otherwise make RootsWeb accessible to those individuals. Should this policy be violated, RootsWeb will take whatever actions seem appropriate. After 30 days, on a case-by-case basis RootsWeb will consider restoring these individuals' privileges. Restoration of privileges will be contingent upon the person in question promising us that they will modify their behavior to be constructive and likely to lead to more, rather than fewer, resources being brought online for the use of the genealogical community. This is not the start of some great witchhunt by RootsWeb. In the last three years, we have suspended the privileges of only a handful of individuals. We don't expect that to change in the future. Thanks all, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project.

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Clarification re Personal Liability Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:50:45 -0400 From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <dianagal@ufl.edu> To: C Hammett <carhammett@rootsweb.com>, listowners-L@rootsweb.com References: <4.1.19990530024617.028c6df0@pop.mindspring.com> C Hammett wrote: > <snip> > Although our public support of, and solicitation for, contributions to > RootsWeb have been based on its declared plan to become non-profit, in > reality, our efforts have been on behalf of a "for-profit corporation" (its > self-declared lack of profitability being irrelevant). > <snip> As Brian put it in an email back in July of 1998, he is a "California Mom and Pop" business. That means he is a "Sole Proprietorship," not a corporation. As a sole prorietor, he is not legally required to show his books to anyone or account to anyone, except the IRS. (He has no board of directors or stockholders to whom he is accountable.) It means that when I sent my check for $100 made out to the "RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative," I was giving the money to Brian *personally*. Whether or not his business is profitable or un-profitable, I have no idea -- and I believe Brian when he says that it is UN-profitable. But RootsWeb is certainly not a corporation nor is it "non-profit." Nor is it truly a "Cooperative," because a cooperative is a business in which the participants (those contributing the goods and services) share in the revenues. And while Brian may not have made a profit, we should realize that, as a sole proprietorship, our "donations" have increased his personal Net Worth, because all the computer hardware, and whatever else he has bought with the donations, legally belongs to him -- personally. Naming RootsWeb a "Cooperative" and calling for "Donations" caused me to misunderstand the nature of what I was contributing my money, my time, and my expertise *to*. If I'm going to capitalize the start-up of a business, I want shares in the company. Diana

Peggy, I can tell y'all that your messages of personal support have really helped these past two days. Since Monday, I have been alternately shaking my head (in disbelief) and pulling my hair (in frustration) over what is going on. It's a breath of fresh air to receive such a friendly message. I may have burned my bridges over some of the things I've said (no one has ever called me reticent when it comes to speaking my mind). In a nutshell, RootsWeb is not listening to its volunteers, and the changes will be shoved down our throats. And one of the changes is advertising. I thought I was donating my time and effort to a volunteer organization, a great team of thousands of like-minded genealogists who believe our heritage belongs to all and ought to be free to anyone, and online. I didn't realize I was part of a commercial enterprise (albeit, non-profit) that is bent on competing with other commercial enterprises (viz., GenForum and FTM). I didn't think that was our purpose. And I still don't see our mission as competing with them. For what? Business? Well, don't get me started... <sigh> The sad thing is that I've got a big backlog of STRAUB family group sheets to create and post, which could have been accomplished with all the time I've devoted to messaging about the changes, but didn't get done. And now summerschool is starting and I've wasted half my break on this fracus. <gritch,whine> I'm not certain I will be allowed to recant my resignations at this point. We shall see. In any case, my web site won't disappear and neither will the mailing list or boards. The list and boards may simply go unhosted for awhile. I'll keep you posted. Diana Jococity@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/29/99 4:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dianagal@ufl.edu > writes: > > > I have received many requests, some quite heartwarming -- and one from > > RootsWeb -- to reconsider my resignations. I owe you all that, at > > least, so I will. > > > > WELCOME BACK DIANA!! > > This is very good news! It sounds like you have had to struggle through alot > of emotions, but we are glad to have you stay for sure! Thanks again for all > your hard work! If we can ever help, let us know. > > Peggy > > ==== STRAUB Mailing List ==== > To search the mailing list Archives for past messages, go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > and enter the name of the list you want to search.

greetings diana, yes, you stay diana girl!!!!! sometimes you've just got to bite the bullet and stay. unless you wouldn't miss us and have too many other things to do. glad you'll be around. nancy

Dear fellow STRAUB/STROUP researchers. I have received many requests, some quite heartwarming -- and one from RootsWeb -- to reconsider my resignations. I owe you all that, at least, so I will. GenConnect is down for the day, so let's see what happens when it's back up again. I will let you know. With many thanks for the kind thoughts, Diana STRAUB listsponsor? STRAUB GenConnect boardsponsor?

Dear fellow STRAUB/STROUP researchers. I have received many requests, some quite heartwarming -- and one from RootsWeb -- to reconsider my resignations. I owe you all that, at least, so I will. GenConnect is down for the day, so let's see what happens when it's back up again. I will let you know. With many thanks for the kind thoughts, Diana STRAUB listsponsor? STROUP GenConnect boardsponsor?

In a message dated 5/29/99 4:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dianagal@ufl.edu writes: > I have received many requests, some quite heartwarming -- and one from > RootsWeb -- to reconsider my resignations. I owe you all that, at > least, so I will. > WELCOME BACK DIANA!! This is very good news! It sounds like you have had to struggle through alot of emotions, but we are glad to have you stay for sure! Thanks again for all your hard work! If we can ever help, let us know. Peggy

I'm sorry to report that the actions of RootsWeb have necessitated my resignation from sponsorship of the STRAUB-L mailing list and the STRAUB GenConnect boards. It is with the deepest regret that I have had to make this decision, but no person with an ounce of self-respect or backbone could accept RootsWeb's recent treatment of its sponsors. The door is open to anyone who wants to take these over, only now there are both STRAUB-L and STROUP-L mailing lists and both STRAUB and STROUP suites of GenConnect boards, with perhaps STROUB, STROUPE, STRAUBE, etc. to follow. RootsWeb is hell-bent on "out GenForuming" GenForum, FTM, the LDS, etc. I will continue to support the STRAUB Home Page and the STRAUB Family Group Sheet project -- in fact, I'm pleased that I will now have more time to devote to the latter. You will no longer be able to link to RootsWeb resources from the STRAUB Home Page. The links are on the new "cluster" boards for each surname. Please accept my apologies for whatever disruption this may mean in terms of service on the list or boards -- all are quiet, so you may notice nothing. I hope RootsWeb does not put me on the Reject List for STRAUB-L, because otherwise I do intend to stay subscribed. However, I will no longer contribute documents to GenConnect, but will post them at my web site, instead, so you might want to check my site occasionally. Wishing you the best of luck in your research, Diana P.S. Be forewarned that if you take on the lists and/or boards, RootsWeb will expect you to work your butt off, keep your mouth shut, and do what you're told -- and, of course, pay them for the privilege of doing so.