Francis, I have a little background information that could help you. Johan Carl (Charles) STRAUB b. 3-7-1744 died in Chapman Twp, Snyder County. He had two sons that I know of who remained in Chapman Twp, Johannes(John) and Johan Heinrich (Henry). One of them could be the grandfather of your Frederick Whistler STROUP. Garry Heagy

Boy are you lucky! I don't know if my wife could have moved me with a stick of dynamite! I would give a lot to have stumbled across such a find as that! My Grandfather, Frederick Whistler Stroup was born in Union County,PA in 1844. I don't have any idea if he was born a 'Stroup' or a 'Straub', I have been trying to unlock that mystery for a long time now. I do know that he later (at age almost 17) enlisted in the Indiana Infantry (Reserve) in 1861 and was discharged in 1865 after being wounded at the battle of Murfreesboro and taken prisoner. He later was married in Michigan and then they wound up in Kansas where I was born. It's so funny that I can (almost) trace his every step after he enlisted at Elkhart IN, but not a thing before.... Good Luck in your Search and I hope that someday you will be able to go back and spend some more time in PA. Francis D. Stroup < frajan@rvi.net > ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry Heagy <gheagy@sgci.com> To: <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 30 July, 1999 4:56 PM Subject: [STRAUB-L] Henry STROUP b. 1-23-1804 | Hi fellow subscribers, | | I'm just back from my summer vacation to North Carolina. On our way back | to Ontario we stopped close to where my STRAUB ancestors lived in | Pennsylvania. My wife has no interest in genealogy, so I did not spend | much time with my distraction. | | My ancestor, Elizabeth STRAUB was born in 1838 in Frosty Valley, Pine Twp, | Columbia County, PA. Her father was Adam, her mother was Mary GRUBER. I | was curious because I'd found a STRAUB church listed in Mahoning Twp, | Montour County, PA, which is next to Columbia County. Directions are | difficult because of the hills, but after getting directions, I think I was | going NE from Danville, Montour County, came to a stop sign, turned right | onto Frosty Valley Road and the STRAUB Lutheran Church was immediately on | my right. The church is still being used, it was built in the 1840's, I | don't know if it is the original structure, the pastor lives across the | road, but both buildings were locked, so I couldn't ask questions. | | There aren't many older gravestones. The only STRAUB connection I found was | of Henry STROUP d. 1-26-1873 aged 68 years, 11 months, 28 days and his wife | Lydia d. 2-22-1869 aged 59 years, 5 months, 18 days. I don't know anything | else about this Henry. In the 1820 census for Mahoning Twp, there's an | Adam STRAUB b. about 1775 and a Joseph STRAUB b. between 1776-1794. Adam | is still listed in the 1830 census but Jospeh is not. Among the older | gravestones are the families BROBST (from Lehigh County), and SIDLER (Maybe | SEIDLER or SITTLER). If anyone has more information on these people I | would be most pleased to receive it. | | Garry | | | ==== STRAUB Mailing List ==== | To find GenConnect country, state, or county boards, | go to the "World Visitor Center" at | http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/qindex.html | |

Hi fellow subscribers, I'm just back from my summer vacation to North Carolina. On our way back to Ontario we stopped close to where my STRAUB ancestors lived in Pennsylvania. My wife has no interest in genealogy, so I did not spend much time with my distraction. My ancestor, Elizabeth STRAUB was born in 1838 in Frosty Valley, Pine Twp, Columbia County, PA. Her father was Adam, her mother was Mary GRUBER. I was curious because I'd found a STRAUB church listed in Mahoning Twp, Montour County, PA, which is next to Columbia County. Directions are difficult because of the hills, but after getting directions, I think I was going NE from Danville, Montour County, came to a stop sign, turned right onto Frosty Valley Road and the STRAUB Lutheran Church was immediately on my right. The church is still being used, it was built in the 1840's, I don't know if it is the original structure, the pastor lives across the road, but both buildings were locked, so I couldn't ask questions. There aren't many older gravestones. The only STRAUB connection I found was of Henry STROUP d. 1-26-1873 aged 68 years, 11 months, 28 days and his wife Lydia d. 2-22-1869 aged 59 years, 5 months, 18 days. I don't know anything else about this Henry. In the 1820 census for Mahoning Twp, there's an Adam STRAUB b. about 1775 and a Joseph STRAUB b. between 1776-1794. Adam is still listed in the 1830 census but Jospeh is not. Among the older gravestones are the families BROBST (from Lehigh County), and SIDLER (Maybe SEIDLER or SITTLER). If anyone has more information on these people I would be most pleased to receive it. Garry

Sorry! I understand that my name ( Stroup ) was also at one time changed from Straub although I have never ever seen anything official to substantiate that. My Grandfather, Frederick W. Stroup was born in Union County, PA in 1844, according to his obituary column. He enlisted in the Indiana Infantry Reserve in 1861 and served until 1865, ( this I have documentation of), but absolutely no inkling of who his parents were or any Siblings that I am sure he must have had! I wish you the best of luck in your quest and if you should ever hear of any info that I might use in furthering mine, I would appreciate your passing it along to me! Regards, Francis D. Stroup < frajan@rvi.net > ----- Original Message ----- From: Cy Hill <rchill@flash.net> To: <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 July, 1999 2:20 PM Subject: [STRAUB-L] Andrew STOUP | I am a new member to this group, and I am looking for the parents of | Andrew STOUP b.1794 in PA, died 1878 in Fountain Co IN. He was a farmer and | his wife was Margaret BODINE 1797-1868. | | Their children: | John Berdine Stoup | Caroline Stoup | David Stoup | Catherine Ann Stoup (Drollinger) | Andrew Jackson Stoup | Mary Jane Stoup (Clutch) | Elizabeth Stoup | George Washington Stoup | Rebecca Stoup (Miller) | | I would love to hear from someone regarding the Stoup surname and | how/when it was changed from Straub... | | Cy (Cynthia) Hill | rchill@flash.net | | | ==== STRAUB Mailing List ==== | To find GenConnect country, state, or county boards, | go to the "World Visitor Center" at | http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/qindex.html | |

I am a new member to this group, and I am looking for the parents of Andrew STOUP b.1794 in PA, died 1878 in Fountain Co IN. He was a farmer and his wife was Margaret BODINE 1797-1868. Their children: John Berdine Stoup Caroline Stoup David Stoup Catherine Ann Stoup (Drollinger) Andrew Jackson Stoup Mary Jane Stoup (Clutch) Elizabeth Stoup George Washington Stoup Rebecca Stoup (Miller) I would love to hear from someone regarding the Stoup surname and how/when it was changed from Straub... Cy (Cynthia) Hill rchill@flash.net

Hi! I have posted a couple of Stroup wills at: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/In/StJosephWill Sue http://www.angelfire.com/mi/GatesDavisGene

Hi list members! I have just posted a bunch of STROUP/STRAUB obits at: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/In/StJosephObits Let me know if you connect to these people at all! Sue http://www.angelfire.com/mi/GatesDavisGene

I was "sweeping" the 1880 census for Lycoming County and McKean County PA last week and recorded the Stroups there. I know one of you had asked about Lycoming County a while back, so I hope this will help you! By the way, my library doesn't have the complete Lycoming County records for 1880, only from p. 394 on, including Washington Twp, Brady Twp, Woodward Twp, Wolf Twp, Picture Rocks Boro, Anthony Twp, Shrewsbury Twp, and 1st 2nd & 3rd wards of Williamsport. Stroup, Sadie, age 20, servant, b. PA, in household of John J. Harrison, East 3rd St, Williamsport 1st Ward, p. 443. Stroup, S.O., age 46, brickmason, b. PA (M, F both born PA), wife Rosetta (43) (b. PA, both parents b. PA); Ch: Jacob (17), (?) Sorene? (10-male), Laura (7), and Charles (4). 1st ward, Williamsport, Wilson Street. Stroup, William, age 29, brickmason, b. PA, both parents b. PA. wife: Cathereine, (23), b. PA. (next door to S. O. above). Stroup, Henry, age 30, laborer, b. PA, both parents b. PA. unemployed 9 months of the calendar year; w: Kate (24), ch: Frank (5), Flora (4); 2nd Ward, Williamsport, Jefferson St, p. 472. Stroup, Henry, age 65, laborer, b. PA, both parents b. PA. also in house, sons John (30), and Charles (23), both laborers and Lucy Porter, daughter; 3rd Ward, Williamsport, p. 506. Stroup, William L., age 31, works planing mill; b. PA, father b. PA, mother b. NI (?); wife: Elizabeth (27), b. PA, father born NI (?), M. borh PA. daughter Rebecca (8); 4th Wd, Williamsport. McKean County Stroup, Jacob, age 36, works on oil well, b. PA; w: Mary E. (29) b. PA, both parents b. PA; ch: Harriet (11), Isabelle (9), Edith (6), Laura (2); Colville Village, McKean County.

I am looking for David Straub who was born in 1845. Recently I found his daughter on the 1920 census in OK. In the listing there, she said her father was born in Wisconsin. I know the family was in Sedan KS in 1881 where this daughter was born. Most references I have seen for Straubs are in PA, so I was hoping perhaps this Wisconsin location in mid 1800s would click with someone. Thanks, Sally Hillis

Sally, I have a Stroup family that moved to Dunn Co., Wisconsin from St. Joseph Co, Indiana around 1910-1920 for awhile, but moved back to Indiana after about 9-10 years. Sue

Hi there, I hope I didn't miss anybody. I was at school tonight and my computer totally locked up on me. Well I couldn't retrieve my emails that I was already behind on and guess what I lost around 500 of them. All the ones from Sunday on. So if anybody sent me ANYTHING...and I know that some of you did, because you told me you were sending stuff, will you please, pretty please resend it. I promise I won't let my mouse get stuck again. This really sucks, so depressing isn't it. I hope this won't be too hard for some of you to resend things. I know that I got some requests from some people on lists about names so email me again. And I know others were sending important suprises! I want to be suprised so I would appreciate if you would send them again. Thanks again, and sorry for the inconvience. Oh by the way, hope your day turned out better than mine! :)) Hear from you all real soon! Thanks, Kristie Dawn Boucher

Dodd, Jordan R., ed. 1993. Virginia Marriages: Early to 1850. Liahona Research, Orem, UT (Broderbund CD-229): | Straub, John | Beard, Elizabeth (Mrs.) | 15 Oct 1846 | Rockbridge Co., VA | This is the only STRAUB marriage on the disk.

>From HARKEY-L-request@rootsweb.com Sun Mar 29 09:23:28 1998 Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by tc3net.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA03561 for <nhark@tc3net.com>; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:23:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA21749; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:09:49 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:09:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803291423.JAA03560@tc3net.com> From: "Nina Harkey" <nhark@tc3net.com> To: "Rootsweb list harkey" <HARKEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:21:42 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [HARKEY-L] Naming Patterns Resent-Message-ID: <"Oah3fB.A.jTF.tYlH1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: HARKEY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HARKEY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/190 X-Loop: HARKEY-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HARKEY-L-request@rootsweb.com Dear Alma and all others, There is indeed a naming "tradition" for german families, not in use much after about mid 1800's at the latest. It started with the Roman Catholics and the Baptists continued the practice. The first name is a baptismal name. If a child's name were given on a birth certificate as "Johannes Martin Herche", for example, the second given name would be the call name by which the person is known to their family and also in legal and secular records. The spiritual (baptismal) name was usually repeated with all the children of that family. That is why it appears all children have the same first name. After baptism the first or spiritual name "disappears" as it were. If a child died very young the full name will in all likelihood be used again for a later child. There may even be several children with the same spiritual and call names in one family. In the absence of birth records it would be reasonably safe to assume that, if there are 2 or 3 children with the EXACT name, only the last child with that name survived infancy. This practice applies to both male and female children. In old German records, if you find a birth certificate or baptismal record for "Johannes Martin Herche" don't continue to look for that name further. In most cases all later documents would list this person as "Martin Herche". This information could help you greatly when looking at ships records, immigration papers and so on. If you have extensive records and some of the names don't make sense, try to apply the naming tradition to your records and you may find some of the different people are really one and the same. Happy Hunting, Nina Harkey -----Original Message----- From: VReeder@aol.com <VReeder@aol.com> To: STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [STRAUB-L] The group who settled in Goshen, Clermont Co., Ohio >Dear Gary et all interested in the Goshen, Clermont Co., O. Straup/b Family >connections: >In answer to your questions written 6-27-99, Garry: >Thank you for the information about the fact that it was the custom to give >the children two names and the person would be called by the second name >rather than as we do today. (ie --Johan Jacob Straub would have been called >Jacob. That is very interesting. > >Now I have just looked on my data base and this is what I have. >Jacob Straub and Framey Fryburger had 16 kids according to my records. After >looking at the names I see I do not have all of the first names listed but >this info. was sent to me from researchers in Clermont Co. several years ago. >You asked for the birth date of Andrew---Interesting---I have April 15, 1808 >for Andrew Straub and then after looking closely to the other children I see >Ellen was born July 11, 1808. Something is nuts here. Someone must be with >the wrong family or the 1808 is incorrect. Your guess is as good as mine. I >have made notes under these names and hopefully this will be resolved soon. >Now about Framey having a second name. She was called Francie in a deed and >it was also written as FRANCA (which to me sounds more German)--and in this >same record they mention 16 kids. >Concerning the Fryburgers: I have mentioned this before to this group and >don't think I've had any answers to this one, but some time ago someone from >Northumberland Co. sent me a newspaper article that states the fact that >Ludwig Fryburger, Framey's father, was Jewish. Did you have any info. about >this? Very interesting I think. >More in a little while. >Ginger in Az. > > > >==== STRAUB Mailing List ==== >To search the mailing list Archives for past messages, go to: >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >and enter the name of the list you want to search. > >

Hi Garry, Thanks for responding, Garry. When I received that newspaper article stating there was a belief that Jacob Fryburger (sp) was thought to be Jewish I really was excited as that opens up a whole new culture and new way to research information in Europe. I thought someone had already done the research. There were so many kids in that family that no doubt someone has already done the research and I just don't know about it. In the past several years I was just too busy writing my book on my mother's lines (Chase, Sherman, Hathaway to name a few) to worry about the Reeder side. Thanks for your comments. Ginger in AZ.

Ginger, I think why there has been no response to your Jewish question is that no one so far knows the background on Framey Freibergher's family. That's certainly the case with me. Garry

You don't find the question of Jacob Fryburger being Jewish not interesting. I certainly do as normally one would think that if they were German they would probably have been Lutheran at that time in history but if they were Jewish then a whole new and interesting culture would emerge thus more, information available. I guess since I lived over there 7 years I found the subject VERY INTERESTING. Ginger in AA.

Thanks for the addtional data, Garry. It sounds like this family still has some pretty "rough edges." We need to start exchanging sources, not just data, so we know which data are well-founded and which are not. It's really too bad the Clermont County site is so devoid of resources. I have to thank my lucky stars that my STRAUBs settled in Marion Co., OH. Thanks mostly to Allen Potts and Sharon Moore, it must be one of the best county sites in the country. Clermont needs some similarly dedicated champions! Garry Heagy wrote: > > Diana, > > You're fast. > > I have Johan Jacob Straub (Stroup) b. 10-24-1788 in Buffalo Twp, Union > County, PA., m. Hetty Adams. > > Concerning the birthdate for Andrew, I have his sister, Ellen b. 7-11-1808. > He could be a twin? > > Garry > > ==== STRAUB Mailing List ==== > To search USGenWeb, WorldGenWeb, and GenConnect sites for your surname, > use the "Surname Helper" search engine at: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/surhelp/srchall.html

VReeder@aol.com wrote: > > Dear Gary et all interested in the Goshen, Clermont Co., O. Straup/b Family > connections: > In answer to your questions written 6-27-99, Garry: > Thank you for the information about the fact that it was the custom to give > the children two names and the person would be called by the second name > rather than as we do today. (ie --Johan Jacob Straub would have been called > Jacob. That is very interesting. There is a group of links on the STRAUB home page http://grove.ufl.edu/~dianagal/Straub/StraubHome.htm called "Useful Links for 'Pennsylvania Deutsch' Researchers" that you might want to peruse. One of the links is to an article on "19th-Century PA German Naming Customs": http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm As for the children and their birthdates, there are several avenues to pursue. One is finding their tombstones. Another might be seeing if Jacob made an application for a pension for his Revolutionary War service. Another would be finding his will, although this would name only his surviving children. Unfortunately, there's almost nothing online at the Clermont County OHGenWeb site. As visiting the county court yourself is probably not an easy option, you might want to consider joining the Clermont County Genealogical Society and the Goshen Township Historical Society, and possibly the Ohio Genealogical Society, to gain access to their resources and assistance. > Concerning the Fryburgers: I have mentioned this before to this group and > don't think I've had any answers to this one, but some time ago someone from > Northumberland Co. sent me a newspaper article that states the fact that > Ludwig Fryburger, Framey's father, was Jewish. Did you have any info. about > this? Very interesting I think. Usually when you don't get an answer to a question, it's because no one knows (or possibly cares) what the answer is. I'm not sure I see why the answer would be so "very" interesting.

Can you tell us what cemetery her tombston is in? So I can add it to the family group sheet. http://grove.ufl.edu/~dianagal/Straub/FGS/JohanJacobStraub-FrancesFrybarger.htm I found the marriage records for Daniel. See his family group sheet. http://grove.ufl.edu/~dianagal/Straub/FGS/DanielStraub-AnnaHaines-MaryShetterly.htm There seems to be some confusion about the date of the marriage to Anna. VReeder@aol.com wrote: > > Attn Garry, > > Back again. > > I found lots of missinfo. with the recordings I have made from different good > intentional people in Claremont Co., so do take that into consideration. > Some is correct and without doubt and other info. perplexing. > One of the confusing ones is this. > I have Framey died at the age of 64 because it was written on her Tombstone > she died June 24, 1833, and her birth was 1769 which would have made her two > years younger than her husband. She is also referred to as a consort. I > have had many laughs about that because if that word is interpreted as it is > today then she had 16 illegitimate children--quite a gal. Ha ha. > Yes, I have Daniel being married to Mary S. as well as Anna Haines. No proof > written here. > I guess if we keep comparing and digging we'll come up with the correct > answer. Right? > I have already learned a lot from you. thanks for sharing. > Ginger, in AZ. > > ==== STRAUB Mailing List ==== > Ben Buckner's JavaScript Birthdate Calculator is at > http://enws347.eas.asu.edu:8000/~buckner/bdjscr.html

I have just put up two family group sheets you may find interesting. http://grove.ufl.edu/~dianagal/Straub/FGS/_Straub-Mary_.htm http://grove.ufl.edu/~dianagal/Straub/FGS/FrederickWhistlerStroup-HenriettaFord.htm Any data you can add will help to complete the puzzle -- and lead to the next discovery. Now that you know Frederick's siblings, it is worth tracking down all of them. You never know which one may hold just the clue you need to find their father. Since Frederick fought during the Civil War, have you tried to find out if he or his widow applied for a pension? A pension application can be extremely useful. Fran Stroup wrote: > > Hello, I am a new member (as of yesterday) and I want to > put in what little I know about my ancestors. > My father's name was Ivan LeRoy and he had brother named > Walter, sisters named Minnie, Lettie,Laura and Alida. > > My Grandfather's name was Frederick Whistler Stroup and > I know (by his obituary) that he was born in Union County, > PA in April of 1844. > He married Henrietta Ford. > He enlisted in the 44th Regiment of the Indiana Infantry > in 1861 and served until 1865. > > This is as far as I can get into the past and sure would appreciate any information that would lead to his parents > and/or siblings. > > Thanks for taking the time to read this. > Francis D Stroup <frajan@rvi.net> > > http://www.rvi.net/~frajan/ > an/ > > ==== STRAUB Mailing List ==== > To find GenConnect country, state, or county boards, > go to the "World Visitor Center" at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/qindex.html