Hi All, My name is Nancy Straub Holben. I am from Benjamin Straub and Elizabeth Hoss who we are almost positive is the brother of Diana's Andrew Straub. Like Diana my brick wall is finding the parents of Benjamin and Andrew and where in PA they lived. I have a Straub web site, its not as complete as Diana's but fill of interesting facts. <A HREF="http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/o/l/Nancy-Holben-ca/index.html">MY STRAUB HOME PAGE</A> . This page is also linked to Diana's web page and hers to mine. Nancy

This is an invitation to introduce yourself to other members of the list and to declare your most pressing STRAUB genealogy question. My STRAUB line is: Andrew S. STRAUB = Nancy CUPP _George Washington STRAUB = Sarah E. CORBIN __Albert Roy STRAUB = Nina WILLIS ___Nina Gale STRAUB = Arthur Robert MATTHIESEN ____moi My brick wall is the parentage of Andrew S. STRAUB, born 1797 in PA, who was in Delaware (now Marion) Co., OH, by 1822. He married first Priscilla CRAWFORD and second Nancy CUPP. He died in 1858 in Waldo, Marion Co., OH. The biggest new leads have come from Nancy Holben, a descendant of Benjamin STRAUB & Elizabeth HAAS. Benjamin shows up in Marion Co. with Andrew and appears to be his brother. Benjamin & Elizabeth married in PA shortly before coming to PA, so the recent revelation that STRAUB, HAAS, GORDON, and WOMER were intermarrying in early Northumberland > then Union > now Snyder Co. gives me hope that, at last, I may know where in PA Andrew came from. Diana

Welcome Back Diana! I see that you got the information for this list ownership alright! Daniel and Elizabeth HAHN STRAUB --Jacob and Hannah GORDON STRAUB ----George and A. BEIGHTOL STRAUB ------John and Ida M. STRAUB FRIEND --------Levie Wilber and Fern Ilea MCDOWELL FRIEND ----------Henry William and Ruth Alberta (Sylvia Jean)WRIGHT-ORNDORFF FRIEND ------------ME! Not to be tooooo confusing here. :) Matthew D. Friend ===== An American Portrait - The Friend Family http://www.geocities.com/friends1995/index.html The Friend Family Association of America http://www.friendfamilyassociation.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

I guess I should just clear the air on this one, especially for those who may not have been on the STRAUB-L list since its inception. I was the original creator/admin of the STRAUB-L mailing list (and of a full suite of Straub GenConnect Boards -- now the Straub Message Boards at Ancestry.com) back in January of 1999. I had done so (including the "donation" required to do so) believing the "RootsWeb Genealogy Data Cooperative" was a non-profit organization. In May of 1999, RootsWeb announced that it had incorporated as a for-profit corporation, and advertising began to appear on the site. My outspoken (understatement) objections to discovering the true nature of RootsWeb led to my resigning and being banned, which meant, among other things, that I couldn not subcribe to any mailing lists based on RootsWeb servers. That ban was in effect until a few weeks ago when negotiations with the new owners of RootsWeb (MyFamily.com, Inc., which also owns Ancestry.com) got me reinstated as a member of STRAUB-L -- and, as of today, reinstated as list administrator. I'm glad to see some of the old faces are still members! We had a vibrant, active group going there for awhile -- making progress and, really, having a lot of fun. With the vastly increased resources online, I know my research is moving ahead more quickly, and I hope yours is, too, and that an active STRAUB-L list will again become a valuable tool. In conjunction with creating the STRAUB-L mailing list and supporting the GenConnect board, I had also started a linked, related STRAUB web site on the RootsWeb servers, making a central location for STRAUB resources. After the ban, I moved the STRAUB web site to a commercial web host -- the fastest host I could find -- which also has the advantage that there is no advertising on the pages. While the STRAUB web site has grown some during the past two years, I had more-or-less put STRAUB research on a back-burner, which is how the rest of my site grew so large -- really, at the expense of STRAUB. http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/index.htm But my late mother was a STRAUB, so this surname is near and dear to me. I have a backlog of STRAUB material to post and family group sheets to update. It is my intention to return to making STRAUB research my priority. I work on all STRAUBs, not just my own line, and I hope I can make the web site truly useful for all STRAUBs. http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/StraubHome.htm It's good to be back. It's good to "see" y'all again. And although we've already got a couple of threads going, perhaps this might be a good time to do a Roll Call -- I've no doubt one hasn't been done in awhile! A Roll Call means giving your STRAUB line and outlining your most pressing STRAUB genealogy question. By the way, let's not forget to NOT post information on living people. Also, no home addresses or telephone numbers, posted to the list. Please exchange such information privately -- for your own security. I'll start the Roll Call with a new message... so you can just delete this one. :-) Diana

Hi Gwen! Yes, it's been awhile. No, I have no problem with your Stephen and Mary. I'm just TERRIBLY behind on getting the web site up to date. There is a great deal of material that has been sent, not just recently, but in past months, too, that I need to incorporate. Please don't hesitate to pester me. I will keep working at getting it online. If you don't mind me quoting you at length and verbatim, I could attach the info you just sent to the Sources of Mary's page. Would that be OK? (With due credit to you, of course.) Diana Gwen Boyer Bjorkman wrote: > > Hi Diana: Your Straub website is truly amazing!! I don't think I have > written to you for a couple of years, but my you have made progress. Who > found the German records for the two Peter Straubs? I do not see the film > number, but I will have to order that film and get copies of the records. > But I also see that you are not quite happy with my Mary Straub who m. > Stephen Smith as a dau of Peter II. What are the real problems that you > have with her? I'll get back on your website and check out more, but I > would love to talk to you about this family. > > Gwen Boyer Bjorkman > gwenbj@seanet.com

Of course, anything I ever send is meant to be copied and used by everyone. That is the only way we ever learn anything is by sharing. I am going to the FHC tomorrow and order that film for Grossgartach and I ordered the book on-line today from Willow Bend Books. Took me forever to find someone on-line that was selling the book, so I will let others know that is where it is. Annette K. Burgert, Grossgartach, Wuerttemberg, to Pennsylvania. Willow Bend Books 65 East Main Street Westminster, MD 21157-5026 410-876-6101 800-876-6103 fax 410-871-2674 bookorder@willowbend.net www.WillowBendBooks.com Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: DianaGM@dgmweb.net [mailto:DianaGM@dgmweb.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:38 PM To: STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [STRAUB-L] Re: Mary Straub Smith, dau of Peter Straub Hi Gwen! Yes, it's been awhile. No, I have no problem with your Stephen and Mary. I'm just TERRIBLY behind on getting the web site up to date. There is a great deal of material that has been sent, not just recently, but in past months, too, that I need to incorporate. Please don't hesitate to pester me. I will keep working at getting it online. If you don't mind me quoting you at length and verbatim, I could attach the info you just sent to the Sources of Mary's page. Would that be OK? (With due credit to you, of course.) Diana

Before you go any further: Daniel Straub b. 1778 who lived in Snyder County was the son of Johan Carl or Charles. Daniel was born in Lynn Twp, Lehigh County. Charles and his family moved to Snyder County before 1790. Heinrich (Henry) Straub, son of Daniel b. 1743, was born 1783 in Lynn Twp. Henry lived in Lynn Twp. His son, Daniel, was born abt 1806.

Hello Shirley, We have more than just two Daniels to keep straight!! And I'm trying to reply to two posts at once, so I hope I can keep straight. And one reason for my confusion is that I thought I replied already, but there is no reply in my "Sent" folder nor did it come back to me from the list. I must have written a draft and forgotten to send it, and now I've lost it. If this message is a repeat, please excuse me, this has been a very hectic four days having made what is, for me, a breakthrough in my STRAUB genealogy -- thanks to a magic mix of information from Matthew Friend and Nancy Holben, at long last helping me find the Pennsylvania county origin of the Delaware/Marion/Hancock Co., Ohio, STRAUBs. Shirley Morton wrote: > > There must have been two Daniel Straubs who lived in that area of Union > County and married an Elizabeth Hahn, because the dates that I have are born > in 1822 and I have no date for his death. In early Northumberland>Union>Snyder Co., PA, there was Daniel STRAUB Sr. (1784/5-1865), who married Elizabeth HAHN, and his son, Daniel STRAUB Jr. (c1805-?), who married Barbara __?__. The one born in 1822 is a different Daniel STRAUB. Shirley Morton wrote: > > According to a niece in MN, her Great Great Uncle Daniel Straub, youngest > son of Elizabeth Steeley Straub Bay, moved to a town near LeSueur, MN, in > 1857. And Daniel's brother John followed in 1865. She states that she has > papers from her Great Grandfather John Straub, Jr. and family legend that > supports the information. I do not have any documented evidence on this, but > it does follow what I have heard from my relatives ( who are all now > deceased). I also show this Daniel STRAUB (b. 1821/2) as the son of John STRAUB & Elizabeth STEELEY. I have a family group sheet at: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/JohnStraub-ElizabethSteeley.htm It was finding out the Widow Elizabeth (STEELEY) STRAUB had married a BAY that allowed me to find her (and Daniel) in the 1850 Census, which record is now on their family group sheet. Thank you for the help, Shirley. Diana

Diana Owen wrote: > 1-Johann Daniel Straub, Sr, born 1743 LeHigh Co., PA > 2-Johann Heinrich Straub, b aft 1765 > 3-Rebecca Straub, b 1804 > 3-Daniel Straub, b 1785 Thank you, so much, Diana. Is this the Johann Daniel born 1743 who married Catherine SCHITZ/SEIDLER and died 1807 in Montour Co., PA? I have a son for him, Johan Heinrich b. 1774-84, but I never knew Heinrich's wife or children. Does your Heinrich have two brothers who married BROBSTs? I seem to have been missing just this one link... that is, what I need is to construct a family group sheet for Johann Heinrich because I got family group sheets from his father up and from his son down, but not for him! Diana

Hi Diana: Your Straub website is truly amazing!! I don't think I have written to you for a couple of years, but my you have made progress. Who found the German records for the two Peter Straubs? I do not see the film number, but I will have to order that film and get copies of the records. But I also see that you are not quite happy with my Mary Straub who m. Stephen Smith as a dau of Peter II. What are the real problems that you have with her? I'll get back on your website and check out more, but I would love to talk to you about this family. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com Notes for Stephen and Mary Straub Smith 1778 taxed in Penn Twp, Northumberland Co, PA. 1780 served as Pvt.. in Lieut. Jacob Bard's Co, Northumberland Co Militia, Penn. Archives, 5th series, VIII: 678. 1784 son John Peter baptized at the old Zion Lutheran Ch, Freeburg. 1787 taxed in Penn Twp, Northumberland Co, PA with 100 acres. 1790 census Northumberland Co, PA, p. 192. 1 3 4. 1800 census Northumberland Co, PA, p. 503. 4 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1. 1801 Henry Kephart, Peter Smith, Stephen Smith, William Smith in Potter twp, Centre Co. John Blair Linn, History of Centre and Clinton Counties, Pennsylvania (Philadelphia: L. H. Everts, 1883) p. 42. 1803 Stephen Smith, tavern keeper at the fort, died. History of Centre County, Pennsylvania, p. 227. Commemorative Biographical Record of Central Pennsylvania (Clearfield County Section), p. 844. John Smith: Name of first known ancestor, came to America at an early date, name of wife or wives unknown. Names of children unknown except that of Stephen Smith. Stephen Smith was born in Pa. in the year 1730 and died in Penn's Valley, Centre Co, Pa. in 1803. Stephan and Maria (Troup) Smith were married 1767. Maria Troup was born in Union County, Pa. in the year 1750 and died in Penn's Valley, Centre Co, Pa. in 1807. Stephen and Maria (Troup) Smith moved from Union County to Penn's Valley in 1792. Stephen Smith was a soldier in the American Revolutionary War. He served as private in Lieut. Jacob Bard's Company, Northumberland County Militia in the year 1780.. . Charles H. Glatfelter, Pastors and People: German Lutheran and Reformed Churches in the Pennsylvania Field, 1717 - 1793, (Breinigsville, PA: The Pennsylvania German Society, 1980) p. 453. Mohr's, Zion. These congregations, located in Washington twp, Snyder Co, date from the 1770's. On April 12, 1774 the proprietors granted Andrew More, Peter Stroup and Casper Roush a warrant for fifty acres in Penns Twp, Northumberland Co. "in trust for a Lutheran Church and School House." A survey of 42 acres was made on 27 April 1774. (Northumberland Warrant M-223 and Copied Survey C-143, p. 40, BLR.) The register opened in 1781 included 70 baptisms performed through 1793. . 1790 census Northumberland Co, PA, p. 191-192. Charles Stroup Jun 1 . 3, David Smith 1 1 2, John Troup 1 2 4, Peter Stroup 2 2 2, Peter Stroup 1 1 1, Andw Shetterley 1 1 2, Adam Stroup 1 3 6, Peter Stroup 1 1 1, Charles Stroup 2 3 4, Stephen Smith 1 3 4; . 1800 census, p. 744, Peter Stroup . . . . 1 . 1 . . 1. . J. H. Newton, History of Venango County, Pennsylvania (J. A. Caldwell, 1879), p. 482, Franklin Twp. David Smith, Sr. The fifth of fifteen children born to Stephen and Maria Smith nee Troup, was born near Trouptown, Union county, Pa., on the 23d of December, 1781. His grandfather, John Smith, was a native of France, and came to Philadelphia with Stephen Girard. He died over 90 years of age. David's father was a Revolutionary soldier. He too, died at an advanced age in 1802. His wife's family came to America at the time of the Hessian importation. She died in 1807, about fifty-six years of age. The family removed to Centre county in 1792. Our subject remembered driving the cattle to the county. He located in Rockland township, Venango county in 1818. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com

Thank you for this info. That move to LeSeuer Co., MN makes sense, as my STRAUB descended grandmother Winona STECKER met and married my grfather John CHAPMAN in MN, and he was born in LeSeuer Co., MN. Thank you for the confirmation !!! Below is what I have on Daniel STECKER. ...I am sure there are others on the list with more information. Please come forward, help sort this out for other listers and keep the list moving :-) 1-Johann Daniel Straub, Sr, born 1743 LeHigh Co., PA 2-Johann Heinrich Straub, b aft 1765 3-Rebecca Straub, b 1804 3-Daniel Straub, b 1785 Hope this helps, Diana Chapman Owen Shirley Morton wrote: > According to a niece in MN, her Great Great Uncle Daniel Straub, youngest > son of Elizabeth Steeley Straub Bay, moved to a town near LeSueur, MN, in > 1857. And Daniel's brother John followed in 1865. She states that she has > papers from her Great Grandfather John Straub, Jr. and family legend that > supports the information. I do not have any documented evidence on this, but > it does follow what I have heard from my relatives ( who are all now > deceased). > Shirley Straub Morton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> > To: <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:47 PM > Subject: [[STRAUB]] Daniel STRAUB, h/o Elizabeth HAHN > > > Did anyone ever identify the parents of the Daniel STRAUB (1784/5-1865) > who > > married Elizabeth HAHN, the one who lived in West Perry Twp., Union>Snyder > > Co., PA? > > > > Diana > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

There must have been two Daniel Straubs who lived in that area of Union County and married an Elizabeth Hahn, because the dates that I have are born in 1822 and I have no date for his death. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: [[STRAUB]] Daniel STRAUB, h/o Elizabeth HAHN > Did anyone ever identify the parents of the Daniel STRAUB (1784/5-1865) who > married Elizabeth HAHN, the one who lived in West Perry Twp., Union>Snyder > Co., PA? > > Diana > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

According to a niece in MN, her Great Great Uncle Daniel Straub, youngest son of Elizabeth Steeley Straub Bay, moved to a town near LeSueur, MN, in 1857. And Daniel's brother John followed in 1865. She states that she has papers from her Great Grandfather John Straub, Jr. and family legend that supports the information. I do not have any documented evidence on this, but it does follow what I have heard from my relatives ( who are all now deceased). Shirley Straub Morton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: [[STRAUB]] Daniel STRAUB, h/o Elizabeth HAHN > Did anyone ever identify the parents of the Daniel STRAUB (1784/5-1865) who > married Elizabeth HAHN, the one who lived in West Perry Twp., Union>Snyder > Co., PA? > > Diana > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

Did anyone ever identify the parents of the Daniel STRAUB (1784/5-1865) who married Elizabeth HAHN, the one who lived in West Perry Twp., Union>Snyder Co., PA? Diana

Matthew, Please accept my apology for calling you "Michael." You can attribute my faux pas to excitement over these findings -- as I would never admit to senility! ;-) Diana

Michael, I'm posting this both to the list and as a reply to your message at the STRAUB Message Board at Ancestry.com. As you found, I have uploaded the 1850 and 1860 census records of Jacob & Hannah (GORDON) STRAUB, as well as the 1880 record of widower George STRAUB in Nebraska to their family group sheets at my web site. If you weren't already aware, I have a web site dedicated to STRAUB at: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/StraubHome.htm Given the birthplaces of the children, your George was still in PA for the 1870 census. I have also found George in an index to the 1870 census, but I have no access to the 1870 film or page images. 1870 is the only census year yet to be completed at Ancestry.com. Fortunately, it is probably only a matter of days before Ancestry.com completes uploading the 1870 images. If I were you, I would write off that George's wife could have been born in Wyoming, not in the 1830s. People just weren't living there then. Explorers, yes; settlers, no. The first census of WY wasn't until 1870. She had her children in PA and died in PA, so I would bet any money that she was born in PA and married in PA -- thus meaning the death certificate was wrong, which is not at all unusual. I hope I haven't stolen your fun for when your 1880 Census CDs arrive, but I am too excited to wait because... Your GORDONs and STRAUBs were intermarrying with HAAS/HASS in Northumberland>Union>Snyder Co., PA. My GG-grandfather's brother, Benjamin STRAUB (b. 1802, PA) married Elizabeth HASS (b. 1802, PA) in PA ca. 1820/21, then moved to Ohio by 1824. I had been unable, up til now, to put HASS and STRAUB together in the same county at the right time -- but here they are!!!! There is a high probability that your Jacob STRAUB (b. 1807/8, PA) is a brother of our Benjamin (b. 1802), Andrew (b. 1797), Joseph (b. 1800-1810), Samuel (b. bef. 1806), and Susanna (b. 1808/9) -- all born in PA -- and there is the further possibility that these are all children of Andrew STRAUB, Founder of Freeburg, Snyder Co., PA. Nothing proven, yet, of course. Please see these family group sheets at my web site: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/AndrewStraub-Barbara_-of-Freeburg.htm http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/JacobStraub-HannahGordon.htm http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/WillisGordon-ElizabethSnyder.htm http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/GeorgeStraub-ABeightol.htm The URL to George's page will probably change when we determine for certain his wife's exact, full name. Thank you for the lead, Michael. Finding out Hannah's maiden name opened a whole new door. Let's keep hunting and keep sharing! Diana P.S. Benjamin STRAUB & Elizabeth HASS/HAAS are Nancy Holben's family. I'm certain she'll be just as thrilled.

I agree that this geographical hop-scotch is bizarre. But my guess would be that some of the records are incorrect. The problem with death certificates is that they depend on the knowledge of the informant who, well, may be misinformed. One of my great-uncles was the informant on the death certificate of his mother and two of his siblings. He gave three different birth dates and places for his mother, all three of which were wrong. He obviously didn't know when or where his mother was born, but wasn't going to admit he didn't know. Death certificates are very accurate as to time and place of death, the accuracy of information on them goes downhill from there. You might find this page of interest: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/Misc/Common/ReliabilityDeathCertTombstone.htm As for spelling, our ancestors were mostly illiterate. They didn't know how to spell their names, so they got written down however some clerk thought the name he was hearing might be spelled. And if it was an English-speaking clerk writing down the name of a German-speaking person, the spelling of the name got slaughtered. You might find this page of interest: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/Misc/Common/Spelling.htm But I have some interesting findings, while I'll put in my next post. Diana The Friend Family wrote: > > Yes Diana! > > I realize that but I find it rather odd for my A. > Beightol name was spelled this way on my great > grandmother's death certificate. Also, I found it odd > for her to be born in Wyoming and married in > Pennsylvania and had her daughter born there too. > Than all of sudden my great grandmother is married in > Nebraska. That is why I can't wait for the 1880 > census to see where the whole family went. > > Matthew D. Friend

Yes Diana! I realize that but I find it rather odd for my A. Beightol name was spelled this way on my great grandmother's death certificate. Also, I found it odd for her to be born in Wyoming and married in Pennsylvania and had her daughter born there too. Than all of sudden my great grandmother is married in Nebraska. That is why I can't wait for the 1880 census to see where the whole family went. Matthew D. Friend --- Diana Gale Matthiesen <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> wrote: > Well, I jumped the gun a bit. This *is* your > couple, which means the URL > to their page has changed to: > > http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/JacobStraub-HannahGordon.htm > > By the way, BEIGHTOL may be a phonetic misspelling > of German BECHTOL, so be > sure to check that spelling, too. > > Diana > > > ==== STRAUB Mailing List ==== > This STRAUB list is currently available for > adoption! > Interested in becoming the list manager? Go here: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptrequest.html > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > ===== An American Portrait - The Friend Family http://www.geocities.com/friends1995/index.html The Friend Family Association of America http://www.friendfamilyassociation.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

Well, I jumped the gun a bit. This *is* your couple, which means the URL to their page has changed to: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/JacobStraub-HannahGordon.htm By the way, BEIGHTOL may be a phonetic misspelling of German BECHTOL, so be sure to check that spelling, too. Diana

Matthew, I think I may have something for you: Jacob & Hannah STRAUB in the 1850 Census of Union [now Snyder] Co., PA, with son, George, age 15. Check out family group sheet at: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/JacobStraub-Hannah_.htm My 1880 census CDs from the LDS came last week. Wow, have I been making some breakthroughs! This has to be the single greatest advance in the history of genealogy. Truly a monumental achievement -- on 55 CDs!!! Now, if only they will do the same for all census years! Diana