Sue, I have a family group sheet of your Samuel STRAUB: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/SamuelHStraub-SarahAnnMains-Sophia_.htm I have also been working on the 1860 Census, focusing on Snyder Co.: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/PA/PACensusStraub/1860.htm Your Samuel cannot be the son of Isaac and Sophia because their son, Samuel, is still living with them in the 1860 Census. Your Samuel is the son of David STRAUB & Anna Maria __?__. See http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/DavidStraub-AnnaMaria_.htm and http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/PA/PACensusStraub/1850.htm If you get back to Snyder Co., the place I'd recommend digging is in the County Courthouse. It's dull, tedious work, but I've found some of my most important clues in deeds and tax lists. Of, if you're near and LDS FHC (Family History Center), borrow Snyder Co. microfilms through them. Good hunting, Diana Sue Steward wrote: > > My name is Sue Steward. My husband's great grandfather was Sopharus "Phares/Pharus" Straub, born in Freeburg (Snyder County), PA 13 Sep 1858. He died 2 Feb 1944 in Halsey (Linn County), Oregon. He married Margaret "Maggie" Hoffer also from Snyder County, PA. My only source for the birthplace is family tradition and his death certificate which lists his birthplace (the information was provided by his wife, Maggie). > > The only information I had on him was that his father was Samuel Straub and Sarah Mains. > > Last Dec I put a query on the List and Jim Burnell sent me information on the 1860 Snyder County census showing Samuel (age 21), Sarah (age 22) and Pharus (1 year-old) > > Jim also indicated that it appears that Samuel was the son of Isaac and Sophia Straub and gave me information from the 1850 Union County, Washington Twp census: Isaac (31) Sophia (33) Eli (10), Samuel (9), George (6), Sussanah (4) and Matilda (1). > > I visited PA this summer with my mother-in-law and sister-in-law. We went to Freeburg and looked around. Walked through cemeteries looking for Straubs. Then went to Selinsgrove to the public library and did some checking but didn't come up with much, I would have spent more time at the library but my mother-in-law (granddaughter of Sopharus Straub) is 88 years old and was tiring. > > I would appreciate any help and any information on this line. > > Sue Steward (ssteward@ccountry.net)

Garry, You have chosen the most difficult, most unresolved, hair-pulling <bleep> of a conundrum to tackle. ;-) If you will check my census pages: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/PA/PACensusStraub/1800.htm http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/PA/PACensusStraub/1810.htm you will see that I do not have any family group sheet linked to the Andrew in Penn Twp. in 1800 or to the Andrew in Greenwood Twp. in 1820. If you will recall, three years ago, we wrestled mightily with the various Andrews in PA around that time frame, and in the end, I gave up. Given that Andrew founded Freeburg in 1796, he *ought* to be the Andrew in Penn Twp. in the 1800 Census, but I do not see how it is remotely possible to derive the household in Greenwood Twp. in 1810 from the one in Penn Twp. in 1800. The problem here is that we are working in a vacuum -- a lack of data. I had assumed, up til now, that someone must have already looked at these records and that whatever was to be found had been found (as in nothing). But a trip to the LDS online library card catalog shows an abundance of records that surely should help, the tax records, for example. Those can greatly help locate someone when they've been missed by the census. For reasons I won't belabor, there's no hope in the near future (possibly ever) of my getting to PA, and I don't have easy access to an LDS Family History Center. I *will* have easy access when I move back to California, which I hope will be in the next few years, but until then, I just decided to put the Andrew question on hold. If someone wants to tackle it in the meantime, the first place I would look is the tax lists for Northumberland, Union, and Snyder Cos. The lists are extant because I just checked the LDS online library card catalog. People escape the census-taker much more easily than they do the tax collector. It's not going to do any good, I think, to just keep rehashing the data we have. We don't have enough. One last thing, we do not know, for a fact, that Andrew was born in Penn Twp. People are assuming it is so, but I see no proof. Fisher, in his "Snyder County Pioneers," said he did not know when or where Andrew was born or when or where he died - and he was uncertain that Peter & Catherine were his parents. Yes, there is a baptismal record for an Andrew (b. 1770) but we don't know where that baptism took place ("on a trip to Shamokin") and we have no proof that *that* Andrew founded Freeburg. Yes, it could be, but assuming that he is could be leading us on a wild goose chase. When you pare it down to what we really know about Andrew of Freeburg, it isn't much, which is why I have that WARNING on his family group sheet that it isn't "right." Diana Garry Heagy wrote: > > I've noticed that on Diana's website Andrew b. 1770 is linked to the 1810 > census in Greenwood Twp, Juniata County. (31010-11101) This Andrew should > be the same one listed in the 1800 census in Penns Twp, Snyder County. > (31010-10010) Penn Twp is where he was born and where his family lived. > > It's curious that the numbers for the males are the same. We've been told > the woman over 45 in the 1810 census is Andrew's mother. If this is true > and the numbers are correct, then Andrew's wife is not listed with him in > 1810.

I've noticed that on Diana's website Andrew b. 1770 is linked to the 1810 census in Greenwood Twp, Juniata County. (31010-11101) This Andrew should be the same one listed in the 1800 census in Penns Twp, Snyder County. (31010-10010) Penn Twp is where he was born and where his family lived. It's curious that the numbers for the males are the same. We've been told the woman over 45 in the 1810 census is Andrew's mother. If this is true and the numbers are correct, then Andrew's wife is not listed with him in 1810.

Here's what I see: In the 1850 census, Isaac Straub has a son, Samuel , who is 9. (Born 1841-2) In the 1850 census (Chapman Twp), Anna Maria Straub (husband has probably died) has a son, Samuel, who is 12. (Born 1838-9) In the 1860 census, Samuel is 21. (Born 1839-40)

My name is Sue Steward. My husband's great grandfather was Sopharus "Phares/Pharus" Straub, born in Freeburg (Snyder County), PA 13 Sep 1858. He died 2 Feb 1944 in Halsey (Linn County), Oregon. He married Margaret "Maggie" Hoffer also from Snyder County, PA. My only source for the birthplace is family tradition and his death certificate which lists his birthplace (the information was provided by his wife, Maggie). The only information I had on him was that his father was Samuel Straub and Sarah Mains. Last Dec I put a query on the List and Jim Burnell sent me information on the 1860 Snyder County census showing Samuel (age 21), Sarah (age 22) and Pharus (1 year-old) Jim also indicated that it appears that Samuel was the son of Isaac and Sophia Straub and gave me information from the 1850 Union County, Washington Twp census: Isaac (31) Sophia (33) Eli (10), Samuel (9), George (6), Sussanah (4) and Matilda (1). I visited PA this summer with my mother-in-law and sister-in-law. We went to Freeburg and looked around. Walked through cemeteries looking for Straubs. Then went to Selinsgrove to the public library and did some checking but didn't come up with much, I would have spent more time at the library but my mother-in-law (granddaughter of Sopharus Straub) is 88 years old and was tiring. I would appreciate any help and any information on this line. Sue Steward (ssteward@ccountry.net)

I received my copy of the following book yesterday: Annette Kunselman Burgert, "Grossgartach, Wuerttemberg, to Pennsylvania: Some Early Colonial German Immigrants" (Myerstown, PA: AKB Publications, 1999) It has just as you quoted: In a file at WorldConnect, William Brobst says "Hans Peter STRAUB," b. 18 Feb 1695 in Grossgartach, was the son of Hans Adam STRAUB and Anna Barbara DETSCHLER. That is what is in the book. There is absolutely no mention of the following couple even though the Kettemann family is included in the book: Grossgartach, Wuerttemberg, Germany (church records) Johann Peter Straub born 18 Feb 1695 to Hans Kristoph Straub and Anna Elisabetha Kettemann. Hans Kristopf Straub is the son of Martin Straub and Margaretha. Anna Elisabetha Kettemann is the daughter of Jorg Kettemann and Margaretha. Now, I can hardly wait for the film to arrive at the Family History Center so that we can find out which one has the right parents for the birth that took place on 18 Feb 1695!! Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com

Hi all, In my excitement to the reply I got from the Sandusky United Brethren in Findlay, Ohio. I forgot to give some info. When I was in Findlay last Sept. (I live in Calif.) I stopped by and spoke with some people at St. Marks Lutheran church and they told me that St. Pauls Lutheran was once known as Sandusky United Brethern way back when. No date of when they changed over was known. Sandusky is one of the main Blvd's in Findlay and that was the street on which the United Brethren church was so that's how the name Sandusky was given to that United Brethren church. Benjamin and family was living in Findlay at the time stated in the letter, 1851. I was hoping for family info and they didn't have any but I think the info will be helpful. If any one has any info on this topic please let me know. Any others Straubs belonging to either church will be appreciated. Nancy

Ginger, I, too, show the Daniel STROUP who married Mary SHATTERLY to be the son of Jacob STROUP and Framey FRYBARGER. I don't know if he is related to the Daniel STRAUB (1784/5- ) who married Elizabeth HAHN. There appears to be too much uncertainty as to the latter Daniel's parents. Unfortunately, for us, Daniel was a popular name among STRAUBs/STROUPs. I show 27 Daniels in my index! http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/EveryNameIndex-just-Straub.htm#D Diana VReeder@aol.com wrote: > > Diana, > > Was your Daniel Straub a relation to the Daniel Stroup born in 1805 and > married Mary/Martha Shatterly? > I have Daniel the son of Jacob Stroup/aub and Framey Fryburger. > Ginger in AZ

Diana, Was your Daniel Straub a relation to the Daniel Stroup born in 1805 and married Mary/Martha Shatterly? I have Daniel the son of Jacob Stroup/aub and Framey Fryburger. Ginger in AZ

I think it's very important that we get to the bottom of this, Shirley. Obviously, the "tradition" that Andrew, founder of Freeburg, died a pauper in 1826 is looking a bit fishy at this point. I'll be happy to plow through these deeds and abstract them. Thankfully, I'm a fast touch typist, so it's not an ordeal for me. I've sent you my USPS address in a private message. I do appreciate that we are benefiting from your years of hard work collecting these photocopies. I know I can speak for all of us when I say we are grateful that you are willing to share them. I'll do my best to make them available for everyone via the web site -- with due credit to you, of course. This business of the Andrews in this cluster of counties in the last 1700s and early 1800s has been driving me nuts. But I live in Florida, and have little prospect for making a trip to PA any time soon, if ever. Diana Shirley Morton wrote: > > Diana, I don't see how the deeds that I have are from anyone other than > Andrew who bought land from his father, Peter STROUP on 15 Jun 1792, sold to > Peter Fries on 29 April 1796,sold land to John STRAUB on15 Nov 1816, sold > two lots from the Heilbourn to John Raush for building the town of Freeburg, > sold land to John Raush for eight pounds on 30 April 1803 and hundreds of > other transactions over more than 50 years. His signature is the same on all > of them. On many deeds, after 1803, Barbara 's mark was also on the deeds. I > may have missed some before 1803. I would be pleased to share any of this > information with the Straub researchers. I have the copies of the deeds from > the various county courthouses. How would you like me to share this > information? Oh, yes, in answer to your question, the latest deed that I > found was sold in Centre County. It did say Andrew of Penn Township. In > Dunkelberger's book , he said that Andrew died in Penn Township. > Shirley STRAUB Morton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> > To: <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:01 PM > Subject: [STRAUB-L] Andrew STRAUBs > > > Shirley Morton wrote: > > > > > > Garry, Thanks for the information. I will add that to my folder. I have > > > another question . This is about Andrew Straub. I just read a message > that > > > Jim Burnell had put on RootsWeb about the will you found for Andrew. > > > > This was the will of Andrew STRAUB II (1748-1806), founder of Milton. > > > > http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/AndrewStraub-EvaMariaWalter.htm > > > > > http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/CourtRecords/Will-AndrewStraub1748-1806 > .htm > > > > This Andrew's will shows he had extensive real estate holdings -- and not > > just in PA. But he died in 1806 and his wife was not Barbara, so he is > > obviously not the Andrew whose deeds you were reviewing. > > > > > Two > > > years ago, I had done some extensive research on Andrew, founder of > > > Freeburg, Snyder, PA. While visiting the county offices in Centre, > Mifflin, > > > Perry, Juniata, Union, Nothumberland and Cumberland, I found that Andrew > and > > > his wife, Barbara, had bought and sold many parcels of land from 1809 to > > > 1847. > > > > The person you have been studying is Andrew STRAUB III (1788- ), son of > > Andrew STRAUB II (1748-1806), founder of Milton. > > > > http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/FGS/Straub/AndrewStraubIII-Barbara_.htm > > > > Andrew III came of age and into his inheritance in 1809, which explains > why > > those transactions started in 1809. Andrew III was in Milton the 1810 and > > 1820 censuses. > > > > > Andrew had sold many in the years before 1809. In Centre County alone, > > > there were over 60 parcels sold. I checked on Andrew's signatures and > they > > > all match. Barbara just made her mark. I made copies of some of the deed > > > transactions, but there were just too many to make copies of all of > them. I > > > did copy the reference numbers on most of the ones in Centre County. But > I > > > ran out of time to do more. According to George Franklin Dunkelberger in > The > > > Story of Snyder County, page 134, he states that Andrew died while > living in > > > the old stone house on Paul Kuster's farm which is a few miles west of > > > Selinsgrove in Penn Township. My question to you is: where did you find > > > Andrew's will? > > > > The will, as mentioned above, is that of the founder of Milton, not the > > founder of Freeburg. > > > > > Is his signature a > > > match with the deed for the one on Freeburg lots > > > which he donated? > > > > Neither the man making the real estate transactions, nor the man whose > will > > has been referred to, is the founder of Freeburg. Secondary sources say > > the founder of Freeburg died a pauper in 1826, so he almost certainly did > > not leave a will. Nor was he around to be dealing in real estate in 1847. > > > > > I have not done much research in the last year because of health > problems. > > > But my health is much better now. Shiley Straub Morton > > > > I'm sorry to hear you have been ill, but much relieved to hear you are > > better. You are such a storehouse of STRAUB knowledge, your participation > > on the list has always been greatly valued. And in this instance, I would > > be greatly appreciative if you could abstract those deeds. Or send the > > photocopies to me, so I can abstract them. > > > > I'm particularly curious to know where this Andrew was "of" when he sold > > parcels. I loose track of him after the 1810 census, but your research > > clearly shows he was alive until at least 1847 -- and if only he had lived > > to be enumerated in the 1850 Census! Surely, a man as prosperous as this > > one -- Andrew III, s/o the found of Milton -- left a will. I would LOVE > to > > know who his children were! > > > > Shirley, do your deeds give any clue where Andrew III was living in 1847? > > > > Diana > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online--FREE for 14 Days > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1238

Diana, You mentioned abstracting the deeds. Since there are so many, I will have to think about how to get them to you. My friend, the genealogist, Debbe Hagner, would probably send them for me, but she has a very busy schedule with several new clients and a wedding. I am a lousy typist. Although the last deed that I saw said 1847, does not mean that Andrew died that year. Some of the dates are different at the first part and then there is another date at the end. I think it has something to do with a mortgage. I did not have time to look at all of the mortgage books. Immediately, I will make copies of some of the deeds and send them to whatever address you tell me. Then I will decide what to do with the rest. Thank you for all of the good work you are doing. Shirley STRAUB Morton

Diana, I don't see how the deeds that I have are from anyone other than Andrew who bought land from his father, Peter STROUP on 15 Jun 1792, sold to Peter Fries on 29 April 1796,sold land to John STRAUB on15 Nov 1816, sold two lots from the Heilbourn to John Raush for building the town of Freeburg, sold land to John Raush for eight pounds on 30 April 1803 and hundreds of other transactions over more than 50 years. His signature is the same on all of them. On many deeds, after 1803, Barbara 's mark was also on the deeds. I may have missed some before 1803. I would be pleased to share any of this information with the Straub researchers. I have the copies of the deeds from the various county courthouses. How would you like me to share this information? Oh, yes, in answer to your question, the latest deed that I found was sold in Centre County. It did say Andrew of Penn Township. In Dunkelberger's book , he said that Andrew died in Penn Township. Shirley STRAUB Morton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: [STRAUB-L] Andrew STRAUBs > Shirley Morton wrote: > > > > Garry, Thanks for the information. I will add that to my folder. I have > > another question . This is about Andrew Straub. I just read a message that > > Jim Burnell had put on RootsWeb about the will you found for Andrew. > > This was the will of Andrew STRAUB II (1748-1806), founder of Milton. > > http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/AndrewStraub-EvaMariaWalter.htm > > http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/CourtRecords/Will-AndrewStraub1748-1806 .htm > > This Andrew's will shows he had extensive real estate holdings -- and not > just in PA. But he died in 1806 and his wife was not Barbara, so he is > obviously not the Andrew whose deeds you were reviewing. > > > Two > > years ago, I had done some extensive research on Andrew, founder of > > Freeburg, Snyder, PA. While visiting the county offices in Centre, Mifflin, > > Perry, Juniata, Union, Nothumberland and Cumberland, I found that Andrew and > > his wife, Barbara, had bought and sold many parcels of land from 1809 to > > 1847. > > The person you have been studying is Andrew STRAUB III (1788- ), son of > Andrew STRAUB II (1748-1806), founder of Milton. > > http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/FGS/Straub/AndrewStraubIII-Barbara_.htm > > Andrew III came of age and into his inheritance in 1809, which explains why > those transactions started in 1809. Andrew III was in Milton the 1810 and > 1820 censuses. > > > Andrew had sold many in the years before 1809. In Centre County alone, > > there were over 60 parcels sold. I checked on Andrew's signatures and they > > all match. Barbara just made her mark. I made copies of some of the deed > > transactions, but there were just too many to make copies of all of them. I > > did copy the reference numbers on most of the ones in Centre County. But I > > ran out of time to do more. According to George Franklin Dunkelberger in The > > Story of Snyder County, page 134, he states that Andrew died while living in > > the old stone house on Paul Kuster's farm which is a few miles west of > > Selinsgrove in Penn Township. My question to you is: where did you find > > Andrew's will? > > The will, as mentioned above, is that of the founder of Milton, not the > founder of Freeburg. > > > Is his signature a > > match with the deed for the one on Freeburg lots > > which he donated? > > Neither the man making the real estate transactions, nor the man whose will > has been referred to, is the founder of Freeburg. Secondary sources say > the founder of Freeburg died a pauper in 1826, so he almost certainly did > not leave a will. Nor was he around to be dealing in real estate in 1847. > > > I have not done much research in the last year because of health problems. > > But my health is much better now. Shiley Straub Morton > > I'm sorry to hear you have been ill, but much relieved to hear you are > better. You are such a storehouse of STRAUB knowledge, your participation > on the list has always been greatly valued. And in this instance, I would > be greatly appreciative if you could abstract those deeds. Or send the > photocopies to me, so I can abstract them. > > I'm particularly curious to know where this Andrew was "of" when he sold > parcels. I loose track of him after the 1810 census, but your research > clearly shows he was alive until at least 1847 -- and if only he had lived > to be enumerated in the 1850 Census! Surely, a man as prosperous as this > one -- Andrew III, s/o the found of Milton -- left a will. I would LOVE to > know who his children were! > > Shirley, do your deeds give any clue where Andrew III was living in 1847? > > Diana > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >

Marlene, The LDS shows James STROUP & Mary K. PHILLIPS with a son John Lawrence STROUP, b. 8 Oct 1859 in St. Genevieve Co., MO, d. 11 Apr 1941. I do not have an index to the 1860 MO census. Do you know where James was in the 1860 census? I'd like to see the record to confirm/refute this 7th child (who is not present in the 1880 census, but old enough to have left the nest by then). http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/JamesMStroup-MaryKatherinePhillips.htm Diana Marlene Knott wrote: > > To all you Stroup/Straub researchers: > Thanks for your quick reply to my call for help. You have given me some new > ideas and places to look. I really appreciate it. In answer to your question > about whether James and Peter were actually children of Bernard and Jane... Yes, > James M. Stroup, my g grandfather b. 1832 m. Mary Katherine Phillips (6 > children) d. 23 Apr 1900 and is buried in Baxter Springs, Cherokee, KA. I have > a copy of Bernard's will in which most of the children are named. A few of them > are buried in Martinsburg, but James left and moved to Centralia, Marion, IL as > a young man. A lot of the Phillips' family still live there and I have been to > a few family reunions there. Have been to most of the graves of those I know. > It seemed that after James left PA he didn't have much to do with the Stroup > family. I'll check out the sources that you gave me. Thanks Garry, Shirley and > Diana!

Shirley Morton wrote: > > Garry, Thanks for the information. I will add that to my folder. I have > another question . This is about Andrew Straub. I just read a message that > Jim Burnell had put on RootsWeb about the will you found for Andrew. This was the will of Andrew STRAUB II (1748-1806), founder of Milton. http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/FGS/AndrewStraub-EvaMariaWalter.htm http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/Straub/CourtRecords/Will-AndrewStraub1748-1806.htm This Andrew's will shows he had extensive real estate holdings -- and not just in PA. But he died in 1806 and his wife was not Barbara, so he is obviously not the Andrew whose deeds you were reviewing. > Two > years ago, I had done some extensive research on Andrew, founder of > Freeburg, Snyder, PA. While visiting the county offices in Centre, Mifflin, > Perry, Juniata, Union, Nothumberland and Cumberland, I found that Andrew and > his wife, Barbara, had bought and sold many parcels of land from 1809 to > 1847. The person you have been studying is Andrew STRAUB III (1788- ), son of Andrew STRAUB II (1748-1806), founder of Milton. http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/6/FGS/Straub/AndrewStraubIII-Barbara_.htm Andrew III came of age and into his inheritance in 1809, which explains why those transactions started in 1809. Andrew III was in Milton the 1810 and 1820 censuses. > Andrew had sold many in the years before 1809. In Centre County alone, > there were over 60 parcels sold. I checked on Andrew's signatures and they > all match. Barbara just made her mark. I made copies of some of the deed > transactions, but there were just too many to make copies of all of them. I > did copy the reference numbers on most of the ones in Centre County. But I > ran out of time to do more. According to George Franklin Dunkelberger in The > Story of Snyder County, page 134, he states that Andrew died while living in > the old stone house on Paul Kuster's farm which is a few miles west of > Selinsgrove in Penn Township. My question to you is: where did you find > Andrew's will? The will, as mentioned above, is that of the founder of Milton, not the founder of Freeburg. > Is his signature a > match with the deed for the one on Freeburg lots > which he donated? Neither the man making the real estate transactions, nor the man whose will has been referred to, is the founder of Freeburg. Secondary sources say the founder of Freeburg died a pauper in 1826, so he almost certainly did not leave a will. Nor was he around to be dealing in real estate in 1847. > I have not done much research in the last year because of health problems. > But my health is much better now. Shiley Straub Morton I'm sorry to hear you have been ill, but much relieved to hear you are better. You are such a storehouse of STRAUB knowledge, your participation on the list has always been greatly valued. And in this instance, I would be greatly appreciative if you could abstract those deeds. Or send the photocopies to me, so I can abstract them. I'm particularly curious to know where this Andrew was "of" when he sold parcels. I loose track of him after the 1810 census, but your research clearly shows he was alive until at least 1847 -- and if only he had lived to be enumerated in the 1850 Census! Surely, a man as prosperous as this one -- Andrew III, s/o the found of Milton -- left a will. I would LOVE to know who his children were! Shirley, do your deeds give any clue where Andrew III was living in 1847? Diana

Shirley, The only Will of Andrew's that comes to mind is Andrew Straub of Milton. He had numerous parcels of land mentioned in his Will. I have his son, Andrew b 1788, with a wife named Barbara. Check Diana's website for the Will.

Garry, if that wasn't you, I apologize. I just threw out your name as a suggestion as the person who quoted the Andrew Straub will on the listserve a couple years ago. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Morton <ssmorton@gte.net> To: <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [STRAUB-L] Bernard STROUP > Garry, Thanks for the information. I will add that to my folder. I have > another question . This is about Andrew Straub. I just read a message that > Jim Burnell had put on RootsWeb about the will you found for Andrew. Two > years ago, I had done some extensive research on Andrew, founder of > Freeburg, Snyder, PA. While visiting the county offices in Centre, Mifflin, > Perry, Juniata, Union, Nothumberland and Cumberland, I found that Andrew and > his wife, Barbara, had bought and sold many parcels of land from 1809 to > 1847. Andrew had sold many in the years before 1809. In Centre County alone, > there were over 60 parcels sold. I checked on Andrew's signatures and they > all match. Barbara just made her mark. I made copies of some of the deed > transactions, but there were just too many to make copies of all of them. I > did copy the reference numbers on most of the ones in Centre County. But I > ran out of time to do more.According toGeorge Franklin Dunkelberger in The > Story of Snyder County, page 134, he states that Andrew died while living in > the old stone house on Paul Kuster's farm which is a few miles west of > Selinsgrove in Penn Township. My question to you is: where did you find > Andrew's will? Is his signature a match with the deed for the one on > Freeburg lots which he donated? > I have not done much research in the last year because of health problems. > But my health is much better now. Shiley Straub Morton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garry Heagy" <gheagy@sgci.com> > To: <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:05 AM > Subject: Re: [STRAUB-L] Bernard STROUP > > > > Bernhard and Caritas Straub lived in the vicinity of St. Paul's Blue > Church, > > Upper Saucon Twp, Lehigh County, PA around 1760. They had the following > > children baptised there: > > > > Johannes b abt 1756 > > Catharine b. abt 1760 > > Georg b. September 3, 1757 > > > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

To all you Stroup/Straub researchers: Thanks for your quick reply to my call for help. You have given me some new ideas and places to look. I really appreciate it. In answer to your question about whether James and Peter were actually children of Bernard and Jane... Yes, James M. Stroup, my g grandfather b. 1832 m. Mary Katherine Phillips (6 children) d. 23 Apr 1900 and is buried in Baxter Springs, Cherokee, KA. I have a copy of Bernard's will in which most of the children are named. A few of them are buried in Martinsburg, but James left and moved to Centralia, Marion, IL as a young man. A lot of the Phillips' family still live there and I have been to a few family reunions there. Have been to most of the graves of those I know. It seemed that after James left PA he didn't have much to do with the Stroup family. I'll check out the sources that you gave me. Thanks Garry, Shirley and Diana! Shirley Morton wrote: > Garry, Thanks for the information. I will add that to my folder. I have > another question . This is about Andrew Straub. I just read a message that > Jim Burnell had put on RootsWeb about the will you found for Andrew. Two > years ago, I had done some extensive research on Andrew, founder of > Freeburg, Snyder, PA. While visiting the county offices in Centre, Mifflin, > Perry, Juniata, Union, Nothumberland and Cumberland, I found that Andrew and > his wife, Barbara, had bought and sold many parcels of land from 1809 to > 1847. Andrew had sold many in the years before 1809. In Centre County alone, > there were over 60 parcels sold. I checked on Andrew's signatures and they > all match. Barbara just made her mark. I made copies of some of the deed > transactions, but there were just too many to make copies of all of them. I > did copy the reference numbers on most of the ones in Centre County. But I > ran out of time to do more.According toGeorge Franklin Dunkelberger in The > Story of Snyder County, page 134, he states that Andrew died while living in > the old stone house on Paul Kuster's farm which is a few miles west of > Selinsgrove in Penn Township. My question to you is: where did you find > Andrew's will? Is his signature a match with the deed for the one on > Freeburg lots which he donated? > I have not done much research in the last year because of health problems. > But my health is much better now. Shiley Straub Morton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garry Heagy" <gheagy@sgci.com> > To: <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:05 AM > Subject: Re: [STRAUB-L] Bernard STROUP > > > Bernhard and Caritas Straub lived in the vicinity of St. Paul's Blue > Church, > > Upper Saucon Twp, Lehigh County, PA around 1760. They had the following > > children baptised there: > > > > Johannes b abt 1756 > > Catharine b. abt 1760 > > Georg b. September 3, 1757 > > > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Garry, Thanks for the information. I will add that to my folder. I have another question . This is about Andrew Straub. I just read a message that Jim Burnell had put on RootsWeb about the will you found for Andrew. Two years ago, I had done some extensive research on Andrew, founder of Freeburg, Snyder, PA. While visiting the county offices in Centre, Mifflin, Perry, Juniata, Union, Nothumberland and Cumberland, I found that Andrew and his wife, Barbara, had bought and sold many parcels of land from 1809 to 1847. Andrew had sold many in the years before 1809. In Centre County alone, there were over 60 parcels sold. I checked on Andrew's signatures and they all match. Barbara just made her mark. I made copies of some of the deed transactions, but there were just too many to make copies of all of them. I did copy the reference numbers on most of the ones in Centre County. But I ran out of time to do more.According toGeorge Franklin Dunkelberger in The Story of Snyder County, page 134, he states that Andrew died while living in the old stone house on Paul Kuster's farm which is a few miles west of Selinsgrove in Penn Township. My question to you is: where did you find Andrew's will? Is his signature a match with the deed for the one on Freeburg lots which he donated? I have not done much research in the last year because of health problems. But my health is much better now. Shiley Straub Morton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry Heagy" <gheagy@sgci.com> To: <STRAUB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [STRAUB-L] Bernard STROUP > Bernhard and Caritas Straub lived in the vicinity of St. Paul's Blue Church, > Upper Saucon Twp, Lehigh County, PA around 1760. They had the following > children baptised there: > > Johannes b abt 1756 > Catharine b. abt 1760 > Georg b. September 3, 1757 > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Hi Diana, Thanks for your response with the 1880 and 1900 census data. It showed some of my ggrandmother's (Mary's) siblings, (Julia, Rebecca, Dorothy) and where her parents lived in 1900. Does anyone else have any info about Jacob and Catherine Stroup living in Philadelphia, (Germantown), around 1900 and their parents? Joe Pullen

Bernhard and Caritas Straub lived in the vicinity of St. Paul's Blue Church, Upper Saucon Twp, Lehigh County, PA around 1760. They had the following children baptised there: Johannes b abt 1756 Catharine b. abt 1760 Georg b. September 3, 1757