correction: Sarah Cornelia Manville was my ggrandmother. I have one too many g's below. Winston Stone wrote: > I've run into a wall with my Stone line. My grandfather, Roy Stone, an > only child, was born on May 3, 1893 in NYC as Herbert Manville. > Manville is my gggrandmother's maiden name, and I don't know where > Herbert came from, or when it was changed. On the birth certificate, > marriage status is listed as UW (unwed?), and although there is no > name for the father, it states the father is a 26 year old machinist > from Brooklyn. In both his SS application and military records, my gf > lists George Stone as his father. Family rumour has it that he was a > British Merchant Marine, but I could not confirm that. > I would love to find out if either of these lines in Brooklyn, or > perhaps the other possible George Stones in NJ or Conn. might be my > line. I'm fairly sure that George Stone was my gf's biological father. > There are also a few Herbert Stones I'd like to check. > If there's enough interest, I'd like to be the administrator for a > Stone DNA group. I perused the Family Tree DNA site and didn't see > anything about a $99 group rate. Is there enough interest to start > this? ws > > > Pam Eagleson wrote: > >> Ditto....I have a father, brother or nephew I could talk into this >> and would >> be most interested.... my line goes back to the 1700s Prince William >> CO VA. >> I have done research on DNA testing for another line but couldn't get >> enough >> people interested.... I'd be glad to work with someone to get this >> going if >> there is enough interest.... >> Pam Stone Eagleson >> peagleson@adelphia.net >> http://home.adelphia.net/`peagleson >> >> >> >> > > >

I've run into a wall with my Stone line. My grandfather, Roy Stone, an only child, was born on May 3, 1893 in NYC as Herbert Manville. Manville is my gggrandmother's maiden name, and I don't know where Herbert came from, or when it was changed. On the birth certificate, marriage status is listed as UW (unwed?), and although there is no name for the father, it states the father is a 26 year old machinist from Brooklyn. In both his SS application and military records, my gf lists George Stone as his father. Family rumour has it that he was a British Merchant Marine, but I could not confirm that. I would love to find out if either of these lines in Brooklyn, or perhaps the other possible George Stones in NJ or Conn. might be my line. I'm fairly sure that George Stone was my gf's biological father. There are also a few Herbert Stones I'd like to check. If there's enough interest, I'd like to be the administrator for a Stone DNA group. I perused the Family Tree DNA site and didn't see anything about a $99 group rate. Is there enough interest to start this? ws Pam Eagleson wrote: >Ditto....I have a father, brother or nephew I could talk into this and would >be most interested.... my line goes back to the 1700s Prince William CO VA. >I have done research on DNA testing for another line but couldn't get enough >people interested.... I'd be glad to work with someone to get this going if >there is enough interest.... >Pam Stone Eagleson >peagleson@adelphia.net >http://home.adelphia.net/`peagleson > > > >

Virginia- There are many Stone surname lines in the United States (and world wide) that we cannot connect to each other through the conventional paper trail of written birth, marriage and death records. It has been demonstrated that DNA tests of the male Y-chromosone can be used to trace the descendants of a particular man through many generations. Such testing is commercially available. The following are some of the many excellent websites providing background information (these links were current a year ago don't know if they are now) http://www.duerinck.com/genetic.html http://www.leicester.ac.uk/genetics/maj4/project.html http://www.savin.org/dna/introduction.html http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/ScienceSpectra-pages/SciSpect-14-98.html http://www.le.ac.uk/genetics/maj4/SurnamesForWeb.pdf http://wsrv.clas.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/jeffhemm.html http://www.oxfordancestors.com/yline.html The purpose of a Stone Surname DNA Project would be to perform Y Chromosome DNA testing on a sampling of men with the Stone surname to calculate the most recent common ancestor for those names with a significant marker match and to create a report describing the results. The Procedure-- All that would be required to participate in the project is to be a male, to have the Stone surname and provide a small sample of DNA for analysis. Several commercial testing sites are available including FamilyTreeDNA.com (www.familytreedna.com) Check out their website for FAQs and background information. Their genetic test kit consists of a cheek scraper and a collection tube. In about five minutes you will be able to read the instructions and perform a painless cheek scraping. The effect of using the scraper is about the same as brushing your cheek with a soft bristle toothbrush. The cost of the test would be between $149-$209. With a family surname project FamilyTreeDNA works through a Family Coordinator (named by us) who handles all paperwork and collection of money. Each participant would send to a designated Stone DNA Testing Project Coordinator a pedigree chart. The Project Coordinator would send by US Mail a DNA Speciman Kit. Included in the specimen kit is a Privacy and Confidentiality Statement, Legal Issues and Release Form. The Release Form must be signed and dated and returned with the specimen sample to the Project Coordinator, along with a check made out to Family Tree DNA. The testing lab will compare our samples with other samples in their database for comparison to other 'long-lost' relatives. Completing and dating the Release Form is required. Otherwise, no one but you can obtain your results and you won't know if there is another Stone who might match your DNA. Each specimen will be given code numbers and tested for the Y-chromosome only, and will never be used for any other purpose than our Stone Surname DNA Project. Results are returned to the Family Coordinator. FamilyTreeDNA provides help with analysis. For families trying to do family reconstruction, it is prudent to test 2 different known male cousins from each different branch. The chance that a match does not exist due to infidelity or unreported adoptions occurs 2%-5% of the time per generation. Different lines would need to be identified before starting.

Ditto....I have a father, brother or nephew I could talk into this and would be most interested.... my line goes back to the 1700s Prince William CO VA. I have done research on DNA testing for another line but couldn't get enough people interested.... I'd be glad to work with someone to get this going if there is enough interest.... Pam Stone Eagleson peagleson@adelphia.net http://home.adelphia.net/`peagleson

Pam - Thanks for all the good information on DNA. Unfortunately, it looks as if women are excluded. That lets me out as I am the last of my line - no other Stones left. However, I may find a lost relative if I keep searching, so I will keep the information. Virginia

St. George's Church in Great Bromley, Essex was the church where Gregory and Simon and many other Stones were baptized and married and buried. There are some wonderful pictures of it posted at www.colinfparsons.btinternet.co.uk/twinp/colhome/g-bromly/default.htm . The spectacular double hammerbeam roof-ceiling is in need of repair, and www.colinfparsons.btinternet.co.uk/twinp/colhome/g-bromly/restore.htm includes information on making tax-deductible contributions (for both US and UK residents) for this worthwhile project. Just in case you were wondering, hammerbeam construction connotes the horizontal projection of the roof beam from the wall, braced by a strut that rests on wall posts. A vertical post from the end of the beam projects upward, meeting the rafters; another curves over the open space and comes down on the hammer beam on the opposite side. A double hammerbeam system adds a second row of horizontal beams with their upper and lower braces. The purpose of t! his is to transfer the thrust to the walls, but the visual result alone would make it worthwhile, even if it were merely decorative. Take a look at the photos and it will all become clear.

I'd be interested. ws Jerry Cummings wrote: >I believe that this would be a good thing - many questions would be answered. > >gcooper@lexcominc.net wrote: > >>Is there a DNA study for the Stone surname? I can't start one as my >>surname is not Stone, but would it not be very revealing to find different >>lines of Stone men who match their DNA markers 12 for 12? >>Family Tree does the DNA testing, it is a saliva (cheek swab) cost for >>a group is only $99.00. There are other labs of course, but I have not >>seen a price this low. >>GSC >> > > > >

I believe that this would be a good thing - many questions would be answered. gcooper@lexcominc.net wrote: > Is there a DNA study for the Stone surname? I can't start one as my > surname is not Stone, but would it not be very revealing to find different > lines of Stone men who match their DNA markers 12 for 12? > Family Tree does the DNA testing, it is a saliva (cheek swab) cost for > a group is only $99.00. There are other labs of course, but I have not > seen a price this low. > GSC

Is there a DNA study for the Stone surname? I can't start one as my surname is not Stone, but would it not be very revealing to find different lines of Stone men who match their DNA markers 12 for 12? Family Tree does the DNA testing, it is a saliva (cheek swab) cost for a group is only $99.00. There are other labs of course, but I have not seen a price this low. GSC

Do you know for sure if she was born in the USA or was she perhaps born in England? We have a Mary Elizabeth PHILLIPS, born 1823, Yaxley, Huntingdonshire, England. Daughter of Thomas PHILLIPS, born Yaxley. Married Edward Bauld (BALLS) STONE, believed to have been born in Dartmouth, Devon, England, in 1824. Arrived in Halifax Co., Nova Scotia, Canada c1854/55. While they stay and raised their family in Nova Scotia, Mary very often travelled to the USA and back to England. We have always wondered why and did she have family/friends in the USA. We can find no trace of one of their two daughters, Rebecca. Lots of details of the 7 sons and Alice. Rebecca was believed to have died young, then we found her on the 1881 census age 18. No death records in Nova Scotia, nor marriage record have been found as yet, for Rebecca. Edward's father (Edward) was also found living with the family, in 1881, at age 82. A couple of their sons settled in Cumberland Co, and Oxford Co., Nova Scotia. Later some family scattered to Ontario, BC, USA etc ... so if you think you may be from this STONE family, we would like to hear from you. We have an on-line STONE Family Community (12 members) of cousins, close and distant, who are combining their reseach info, to compile a more detailed family tree. Warmest regards .... Trena. ******************************************************* FHH Brat Reunion (1950-1965) Visit our web site: www.kingsweb.net/fhhbrats ******************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline" <jacroing67@canby.com> To: <STONE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: [STONE] Sereno and LURA STONE > Good morning, > > Still looking for any information on LURA PHILLIPS STONE, > born October 27, 1817. I don't know place or parents. She died in NY, is bured in the Hillside Cemetery > Town of Clarendon, Orleans County, New York > . > > Any help in this search would be greatly appreciated. >

Lura PHILLIPS STONE )according to the census info I have) was born in Monroe county NY.....however I cannot find her. It is hard to trace these early women, the men are the ones who were accounted for. Trena I thank you for your response to my question. Jacqueline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trena H" <amheater@cogeco.ca> To: <STONE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [STONE] Sereno and LURA STONE > Do you know for sure if she was born in the USA or was she perhaps born in > England? > > We have a Mary Elizabeth PHILLIPS, born 1823, Yaxley, Huntingdonshire, > England. Daughter of Thomas PHILLIPS, born Yaxley. Married Edward Bauld > (BALLS) STONE, believed to have been born in Dartmouth, Devon, England, in > 1824. Arrived in Halifax Co., Nova Scotia, Canada c1854/55. While they > stay and raised their family in Nova Scotia, Mary very often travelled to > the USA and back to England. We have always wondered why and did she have > family/friends in the USA. We can find no trace of one of their two > daughters, Rebecca. Lots of details of the 7 sons and Alice. Rebecca was > believed to have died young, then we found her on the 1881 census age 18. > No death records in Nova Scotia, nor marriage record have been found as yet, > for Rebecca. Edward's father (Edward) was also found living with the > family, in 1881, at age 82. > > A couple of their sons settled in Cumberland Co, and Oxford Co., Nova > Scotia. Later some family scattered to Ontario, BC, USA etc ... so if you > think you may be from this STONE family, we would like to hear from you. We > have an on-line STONE Family Community (12 members) of cousins, close and > distant, who are combining their reseach info, to compile a more detailed > family tree. > > Warmest regards .... Trena. > > ******************************************************* > FHH Brat Reunion (1950-1965) > Visit our web site: www.kingsweb.net/fhhbrats > ******************************************************* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacqueline" <jacroing67@canby.com> > To: <STONE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:33 AM > Subject: [STONE] Sereno and LURA STONE > > > > Good morning, > > > > Still looking for any information on LURA PHILLIPS STONE, > > born October 27, 1817. I don't know place or parents. She died in NY, is > bured in the Hillside Cemetery > > Town of Clarendon, Orleans County, New York > > . > > > > Any help in this search would be greatly appreciated. > > > >

Good morning, Still looking for any information on LURA PHILLIPS STONE, born October 27, 1817. I don't know place or parents. She died in NY, is bured in the Hillside Cemetery Town of Clarendon, Orleans County, New York . Any help in this search would be greatly appreciated.

Forgot to mention that 1831 would fit since his son was born in 1861. I was told that Joseph's father, John Stone, came over here from Ireland "County Cork" in early 1800's but I have been unable to confirm this. Staci M. Wittenauer Bank of America Private Bank 100 North Broadway, M02-100-08-06 St. Louis, Missouri 63102 314.466.3356 Phone 314.466.2363 Fax staci.wittenauer@bankofamerica.com -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn J Stone [mailto:ostonesfun@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 11:57 AM To: STONE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [STONE] Re: Stone Family Tree Hi Staci, I am also researching a Joseph Henry Stone. Was yours born in the US? About what time period? Mine was born in England about 1831. He was in the US by 1850. Any connection? Carolyn

Not sure about mine really. His son, Jefferson Davis Stone, was born on 2/13/1861 in Clinton, Kentucky. He had other children, Alfred, Ada, Emma, Octavia, Clara, Albert, and Nancy. I have all the info on Jefferson and maybe Nancy. Jefferson's death certificates showed that his father's, Joseph Henry Stone's, birthplace was unknown. Joseph's wives were Louisa Jane Melton (mother to all the children named above - prior to Joseph possibly) and later Lydia Garret Allison. Hope this helps. Staci M. Wittenauer Bank of America Private Bank 100 North Broadway, M02-100-08-06 St. Louis, Missouri 63102 314.466.3356 Phone 314.466.2363 Fax staci.wittenauer@bankofamerica.com -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn J Stone [mailto:ostonesfun@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 11:57 AM To: STONE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [STONE] Re: Stone Family Tree Hi Staci, I am also researching a Joseph Henry Stone. Was yours born in the US? About what time period? Mine was born in England about 1831. He was in the US by 1850. Any connection? Carolyn

English And Welsh Are Races Apart BBC | 6-30-2002 Sunday, 30 June, 2002, 15:31 GMT 16:31 UK Gene scientists claim to have found proof that the Welsh are the "true" Britons. The research supports the idea that Celtic Britain underwent a form of ethnic cleansing by Anglo-Saxons invaders following the Roman withdrawal in the fifth century. Genetic tests show clear differences between the Welsh and English It suggests that between 50% and 100% of the indigenous population of what was to become England was wiped out, with Offa's Dyke acting as a "genetic barrier" protecting those on the Welsh side. And the upheaval can be traced to this day through genetic differences between the English and the Welsh. Academics at University College in London comparing a sample of men from the UK with those from an area of the Netherlands where the Anglo-Saxons are thought to have originated found the English subjects had genes that were almost identical. But there were clear differences between the genetic make-up of Welsh people studied. The research team studied the Y-chromosome, which is passed almost unchanged from father to son, and looked for certain genetic markers. Ethnic links: Many races share common bonds They chose seven market towns mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086 and studied 313 male volunteers whose paternal grandfather had also lived in the area. They then compared this with samples from Norway and with Friesland, now a northern province of the Netherlands. The English and Frisians studied had almost identical genetic make-up but the English and Welsh were very different. The researchers concluded the most likely explanation for this was a large-scale Anglo-Saxon invasion, which devastated the Celtic population of England, but did not reach Wales. Dr Mark Thomas, of the Centre for Genetic Anthropology at UCL, said their findings suggested that a migration occurred within the last 2,500 years. Genetic links It reinforced the idea that the Welsh were the true indigenous Britons. In April last year, research for a BBC programme on the Vikings revealed strong genetic links between the Welsh and Irish Celts and the Basques of northern Spain and south France. It suggested a possible link between the Celts and Basques, dating back tens of thousands of years. The UCL research into the more recent Anglo-Saxon period suggested a migration on a huge scale. "It appears England is made up of an ethnic cleansing event from people coming across from the continent after the Romans left," he said. Celtic Britons Archaeologists after the Second World War rejected the traditionally held view that an Anglo-Saxon invasion pushed the indigenous Celtic Britons to the fringes of Britain. Instead, they said the arrival of Anglo-Saxon culture could have come from trade or a small ruling elite. But the latest research by the UCL team, "using genetics as a history book", appears to support the original view of a large-scale invasion of England. It suggests that the Welsh border was more of a genetic barrier to the Anglo-Saxon Y chromosome gene flow than the North Sea. Dr Thomas added: "Our findings completely overturn the modern view of the origins of the English."

Hi Staci, I am also researching a Joseph Henry Stone. Was yours born in the US? About what time period? Mine was born in England about 1831. He was in the US by 1850. Any connection? Carolyn

I don't think so. I think his wife was Louisa Jane Melton and then a second wife named Lydia Garrett Allison. I have no dates for either of them. I seem to be stuck on the him. Thanks. Staci M. Wittenauer Bank of America Private Bank 100 North Broadway, M02-100-08-06 St. Louis, Missouri 63102 314.466.3356 Phone 314.466.2363 Fax staci.wittenauer@bankofamerica.com -----Original Message----- From: Vablo@aol.com [mailto:Vablo@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 8:20 PM To: STONE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STONE] Stone Family Tree Staci: Was Joseph's wife Isabelle? I have a Joseph age 70 and Isabelle age 73 on the Grant Co census for 1930, I saved it looking for my Stones in that Co. I have no more info that that on that particular family. Vaunda (Lock) Bray

Staci: Was Joseph's wife Isabelle? I have a Joseph age 70 and Isabelle age 73 on the Grant Co census for 1930, I saved it looking for my Stones in that Co. I have no more info that that on that particular family. Vaunda (Lock) Bray

In a message dated 7/1/02 1:07:47 PM, STONE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Yet, as I researched, there are serious questions as to whether there are any > Stone surnames as direct since it would only go down from the male line. > You could be a DIRECT descendant on the female side...STONE could have come back in at a later time....or thee could be one of those "other" male children you haven't found yet...either way...you could be "direct." Bergetta

I am research the Stone family from Kentucky. Jefferson Davis Stone was born in 1861 in Clinton, KY and died in 1939 in Hickman County, KY. I know his father was Joseph Henry Stone, but have been unable to find anything further. Staci M. Wittenauer Bank of America Private Bank 100 North Broadway, M02-100-08-06 St. Louis, Missouri 63102 314.466.3356 Phone 314.466.2363 Fax staci.wittenauer@bankofamerica.com