Ron I didnt know there was a difference.. will go to that now, Thanks Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: ron stone Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:23 AM To: STONE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STONE] found photos, any takers Elizabeth, Great idea! Sorry it isn't mine. Are you posting this on the STONE-UK list also? ron At 10:11 AM 8/3/02 -0500, you wrote:...snip... >My name is Elizabeth Evers and the other day while rummaging through the attic of an antique store > >Now to where this site comes in, one of the photos is of building in Peterborough England on the back is written "Mr. And Mrs. Stone from their affectionate son, Thomas Stone" >...snip... ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Elizabeth, I have a Thomas Stone back to England in my family and I'm intersted in your pictures. Barbara L. Watkins

My name is Elizabeth Evers and the other day while rummaging through the attic of an antique store here in Tuscaloosa Alabama I came across boxes of old photos, some even had inscriptions written on the back. Looking at these photos made me sad and I have felt compelled to start on a quest to return the photos to the families. I asked the owner to let me have them to do so....to no avail. So I have decided to buy them, at the price he was charging it will only be a few a month, and try and get them a loving home. Now to where this site comes in, one of the photos is of building in Peterborough England on the back is written "Mr. And Mrs. Stone from their affectionate son, Thomas Stone" I am hoping to return it to the descendents (photos looks to be late 1800s early 1900s, it was taken by William Bell, Acorn cottage, Broad Bridge Street, Peterborough England I am not asking for any money for photo or for postage., thats my gift to the original owners of the photos..I just want to get a home for them Thank you all for your time, Elizabeth Evers (eevers@msn.com)

Yes, it only started a few months ago. I was on it for a while. I think lost family pictures are worth your efforts. Again, nice going.' ron At 10:25 AM 8/3/02 -0500, you wrote: >Ron I didnt know there was a difference.. will go to that now, Thanks Elizabeth > >----- Original Message ----- >From: ron stone >Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:23 AM >To: STONE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [STONE] found photos, any takers > >Elizabeth, >Great idea! Sorry it isn't mine. Are you posting this on the STONE-UK list also? >ron > > >At 10:11 AM 8/3/02 -0500, you wrote:...snip... >>My name is Elizabeth Evers and the other day while rummaging through the >attic of an antique store >> >>Now to where this site comes in, one of the photos is of building in >Peterborough England on the back is written "Mr. And Mrs. Stone from their >affectionate son, Thomas Stone" >>...snip... > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Elizabeth, Great idea! Sorry it isn't mine. Are you posting this on the STONE-UK list also? ron At 10:11 AM 8/3/02 -0500, you wrote:...snip... >My name is Elizabeth Evers and the other day while rummaging through the attic of an antique store > >Now to where this site comes in, one of the photos is of building in Peterborough England on the back is written "Mr. And Mrs. Stone from their affectionate son, Thomas Stone" >...snip...

What ever happened to the separate List for English Stones?

Peggy - If you find another Stone Association, please let me know too! Virginia

Hi Peggy, There is also a UK Stone mailing list. I am not 100% positive, but I think it is STONE-UK-L@rootsweb.com If this is wrong, I am sure someone will post the correct addy. When first subscribing don't forget to put "request" instead of the *L*. Plus, you may want to subscribe to the Lancashire list, which is very active, with many helpful folk. It is LANSGEN-L@rootsweb.com I am pretty sure there are some people on that list who are also researching STONE / STONES. Good luck. Warmest regards, Trena. ******************************************************** FHH Brat Reunion (1950-1965) Visit our web site: www.kingsweb.net/fhhbrats ********************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Trimble" <pegtrim@wiktel.com> To: <STONE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: [STONE] Interests > My interest in the STONE/STONES family > Blackburn, England, > Leyland, England , > Croston, Lancashire, England. >> > Grateful for any leads.

Thanks, Virginia, for a very interesting website! I have heard of a Stone/Stones Family History Assoc. who visit Carr House in Lancashire on a regular basis because of family connections. Doesn't seem as if this is the same one. This one might connect to my line. Any help, anyone? Peggy

Peggy - You might try the Hugh Stone Family on line at: www.stonefamilyassociation.org. If there is any other Stone association, I'd sure like to know also. Virginia

My interest in the STONE/STONES family begins with Margaret STONE(S) who married Thomas LIVESAY May 21, 1749, Blackburn, England. Jane STONES m. Thomas' brother John LIVESAY Dec 7 1749, Leyland, England Margaret STONES parents: Andrew STONES b. abt 1704, Leyland and Ann HESKINS/HESKETH b 22 Sep 1728, Croston, Lancashire, England. Is there a Stone/Stones Family History Society? Grateful for any leads. Peggy (Livesay) Trimble

If his children are not the ones looking for him, try looking for the son(s) by going to the white pages and checking various areas and states that you think they might be living. Hope this helps. LaFon (Stone) Commander

Sorry. Willard Stone does not belong to my Jefferson Stone family. Good luck with your search. Staci M. Wittenauer Bank of America Private Bank 100 North Broadway, M02-100-08-06 St. Louis, Missouri 63102 314.466.3356 Phone 314.466.2363 Fax staci.wittenauer@bankofamerica.com -----Original Message----- From: shubba1959@aol.com [mailto:shubba1959@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:33 AM To: STONE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [STONE] WIllard Stone I'm looking for information about Willard Isom Stone. His family in Louisiana would very much appreciate any information. He was married to Stella Mae Smelser & they lived in Arkansas at one time. They later lived in Winnfield, Louisiana. They had the following children; Charles Ray (deceased), Lee Edward, Audrey Ilene, Lovis & Wanda. Thank you, Shirley

I'm looking for information about Willard Isom Stone. His family in Louisiana would very much appreciate any information. He was married to Stella Mae Smelser & they lived in Arkansas at one time. They later lived in Winnfield, Louisiana. They had the following children; Charles Ray (deceased), Lee Edward, Audrey Ilene, Lovis & Wanda. Thank you, Shirley

This DNA website was posted on the BROWN-L. It looks interesting. http://www.familytreedna.com <http://www.familytreedna.com/> Also listed was: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com for a mail list And: Brown-DNA-Project@questgenealogy.com (There may be a project for Stone.) Earlene Alexander

If you can find it, the New Yorker, March 26, 2001, had an excellent piece by John Seabrook on his use of DNA in his search for his family. Very enlightening article. He titled the piece "The Tree of Me" and started it with "DNA testing is revolutionizing the field of genealogy. Are we ready for what we might find?" Yep, I would be glad to participate just for the adventure! Bob Ervin

----- Original Message ----- From: "William McMahon" <wamcm@satx.net> To: <STONE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [STONE] Re: STONE-D Digest V02 #43 > > If one tests the "Y" chromosome male Stone "A", with a proven descent, his "Y" > chromosome will be identical, Proven descent ... well .. that's sort of where it could all fall apart. There are far too many out there, who have no proof beyond themselves or their parent. Message boards are full of people looking for leads on who they think are/might be their grandparents. I am sure each of you have, as I have, received countless e-mails from people asking if we are related due, to having the same last name. I even had one person tell me I was looking in the wrong countries (Can., Scotland & England) for my STONE, MATHEWSON/MATHESON, WHYATT/WYATT (connected through marriage) families, as they all originated in Missouri, then proceeded to send me *my* complete family tree! Or the one who had their genealogy posted on the internet (with Rootsweb.Com), who had my great-grandparents and 2x great-grandparents (complete with maiden surnames, bmd dates etc) listed as her own. Her STONEs and mine weren't even remotely connected. So I suppose using DNA in this way will at least *lump* the related cousins together, if nothing else. Can't go and dig up great-grandad, to make sure he really was grandad's father!! Trena.

You can e-mail Family Tree DNA, they will give you the $99.00 group price. Contact Bennett Greenspan. They did this for my Cooper DNA study. I started with just my own sample, it will grow as other Stone men will want to participate if you contact enough of them. Gary Winston Stone wrote: > > I've run into a wall with my Stone line. My grandfather, Roy Stone, an > only child, was born on May 3, 1893 in NYC as Herbert Manville. Manville > is my gggrandmother's maiden name, and I don't know where Herbert came > from, or when it was changed. On the birth certificate, marriage status > is listed as UW (unwed?), and although there is no name for the father, > it states the father is a 26 year old machinist from Brooklyn. In both > his SS application and military records, my gf lists George Stone as his > father. Family rumour has it that he was a British Merchant Marine, but > I could not confirm that. > I would love to find out if either of these lines in Brooklyn, or > perhaps the other possible George Stones in NJ or Conn. might be my > line. I'm fairly sure that George Stone was my gf's biological father. > There are also a few Herbert Stones I'd like to check. > If there's enough interest, I'd like to be the administrator for a Stone > DNA group. I perused the Family Tree DNA site and didn't see anything > about a $99 group rate. Is there enough interest to start this? ws > > Pam Eagleson wrote: > > >Ditto....I have a father, brother or nephew I could talk into this and would > >be most interested.... my line goes back to the 1700s Prince William CO VA. > >I have done research on DNA testing for another line but couldn't get enough > >people interested.... I'd be glad to work with someone to get this going if > >there is enough interest.... > >Pam Stone Eagleson > >peagleson@adelphia.net > >http://home.adelphia.net/`peagleson > > > > > > > >

At 01:45 PM 07/21/2002 -0400, Trena wrote: >Perhaps I am missing something here. I have more than a passing interest in >DNA, though not normally from the genealogy angle. So what I do not >understand is how those seeking DNA testing to prove they descend from a >particular ancestor, who has been dead for 200 or more years, without >knowing his DNA, expect to actually prove it? A group of people who are >tested can prove whether or not they are from the same family/ancestor, but >if they are not following the same lines in their reseach, what happens? I >would think there would be a limit to how far back DNA research can take >you. You can only take samples from living people. Unless the plan is to >dig up our ancestors (I doubt the authorities would grant this, *just* for >general genealogy research), how else can DNA testing prove you descend from >Joe Bloggs born c1700 or whatever? If one tests the "Y" chromosome male Stone "A", with a proven descent, his "Y" chromosome will be identical, with minor mutations, to that of all his proven male Stone ancestors. Any other male (call him Stone "B") who carries that same "Y" chromosome has a common ancestor with Stone "A". From there one can draw parallels. Bill McMahon

Perhaps I am missing something here. I have more than a passing interest in DNA, though not normally from the genealogy angle. So what I do not understand is how those seeking DNA testing to prove they descend from a particular ancestor, who has been dead for 200 or more years, without knowing his DNA, expect to actually prove it? A group of people who are tested can prove whether or not they are from the same family/ancestor, but if they are not following the same lines in their reseach, what happens? I would think there would be a limit to how far back DNA research can take you. You can only take samples from living people. Unless the plan is to dig up our ancestors (I doubt the authorities would grant this, *just* for general genealogy research), how else can DNA testing prove you descend from Joe Bloggs born c1700 or whatever? We are somewhat lucky within our reseach, as we know back 6 generations from myself, with our STONES, documentation from the 5th ... but in each generation the first son has the exact same name as his father before him - Edward, which carries down as well. From the 3rd generation before me to the 3rd generation below me, each second son is named John ... each third son is named Robert ... George .... Thomas ... William .. Ours' follows this pattern to the present day. Females follow a similar pattern. Ok .. so we know from the 5th before me .. to the 3rd after me .... but we do not know who the siblings of our 5th & 6th great-grandparents are, or what their birth order nor names are. Or even exactly where the men were born ... we have unproven place for one ... but is it correct? We do not know yet. So how will DNA testing help in our case? By the way, our STONE line came to Canada, from Hunts UK, c1855. We now know for sure the 5th gggf & 6th gggf (82 yrs old in 1881, Canada census) were not born in Hunts. To confuse matters further, the 5th gggf was not married under the name STONE, nor were his first two sons registered at birth, as STONE, although, on his marriage certificate, his father is a STONE. As far as I can see, we would have to get every present day STONE, in the UK (for starters!) to be tested, not to mention our own men here, to try to locate exactly where our line originated. What happens if one group in the USA do not match up with any others? How are they going to know where they belong? They would have to convince STONEs around the world, the UK in particular to be tested too. Again .. they can only go back to the living ... how are they going to actually prove that this John/Edward/George/Thomas/William etc Stone, or that John/etc etc Stone is in fact their John/etc etc Stone. There were far too many with those names who were unrelated living in many different areas, not only in the UK, but also in Canada, the USA, Australia and so forth. We know (positively) there were two families of Stones living in a small village, in NS, both of which had many of the same Christian names ... totally unrelated. Birth order and daughters' names are what helped separate the two families there. DNA would help present day members, who do not know much about their lineage, to form groups ... but not any further back, if (in our case) we did not know and have documentation, plus family bibles to support our claims of descent. Then ... somewhere in the USA are STONEs who descend from our line, who do not know that their ?x great-grandfather, was not a STONE on his marriage certificate .... was he illegitimate, then his mother married a STONE? or was illegitimate, then his parents married each other, but his name was not legally STONE, under British law? His *father* did come to Canada with him (+ his wife & 3 children) .... all under the name of STONE. So much for DNA & the STONE name in this case, if he was truly not a STONE, genetically. Unfortunately, the other name is just as common ... BALLS. Warmest regards ... from an enquiring mind. Trena ... Ontario, Canada. ******************************************************** FHH Brat Reunion (1950-1965) Visit our web site: www.kingsweb.net/fhhbrats ********************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Eagleson" <peagleson@adelphia.net> To: <STONE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: [STONE] Re: STONE-D Digest V02 #43 > > Virginia- > There are many Stone surname lines in the United States (and world wide) > that we cannot connect to each other through the conventional paper trail of > written birth, marriage and death records. It has been demonstrated that > DNA tests of the male Y-chromosone can be used to trace the descendants of a > particular man through many generations.