Hi Dave One more time.... I am looking at the land patents for Thomas G. (Gatrell) Stephen(s). They are in Range 11, Twp 13, Section 13,23, and 25. Refering to a Twp/Section map you sent me some time ago, It looks like these co-ordinates are the same as you have on you map. This tells me he was on the same land as you have diagramed. Looking at the references you say are Dick Olds, they are the same in one instance. Does this not help to tie down the relationship? Burr