Willie and I are both looking for an elusive Andrew, unfortunately not the same one. I've never seen one of these books what does that 1 taxable next to this Andrew's name mean? Thanks Rick Steele Crowcope@aol.com wrote: > Hi Will, here it is- > 1768 Rowan CO NC tax list of John Brandon- I will list a few names found by > him in the order they appear- page 65 > Lorance Snap SR -son Lorance- negro Rosana- taxable- 3 > Joseph Hays- 1 > Willaim Paton- constable- sons William & Robert- 2 > ANDREW STEEL- 1 taxable > Frederick Long- 1 > John Nisbit, Robert Hatley, Negroes Jacob & Jude- 3 > John Haggan- negroes- Dick & Jude- 3 > James Bradley, Thomas Wisdom- 2 > John MConnel- 1 > > I can tell you this and that is there are 3 pages ( 65-67 ) for this tax > listing showing men in this tax dist. > David > > ==== STEELE Mailing List ==== > GenConnect ~ Pensions, have one? Post it at ~ > http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/s/t/STEELE/pensions > List Manager's address STEELE-admin@rootsweb.com

United States Patent Office claims as reported in Scientific American for date shown: March 9, 1867 62,231.-SAND BOX AND CARRIAGE AXLES.-John S. Steele, Rockingham, Vt. I claim the sand collar, C, and chamber, H, In combination with the extended pipe box, F, for the purpose set forth. Jan 26, 1867 61.129.-FRUIT STEP-LADDER-James F. Winchell (assignor to himself and George C. Steele), Springfield, Ohio. First, I claim the combination of the ladders, A and B., when constructed and arranged to operate substantially as shown and described. Second, The circular brace, C, when arranged as shown for locking the part, B, in position. Third, I claim pivoting the ladder, B, by means of the hinge, D, made to embrace the bars, A, as shown and described. 61,130.-FRUIT-DRYING HOUSE.-James F. Winchell, assignor to himself and George C. Steele, Springfield, Ohio. I claim a dry-house constructed substantialty as described, and having the pipe, H, with its valve, m, and the return flue, E, combined and arranged for joint operation, as herein described. I claim the removable bottoms, p, constructed of wire gauze or its ebuivalent, arranged to be used in connection with the drawers, B, substantially as herein set forth. I claim providing the drawers, B, with the guide pieces, t, as shown and described. May 19, 1868 77,121.-COMBINED RULE AND POCKET KNIPE.-O. B. Steele, Franklin, Pa. I claim combining a jointed rule with the handle of a pocket knife, substanlially as and for the purpose shown and described. Jan 25, 1868 73,207.-UTERINE ELECTRODE AND ABDOMINAL SUPPORTER. - Albert J. Steele, New York City. I claim, 1st, Wire electrodes, insulated and covered with sponge, substantially as shown and for the purpose specified. 2d. The straps, B, for sustaining the electrode in place, substantially as shown, and for the purpose specified. 3d, The form of the electrode having a ring, 5' and stems, ff', attached thereto, substantially as shown and for the purpose specified. 4th, The form of electrode having the ring, g, and cross pieces, hh, substantially as shown and for the purpose specified. 5th, The form of electrode having a singlestem, f", and cross piece, h, substantially as and f or the purpose shown and described. 6th, Elastic straps, c c, in combination with the strap, B, substantially as and for the purpose shown and described. 7th, The abdominal belt, A, in combination with the above described electrodes, substantially as and for the purposes shown and described. 8th, Tue non-conducting plate, ID, in combination with the wire electrodes, as hereinafter described, substantially as shown and for the purpose specified. Sept 9, 1868 81,551.-CAR COUPLER.-Harvey B. Steele, Winsted, Conn. I claim the construction of the bumper, A, with ita spiral spring, G, beadblock, F, with its dog, D, and the dog, E, with its spring, H, all arranged, combined, and operating, the square end link, B, as herein described and for the purpose set forth. MARCH 28, 1868 75,481.-HORSE HAY FORK.-Harvey B. Steele, West Winsted Conn. I claim the shield or scabhard, A, constructed as described, in combinatIon with the lever, B E, connecting rod, F, and prong, G, arranged and operating substantially as and for the purposes set forth. July 24, 1869 92,390.-CONCRETE PAVEMENT. - Harvey B. Steele, Winchester, Conn. [Listed as patent without printed claim.] July 17, 1858 [NO # GIVEN] - LATHES FOR TURNING IN METALS-George Henderson and Jacob Steele, of Alhegheny, Pa,: We claim the combination of the two chucks, H H, with a lathe, the whole being constructed and operated in the manner specified. This invention is designed to operate in metal.

Hi Will, here it is- 1768 Rowan CO NC tax list of John Brandon- I will list a few names found by him in the order they appear- page 65 Lorance Snap SR -son Lorance- negro Rosana- taxable- 3 Joseph Hays- 1 Willaim Paton- constable- sons William & Robert- 2 ANDREW STEEL- 1 taxable Frederick Long- 1 John Nisbit, Robert Hatley, Negroes Jacob & Jude- 3 John Haggan- negroes- Dick & Jude- 3 James Bradley, Thomas Wisdom- 2 John MConnel- 1 I can tell you this and that is there are 3 pages ( 65-67 ) for this tax listing showing men in this tax dist. David

Cool! I'd love to see that info on Andrew Steel. What year is he mentioned? We have an Andrew Steel/Steele here in Tennessee that we don't have parents for. His son, John was born about 1785 in Virginia. I do know that old Rowan County included what is now Ashe and Wilkes Counties, so it's possible he could have lived in Rowan County and also spent time in Virginia too. He was born about 1750 or so. Thanks for the clue. I'll have to get this publication. Will Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "by way of Sue <sudown@cwnet.com>" <Crowcope@aol.com> To: <STEELE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: May 25, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: [STEELE-L] Steel Family of Rowan CO NC > This came on Monday, David Cope has been added to the STEELE-L to facillitate all trying to make a connection... good luck all! > ============================================= > Hi Steel Family, I am not related but I did receive a copy of your e-mail ( > from a Cope cousin ) about the Gilbert Cope research on the Steel family. I > am trying to prove my Cope family connection to the family of Gilbert Cope > and in the mean time I have this to add just incase you are not aware of > these records. > Rowan CO NC tax Lists 1757-1800 by Jo White Linn published 1995 - cost was > $45.00 + S&H 2 years ago . Order from her direct Jo White Linn PO Box 1948, > Salibury, NC 28145-1948 > Steel surname in book taken from index- page numbers > 1) Andrew - 65 > 2) Elizabeth- 200, 201, 295 > 3) Francis- 82 > 4) James- 244 > 5) Jane- 244 > 6) John- 87, 288, 295, 314 > 7) Joseph- 114, 153 > 8) Michael- 91 > 9) NINIAN- 112, 113, 128, 329 > 10) Robert- 44, 113, 127, 244, 316 > 11) Samuel- 153, 243 > 12) Widow- 124 > 13) William- 66, 122 > > I can give one example for you- > Pages 112-113- A List of The Taxables for the District of Fort Dobbs for the > Year 1772-Taken by Walter Lindsey- Jo White Linn states this area in Rowan > became Iredell CO later. > Ninian Steel- 1 taxable pg 112- neighbors Simmonton and Allison- I believe > these last 2 surnames are Quakers or former Quakers from Chester CO PA. > Robert Steel & Luke Hamilton- taxed together - 2 taxables- pg 113- same tax > list > Robert Chambers listed next and- > NINIAN Steel & N - 2 taxables- one is a negro > Aurthur Chambers next to this Ninian Steel > > Joseph Steel- 1 taxable- next to him are John Eads and Philip Price. pg 114 - > same tax list as the other Steels. > > David Cope - just trying to help my fellow Genealogist > PS- found my Cope family in the above listed book 1768-1772 > > > ==== STEELE Mailing List ==== > GenConnect ~ Queries, have one? Post it at ~ > http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/s/t/STEELE/queries > List Manager's address STEELE-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

I am trying to trace my half brother (whom I have never met), Brian John Steel, born 14/05/1925 at "Hughenden", Oak Street, Romford, Essex, England. Alternatively, I would like to make contact with any of his descendants. John Steel "Life? A butterfly on a swaying grass. But exquisite."

This came on Monday, David Cope has been added to the STEELE-L to facillitate all trying to make a connection... good luck all! ============================================= Hi Steel Family, I am not related but I did receive a copy of your e-mail ( from a Cope cousin ) about the Gilbert Cope research on the Steel family. I am trying to prove my Cope family connection to the family of Gilbert Cope and in the mean time I have this to add just incase you are not aware of these records. Rowan CO NC tax Lists 1757-1800 by Jo White Linn published 1995 - cost was $45.00 + S&H 2 years ago . Order from her direct Jo White Linn PO Box 1948, Salibury, NC 28145-1948 Steel surname in book taken from index- page numbers 1) Andrew - 65 2) Elizabeth- 200, 201, 295 3) Francis- 82 4) James- 244 5) Jane- 244 6) John- 87, 288, 295, 314 7) Joseph- 114, 153 8) Michael- 91 9) NINIAN- 112, 113, 128, 329 10) Robert- 44, 113, 127, 244, 316 11) Samuel- 153, 243 12) Widow- 124 13) William- 66, 122 I can give one example for you- Pages 112-113- A List of The Taxables for the District of Fort Dobbs for the Year 1772-Taken by Walter Lindsey- Jo White Linn states this area in Rowan became Iredell CO later. Ninian Steel- 1 taxable pg 112- neighbors Simmonton and Allison- I believe these last 2 surnames are Quakers or former Quakers from Chester CO PA. Robert Steel & Luke Hamilton- taxed together - 2 taxables- pg 113- same tax list Robert Chambers listed next and- NINIAN Steel & N - 2 taxables- one is a negro Aurthur Chambers next to this Ninian Steel Joseph Steel- 1 taxable- next to him are John Eads and Philip Price. pg 114 - same tax list as the other Steels. David Cope - just trying to help my fellow Genealogist PS- found my Cope family in the above listed book 1768-1772

I have information on a Ada Steele who was married to a Robert Swartz,E Lewis P Swartsz or Lewis that was married to a Mary F Steele. The Swartz name in intwinded with names that are off the Steele name from Bedford Co. I have a Martha Steele with no spouse. Please send me direct what you have. Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimhungate" <jimhungate@mindspring.com> To: <STEELE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: [STEELE-L] Martha Steele > Hi Listmates. > > I am searching for parents, siblings and general information on GEORGE HENRY > (HARRY) SWARTZ. He was born in 1829 in PA. Family history says he was born > in Westmoreland County, PA. HARRY died in 1904 in Belknap, Wayne Twp > Armstrong Co. PA, and is buried in CONCORD Church Cemetery. This has been > confirmed with his death record. He was married to MARTHA STEELE, who, as a > young girl, reportedly lived on a large farm, owned by her father, known as > the STEELE Farm. She is also buried at Concord Church Cemetery, according to > information I have. HARRY is my great grandfather. > > I have much descendent information that I will be happy to share. Any help > would be greatly appreciated. > > Sharon Hungate > Jimhungate@mindspring.com

Hi Listmates. I am searching for parents, siblings and general information on GEORGE HENRY (HARRY) SWARTZ. He was born in 1829 in PA. Family history says he was born in Westmoreland County, PA. HARRY died in 1904 in Belknap, Wayne Twp Armstrong Co. PA, and is buried in CONCORD Church Cemetery. This has been confirmed with his death record. He was married to MARTHA STEELE, who, as a young girl, reportedly lived on a large farm, owned by her father, known as the STEELE Farm. She is also buried at Concord Church Cemetery, according to information I have. HARRY is my great grandfather. I have much descendent information that I will be happy to share. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sharon Hungate Jimhungate@mindspring.com

I know everybody has been talkinging about a John Steele. Well my John Steele is from Berekeley county, Charleston, South Carolina if I am correct. Birth is in 1772, in Berekeley,Charleston, South Carolina. I was married to 1st wife ? Catherine Roche. He was from my understands is it was her 2nd husband. Not use if any kids. John's 2nd wife Lydia Guerri, married in 1746. they had 3 children, Peter Henry,born in 1750. Anne, born in1780. The children where born in Bereley county. There was a big fire in Charlston so I have not been able to find his father and mother. I was hope that maybe somebody had any information of any Steele traveling to South Carolina. They years I am figuring is between the 1700 -1722. Even if they may have made trips in this area. they could have been a Plantationer or some kind of business men. I t could have been even just somedoby the took on the allies name. Any kind of information would be greatly appreciated!! Janice You may ontact me personaly at Tcountrygirl01@aol.com

this from Carolina Cradle, p. 169, by Ramsey "The other settlers from Chester County (PA)were William Boggan, Francis Johnston, John Bunting.... and ROBERT STEELE (of New London Twp). Period: 1752-1762. Can anyone identify this Robert and his children? Thanks, Kathryn

It is a book which I ordered from Higginsonbooks, but havent gotten it yet. If there are six pages on this family I am delighted I ordered it. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Kennedy" <charanne@3-cities.com> To: <STEELE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [STEELE-L] Rev. John Steele, and other John Steele's in Cumberland Co PA > What are the Biographical Annals??. Are they > on the Web?? Are they in a Book?? > > Who wrote them?? > > > > At 09:08 AM 5/22/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >I have in front of me, excerpts from "Biographical > >Annals of Cumberland County, PA" written by the > >Genealogical Society in 1903. page. 43 Steele Family > > > >According to this there were two John Steele's in > >Carlisle, Cumberland Co. > > > >1. Rev. John Steele (my relative), who came from > >County Antrim, Londonderry, Ireland, in about 1743. > >He was an ordained Presbyterian minister. He also was > >a reknown Indian fighter during the French and Indian > >Wars, leading a charge against the Indians. He had > >been near the MD line but came to Carlisle in about > >1759 to head up the Presbyterian Church there. > >(NOTE-there is paperwork about him at the Old > >Presbyterian Church). He served there until 1779 at > >his death. > >In the Steele National Repository, there is an > >Historical Sketch of the Lower West Nottingham > >Presbyterian Church, talking about Rev. John Steele. > >He did come into New London, after being ordained in > >Londonderry Presbytery before 1744. He was a > >prominent member of the Synod, a member of the > >Commission and was Moderator in 1750. > >He was married to Margaret Hutchinson, in Ireland. He > >had 7 children. His son, Capt. John Steele, married > >Agnes Moore. They all 4 are buried in the Old > >Carlisle Cemetary. > > > >I also have a copy of Rev. John Steele's will; in it, > >the executors include Ephraim Steele, Samuel Laird, > >John Agnew, John Steele. The will was proved on the > >12th day of February, 1780. > > > >The other John Steele was a lawyer, married Agnes... > >who married a John Jordan after the death of her > >husband JOhn Steele. Their children were William, > >John, and Jean. Jean married a Gersham Craft. John > >was born 22Aug1764 and never married. He was in the > >military and was a Capt. He died on Nov. 6, 1800. His > >brothers Joseph and William, his brother William's son > >John and his cousin, Capt. William Steele were named > >in the will. Executors of the will were his mother > >Agnes Jordon, Ephraim Steele, merchant, and Gersham > >Craft of Trenton, NJ. > > > >The Biographical Annals has a great deal on this line > >of Steele's, Ninian among them. There is about 6 > >pages worth of info on them > > > >Donna > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >==== STEELE Mailing List ==== > >GenConnect ~ Pensions, have one? Post it at ~ > >http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/s/t/STEELE/pensions > >List Manager's address STEELE-admin@rootsweb.com > > > >============================== > >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > Charlotte Anne (Bradshaw/Baker) Kennedy > charanne@3-cities.com > NEW EMAIL char.anne@verizon.net > > > > > http://www.3-cities.com/~charanne/index.htm > > Richland Library Holdings > > http://dsl1-160.dynacom.net/holdings/index.html > > > ==== STEELE Mailing List ==== > Search, Subscribe & Unsubscribe STEELE-L > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/s/steele.html > List Manager's address STEELE-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

What are the Biographical Annals??. Are they on the Web?? Are they in a Book?? Who wrote them?? At 09:08 AM 5/22/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I have in front of me, excerpts from "Biographical >Annals of Cumberland County, PA" written by the >Genealogical Society in 1903. page. 43 Steele Family > >According to this there were two John Steele's in >Carlisle, Cumberland Co. > >1. Rev. John Steele (my relative), who came from >County Antrim, Londonderry, Ireland, in about 1743. >He was an ordained Presbyterian minister. He also was >a reknown Indian fighter during the French and Indian >Wars, leading a charge against the Indians. He had >been near the MD line but came to Carlisle in about >1759 to head up the Presbyterian Church there. >(NOTE-there is paperwork about him at the Old >Presbyterian Church). He served there until 1779 at >his death. >In the Steele National Repository, there is an >Historical Sketch of the Lower West Nottingham >Presbyterian Church, talking about Rev. John Steele. >He did come into New London, after being ordained in >Londonderry Presbytery before 1744. He was a >prominent member of the Synod, a member of the >Commission and was Moderator in 1750. >He was married to Margaret Hutchinson, in Ireland. He >had 7 children. His son, Capt. John Steele, married >Agnes Moore. They all 4 are buried in the Old >Carlisle Cemetary. > >I also have a copy of Rev. John Steele's will; in it, >the executors include Ephraim Steele, Samuel Laird, >John Agnew, John Steele. The will was proved on the >12th day of February, 1780. > >The other John Steele was a lawyer, married Agnes... >who married a John Jordan after the death of her >husband JOhn Steele. Their children were William, >John, and Jean. Jean married a Gersham Craft. John >was born 22Aug1764 and never married. He was in the >military and was a Capt. He died on Nov. 6, 1800. His >brothers Joseph and William, his brother William's son >John and his cousin, Capt. William Steele were named >in the will. Executors of the will were his mother >Agnes Jordon, Ephraim Steele, merchant, and Gersham >Craft of Trenton, NJ. > >The Biographical Annals has a great deal on this line >of Steele's, Ninian among them. There is about 6 >pages worth of info on them > >Donna > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > >==== STEELE Mailing List ==== >GenConnect ~ Pensions, have one? Post it at ~ >http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/s/t/STEELE/pensions >List Manager's address STEELE-admin@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > Charlotte Anne (Bradshaw/Baker) Kennedy charanne@3-cities.com NEW EMAIL char.anne@verizon.net http://www.3-cities.com/~charanne/index.htm Richland Library Holdings http://dsl1-160.dynacom.net/holdings/index.html

I agree while WILL help they are not proof that a person was never a member of the family. Perhaps William died before the person making the WILL. In the case of death the child is not mention, but sometimes there children are but then not always. If the residency of a child is unknown then again the child could be left out of the will. It is very expensive to locate a person to receive the gift, when it is not known if they are dead or alive. I agree try to find another source to prove or disprove the relationship. At 06:06 PM 5/21/2001 -0500, you wrote: >One problem on relying on wills for complete lists of children are >people have problems within the family and are disinherited or >completely written off and never mentioned again. Do you have another >type of documentation supporting that William was not one of Samuel's >children? Or does someone else have other documentation supporting that >he is Samuel's child? That one falls in a grey area >Michela Steele >-- > > >==== STEELE Mailing List ==== >GenConnect ~ Bible records, have one? Post it at ~ >http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/s/t/STEELE/bible_records >List Manager's address STEELE-admin@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > Collecting & Connecting the Descendants of William & Rebecca Redfen\Redfield and the Ancestors of the Redfield Spouses in the project of the REDFIELD FAMILIES ALL ACROSS AMERICA The Updating of the Redfield Genealogy Book Published in 1860, by John Howard Redfield (¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯) SURNAMES: Mothers Father - Redfield Ball, Bishop, Buell, Curtiss, Dewey, Fairchild, Graves, Griswold, Harty, Hubbard, Joy, Lewis, Loomer, Lyman, Meigs, Morgan, Mower, Newberry, Parke, Redfield, Russell, Spencer, Thompson, Ward, Whiting Mothers Mother - Walker Crocker?, Dalling, Gammell, Hamlin, Mitchell, Simmens, Temple? Walker, Worthington *:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:* Fathers Father - Bradshaw Blackmore, Bradshaw Byrd, Davidson, Dryer, Gouldman?, Hicks, Kemp, Rogers, Skipwith, Solomon, Willis Fathers Mother - Warren Denman, Hackley Hale\Hales, Hamilton, Holloway, Murphy, Rhodes, Rogers, Segarent, Turner, *:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:*:~:* Sources are the heart and soul for all the names in your Family Tree. Charlotte Anne (Bradshaw) Kennedy E-Mail: charanne@3-cities.com NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: char.anne@verizon.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Shores/7019/index.html

I have in front of me, excerpts from "Biographical Annals of Cumberland County, PA" written by the Genealogical Society in 1903. page. 43 Steele Family According to this there were two John Steele's in Carlisle, Cumberland Co. 1. Rev. John Steele (my relative), who came from County Antrim, Londonderry, Ireland, in about 1743. He was an ordained Presbyterian minister. He also was a reknown Indian fighter during the French and Indian Wars, leading a charge against the Indians. He had been near the MD line but came to Carlisle in about 1759 to head up the Presbyterian Church there. (NOTE-there is paperwork about him at the Old Presbyterian Church). He served there until 1779 at his death. In the Steele National Repository, there is an Historical Sketch of the Lower West Nottingham Presbyterian Church, talking about Rev. John Steele. He did come into New London, after being ordained in Londonderry Presbytery before 1744. He was a prominent member of the Synod, a member of the Commission and was Moderator in 1750. He was married to Margaret Hutchinson, in Ireland. He had 7 children. His son, Capt. John Steele, married Agnes Moore. They all 4 are buried in the Old Carlisle Cemetary. I also have a copy of Rev. John Steele's will; in it, the executors include Ephraim Steele, Samuel Laird, John Agnew, John Steele. The will was proved on the 12th day of February, 1780. The other John Steele was a lawyer, married Agnes... who married a John Jordan after the death of her husband JOhn Steele. Their children were William, John, and Jean. Jean married a Gersham Craft. John was born 22Aug1764 and never married. He was in the military and was a Capt. He died on Nov. 6, 1800. His brothers Joseph and William, his brother William's son John and his cousin, Capt. William Steele were named in the will. Executors of the will were his mother Agnes Jordon, Ephraim Steele, merchant, and Gersham Craft of Trenton, NJ. The Biographical Annals has a great deal on this line of Steele's, Ninian among them. There is about 6 pages worth of info on them Donna __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

One problem on relying on wills for complete lists of children are people have problems within the family and are disinherited or completely written off and never mentioned again. Do you have another type of documentation supporting that William was not one of Samuel's children? Or does someone else have other documentation supporting that he is Samuel's child? That one falls in a grey area Michela Steele --

Hi again, I believe the "fact" that William is listed as Samuel child is because in 1880 (120 years after the death of Samuel and 63 years after the death of William), John Kimble Steele, the Great Grandson of William b.1731 & Elizabeth Magee Steele) writes a letter to Gilbert Cope (who with J. Smith Futhey was writing the history of Chester Co., PA, by the way, generally a wonderful book!). In this letter, (it is at the Chester Co., PA Historical Society in West Chester, PA.), in part: "Friend Gilbert Cope. Your letter of inquiry in regard to Steele family that settled in New London and when and where they came from. I have been trying for years to trace the family back to its first coming to America. The Steeles, came from Ireland and were the so called Scotch Irish there no doubt..." He goes on the say that Wm was a son of Samuel, whose daughter Ruth married Robert Futhey (this is the Samuel in question). Then, "...Samuel Steele had some 7 or 8 children. His son James settled about Andrews Bridge & was a General.." This is incorrect even in Futhey Cope. This James is the son of a William who settled nearby in Lancaster, PA and married Rachel Kerr (Neubacher in his book says that Biographical Annals of Lancaster Co., says this William Steele was probably the youngest son of Ninian Steele (d. 1745)). Back to John Kimble Steele letter, he also says Steelville is named after our William, it is not, it is after this Lancaster family. Then he goes on to say that he got his info from his "Aunt Susanna" - she is in 1880 age 92, I believe she may be entitled to a little confusion. But then he says that: "...my venerable Aunt told me that two of her Grandfathers Brothers came to her Fathers and spent a week, they were Lawyers and were settled at Carlisle, PA. Another went to North Carolina." I only last week put together the fact that a family supposedly went to Cumberland Co., PA, a mother and six sons John, Thomas, William, Joseph, Samuel and Ephraim. They were from Ireland and their father, Samuel Steele (mother was Mary Stevenson Steele) had died. Two sons stayed in Ireland, Ninian a preacher, and James, a farmer with their sister Jinny. Now don't you think there is a high probability that this may be the correct Samuel? But how did our Wm end up in Chester Co.? And what of the other brothers (Ephraim is also easily found in Carlise)? Also I suspect the two Samuels were cousins Samuel from Ireland, perhaps their fathers (Ninian and Samuel??) were brothers. Rev John Steele of Carlisle PA had a son John Jr who was a lawyer. If anyone can shed any more light on this, I for one, would be extremely grateful. Oh John Kimble Steele concludes by saying "I want all the information I can get of that family and its descendents if I start my family tree with Samuel Steele." It looks to me like Futhey & Cope ran with the info from John Kimble Steele, altho they may well have had other sources, but I have found none and they don't state any and after all they were asking John Kimble Steele for an input. I hope I have not just confused everyone! Thanks for responding. Shirley Steele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michela" <michs@onr.com> To: <STEELE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: [STEELE-L] Re: William Steele > One problem on relying on wills for complete lists of children are > people have problems within the family and are disinherited or > completely written off and never mentioned again. Do you have another > type of documentation supporting that William was not one of Samuel's > children? Or does someone else have other documentation supporting that > he is Samuel's child? That one falls in a grey area > Michela Steele > -- > > > ==== STEELE Mailing List ==== > GenConnect ~ Bible records, have one? Post it at ~ > http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/s/t/STEELE/bible_records > List Manager's address STEELE-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Maybe I am only adding to the confusion, since I don't even know my John Steele's (bef.1760-1823) ancestry or origins, much less anybody else's. But here is some of the info I've received on Ninian[s]. I kind of watch the name since it shows up close to where my other known folks were in PA & NC, and where they, and my John, ended up in KY. Since I've never seen the sources, I cannot speak to the authenticity, and since I'm new to the list I don't know if this has been discussed before. I hope something helps someone. As I said, it helps me to be able to eliminate "possibles" for my John Steele. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn Weiss <buckeye@thegrid.net> To: PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:32 PM Subject: Re: New to list >Hi, folks, >I've been "here" for a couple of weeks. Several of the folks in my files >were in Old Chester for awhile before moving on. I am following the >families of Squire & Sarah Morgan Boone and Morgan & Martha Strode >Bryan. (Squire & Sarah's daughter m. Morgan & Martha's son) Many of >the names I've noticed on the list are familiar, and are affiliated to >those families through church, marriage or later migration. (Ellis, >Hughes, Foulke & others) I do have some information about some of these >associated families as they moved on to Va & NC & KY that I'd be happy >to share. > >I am also searching for a brick wall family: the family of John Steele >& Eleanor Unknown. They had moved to northern Kentucky by the late >1790's / early 1800, and it's been suggested to me that I look here for >them - their "origins". John & Eleanor's oldest child was Mary, b. >1777, which indicates a birth year for John before 1760. John died in >1823, in Kentucky. John & Eleanor's only son was Robert A. > >John & Eleanor's children gave several of their children a middle name >of Ross, so of course I wonder if that was Eleanor's maiden name. >I wish he had a more unique name; there were a lot of John Steele's in >the colonies, and we've eliminated many of them. All I really know >about John is that he educated his daughters extremely well, and that >several of us "cousins" keep banging our heads against this brick, with >few results. Any clues or suggestions welcome! > >Kathryn Weiss >California Subject: Steeles Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:50:50 -0400 <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> There was a fairly large family of Steels in Chester, descendants of Ninian Steele, who came from the north of Ireland and settled in New London twp. He died in 1745, leaving several children, but none that I can find named John. I did find an "unattatched" John in another Steele family, the son of Gen. James Steele. The Gen's. son, James, was a member of the legislature, and resident of Fallowfield, and served in the War of 1812..... a son John is also mentioned, but nothing more than a name. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 STEELE, JAMES. West Fallowfield. September 25, 1807. John Reed, Administrator. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 STEELE, ISABELLA. West Fallowfield. April 2, 1814. Elizabeth Steele, administrator. this is all I could find in Chester Co, but will include the next ones, as you are unsure where John actually came from; Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 Cumberland co STEELE, JOHN, senr., minister, Carlisle. May 24, 1779/12 February 1780. Son John and his children. Dau. Lydia's children by Robert Sample. Dau. Margaret and her children. Elizabeth McKinley and her children. Dau. Jean. Mary and Sarah. Robert and Andrew Steel McClean, a minor, under the care of dau. Jean. "Money entrusted by Mr. McAllister to Samuel Laird and me, for use of the poor." Exs.: John Agnew, Saml. Laird, John Creigh and Ephraim Steel. Wit: William Thompson, Isaac Clark, Adam Scott. Codicil June 28, 1779. Son Andrew of age in six years, plantation at Bedford. Wit: Isaac Clark, John Holmes, John Montgomery, Robert Miller, Willm. Moore. D. 5-7. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 Cuumberland co STEELE, JOHN, Captain in the 3rd Reg. of Infantry, in the service of the United State of America. September 26, 1800. January 15, 1801. Mother Agness Jordan. Nephew John Steele, minor son of William Steele of Carlisle. Exs.: Mother Agness Jordan and Ephraim Steele, merchant of Carlisle. Wit.: B. Genet, A. Marschalk. Codicil November 6, 1800. Bros. William and Joseph Steele. Cousin William Steele. Wit.: Edward Magauran, Ja. Duncan. F. 207-208. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 Lancaster co April 17, 1756 June 12, 1756 STEELE, JAMES Wife. Elizabeth Steele. Children: Thomas, Elizabeth and John. Ex. Thomas and John Steele. Little Brittain Twp. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 Lamcaster co October 19, 1797 June 17, 1798 BAILEY, ROBERT Wife. Margaret Bailey. Children: Francis, Jacob, Lydia wife of James Tompson, Elizabeth wife of William Steele, Abigail wife of John Steele and Jennet wife of James Sterrett. Grandchildren: Margaret, Rachel, Almira, Elizabeth and Harriet (children of Jacob). Ex. Francis Bailey and James Tompson. Sadsbury Twp. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 Phhiladelphia co STEELE, REBECCA. Phila. Widow of James. June 21, 1783. January 7, 1784. Children: Elizabeth (wife of James Wallace), Henry and James. Grandchildren: James, Hannah and John Steele (children of Henry); Rebecca, Robert, Elizabeth, John, William and Mary (children of James). Exec. and Trustee: daughter in law Mary Bartram (wife of Isaac). Negro: Sisley. Witnesses: Peter Thomson, Sr. and, Jr. and Geo. Goodman. Codicil. 11 mo. 26, 1783. Witnesses: Isaac Bartram and Rebecca Wallace. (Q:475) ======================== Sandra Ferguson wrote: > > There was a fairly large family of Steels in Chester, descendants of Ninian Steele, who came from the north of Ireland and settled in New London twp. He died in 1745, leaving several children, but none that I can find named John. I did find an "unattatched" John in another Steele family, the son of Gen. James Steele. The Gen's. son, James, was a member of the legislature, and resident of Fallowfield, and served in the War of 1812..... a son John is also mentioned, but nothing more than a name. From: Kathryn Weiss <buckeye@thegrid.net> To: Sandra Ferguson PA-Old-Chester-L Interesting. There is a Ninian Steele and a Robert Steele (and Luke Hamilton), on the Rowan County Tax List, now Iredell Co. area, taxables in the Fort Dobbs NC area for the year 1772, on the same tax list as the Carrickfergus Dobbins who were in Lancaster & Chester by 1740, and Rowan co by 1750. Are Ninian & Robert the same families? There may be other Chester names on this tax list - I don't know the Chester names well. But, I've been keeping an eye out for info on this Robert Steele. I'll see if I can find anything about Gen. James' son John - he may be the John Steele who ended up high in govt service, Mississippi, I think, childless. From: "Sandra Ferguson" -PA-Old-Chester-L To: "Kathryn Weiss" <buckeye@thegrid.net> Ninian had 4 sons - Robert, Samuel, Ninian and William. Samuel died in 1760, leaving 11 children, the sons - Robert, Samuel, Francis, Joseph, James, William and Ninian. the descendants of James moved to Western VA. Wm. son of Samuel had 1 son, John but he lived in Chester. "A branch of Ninian Steels, about the period of the Revolution, went to North Carolina,, and settled in the neighborhood of Charlotte "...this , from the History Of Chester Co. ============================================

Have you ever run across the name "Andrew" Steele with your ancestors? We have an Andrew Steele, born possibly about 1750, who married Martha Buchanan, daughter of Archibald Buchanan and Agnes (Bowen) McFerrin-Buchanan. He died by 1830 in White County, TN. He was in Tennessee before 1787 with Archibald's family. Archibald Buchanan's family came from Augusta County, Virginia. We've not been able to prove Andrew's parentage, but his oldest son was Samuel Steele, born 1780 or 1782. Will ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Faye Belt <Fbbelt@aol.com> Reply-To: STEELE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 14:22:35 -0600 >Posted on: STEELE Queries >Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/surnames/s/t/STEELE/queries/10207 > >Surname: Steele, Futhey, Chambers >------------------------- > >I have a Samuel Steele born about 1696 in Anthrim, Ireland. >He was married to Anne Futhey. Samuel died 4-23-1760 at >Thunder Hill, New London Twp., Chester Co., Pa. >Their son, Robert Steele born about 1727 in New London/ > ...died Aug. 12, 1781 or 1782 in Statesille, N.C. at the >4th Creek Cemetery. He was married to Jane Chambers in >about 1762 in Rowan, N.C. > >Samuel and Anne had 11 children: >Robert >Ruth...bn. 1729 in Chester, Pa. >Jane...bn. 1731 in New London, Pa. >William...bn. 1731 in Chester Co., Pa >Samuel Jr...1733 bn. 1733 in New London >(married to Agnes McMahon 1756) >Frances...bn. 1735 in New London >Joseph....bn. 1736 in New London >James.....bn. 1737 in New London >Ninian....bn. 1738 in New London >Ann.......bn. 1744 in New London >Elizabeth.bn. 1746 in New London > > > >==== STEELE Mailing List ==== >GenConnect ~ Obituaries, have one? Post it at ~ >http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/s/t/STEELE/obituaries >List Manager's address STEELE-admin@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Hi Willie, The Steeles of Augusta Co. are very well known and documented. -- The father of Andrew is most probably Samuel Steele born 1709. The Steeles used the same names over and over -- Samuel in particular. There are others on the list that know a lot more about these people than I do. Ernest -----Original Message----- From: Willie Smith <wsmith@lcs.net> To: STEELE-L@rootsweb.com <STEELE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [STEELE-L] Steele Family >Have you ever run across the name "Andrew" Steele with your ancestors? We have an Andrew Steele, born possibly about 1750, who married Martha Buchanan, daughter of Archibald Buchanan and Agnes (Bowen) McFerrin-Buchanan. He died by 1830 in White County, TN. He was in Tennessee before 1787 with Archibald's family. Archibald Buchanan's family came from Augusta County, Virginia. >We've not been able to prove Andrew's parentage, but his oldest son was Samuel Steele, born 1780 or 1782. >Will > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Faye Belt <Fbbelt@aol.com> >Reply-To: STEELE-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 14:22:35 -0600 > >>Posted on: STEELE Queries >>Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/surnames/s/t/STEELE/queries/10207 >> >>Surname: Steele, Futhey, Chambers >>------------------------- >> >>I have a Samuel Steele born about 1696 in Anthrim, Ireland. >>He was married to Anne Futhey. Samuel died 4-23-1760 at >>Thunder Hill, New London Twp., Chester Co., Pa. >>Their son, Robert Steele born about 1727 in New London/ >> ...died Aug. 12, 1781 or 1782 in Statesille, N.C. at the >>4th Creek Cemetery. He was married to Jane Chambers in >>about 1762 in Rowan, N.C. >> >>Samuel and Anne had 11 children: >>Robert >>Ruth...bn. 1729 in Chester, Pa. >>Jane...bn. 1731 in New London, Pa. >>William...bn. 1731 in Chester Co., Pa >>Samuel Jr...1733 bn. 1733 in New London >>(married to Agnes McMahon 1756) >>Frances...bn. 1735 in New London >>Joseph....bn. 1736 in New London >>James.....bn. 1737 in New London >>Ninian....bn. 1738 in New London >>Ann.......bn. 1744 in New London >>Elizabeth.bn. 1746 in New London >> >> >> >>==== STEELE Mailing List ==== >>GenConnect ~ Obituaries, have one? Post it at ~ >>http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/s/t/STEELE/obituaries >>List Manager's address STEELE-admin@rootsweb.com >> >>============================== >>Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >>Source for Family History Online. Go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >> >> > > >==== STEELE Mailing List ==== >GenConnect ~ Obituaries, have one? Post it at ~ >http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/s/t/STEELE/obituaries >List Manager's address STEELE-admin@rootsweb.com > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Hi Faye Belt, Samuel does not have a son William b. 1731. I know that most references say he does have a son William, but he does not. His will very clearly lists all of the other children, but no william. I am a descendent of that William and at this point it is still unclear who his parents are. Recently I have forund some indication that he may be a brother of Rev John Steele of Carlisle, PA. That family and the ancestors of your Samuel Steele may be related a couple of generations back in Ireland. Names are very similar, ie William, John, Samuel and even Ninian. More research is clearly needed. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faye Belt" <Fbbelt@aol.com> To: <STEELE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: [STEELE-L] Steele Family > Posted on: STEELE Queries > Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/surnames/s/t/STEELE/queries/10207 > > Surname: Steele, Futhey, Chambers > ------------------------- > > I have a Samuel Steele born about 1696 in Anthrim, Ireland. > He was married to Anne Futhey. Samuel died 4-23-1760 at > Thunder Hill, New London Twp., Chester Co., Pa. > Their son, Robert Steele born about 1727 in New London/ > ...died Aug. 12, 1781 or 1782 in Statesille, N.C. at the > 4th Creek Cemetery. He was married to Jane Chambers in > about 1762 in Rowan, N.C. > > Samuel and Anne had 11 children: > Robert > Ruth...bn. 1729 in Chester, Pa. > Jane...bn. 1731 in New London, Pa. > William...bn. 1731 in Chester Co., Pa > Samuel Jr...1733 bn. 1733 in New London > (married to Agnes McMahon 1756) > Frances...bn. 1735 in New London > Joseph....bn. 1736 in New London > James.....bn. 1737 in New London > Ninian....bn. 1738 in New London > Ann.......bn. 1744 in New London > Elizabeth.bn. 1746 in New London > > > > ==== STEELE Mailing List ==== > GenConnect ~ Obituaries, have one? Post it at ~ > http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/s/t/STEELE/obituaries > List Manager's address STEELE-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >