Ummm -- either it is OK for all or it is not OK for all. Otherwise, everyone will slap a "Friends of XXGW" logo on their pages so they will be "grandfathered in" should circumstances make it necessary later on. --- George Waller <George@Waller.Org> wrote: > Gail, > Thank you for writing this note, as it allows me to > introduce some > "new" information into the mix. Despite the "new" > information, I > would like to continue with the straw vote on > IAGenWeb just so we > can get a feeling for where we stand right now. > > Before the "new" information, I would like to > respond to some things > you say below. What good is the vote going to do? > First it will let us > know how we feel about this. It wouldn't surprise > me to find that the > majority don't care enough to respond. But, just > suppose that a large > majority feels that what IAGenWeb is doing is not in > the best interest > of the USGWP? In that case, I would recommend that > the bylaws be > revised so that soliciting funds is clearly not > allowed. In Iowa's case, > think GRANDFATHER (or GRANDPARENT). Iowa is a > wonderful part > of USGenWeb and we should all be very careful to > show our respect > even if some of us might disagree with Iowa's > activities. > > This brings us to the "new" information. A few > minutes ago a friend > wrote me reminding me that TNGenWeb has been doing > about the > same (if not exactly the same) as what IAGenWeb is > doing. And, I am > a CC in TNGenWeb so why am I picking on Iowa? I > suppose the > answer to TNGenWeb is that they would be > grandfathered too. I do > not feel I am picking on Iowa, I have stated on > several lists that Iowa > is doing things the right way. My opinion, however, > is that Iowa is > doing the wrong thing (if that makes sense). > > My dim recollection is that KSGenWeb incorporated > years ago but I > don't know if they are soliciting money. And, I > heard a tiny rumor that > some CC in CA is soliciting money. > > In any case, I think it would be useful to proceed > with this straw vote > just so we can get a sense of how we all feel about > mixing money into > our organization. > > Respectfully, George > > On 24 Aug 2003 at 18:14, Gail Meyer Kilgore wrote: > > > I don't know who has the authority to call a vote, > but I doubt if it > > is an SC who really has no knowledge of what is > going on. So, what > > good is your vote going to do? IAGenWeb has done > nothing wrong. You > > are asking for a vote against an organization that > has nothing to do > > with IAGenWeb but supporting its server. You > can't vote The Friends > > of Iowa out, they don't belong to anything you can > vote on. IAGenWeb > > has done no wrong, they have not violated any > by-laws. When The > > Friends of Iowa was formed the attorney went over > the USGenWeb By-Laws > > with a fine tooth comb so as not to violate > standing by-laws. If you > > change the by-laws, why? IAGenWeb is not > accepting donations. > > > > Gail Meyer Kilgore > > Iowa State Coordinator > > IAGenWeb: http://iagenweb.org > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release > Date: 08/19/2003 > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Greetings y'all, Have been inundated with about a thousun attempts per day to infect me with one of them virus thangs and with my advanced age have not egzactly follered y'all in this discuss'n. So bear with me. If'n I got this strate, har is whut's goin' on: One of them Georgia boys started this mess by not acting like the surthern gentlman his mama brot him up to be. Maybe jus cuz that Isaiah feller is a yankee...dunno. Ain't no excuse. Sumin bout the Isaih feller wantin som money to pay for hiz server that sum folks don't like but didn't brake no laws. Then, a lady tried to calm folks down and wuzn't treated like no lady for her efforts. The Georgia boy commenced to talk about everything under the sun regardin his affliction, the govment, and how everybody was wrong. One of them other yankees decided to have a kangaroo court and call for a vote (Rebels love it when yankees fit mongst theirselves) Now to get serious (If that is possible with me), I took a quick look at all of our state pages and found that only twelve do not have RootsWeb Addy's. Two are RootsWeb Redirects. Of the remaining ten state pages it is not exactly clear if they truly acknowledge that they are a "chapter" of the USGenWeb Project. Maybe two or three are incorporated as "xxGenWeb". Kansas is the "KSGenWeb Internet Genealogy Society". Don't think its any of my business, but for the states not hosted by RootsWeb, who is paying for their servers? So, should we beat up on Iowa for having a sponsor other than RootsWeb(Who always solicited contributions before they were bought by a "commercial interest")? My personal opinion is that the Iowa solicitation should be a bit more subtle. But since it doesn't break the USGenWeb bylaws and there are several other questionable state page hosting arrangemets, is there sufficient need for us to conduct a non-binding censure vote? Why can't we just state our opinions civily and responsibly? My hope is that Iowa, and any other States, will take a hard look at what we present to the public so that we keep our focus on providing free help to folks looking for their family history. Regards, Paul Buckley, North Carolina ASC

I agree with Joy. I say none of it is okay and let's resolve the issue. Richard ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Joy Fisher <sdgenweb@yahoo.com> To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Vote > Ummm -- either it is OK for all or it is not OK for > all. > > Otherwise, everyone will slap a "Friends of XXGW" logo > on their pages so they will be "grandfathered in" > should circumstances make it necessary later on. > > --- George Waller <George@Waller.Org> wrote: > > Gail, > > Thank you for writing this note, as it allows me to > > introduce some > > "new" information into the mix. Despite the "new" > > information, I > > would like to continue with the straw vote on > > IAGenWeb just so we > > can get a feeling for where we stand right now. > > > > Before the "new" information, I would like to > > respond to some things > > you say below. What good is the vote going to do? > > First it will let us > > know how we feel about this. It wouldn't surprise > > me to find that the > > majority don't care enough to respond. But, just > > suppose that a large > > majority feels that what IAGenWeb is doing is not in > > the best interest > > of the USGWP? In that case, I would recommend that > > the bylaws be > > revised so that soliciting funds is clearly not > > allowed. In Iowa's case, > > think GRANDFATHER (or GRANDPARENT). Iowa is a > > wonderful part > > of USGenWeb and we should all be very careful to > > show our respect > > even if some of us might disagree with Iowa's > > activities. > > > > This brings us to the "new" information. A few > > minutes ago a friend > > wrote me reminding me that TNGenWeb has been doing > > about the > > same (if not exactly the same) as what IAGenWeb is > > doing. And, I am > > a CC in TNGenWeb so why am I picking on Iowa? I > > suppose the > > answer to TNGenWeb is that they would be > > grandfathered too. I do > > not feel I am picking on Iowa, I have stated on > > several lists that Iowa > > is doing things the right way. My opinion, however, > > is that Iowa is > > doing the wrong thing (if that makes sense). > > > > My dim recollection is that KSGenWeb incorporated > > years ago but I > > don't know if they are soliciting money. And, I > > heard a tiny rumor that > > some CC in CA is soliciting money. > > > > In any case, I think it would be useful to proceed > > with this straw vote > > just so we can get a sense of how we all feel about > > mixing money into > > our organization. > > > > Respectfully, George > > > > On 24 Aug 2003 at 18:14, Gail Meyer Kilgore wrote: > > > > > I don't know who has the authority to call a vote, > > but I doubt if it > > > is an SC who really has no knowledge of what is > > going on. So, what > > > good is your vote going to do? IAGenWeb has done > > nothing wrong. You > > > are asking for a vote against an organization that > > has nothing to do > > > with IAGenWeb but supporting its server. You > > can't vote The Friends > > > of Iowa out, they don't belong to anything you can > > vote on. IAGenWeb > > > has done no wrong, they have not violated any > > by-laws. When The > > > Friends of Iowa was formed the attorney went over > > the USGenWeb By-Laws > > > with a fine tooth comb so as not to violate > > standing by-laws. If you > > > change the by-laws, why? IAGenWeb is not > > accepting donations. > > > > > > Gail Meyer Kilgore > > > Iowa State Coordinator > > > IAGenWeb: http://iagenweb.org > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release > > Date: 08/19/2003 > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------- End of Original Message -------