At 10:22 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >To further what Jan said, I also wonder who gets paid what amounts for >research and data online? How much of the money collected by Friends of >IAGenWeb actually makes it to the CC's to help offset these costs? Is it >based on need? Is it based on the volume of data? Is it based on some >identified criterion? Is a request made? Is there accountability for these >monies? Is this information made available? > >Lots of questions here. Are there any answers? > >Richard Pettys, Jr. The funds collected by the Friends have gone to pay for server space, for the script to run our queries program, for the costs of incorporation and obtaining non-profit status. Some projected budgets are posted at http://www.usgenweb.com/volunteers/authorno.html No monies are provided to individual CCs. All people who donate to Friends of IAGenWeb are considered "members" of Friends of IAGenWeb and are provided with complete financial information. -Isaiah

At 07:54 PM 8/18/2003 -0700, Isaiah Harrison wrote: >At 10:22 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>To further what Jan said, I also wonder who gets paid what amounts for >>research and data online? How much of the money collected by Friends of >>IAGenWeb actually makes it to the CC's to help offset these costs? Is it >>based on need? Is it based on the volume of data? Is it based on some >>identified criterion? Is a request made? Is there accountability for these >>monies? Is this information made available? >> >>Lots of questions here. Are there any answers? >> >>Richard Pettys, Jr. Sorry about that--the danger of having too many pages open at once. This link should get you there. http://iagenweb.org/state/friends_of_iagenweb/budget.htm

Thank you for the link. I note that Friends of IAGenWeb is hosted on the IAGenWeb.org servers. Where they do not have their own domain, how can you call them separate and distinct? I personally see this is a serious issue and a problem. I see it is a breach of our by-laws and I see it as being against the core purpose of our existence as an organization. Richard Pettys. ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Isaiah Harrison <IsaiahH@cox.net> To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:32:53 -0700 Subject: Re: RE: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? > At 07:54 PM 8/18/2003 -0700, Isaiah Harrison wrote: > >At 10:22 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >>To further what Jan said, I also wonder who gets paid what amounts for > >>research and data online? How much of the money collected by Friends of > >>IAGenWeb actually makes it to the CC's to help offset these costs? Is it > >>based on need? Is it based on the volume of data? Is it based on some > >>identified criterion? Is a request made? Is there accountability for these > >>monies? Is this information made available? > >> > >>Lots of questions here. Are there any answers? > >> > >>Richard Pettys, Jr. > > Sorry about that--the danger of having too many pages open at once. > This link should get you there. http://iagenweb.org/state/friends_of_iagenweb/budget.htm ------- End of Original Message -------

Richard, The link that you sent actually goes to the USGWP "non-permission" page. With all due respect, and knowing that what goes on in Iowa is not really my affair, I would like to see these proposed budgets, since you offered to show them. Of course, and the budgets won't change my mind on this, I have concerns with this, as have been expressed by others. My main concern is that we advertise USGWP and its member state porjects as being "free", and yet, Iowa is, through a "separate and distinct entity" seeking to solicit funds to pay for server space, offset microfiche rental fees, copy costs and things of that nature. However, and this is the most interesting part, no monies go to the individual CC's who are doing the transcription. To whom does this money go? I think that really flies in the face of the USGWP. I think it is the exact opposite of our stated purpose. I have serious problems with this, and am concerned that we may soon see a Friends of the USGWP wherein we are all forced to place a donation center on our pages. And then we are only marginally better than the societies who try to control the data for their own use and benefit. Richard Pettys Second ASC - GAGenWeb ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Isaiah Harrison <IsaiahH@cox.net> To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:54:26 -0700 Subject: Re: RE: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? > At 10:22 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >To further what Jan said, I also wonder who gets paid what amounts for > >research and data online? How much of the money collected by Friends of > >IAGenWeb actually makes it to the CC's to help offset these costs? Is it > >based on need? Is it based on the volume of data? Is it based on some > >identified criterion? Is a request made? Is there accountability for these > >monies? Is this information made available? > > > >Lots of questions here. Are there any answers? > > > >Richard Pettys, Jr. > > The funds collected by the Friends have gone to pay for server space, > for the script to run our queries program, for the costs of > incorporation and obtaining non-profit status. Some projected > budgets are posted at http://www.usgenweb.com/volunteers/authorno.html > > No monies are provided to individual CCs. > > All people who donate to Friends of IAGenWeb are considered > "members" of Friends of IAGenWeb and are provided with complete > financial information. > > -Isaiah ------- End of Original Message -------

See how the story balloons.... offset microfiche rental fees, copy costs and things of that nature...... no one in IA said any money brought in by the Friends of Iowa was for any other nature than to pay for the server costs and any other expenditures that the server/program may need. There has NEVER been anything else mentioned except the server which we just had to move to another server because we needed more space and the move will save us $$ in the long run. Down the road we would like to buy our own server for the use of IAGenWeb but that is not visible right now. Our main goal is getting our 501-C status and this is a virtual first. There are attorney fees for the Incorporation and filing of the 501-C status. If you look at the books you should be able to see that the expenses that The Friends of Iowa have versa the amount of donations from it's members far exceeds what has been donated. You should also see that there is a loan there that has not been paid. These remarks of members stuffing their pockets is so outrageous that I am ROTFL at anyone who knows anything about a 501-C status knows where the donated money goes and it is not into the pockets of the members. The Friends of Iowa are volunteers, just like the CC's of the states. As a member of the Friends of Iowa and also an officer, the last thing that ever crossed my mind was my pocket, I am worried more where the next $$ is coming from to pay for the server. I guess there are people out there that do worry about their pocket and maybe that is why they have more than I do but I know that what I am doing is helping a lot of researchers find their lines by GIVING of my time and money for a cause that I support, my money $50.00, a donation to laugh at. Any of the other costs that you mentioned are still being paid for by the CC's in the IAGenWeb and their volunteers just like in another state. The Friends of Iowa is only the server which is the home to the IAGenWeb. Gail Meyer Kilgore Iowa State Coordinator IAGenWeb: http://iagenweb.org ----- Original Message ----- From: mannannan To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: RE: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? Richard, The link that you sent actually goes to the USGWP "non-permission" page. With all due respect, and knowing that what goes on in Iowa is not really my affair, I would like to see these proposed budgets, since you offered to show them. Of course, and the budgets won't change my mind on this, I have concerns with this, as have been expressed by others. My main concern is that we advertise USGWP and its member state porjects as being "free", and yet, Iowa is, through a "separate and distinct entity" seeking to solicit funds to pay for server space, offset microfiche rental fees, copy costs and things of that nature. However, and this is the most interesting part, no monies go to the individual CC's who are doing the transcription. To whom does this money go? I think that really flies in the face of the USGWP. I think it is the exact opposite of our stated purpose. I have serious problems with this, and am concerned that we may soon see a Friends of the USGWP wherein we are all forced to place a donation center on our pages. And then we are only marginally better than the societies who try to control the data for their own use and benefit. Richard Pettys Second ASC - GAGenWeb ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Isaiah Harrison <IsaiahH@cox.net> To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:54:26 -0700 Subject: Re: RE: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? > At 10:22 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >To further what Jan said, I also wonder who gets paid what amounts for > >research and data online? How much of the money collected by Friends of > >IAGenWeb actually makes it to the CC's to help offset these costs? Is it > >based on need? Is it based on the volume of data? Is it based on some > >identified criterion? Is a request made? Is there accountability for these > >monies? Is this information made available? > > > >Lots of questions here. Are there any answers? > > > >Richard Pettys, Jr. > > The funds collected by the Friends have gone to pay for server space, > for the script to run our queries program, for the costs of > incorporation and obtaining non-profit status. Some projected > budgets are posted at http://www.usgenweb.com/volunteers/authorno.html > > No monies are provided to individual CCs. > > All people who donate to Friends of IAGenWeb are considered > "members" of Friends of IAGenWeb and are provided with complete > financial information. > > -Isaiah ------- End of Original Message ------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 07/24/2003