I guess I would like to ask, how many more lists are you going to infiltrate, Mr. Howland, with your false statements? I cannot give you the full picture of what the discussion has been on the Discuss mail list but I will tell you that there will be a statement forthcoming. Also, Mr. Howland, Don Kelly is not the SC for Iowa, I am. Gail Meyer Kilgore ----- Original Message ----- From: George Waller To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? While the tone of the questions below is a little strident, I too would like to express my concerns about getting USGenWeb involved in money-making. We have established ourself as an outfit with a sparkling image and it is important for us to keep it that way. Trying to do so and become a money making venture will be very difficult if not impossible. The bylaws permit soliciting money and I don''t consider it unethical to do so. However I do find it pragmatically a mistake because once States and Counties start to collect money, it will be a nightmare to "keep clean." Iowa is doing a great job at keeping it clean, but we cannot expect that everyone will be so good at it. Reminds me of the "Sorceror's Apprentice." :-) Oh another worry... once money is solicited and flows in, there will be IMO a natural urge to hire salaried people to keep track of the money and to raise more. I do consider this an important topic for the SC list, and imagine that some SC/ASC's have no clue what this discussion is about. What will we do the first time some researcher writes to complain about how a CC "ripped them off financially???" By the way, I have no political grudge against anyone on this matter. Respectfully, George (SC for MA and CT) On 17 Aug 2003 at 16:37, ILGenWeb State Coordinator wrote: > > Since money has been brought in to the open, I have a few questions I > need answered. > > Just how much money are we allowed to make? > > Is it ok to solicit funds on the county sites also? > > Is it ok for CC's to solicit for their county site? > > May we solicit from several different links? > > Just how many is too many links? > > Just how pornography is too pornography? > > If there are no pictures, just dirty words is that ok? > > Is RootsWeb going to be ok with our new found money making scams? > > What do you think would be a fair share to offer our servers? > > Do you think we should offer anyone else a share? > > Maybe we could sell stock? > > You know with our couple of million hits we should be able to really > make some money? > > You know this could be a really big business? Now if we can just keep > the government from wanting a share? Richard. > > > > > > Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator > Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319 > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 07/24/2003

My apologize to both of you for making that mistake. I was going by your http://iagenweb.org/state/friends_of_iagenweb/501c3.htm . So are you also the president of "Friend of IAGenWeb"? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" no longer claiming to be part of USGenWeb? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" no longer claiming to be a special project of IAGenWeb? Are the Logos on http://iagenweb.org/state/friends.htm no longer USGenWeb and IAGenWeb logo's? Or is it that there is a ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS Section 2. in the bylaws? Those are my statements. Which are false? Richard... As to how many more list. What you don't want the rest of states to get their fair share? Richard... Gail Meyer Kilgore wrote: > I guess I would like to ask, how many more lists are you going to infiltrate, Mr. Howland, with your false statements? I cannot give you the full picture of what the discussion has been on the Discuss mail list but I will tell you that there will be a statement forthcoming. > > Also, Mr. Howland, Don Kelly is not the SC for Iowa, I am. > > Gail Meyer Kilgore Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319

Richard, I am not sure you would really like to hear my thoughts. Since I am a SC and a lady, I will hold my thoughts, my temper, until I can give you the right and legal information. You can go out and shout it to the whole darn world for all I care, all I am seeing is a deep vengeance or grudge that you have for someone, whether it be me or whoever, I can take your crap and I can pass your crap right back as fast as you want to throw it my direction but before I pass it back your direction, I will have my facts straight and that is more than what you are passing right now. What you are passing is pure crap! And, I am getting ready to pass it back. But, I would like to take the rest of the day to mourn a member of my family who passed away on Friday. Can you at least give me that much decent courtesy as I can't make it back to IL for the funeral? And, right now I would like to be left alone with my thoughts. If you want a shouting match, I can give you that too, but I don't think this is the place to do it. If you want to start a name calling scenario, I can chime in there too but when that happens, I also suggest that it not be on this or any mail list. But, whatever, I am still proud to say that I was born in Illinois and Illinois will always be my home. And, I am also proud to say that a lot of my family left Illinois and moved to Iowa. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? My apologize to both of you for making that mistake. I was going by your http://iagenweb.org/state/friends_of_iagenweb/501c3.htm . So are you also the president of "Friend of IAGenWeb"? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" no longer claiming to be part of USGenWeb? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" no longer claiming to be a special project of IAGenWeb? Are the Logos on http://iagenweb.org/state/friends.htm no longer USGenWeb and IAGenWeb logo's? Or is it that there is a ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS Section 2. in the bylaws? Those are my statements. Which are false? Richard... As to how many more list. What you don't want the rest of states to get their fair share? Richard... Gail Meyer Kilgore wrote: > I guess I would like to ask, how many more lists are you going to infiltrate, Mr. Howland, with your false statements? I cannot give you the full picture of what the discussion has been on the Discuss mail list but I will tell you that there will be a statement forthcoming. > > Also, Mr. Howland, Don Kelly is not the SC for Iowa, I am. > > Gail Meyer Kilgore Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 07/24/2003

At 08:25 PM 8/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Richard, I am not sure you would really like to hear my thoughts. Since I >am a SC and a lady, I will hold my thoughts, my temper, until I can give >you the right and legal information. You can go out and shout it to the >whole darn world for all I care, all I am seeing is a deep vengeance or >grudge that you have for someone, whether it be me or whoever, I can take >your crap and I can pass your crap right back as fast as you want to throw >it my direction but before I pass it back your direction, I will have my >facts straight and that is more than what you are passing right now. What >you are passing is pure crap! And, I am getting ready to pass it >back. But, I would like to take the rest of the day to mourn a member of >my family who passed away on Friday. Can you at least give me that much >decent courtesy as I can't make it back to IL for the funeral? And, right >now I would like to be left alone with my thoughts. > >If you want a shouting match, I can give you that too, but I don't think >this is the place to do it. If you want to start a name calling scenario, >I can chime in there too but when that happens, I also suggest that it not >be on this or any mail list. > >But, whatever, I am still proud to say that I was born in Illinois and >Illinois will always be my home. And, I am also proud to say that a lot >of my family left Illinois and moved to Iowa. > >Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please > answer a few? > > > My apologize to both of you for making that mistake. I was going by > your http://iagenweb.org/state/friends_of_iagenweb/501c3.htm . So are > you also the president of "Friend of IAGenWeb"? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" > no longer claiming to be part of USGenWeb? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" no > longer claiming to be a special project of IAGenWeb? Are the Logos on > http://iagenweb.org/state/friends.htm no longer USGenWeb and IAGenWeb > logo's? Or is it that there is a ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR > WEBSITES/MEMBERS Section 2. in the bylaws? Those are my statements. > Which are false? Richard... Gail- Please tone it down. I know it's difficult under the circumstances, but you must. Under the circumstances, I can't let you, of all people--get away with the slightest violation of the rules. There is no name-calling on this list--even is someone else calls you a name first--and if you use the word "crap" again, I'll moderate you. Remember, you're never going to convince Richard Howland of anything. What's important is the impression you can make on the other list members regarding the soundness of your ideas. -Richard